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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A36729	Reflections on the Council of Trent in three discourses / by H.C. de Luzancy.	De Luzancy, H. C. (Hippolyte du Chastelet), d. 1713.	1679 (1679)	Wing D2419; ESTC R27310	76,793	222

of the highest concernment Whatever you intend to raise and build upon it cannot be but weak and ruinous and till the Pope be pleased to do us justice in that point we do well to stop our ears to all others XI But should we set aside all these considerations and grant that the Pope could both call and preside in this Council we maintain he ought not to do it How came he to be judg of those whose adversary he was to sentence his own accusers and to rule in a Council demanded with so many tears and obtained after five and twenty years delay only to reform him The heats of Leo the 10 th against Luther are very well known That Pope who had for so many years trampled upon the neck of Europe was almost distracted to see a despicable Frier rebel against him and attack indulgences of which his predecessors had alwaies bin most tender So considerable an adversary gave more credit to Luther than either his own merit or the justice of his cause could have done Nor was he to be accounted an ordinary man that had answered Pope Leo so briskly and stoutly received all the Vatican thunders He made his appeal to a future Council and was the more easily induced to defer till then his condemnation or justification because ●e never imagin'd Pope Leo his public ●nd profess'd Enemy would become his ●udg The German Princes went further and ●fter their accusation brought against ●he Pope for Heresie and Simony they 〈◊〉 appeal'd to a lawful Council T was at least the Popes duty to purge himself of so many accusations and to ●cknowledge according to the rule of the 〈◊〉 Canonists his most famous oracles that ●n such occasions he was depriv'd of all power The Arch-Bishop of Colen having been excommunicated by Paul the Third refused the Pope for his Judg as having bin attainted of Heresie and Idolatry long before and protested that as soon as a free Council should be opened he would appear there to accuse him according to the ancient Canons King Henry the Eighth declared in his Manifesto that the Roman Bishops orders did not concern him at all that the Pope had conceived a deadly hatred against him and that he sought after all occasions to be revenged of him for having shaken off his tyranny and withstood the intolerable contributions exacted of his Kingdoms by that See These different appeals had been made in all requisite terms and were not intended as a pretence to annul the Council but were offer'd before it was commenc'd without ever being recall'd What ever sligh● pretences the Pope had against Luther and the Princes of Germany he had none at all against Henry the Eight and the Arch-Bishop of Colen The one was a Prelate who demanded to be ruled by the Canons the other a great King never suspected of any Heresie one that was honoured with the glorious name of Defender of the Faith and tho we don't pretend to canonize all the actions of that incomparable Monarch it is well known his greatest guilt was the following the examples of his Predecessors in converting to the good of the State those immense riches which the Roman Luxury and idleness was maintained with and taking away those Monasteries whose People were become abominable and scandalous to the Church XII For these very reasons in former ages ●he Catholic Bishops defenders of Atha●asius his person and faith rejected the Council of Tyre because said they Theognis and Eusebius were his judges ●nd that Gods Law Inimicum neque te●em neque judicem esse vult St. Crysostome ●efus'd to appear before Theophilus only ●ecause he stil seem'd guilty of the crimes ●id to his charge and was his enemy ●uod contra omnes Canones leges est And ●his is so equitable that Pope Nicholas ●he First and Celestine the Third ac●nowledged that ipsa ratio dictat ●uia suspecti inimici judices esse non de●cant Cardinal Bellarmine is so embarass'd by the laws which those two Popes con●ess to be of natural equity that he admits of them except when it concerns ●he supream judge I pity that great defender of the Popes for giving so mise●able an answer For if it be true how ●ame it to pass that Pope Vigilius's constitution which he certainly pronounce● ex Cathedra was condemn'd in the Fift● general Council Why does the Sixth a●●so excommunicate Pope Honorius for b●●ing an Heretique Exclamaverunt o●●nes Honorio haeretico anathema And th● Seventh Detestamur Sergium Honorium● c. What means the Eight in forbid●ing Popes ever to be judged but whe● they are Heretiques Why did the● Basilean and Constantian make it an a●●ticle of Faith that the Popes are subje●● to a superior Judg when they becom● Hereticks Schismaticks or scandalous Why were Pope Anastasius John th● Thirteenth and a 100 others depos'd ●o● must needs either condemn this shinin● cloud of witnesses and with them all th● ages of the Church or confess that Pop● Paul the third had no reasons to presid● at Trent XIII T is no new thing to appeal from the Popes judgment Saint Austin writing 〈◊〉 the Donatists and speaking of the sentence given against them at Rome uses these words Let us suppose saies he that the Bishops who judged their cause at Rome had not judged aright there yet remained a Council of the Universal Church wherein your cause with your judges might have been judged again and their sentence annul'd had it been unjust But without looking back to the Primitive times the histories of our age afford us a thousand examples of this kind Nothing is more frequent in the English French and German records Nay the Monks themselves claim'd right to such appeals Luther was not the first who attempted to make use of them and we read in Paul Langius his Chronicles that Cesano a Frier appeal'd from the sentence of Pope Martin the fifth as being Heretical tho in a matter of very little concernment it being only to know to whom belong'd the propriety of the Franciscans's bread XIV But laying aside all these reasons how could the Pope be president in a Council call'd only for his reformation There is none but know that the disorders of the Church had no other Origin then the Court of Rome Nor did Protestants only think so but those also of the Church of Rome And tho both were extreamly opposite in their opinions concerning the remedies for so great a disease yet they all agreed in their apprehensions of its cause Pope Adrian the sixth and the Councellors of Paul the third acknowledg'd it with much sincerity This was the sentiment of Princes as well as Doctors Their publique Ministers did alwaies touch upon that string Pope Marcellus the second did not apprehend how his Predecessors could abhor the very name of reformation And it is like that had God bin pleas'd to

Had not Pope Paul the Third and his Successors aim'd at some other end then the love of Catholic truth why did he oppose the only thing that could render it victorious Is there any president of such a conduct in former Ages Is it not cleer that there is in it some mystery And if so was it to be wondred that Protestants should apply themselves to search into it and prevent its consequences XVIII The choice of a free place where truth should command had bin alwaies a terrour to the Popes As long as the Apostolic See is not rul'd by Adrians and Marcellus's it will never without horrour call to mind the Councils of Constance and Basil Every Country wherein Bishops may say It seems good to the Holy Ghost and to us Act. 15. 28. shall be accounted by the Bishop of Rome a Land of bondage The Pisan Council shall be term'd a Latrociny by the Lateran and most holy decrees shall be lookt upon as so many bold and rash attempts Paul the Third chuses therefore Trent to assemble his Council at This Town indeed was out of the Ecclesiastical state and the Cardinal of Trent commanded therein but as an Author of the Roman communion pleasantly observes the Town was subject to the Cardinal and the Cardinal to the Pope Paul the Third had bin informed by his predecessors example that nothing made so much to the mastering of a Council as the choice of the place He succeeded in it admirably well Trent was not so far from Rome but the Holy Ghost might come thither in a few daies and many legions of Italian Bishops resort thither as it was done at the question of Residence and divine right of Episcopacy when 40 Apulian Bishops set aside for the most pressing occasions came in as fresh supply But he had forgot how Nicholas the First Innocent the Third Clement the Fifth Innocent the Fourth do teach that no man is bound to appear in a place where he has just reasons to fear the multitude XIX The event has shown us that the fears of those Princes were not groundless Their intention was only to obtain a free Council where none should be condemned unheard truth examin'd without prejudice and matters weighed with the greatest care For we must not imagine so many great Kingdoms holy Bishops and learned men sought their own ruine They desired no more then the examination of their doctrine to persevere in it if it should be judged orthodox or to renounce it if it were not so for this reason the favour should be granted them which was never denied to any to wit of being heard An Heathen does so much justice to Pope Liberius as to confess that he chose rather to banish then to condemn Athanasius without hearing his defence But if they were afraid to place us in Athanasius's rank it is certain that Arius Macedonius Paul of Samasate Nestorius Pelagius and the most abominable Heresiarchs have bin heard And the Church alwaies judg'd she could not deny them a thing of natural right XX. Nevertheless the Pope rids himself of all these Inconveniences of the Primitive Church and for fear other Bishops that are present at the Council should speak for them he deprives them of all freedom of proposing any thing Tho they are his venerable Brothers and born Judges of Councils as well as he they have never the more liberty for it All things are done proponentibus legatis and these Legats do propose but what they please When any one touched with a sense of his duty intends to speak he is silenced If he be a French-man or a Spaniard they tell him t is unbecoming the Majesty of a Council to contest But if he be an Italian that is a shadow and a Sceleton of a Bishop he has his ingratitude reproach'd and his Soul terrified by violent threats Ibi est herus tergo metuas There is at Trent but the image of a Council The true one is at Rome Quid à patribus judicandum proponitur aut ab ●is judicatum publicatur quod non prius Romam missum Pio Quarto placuerit The main design is to cheat the People not to establish any real good for the Church The holy Ghost does not shine on the Fathers at Trent but by reflexion and tho he has not promis'd to be in the conclave but in the Council yet he does not come to the one but as sent by the other What can the result be of dealings so contrary to the Spirit of God but to incline men to renounce an assembly where as speaks Mr. Ferriers's Pope Pius the Fourth left no place for the laws no footsteps of the antient Councils no vestige of freedom Vbi nullum legibus locum nullum antiquorum conciliorum nullum liberatatis vestigium Pius Quartus relinquat Nor are the Authors of these last words either Protestants or Heretics Neither is it that famour Venetian whom they call Atheist because he brought out of darkness those artifices the Popes made use of to betray the cause of God but the Legats of the most Christian King Men of admirable integrity and erudition wonderfully addicted to the Church of Rome and public Enemies to those that had separated themselves from it XXI But to be fully perswaded of the violence offer'd the truth and that its vindication was not the scope of their endeavours we need but consider the secret power given to the Popes Legat to transport or to dissolve the Council according to the occurrences Is it not a manifest and evincing argument that the Fathers gather'd at Trent were treated like Children made use of but only for a shew and pretence when an occult and an overuling spirit agitated the whole mass Had the Pope dealt sincerely and without mistrust what need such an anticipated power But if he could not suppress his fears in a place he had bin so much cautious of to be made secure are not the very same fears much more reasonable in such as could there hope for no security The dissolving of Councils is the last shift the Popes betake themselves to Eugenius the Fourth attempted to secure his tottering power at Basil and indeed that Council had vanish'd into smoak but that the Emperour Princes and Bishops forced him to repair thither by threatning to condemn him for a stubborn and obstinate man if he should refuse it Proud Le● the Tenth succeeded more happily and tho Alexander the Fifth testified at his death all things had bin done at the Pisan Council with all imaginable sincerity and integrity yet he declar'd it a meer conventicle XXII Had they intended to render truth manifest and palpable to all Christians why did they take a course for discussing it o● suspicious and unheard of till then What means that so extraordinary distinction of Congregations and Sessions the first to deliberate the other to decide and decree● Had they learnt this from