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A00670	A treatise against the necessary dependance vpon that one head, and the present reconciliation to the Church of Rome Together with certaine sermons preached in publike assemblies, videlicet 1. The want of discipline. 2. The possession of a king. 3. The tumults of the people. 4. The mocke of reputation. 5. The necessitie of the Passion. 6. The wisdome of the rich. By Roger Fenton Doctor of Diuinitie, late preacher of Graies Inne.	Fenton, Roger, 1565-1616.; Utie, Emmanuel, d. 1661.	1617 (1617)	STC 10805; ESTC S102068	104,035	162

as Paradise was for Adam it is too streight a prison for his Godhead Gen. 3. then since Man is become like one of vs let vs turne him into the wide world out of Paradise from Paradise to a fooles Paradise a little Garden a small City will not comprehend his godhead So shall the Bishop of Rome be vniuersall and like to Lucifer in Heauen and Adam in Paradise take vp the Rome of the second person in Trinity because One. Consid 3. Cap 4. But Saint Bernard thought it not lawfull for him to dismember the Churches at his pleasure to confound Order and to breake open the bounds of the Church which his fathers before had made Rom. 13. power he giues him and thinkes it vnlawfull to resist him power he hath a principall power but not a singular power his meaning is he hath an head aboue him vnto which other eminent members of the Church haue a reference as well as he Euery one knowes how the Fathers runne vpon the difference betwixt praesum and prosum betwixt dominion and dispensation betwixt possession and Law and so his Lordship which was prayed for in their Letanies in the time of Pius Quintus by the name of Dominus Apostolicus amongst the rest is by this discouered to be nothing but truely worse then Octanus and Tiberius his predecessors which refused the name of LORD because it was a Title of power but not of Piety So then his Ecce duo Gladij The two swords the one for the Church the other of the Church the one from the mouth of the Priest the other from the hand of the Emperour It is enough it is too much as deuout Bernard speakes And by this time we see the reason why the Pope aboue Rome and Rome aboue all Citties Inter Caput extulit vrbes haue exalted themselues These 5. things considered will cleere it 1 A primacy in regard of the Empire 2 The chiefe men elected Popes excellent Schollers woorthy Martyrs This made the people wing on that side 3 The Emperour translated to the East The Pope getting the vpper hand of his deputy at Rome the Emperor curbing the Bishop of Constantinople the Latine Church grew strong and the Greeke weake 4 The leuity of the Greeke Church giuen to nouelties distracted with heresies suffering of Bishops opposite to their Church euen within their walls was the cause that compelled the better sort of Bishops to appeale to Rome for succour and of the credit of that Sea 5 The Emperour still withdrawing his forces the Cleargy of Rome ouer-ballancing the temporalty Propter imperium gaue aduantage as stirrups for the man of Pride to raise himselfe by the helpe of Phocas and such wicked Pages that lifted him vp into that seate where now hee sits Although all the Fathers that speake of Order and Gregory and Hierome themselues so much runne vppon that worde Aequaliter yet now ambition teares in peeces those brazen steppes where Deuotion before did weare it selfe and we are wearied with the weight of this great head that is vpon vs that neuer yet could bee set vppon the shoulders of Russia and Armenia and other places and now wee may pray with DAVID Lord saue vs from the Horne of the Vnicorne because this head hath made the most precious home of the Church an Instrument of Murther and of diuision rather then Vnion Be it so that will not content them to be Lords ouer vs but our Faith also They will haue an infallibility of Determination That must depend vpon that Chaire and to this we must be reconciled and so we must thinke vnder paine of damnation This Question was canuassed at Cambridge before the King It must determine and therefore necessary One Tribunall necessary to determine matters of Faith Non vnum vniuersum supremum Tribunal saide the King vppon that ground The Deane of Paules Loquebatur in puncto Doctor Cary. as the Prouer be is His wordes were like goades and nailes sharp and sure How wittily and substantially did hee prooue that there was to bee had the last resolution of Faith that Christ instituted that infallible that it was most expedient to be so that Christ foresaw it to be so expedient that the Church could not be one body without it that there could not be without it a iust vniting of the parts of the Church that there could be no vnity of Faith that without it Hereticks could not be conuinced nor lay men in the Church that the vnity of the Church was more preserued by it that no Heresies were condemned without that Bishops consent and that hce had the definitiue sentence If any were giuen by others yet they had recourse to the Pope for confirmation as in the Mileuitan Councell So pithily disputing that it was enough to haue plucked out a mans eyes as the preaching of Paul to the Galathians and led him by a blinde Iesuiticall obedience to thinke so The King certainly admired the frame of his arguments and therefore impatient of interruption bad them let the Deane goe on A frame indeed Aut hoc inclusi ligno occultantur Achiui Aut aliquis latet error equo ne credite Teucri I had not spoken so much of him but in remembrance of S. Iohns That hath brancht out this goulden Candlesticke to beautifie one of the most famous Churches in this King dome Greg. ep Reg. 12. Indu 11. cp 7. S. Pauls in the time of Gregory the Great complained for want of light this cannot howsoeuer in the other I am sure not in the spirituall sence I haue done with him euen in his Relation something may be collected to vnsettle that opinion of dependance vpon the person of that One as cheefe in matters of faith because wee take our leuell of beleefe rather from the matter then the person you shall know him by his fruits Mat. 7.15 nnt his fruits by him It is Christs order not Quis but Quid. The Pope as a Graduate or Catholique Priest may erre not in his Chaire There is not Quid but Quis not what he speaks but what he is the order of Christ peruerted and so giue me at the last leaue to perswade you by the second point That this dependance vpon this one person may bee a cause rather of diuision and separation then of that Reconciliation that is so much implied and so furiously perswaded Now let vs looke backe and see whether wee can be reconciled to that Church which before that head could be set on that bodie caused more distractions and bloud-shed of the Lords seruants then was in any part of Christendome And why did Chrysostome complaine in his time that the Bishop of Rome had filled the Churches with bloud and defiled the holy Eucharist with murthers well it might haue beene preuented if Peters successour had done to his fellow Bishops as Peter to Paul Gal. 2.9 giuen the right hand of fellowship or if they would as Gregory doth

may be Mat. 13.45 they acquire all their knowledge by sitting no paines they take to purchase that pearle in the Gospell no wee presuppose they found it before they sought it Is it come to this Then to that Religion and vnto that Church which findes vs and we not them must we bee reconciled vnder paine of damnation Euseb 5. Let vs deale with them à posteriore Then was Irenaeus in the state of damnation which tooke vp Victor for censuring the Easterne Church Then those were blessed which Cyprian calles Desperate Ep 55. and hee in a woe case for condemning those that made appeale to Rome from Africke Then presently after Cyprian the Church of Carthage must bee damned for want of Reconciliation that excepted against the vniuersality in particular Ne quidem Romanus And St. Augustine as deepe in hell that was an assistant to that Councell Search the Councells Mileuitan and Nice nothing can be found in the Originals except as the Athenians made an Altar where the Beasts staid to the vnknowen God so where the Pope sits they will make relation to some vnknowen Originall in the time of Numa but Plus oculo quam oraculo Chrysost Hom 43. in Matth. we will see it before we receiue it vpon their bare report for we are sure the Greeke Church would not yeeld in Chrysostomes time hee writes against it and the other did excommunicate those that made an appeale to Rome because no good did issue from appeales but long iourneyes expence of money many miseries but no redresse no pitty no indignation at the wrongs and to those that did practise them it was not Refugium but Suffugium a refuge but a shift to slip off the punishment of some notorious crimes that they had committed in their own Church not for any care to religion but to be of that religion which did eyther permit vnlawfull things or dispense with great persons like the Magi that said vnto the Kings of Persia Wee haue a Law that it is not lawfull for a man to marry his sister we haue another Law Virgils Fglog that Kings may doe what they list Et quae tanta fuit Romam tibi causa videndi Libertas saith the Poet liberty and impunity was the cause of these appeales and though there were a necessity yet no fruite did grow from it The comparison which S. Ierome a Priest in Rome doth make betwixt Orbem and vrbem is well knowne and the place in which he paralels the merit Priesthood of Constantinople with Rome Ier. ep ad Euagr. Einsdem meriti et Sacerdotij I omitte the titles of Gregory the Pope himselfe enough to discouer his successors to be Antichristian not spoken onely for meere opposition to the pride of Iohn of Constantinople but for his owne part absit haec leuitas ab aurihus meis Iob. 7. he would not heare of it but because hee was but a sparke of mortality as others were he would not striue to flie the highest but shine the brightest and so we are come past the 600. yeares Then euery man knowes how Phocas killed Mauritius and vsurpt the Empire and to curry fauour with the Romanes made that dogge of the flocke Boniface the third vniuersall Bishop so they continued in hight of pride and cruelty as the ould Rome was built in bloud so was the supremacy gotten by parricide Psa 67.20 Non Jesuitarum suasu sed militum terrcre Eliens epis ad Bell. Apol. Resp cap. 1. we wish it did not so continue It was a saying Thou leadest thy people like sheepe by the hands of Moses and Aaron but now alas it is not Ducit but Trahit we must not be led but drawne by the necks not so much by the perswasion of Iesuites as the violence of Souldiers Ignatius turned from a Souldier to a Iesuite now turned from a Iesuite to a Souldier by bloudy inquisitions and by force of armes must wee be forced to reconciliation not violence vsed onely vpon Subiects but vpon Kings There haue beene some that haue giuen an vncertaine sound to the battell against this plea As that the Bishop of Rome is not aboue a Councell in Paris not aboue the Lawes and all Ecclesiasticall Persons by supreame power in Venice not aboue all by a direct temporall dominion in the consistory of Cardinals There haue beene in England fiue Kings that haue resisted the Pope in such vsurpations and now thanke God IAMES is the sixt but amongest them and vs the first which not long agoe in that famous disputation at Cambridge where the King Anne Dom 1614. Marke 8. Luke 2 6. Reu. 1 13. sitting like Christ among the Doctors keeping an Act not of approbation but of admiration or rather like the Sonne of God in the similitude of the Sonne of Man amongst the golden Candlestickes a King like a Doctor opposing answering determining not in the Maiestie of his person of which hee did but shew the lineaments but in the beauty of his administration in which he did communicate light to euery disputer and glory to himselfe When that profound Schooleman his professour vpon the Question Whether the Pope had any power in temporall things as they tended to a spirituall good Obiected that the Pope had power in disposing and transferring dominions in prescribing the ciuill Lawes of Nations to Kings as S. Ambrose might to Theodosius vnder paine of Excommunication The summe of the answer being that it was not by ciuill authority Non politica authoritate sed medicina spirituali c. but as by a spirituall medicine not by the power of constraint but prescription not by authority but by Councell The King added Concionando non cogendo It pleased him further to vse these words Quaestio est vtrum Ambrosius iure fecit Vtrum exemplum cius sit lex Nego planè Ambrosij factum fuisse licitum nimis arroganter se gessit Ambrosius plusquam decuit in ea re Spoken like a King Leuit. 10. for Moses must speake when Aaron must hold his peace S Ambrose might perswade him to defer the punishment 30. daies after the or of the Grecians he could not constrain him nay a little further since man is onely aboue beasts but Kings are aboue men because they are Gods there is no way but by turning to a greater God Psal 82 6. whose childrē they are though they bee wicked yet they are children of the most highest strange children Psa 18 76. c strange because they let go Iustice but children because they keep the image of God therefore when S. Gregory gaue aduice to that murtherer Phocas which had slaughtered Mauritius with his Sonnes and his Brother euen then when he might read the impiety of the fact in the very nature of the plague that followed which killed them before they had any time to bee sicke Ex Iudel 6 lib 1 c 1 2. as hee