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A30942 The disputation at Winchcomb November 9, 1653 together with the letters and testimonies pertinent thereto : wherein is offered some satisfaction in serveral points of religion. Barksdale, Clement, 1609-1687. 1654 (1654) Wing B794; ESTC R23641 73,761 196

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correcta_fw-la ad_fw-la priorem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la formam_fw-la redeat_fw-la nos_fw-la quoque_fw-la ad_fw-la illam_fw-la revertamur_fw-la &_o communionem_fw-la cum_fw-la illa_fw-la in_fw-la suis_fw-la porr●_fw-la coetibus_fw-la habeamus_fw-la quod_fw-la ut_fw-la tandem_fw-la fiat_fw-la toto_fw-la animo_fw-la dominum_fw-la jesum_fw-la precamur_fw-la quid_fw-la enim_fw-la p●o_fw-la cuique_fw-la optatius_fw-la quam_fw-la ut_fw-la ubi_fw-la per_fw-la baptismum_fw-la renati_fw-la sumus_fw-la ibi_fw-la etiam_fw-la in_o finem_fw-la usque_fw-la vivamus_fw-la modo_fw-la in_o domino_fw-la ego_fw-la h._n z._n cum_fw-la tota_fw-la mea_fw-la familia_fw-la testatum_fw-la hoc_fw-la volo_fw-la toti_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o omnem_fw-la aeternitatem_fw-la huic_fw-la pii_fw-la viri_fw-la sententiae_fw-la libenter_fw-la subscribit_fw-la c._n b._n idem_fw-la in_o observat_fw-la ad_fw-la cap._n 5._o attque_fw-la haec_fw-la de_fw-la patrum_fw-la autoritate_fw-la à_fw-la quibus_fw-la nisi_fw-la manifestissimis_fw-la rationibus_fw-la cogar_fw-la i_o pro_fw-la mea_fw-la tenera_fw-la conscientia_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o dogmatibus_fw-la vel_fw-la