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A16065 Of the auctorite of the word of god agaynst the bisshop of london wherein are conteyned certen disputacyons had in the parlament howse betwene the bisshops a bowt the nomber of the sacramen[n]ts and other things, very necessary to be known, made by Alexa[n]der Alane Scot and sent to the duke of Saxon. Alesius, Alexander, 1500-1565.; Allen, Edmond, 1519?-1559. 1544 (1544) STC 292; ESTC S108900 30,774 92

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workes to be good that are not conteyned in the scripture Now the other part of his reason he proueth thus Those which folowe foliss● questyons contencyons of wordes strange old wyues fables and to be short the doctrines of men not conteyned in the word of god do swarue and erre from the faith and are vngodly wiked hypocrites wherfor if thou stand fast by the holy scriptures and wade no further than thei teach the thou shalt saue both thy self and also them which heare the from this capcyos snare and suttelty of the deuel Specially if thou wilt monissh the christen brethern both of the holsom doctryn and also of the deuels erronios doctrine as it becōmeth a faythful minister of Iesus christ Preach teach these things saith he to all faithful men namely to such as may be apt to teach other likewys And agayne If thou puttest them in remēberāce of these thīgs thou shalt be a faithful minister of Iesus christ brought vp in the word of faith and of the true doctrine which thou hast folowed vntil this day But se that thou banisch contemne all vnholy and old wyuissh fables and rather exercyse thy selfe vnto vertu and godlines Take deligent hede to thy self and to thy doctrine stand fast in it for so doīg thou shalt saue both thiself and them that hear the. Afterward he geueth him a commandment and saith this precept do I charge the with O son timothy acordinge to the prophecies that be past befor thy daies that thou fight a good battel in thē with a sure perfight faith a good or right vp conseyence which certē not regarding haue suffred gret harme losse in their fayth c. And euen in these wordes he teacheth us to fight agaynst the deuel euen with the old prophecy or prophetical scripture and to confirme our faith by it and also to forme and rule our conscyence by it And he sheweth a cause for els we shal lose our faith as other haue done we shal procure our selues a wauering and a dowtful consciēce Finally he is not content and satisfied to haue geuen hym this monicyon but he also entreateth besechith him by all meanes saing I besech the for gods sake and for our lorde Iesus christes sake which shal iudge both quick and dead at his coming and for his kingdoms sake preach the word be instant be ernest and importune in season and out of seasō reproue chide exhort with gentilnes or sobrenes with doctryne For the time shal come whā mē shal not suffer the holsom doctrine but thei shal procure thē selues masters acordīg to their own affeccions and appetices c. This tyme which he speaketh of heare if it be not now let us neuer loke for it For now our faith is confirmed with a vnwrittō word with mās tradicyons with custome ceremonis fathers and cowncels with out any word of god and the manifest scripture is moked out with euery crafty hipocrites Imaginacion and glose yea it is takē out of our handes and burnt Now if these men be not louers of them selues and estemers of their own wisdom if thei be not couetos if thei be not arrogant and vaine glorios if thei be not braggers and blasphemers which ymagin a new vnwrittō word if thei be not dissobedient vnthankful vnto their parentes which wil not ones moue their fote out of their deanes to helpe an old man or to comfort their parentes lying at the point of death if thei be not vnkind vnnatural which for their fayned chastite dare not knowe their own childerne if thei be not truse breakers that vnmercifully warre against vertu and godlines if thei be not deuels quarelers and the very members of the deuel which do nothīg but ymagine cauillacyōs to mocke a way the truth if thei be not voluptuos ryetors merciles neglectors of their office despisers of all lerning and of all true good workes if thei be not traiteros betrayers of kings kingdōs of the whole world if thei be not louers of wordly pleasures and lustes rather than louers of god which condēne matrimony lest thei shuld be compelled to mary wiues but might still liue in whordome with other mennes wiues if thei denie not the vertu pyth and effect of godlines that vnder a color and pretence of true holynes which esteme mans tradiciōs higher than the .x. commandmentes of god and teach that their own tradicyons and ceremonys be sufficiēt to make a perfight christē man that thei may minissh drowne the iustyficaciō of faith ther were neuer none such nor neuer shalbe Paul whan he shuld take his last vale of the church or congregaciō and byd them farewel for euer he called a cowncel whose auctoryte and testimony he wold haue to be estemed and regarded of all men and in that councel he preached thus vnto the bishops I take you all to witnes and testifye vnto you all this day that y am innocēt pure clere frō the blode of you all for I haue kept secret frō you none of those things which concerne your profyght and saluacyon but I haue opened vnto you all the councel of god for the space of .iij. yeares day night without ceasing and I monisshed exhorted euery one of you euen with weping teares For I know right wel that after my departing there shal come among yow rauening wolues which shal haue no pyty or compassyon vp on the flock and certen among you shal teach false and wicked doctryne to allure discyples after them Wherfore take diligent hede both vnto your self and to all your floke and watch remembryng that I haue monysshed you of these things for the space of .iij. yere together with gret lamentacyō And now brethern I commit you vnto the word of his grace which is able to edifye you and to gyue you an inherytance with all them that be sanctifyed c. Here doth paul monissh the councel of the false and lying prophetes and he exhorteth the whole church that thei remember diligētly his monicyon wher of he had put them in rememberāce continually for the space of .iij. yeares that thei shuld take hede of those wolues which had deuoured both bodis and soules of men with wicked doctrine opinions tradicions which thei wold thrust in to the church vnder this color and cloke that the apostles could not teach all things necessary vnto our faith and saluacyon and that all the articles of the christen faith are not conteyned in the word of the grace of god I haue taken yow to record this day sayth he For this cause that if ye cast a way damne your selues thorow bileuing theyr persuasions I am pure clere from your bloude christ shal not reken vnto me your damnacyon For I know that this thing wil come to passe and I tremble and shake euery ioynt of me for the miserable perturbacyons and aduersites of the church whā
bi chance in the streate the right excellent lord Crumwel going vnto the parlament howse in the yeare .1537 he whan he sawe me called me vnto him toke me with him to the parlamēt house to westmyster where we fownd all the bisshops gathered to gether vnto whom as he went and toke me with him all the bisshops and prelates did rise vp and did obeisance vnto him as to their vicar general and after he had saluted them he sate him down in the highest place right against hym sate the Archibisshop of cantorbery after him the Archbisshop of yorke and than London Lincoln Salisbery Bathe Ely Herford Chichester Norwich Rochester and Worcester and certē other whose names I haue forgoten all these did sit● at a table couered with a carpet with certē prystes standing about them Than the lord Crumwel being vicar general of the reame lord of the preuy seale and chefe secret counceler vnto the king turned him self to the bisshops sayd Right reuerend fathers in christ The kings maiesty geueth yow high thankes that ye haue so diligently without any excuse assembled hether acording to his commandment and ye be not ignorant that ye be called hether to determyne certen cōtrouersys which at this tyme be moued concernyng the christen religion and faith not only in this reame but also in all nacions thorowt the world for the kīg studieth day night to set a quietnes in the church and he can not rest vntil all such controuersis be fully debated and ended thorow the determinacyon of yow and of his whole parlament For all though his special desyre is to set a stey for the vnlerned peple whose consciences are in dout what thei may bileue and he him selfe by his excellent lerning knoweth these controuersys welinough yet he wil suffer no comon alteracyon but by the consent of yow and of his whole parlamēt By the which thing ye may perceiue both his high wisdom and also his gret loue toward yow he desiereth yow for christes sake that all malyce obstynacy carnal respect set apart ye will frindly louingly dispute among your selues of the cōtrouersys moued in the church and that ye wyl cōclude all things by the word of god with out all brauling or scolding neither will his magesty suffer the scripture to be wr●sted defaced by any glosys any papistical lawes or by any auctoryte of doctors or councels and moch lesse wil he admit any articles or doctrine not conteyned in the scripture but approued only by cōtynuance of tyme and old custome and by vnwritton verytes as ye were wont to doo Ye know wel īough that ye be bound to shewe this seruice to christ to his church yet notwithstōding his magesty wil giue you high thanckes if ye wil set cōclude a godly and a perfight vnyte wherunto this is the only way and meane if ye wil determyne all things by the scripture as god commādeth yow in deuteronomy which thing his maiesty exhorteth and desyreth yow Whan the lord crumwel had spoken his mynd after this sort with high grauyte as he was a man of a gret witt of excellent wisdom and of goodly eloquēce all the bisshops did ryse vp and gaue thankes to the kings maiesty for his feruēt study and desyre toward an vnite and for this vertuos exhortacyon most worthy a christen king After this began thei to dispute of the sacramentes And first of all the bisshop of london which was an ernest defender of the popes part whom a litel before the lord crumwel had rebuked by name for defending of vnwritton verites this bisshop of london I say went about to defend that there were .vij. sacramētes of our christē religion which he wold proue by certē stincking gloses and old lousy writers and he had vp on his syde the Archbisshop of york the bisshop of lincoln bath chichyster and norwich The bisshop of salisbery Ely herford and worcester and certē other with the Archbisshop of Cantorbery were against him And after thei had made moch strife and cōtencyon about the saings of the doctors one contrary to a nother The bisshop of cantorbery spake and sayd thus It besemeth not men of lerning grauyte to make moche babling and brauling about bare wordes so that we agree in the very substāce and effect of the matter For to braule abowt wordes Is the property of sophisters and such as meane disceight and suttilty which delight in the debate and dissencyon of the world and in the miserable state of the church and not of them which shuld seke the glory of christ and shuld study for the vnyte and quietnes of the church There be waighty controuersis now moued put forth not of ceremonis light things but of the tru vnderstanding and of the right difference of the lawe and of the gospel of the maner and way how synnes be forgeuen of cowmforting doutful and wauering consciēces by what meanes thei may be certifyed that thei please god seing thei fele the strength of the lawe accusing them of sinne of the true vse of the sacramētes whether the outward work of them doth iustifye man or whether we receyue our iustificacyon thorow fayth Item which be the good workes and the true seruice and honor which pleaseth god and whether the choise of meates the difference of garmentes the vowys of monkes and pristes and other tradicyōs which haue no word of god to cōfirme them whether these I say beright good workes and such as make a perf●ght christen man or no. Item whether vaine seruyce and false honoryng of god and mans tradicyons do bynd mens consciences or no. Finally whether the ceremonis of confirmacyon of orders and of annealing and soch other which can not be proued to be institute of christ nor haue any word in them to certifye us of remissyon of sinnes ought to be called sacramentes and to be cōpared with baptim and the supper of the lord or no. Thes be no light maters but euen the principal poyntes of our christen religiō wherfor we contend not about wordes and trifles but of high and ernest matters Christ saith Blessed be the peace makers for thei shal be called the sōnys of god And Paul cōmandeth bisshops to auoyde brawling and cōtencion about words which be profitable to nothīg but vnto the subuersion and destructiō of the hearers and be monissheth specially that he shuld resist with the scriptures whan any man disputeth with him of the fayth he addeth a cause wher as he sayth Doing this thou shalt preserue both thy selfe and also them which heare the. Now if ye wil folow th●se councellers Christ and Paul all contencyon and brauling about wordes must be set apart and ye must stablissh a godly and a perfight vnyte cōcord out of the scripture Wherfor in this disputaciō we must first agree of the nomber of the sacramentes and what a sacrament doth signify in the holy scripture and whan
whan he gaue the scripture to be writton or els that he could not tell all things or els that he hidde certē things from us of purpose that so he myght damne and destroy us where as he had sayd before euidently that we shuld be iudged at the latter day by the word which he had spoken vnto us But thei be so blynded by the deuel that thei can not perceyue the abhominacion of this blasphemy Now to confirme all godly myndes and to call them back from their dotyng I haue gathered in order certen testimonys which do euidently proue that the wrytton word of god is the fowndacion of our christen fayth and that all the articles of our christen fayth ought to be prouyd by the holy scriptures The first is in the .iiij. of Deuterono●ye shal not adde vnto the worde which I speake vnto yow neyther mynissh from it And who dyd euer expownd this to be vnderstand of the vnwritton word before thes lying false prophetys and antichrystes And if it ought to be vnderstōd of the writton scripture only than do thei playnly agaynst gods word which Imagyne that there shuld be any vnwritton word But I am not ignorant how these mockers are wont to iest or scoff a way and to face owt this place sayng that there is one kynd of adding which minyssheth a nother which altereth a nother which maketh largyer and a nother which fulfilleth thei grant that this sayng refuseth all maner of addings sauyng the last maner wherby the scripture is made more manifest and open But to cōfute this fansy Imaginacyon the manifest scripture is suffycyēt deute the .vj. what I command that shalt thow do only vnto the lord thou shalt neyther adde nor minyssh any thing And in the last chapt of the Apoca. Who so euer addeth any thing vnto this the lord shal sēd hym the plages which be writō in this boke which place all the duns men euen duns him self granteth that it ought to be vnderstond of the whole scripture wherfore it is manifest that those synne against the commandment of god which affirme that there is any word of god vnwriton like as thei do which expownd the scripture after their own fansis or gyue iudgement of the wil of god with owt the manifest word of god For it is a deuillyssh lye to say that the scripture can not be vnderstond with owt mens commētarys or glosys because it is so darke dowtful that it may be applyed to cōfirme all maner of heresys In the .xxviij. of deuter are proffred benedyccyons of all sortys vnto them that kepe those things which are writton in the boke of the lawe And in the .xxxij. chap. of the same boke Moyses doth manifestly say thus Set and fyxe your hartes vpō all the wordes which I testyfye vnto you this day that ye may command your childern to kepe and obserue all things which are writton in the boke of this lawe for thei be not geuen and commanded vnto yow in vayne but that euery one of you should lyue after them Marke here is euerlasting life promysed vnto them which kepe those things that are writton in the scripture And Moyses doth playnly say that this is the fynal and only cause why god wold haue his word to be writton that all men in general and euery one in s●eciall of what order degre or occupacyon so euer he be shuld haue the word of god where by thei might be saued wherupō it foloweth that it is a manifest blasphemy to say that we may be saued or damned by any tradicyōs of man And here thei are conuyct to be starck idyotes which asscrybe this ignorāce neclygence vnto god as though he either could not or els wold not cōmyt all articles necessary vnto our saluacyon to be writton in the holy scripture For thei declare euydently that thei knowe not the final cause why the scripture is geuen vnto us but thei Imagyne god to be lyke some ignorant poete which hath geuen us a patched and an vnperfight worke For god wold that in the scripture his will shuld shyne as it were in a glasse and that the perfight image of hys deyte which paule calleth the prynt and seale of his substance shuld appeare therin Item s. Iohn sayth that this word doth shyne in darknes and that it is the lyght which shineth in mens hartes blynded of the deuyl thorow sinne and that christ doth open vnto us the wil of god thorow his gospel which will no mortal man did euer knowe but so farre as this word which is in the fathers bosom dyd open vnto him Wherfor we may perceyue that it is not only thorow the ignorance of man that the word of god is thus blasphemed but thorow the malyce of the deuyl For the deuel neuer ceaseth to disfigure this word namely the son of god whom he despysed before the world was made and shal fight with him euen with all his pour vntyl the day of iudgement In the .xvij. of deute The king is cōmanded to haue alweys in his handes and in his sight the boke of the lawe and to reade owt of it all the dayes of his life for this purpose that he shuld lerne to feare his lord god And for his study diligēce this promes is made him that he shuld lyue lōg and that his kingdome shuld be geuen to many of his progeny lynage And wold to god all christen kinges and princes wold think surely the reading of the holy bokes of scripture to be a part off their offyce not to reade them in latē which thei vnderstand not but so to reade it as thei may lerne the wil of god how he wil be feared by his word only and not by any popish lawes and mans tradicyons And if thei wold do thus I durst surely warāt them both that thei shuld lyue longer and also that thei shuld haue lesse tumult and sedicyon in their life tyme. For now seing thei play the tyrānes ouer the scripture and ouer the readers of it it is no meruel that god doth ponissh them for their cruelnes and that there be fewe of them but that dye some shameful and cruel death for such is the end of tirannes wont to be Ioachim king of Iuda sawe all his sonnes headed and he him self his eyes before put out was bownd and led presoner in to babylon and it was sayd openly vnto him because thow hast brent the boke of Iheremy there shal be none left of thy sede which shal sit vpon the throne of dauid and thy cark as shal be cast out in to the heate in the day time and in to the frost in the night tyme. Antiochus which cōmanded the holy bokes of scripture to be burnt perisshed miserably in desperacyon and thorow a meruelos falle Both daniel and paul do testifye that he was the figure of the last Antichrist that euer shuld be Wherfor I wil not spend my wordes in