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A13767	A triple antidote, against certaine very common scandals of this time which, like infections and epidemicall diseases, haue generally annoyed most sorts of people amongst vs, poisoned also not a few, and diuers waies plagued and afflicted the whole state. / By Iohn Tichborne, Doctor of Diuinity, and sometimes fellow of Trinity Colledge in Cambridge..	Tichborne, John, d. 1638.	1609 (1609)	STC 24064; ESTC S118413	94,709	132

word And had not God himselfe made this order and difference in all publique and politique proceedings as by the places aboue named and many other of the old and newe Testament which we haue elsewhere vsed for the differences and dignities of Ministers in generall may appeare yet common experience reason and necessity would haue inforced the same as we may see in all pollitique bodies Ecclesiasticall and Ciuil which haue euer beene in the world which otherwise through a generall confusion none ruling nor any obeying would fall downe of themselues as Saint Paul saith if euery member were a head where were the hand the feete the smelling c euen all without order and difference a monstrous confusion And therefore these men themselues in their exercising and awarding this high censure or any part of their new deuised pollicy and discipline reduce all such proceedings to Consistorial throne and iurisdiction and that in far greater soueraignty and peremptory vnreuerseable power then wheresoeuer vnder Christian Magistracy any lawfull Ecclesiasticall body doth execute their iurisdictions and power And herein it differeth not whether the immediate mannagers and Actuaries in this Excommunication be good or bad as the Donatists and Anabaptists sometimes excepted against Baptisme it selfe and some of our homebred Schismatickes haue often reuiued those quarrells or els Laickes sometimes and in some cases as the next question will better inquire so long as they haue this externall order and power by lawfull authority vnder Christian Magistrates put vpon them because therein they doe not their owne worke or actions as Augustine hath abundantly aunswered against the Donatists but the speciall functions of the Church by which they are moued and in euery particular directed and no way carried so farre foorth as they performe any Ecclesiasticall seruices by their owne priuate motions and spirit as appeareth also in baptisme ordination of ministers and many other things appertaining to Ecclesiasticall power and censures And indeede the summe of this obiection is none other then the demand of Corah and his confederates challenging equall power and holinesse in this kinde to all the Leuites and ministers in common Num. 16. v. 34. which God had made then for the order and gouernment of that Church proper to the Priests which is all one with the matter and question we haue in hand For the conclusion whereof I desire all to reade that with iudgement and to translate the Latine of it into good true English diuinity or Christian and godly pollicy if they will which that graue learned and true Christian politician wrote sometimes by way of councell and Theologicall determination to certayne like minded with these Questionists Obiectors Melancthon in Consiliis theologicis Et Consistoria ideo cōstituta sunt ne indocti pastores aut malidānent homines sine legittima cognitione sicut manifestum est iracundos pastores saepe hoc modo iniuste turbasse ecclesias notum est plurimos pastores nescire ordinem cognitionum satis est pastors quod ad ministerium iurisdictionem suam attinet quando crimen est notorium admonere reum si non obtemperet arcere cum a communione c. Which speciall power also is by the wisedome and appointment of our Church thorough some delegate power left many times in the hands of euery the meanest minister who also for the most part alwayes hath his ministery and vse in the inflicting this censure and absoluing any persons from it To which the same author addeth the practise and iudgement of other learned men and Churches at that time more directly to this question An●● Annum in ditione Naumbergensi magna contentio fuit inter quosdam an singuli pastores armandi essent hac potestate Nominatim sine cognitione Consistorii excommunicandi aliquos responderunt autem Dr. Sneppius Casper Aquila idem quod nos nunc scribimus Now for the third and last question and obiection vsually made against the meanes and manner of executing this censure Quaest 3. namely that oftentimes meere Laicks or such at the least as were neuer fully admitted into holy orders doe not onely intermeddle therewith but haue for the most part the greatest stroke therein Plea of the Innocent pag. 49. 50. To which I first answer that which some of these exceptors and pleaders make contrary vse of alledging as the truth is and the order thereof by our Canons and common practise of our Church that the mayne sentence of Excommunication is euermore reserued to bee denounced by the Bishop or some other minister as from whose care and power this whole proceeding doth originally descend by whome and by what means soeuer it be managed Which secondly if it were not so I answer that whatsoeuer is performed herein by any such persons either for the better more safe preparation to the finall sentence it selfe or els practised in the very denouncing of the same are to be accompted for no other then the actions of the sacred ministery it selfe or if you will rather speake with Cyprian and Ierome of the Church and whole power any where established for so they speake plainly albeit very impertinently Nichols in his plea pag. 59. and as ignorantly cited by one of these grand exceptors against many things in our Church gouernment and this one we haue in hand amongst the rest Clauium potestas non vnised vnitati conceditur And so indeede the intermedlers herein are not merely Laikes or wholy Ecclesiasticall in that behalfe and their assistance herein or pronouncing this sentence at any time is no otherwise then as the Clerke of the peace at any commō Sessions doth reade denounce or any way assist the Iudges thereof to whome properly and principally the whole commission is directed Thirdly many things incident and especially belonging to this greate censure of Excommunication as it is now for the most part exercised by any Church being externall and primarily respecting the bodies and outward estates of the offendors as also the common peace and externall pollicy of both Church and common wealth together as we aboue shewed they are by all reasonable consideration to be mannaged and discussed by their proper professors and best experienced therein Neither lastly were it meet as the whole councell of the Apostles conclude in the like case that the ministers of the word and Sacraments should attend vpon tables or taking knowledge of all criminall causes in this kind and nature In respect whereof our new masters of their Church policy haue found it very necessary to appoint diuers sorts of lay persons as Elders Deacons Widdowes and such like making them essentiall parts of all welordered Church policy Acts. 6. v. 2. according to Christ his word rules and kingdome as they say who yet notwithstanding in the trueth of those termes being according to the vse thereof in the first Churches and Paul his mentioning of such kind of helpers 1. Cor. 12. v. 26. vnder the

I haue dealt with or heard of confesse as much of our doctrine which yet indeed be things well examined is as much as is required at their hands by this Subscription And as for particular differences of learned men about the exposition of sundry Scriptures and diuersities of iudgements about any speciall point of positiue Diuinitie as for example in some part of that Article touching Christs descending into Hell and such like very manie about the reading or translating In Epistola quadam yea allowing at all certaine books generally retained amongst the rest of holy Scripture they need not hinder any mans hand from Subscription for as long as the world standeth there will be infinite such differences and that which Hierome obserueth in his time concerning many such varieties must goe still for currant that in such causes Quilibet abundet suo sensu and yet submit himselfe to the generall truth and equity of things ordained in the Church which is the best rule for euery age and euery special Church For so neither is it any way cōtrary but very agreeable to the word of God and euery particular therein that the best humane constitutions for matters of doctrine or manners should be imperfect and not want their doubts and ambiguities nor yet that those that liue vnder gouernment for these imperfections no way implying any manifest error or impiety be they neuer so many shall refuse to subscribe thereunto being lawfully required for so should they yeeld vnto nothing and yet when they haue done all they can they must and doe subscribe to some men and some rules for doctrine and matters traditionary amongst themselues and why not aswell to the present state whereby they liue but that singularity syding and affection now ruleth all the world and God his ordinance is easily neglected and reiected Secondly in matters doubtful and difficult either for doctrine and practise so long as they containe no manifest impiety or notorious offence in them the Superiours authority grounded vpon the fift commandement is sufficient warrant and bond also to any conscience for obedience therein for otherwise there would be no end of controuersies as Melanct. pag. 123. Part. 2. Consil Theolog. Vt sit igitur discordiarum finit recte facit potestas obligans homines vt obtemperent cum alioqui parere sit necesse according also to that old argument Cognitio in synodis est summum iudicium in Ecclesia parere igitur est necesse nor yet any order for any proceedings in the world Which mooued Saint Augustine at the last to conclude this point for the compelling of hereticks and all contrarily minded to wholsome doctrine and religion established by the Ciuil Magistrate as in his Retractations he sheweth Retractatio lib. 2. cap. 18. whose iudgemēt being so vniuersaly approued amōgst vs that refractary spirits may and ought to be constrained to such obedience euen against their iudgements that without any conscience of sin vnto them I maruaile how these standards out can in their consciences absolue themselues of a great sin against the fift commandement for disobeying in so meane and small impositions by so lawfull authority whereas in obeying they haue the fift commandement for their warrāt and the commanding magistrate his soule and conscience engaged in this behalfe as whose sinne furthermore it is if it bee any and of whom it is to be required and not of the obeyer who in cases doubtfull and difficult maketh iust conscience of obedience to superiors and stayeth himselfe herein vpon the fift commandemēt And if they say that in subscription things simply wicked are vrged by our Church as in our doctrines formes of prayer and discipline defended and allowed it is strange that they haue neuer as yet in all their pryings exceptions and conclusions amongst them exhibited any such foule matter to the eies of the iudicious which God be thanked are in great number amongst vs and abroad in the world and it were very strange and wicked also that our neighbour Churches with whom we entertaine and professe agreement and confession alike should want so much charity and that so long especially those Aristarchi of Geneua and Beza himselfe writing so oft to our late Queene and some Bishops also of this kingdome as neuer to haue put vs in minde thereof in a word they might as well say wee haue no Church at all which GOD be thanked for matter of constitution for doctrine and maners is one of the most flourishing Churches in the world as to say we should retaine such grosse points contrary to faith and manners Cassander de Baptismo Infantum p. 113. as Cassander learnedly disputeth from this generall to his particular defence of infants baptism against those Anabaptisticall exceptors in Germany of late very like in too too many things vnto those Sectaries of our times to whom our wise and learned most noble Soueraigne lately answered that if they supposed and iudged such grossenesse as idolatry and such like to be in any part of the substance of our religion or any meanes of expressing the same that then they did very ill to stay so long amongst vs and should rather depart the kingdome which is also our answer in some cases vel subscribendum vel secedendum rather in case they cannot be perswaded then they should doe any thing against their conscience In his Epistle to Queene Elizabeth and the Bishops of that time to depart from vs. Thirdly M. Digges his reasōs for association in religiō which presume are well accounted of by these refusers and dislikers of Subscription the Author being for the most part wholly of their side make as much for vniformity in professing and expressing the same religion by one kind of ceremonies and circumstances accordingly And be it well considered and examined in matter and weight of state deliberation and execution it will be found thereupon by all that are truely able to discerne such matters and mysteries that it is as like to haue toleration multitudes of religiō which all kinds of opinion so much condemne as such variety diuersities and contrariety in the outward manner externall rites circumstances and ceremonies to expresse the same as we haue aboue intimated and in the outward performing thereof And albeit there be great ods in respect of the matter of conscience with GOD which is but one and so will haue but one religion one faith one baptisme c and so for the soules and safeties of Christian people which can haue but one good and true religion yet for good policy matter meanes of common peace and well ordering the outward gouernment of the Church more inconueniences may well and wisely be obserued to proceede from the latter then the former as in comparing ceremonies with doctrine by certaine reasons drawne from master Luther and others we haue elsewhere shewed in a more large treatise which if God please shall not be long behind this about this

and fitting them for the kingdome of glory Instance and euident proofe whereof is affoorded in this one practise for many others of the primitiue Church in which these Church gouernors only tooke knowledge and care of all those that gaue their names vnto Christ and were thereupon after confession of the faith admitted into the ranke and order of their Catecumeni and so afterward were reckoned in the number of the visible Church as Saint Augustine confesseth of himself who also afterwards falling from that faith or not liuing worthy of the same after all good meanes vsed as is specified more particularly by our Sauiour Christ Mat. 18. v. 17. and was alwayes in force in the primitiue Church as by Heb. 10. other places may be gathered and yet persisting in that their vnworthinesse of such a fellowship were returned backe againe by the same power of the Church vnto their former estate and were no otherwise accounted of then as if they were Publicans or Heathen Mat. 18. v. 17. that is such as had nothing to doe with that speciall Church of the Iewes which was the onely Church visible at that time The like may be sayd of all decrees and constitutions made by the immediate gouernours of any particular Church for the determining of all controuersies and expounding of Scriptures according to the rules of faith and manners and their speciall prescribing meanes and directions to penitents and such like as Physitians are wont to their patients and giuing orders for the safe keeping of the doctrine of faith and manners and the preuenting of all things contrary to the same commonly procured by hereticks and schismaticks Wherein also that their power for the vrging of Subscription proceeding from this of Excommunication to all things set downe by them not contrary to the generall rules of faith and manners consisteth and appeareth as is further declared in the next treatise In which respect Saint Paul gaue such charge in so many places vnto Timothie for the carefull keeping of that depositum and forme of wholsome wordes 1. Tim. 6. v. 20. And Reuel 2. ver 14. and 15. God requireth it of the Angell and none other who by all mens confession representeth the Church power in that place that the doctrine of Balaam and of the Nicholaitans and the heretickes themselues were not repressed by him and that Ecclesiasticall power whereof that Angell was head and superintendent by such meanes of admonition confutation conuiction and so consequently if neede required Excommunication which are euermore proper to the Church care and power Albeit in that infancy of the Church in all places there was a great mixing of both powers as appeareth by the Apostles themselues who called Councels in their owne name for the better strengthning that their weake state and beginnings strooke some with temporal punishments and with death also in some cases which also vntill Christian Magistrates did protect and maintayne this power rights and authority of the Church was practised in many places after the Apostles time wheresoeuer the violence of persecuting tyrantes did not restrayne the Church liberty in this behalfe which is wont and so iustly may yea ought indeede as well as any other incoporation left vnto it selfe to make Lawes ordayne Magistrates punish offenders and such like whereby that their state may bee better ordered and preserued Howbeit which in the second place I answer and is euermore to bee remembred according as wee haue also obserued before no power whatsoeuer properlie belonging to the Church or els annexed by any meanes thereunto can be exercised in any part of the world vnder ciuill Magistracy without the authority or good leaue at the least of the commaunders therein nor any Lawes made or ratified without assent and leaue of the ciuill power as vnder which and from which all other Externall power hath all his outward motion as the most principall members of any naturall body vnder their proper head as all Christian Churches doe acknowledge the ciuill magistrate in all causes supreme head and gouernour howsoeuer that word Head without any such iust cause I thinke hath beene of late misliked of some euen as many good Popes also Beda lib. 1 cap. 23. de Gregorie Mag ad Mauricium lib. 2. cap. 18. Honorius ad Horaolium before that chayre of pestilence was fully seated amongst them did call the Emperors of their times their gracious Lords And yet notwithstanding as the other principall parts of the body the Liuer for example hath immediate motion and operation from it selfe as wel as that other from the head and as the inferiour orbes of the Stars and circles of heauen are moued as well by theyr owne naturall courses as by that generall motion which is obserued to carry all other with it and vnder it so is it in this entercourse of politique administrations Ecclesiasticall and ciuil both interchaungeably compared and considered together neither may the proper orders and proceedings of the one be truely sayde to be any more preiudiciall or contrary to the other then the Liuer in his proper operations to the heart or head from which it hath his continuall life and motion wheras the God of nature hath in his wisedome and prouidence diuersly disposed of them in that general communion their properties and functions euermore reserued to themselues as that stoute and wise high Priest tolde Vzziah how it appertained not vnto him to meddle in any part of the Priest his office 2. Chro. 26. vers 18 howsoeuer in other things they were subiect vnto them euen vnto their placing and displacing and indeede here is no more in effect then as housholders rule in the house and martiall men for their orders of warre 1. Reg. 2. v. 35. which yet I hope no way withstād that other which we call the chiefe power To which purpose also is that other straine and further extent of this cauil that any such power should be warranted by God and so allowed to bee in force vnder any wel ordered gouernment wherein the ciuill and chiefe Magistrate hath nothing to doe for the discerning and awarding thereof much lesse to haue power and authority to repeale or reuerse the same and so to restore any person censured thereby of this kingdome to forrain Ecclesiastical power of law as it is thought Insomuch as one of the daintiest practisers of these dayes in a sad and sober conference had with some of our grauest did cast it out I cannot tell how that he could neuer found the depth and mysteries of Episcopall Iurisdiction in generall and of these proceedings for Excommunication in speciall pag. 77 78. Late assertions for Church discipline And more plainly and grosly our late pleaders as well for their innocents as they terme them and as I may truely call the other very sinfull assertions for their new discipline haue made both the power it selfe and much more the due practise and exercise thereof very dangerous for

doth the word of God come out from them onely 1. Cor. 14.36 but beeing as all other men subiect to their falles howsoeuer neither thēselues nor any other their fauourers delight to tell Quid faciunt in other things and doceant also which is many times worst of all as well as Quid patiuntur must likewise endure the censure of the time and their speciall punishments awarded as well as other men Now that these men may haue some reasōs giuen and affoorded why they may safely subscribe as well as the gouernours of the Church may ought to vrge the same vpon them I haue reserued somewhat to the last place as I promised for this end Wherein first wee will remoue some difficulties vsually pretended in this action of obedience and then declare how in effect they daily doe as much or haue already by their daily practises more then in this subscription is required at their hands For the first they must all know that the thing required in subscription is their obedience rather and good affection to the state and allowance of the maine things established amongst vs then any their particular knowledge and examination of so many particulars which doe not so much indeede concerne them to know much lesse to inquire so farre into them whose best wisedome and safety for their consciences were in matters of this nature so long as no manifest sinne may appeare therein for then a separation were necessary to rest themselues vpon that which is commanded and the wisedome and decrees of those vnder whose gouernment and authority they liue For besides that this were many waies more safe for their consciences and would cut off many lets and hinderances which on the other side are cast into the way of the manifold dueties of their speciall callings it would very well become men of their sort to haue so reuerent an opinion of so many waighty and graue constitutions deuised and appointed by so many learned heads after such long experience and precedents from all Churches in the world to yeelde themselues with heart and hand and to giue their good allowance to the same that at the least they are lawfull and wholsome and such as doe no way crosse and contrary the word of God And to say with him that read ouer a booke and vnderstood but few things therein Quae intellexi bona Laertius in Socratis vita 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 credo etiam quae non intellexi for being things at the most doubtfull and controuersed betwixt them and the reuerend Fathers any reasonable man would thinke it more fit that these inferiors should come in and yeelde themselues rather then these superiors whose reasons and consciences are perswaded to be as good and better because better informed and furnished with iudgement and knowledge then theirs Neither may the pillars of the earth as Iob speaketh that is auncient constitutions and determinations of men in place be forsaken and pulled downe for their sakes who are but of yesterday and so I conclude this with that worthy speech of Arnobius in a higher matter against the Gentiles Superciliosa nimis res est quando ipse sit non tuus Lib. 1. contra Gentes in aliena etiamnum possessione verseris potentioribus dare conditionem velle vt id fiat quod tu velis non quod inueneris antiquis constitutionibus fixum Secondly if any thing be hard in the iudgement of these refusers it may either be conuinced to be simply wicked and then no doubt it should be forborne or altered or they might and ought to depart or els doubtfull and disputable and then by better discussing the points and information thereupon the most tenderest of them might be satisfied if they would seeke and hearken to the meanes as the Bishops of euery Diocesse according to the appointmēt of our worthy Soueraigne haue yeelded time and meanes enough for their satisfaction in any thing they may haue iust cause to take exception against For the other reason that they doe dayly subscribe by word and practise how els doe they say Amen to our Leitourgies and to our orders of common praier whereat they refuse not to be present much more how can they be content by their practises to haue liued as ministers hitherto vnder that gouernment and particulars therein to which now they dare not subscribe and set their hands whereas by their former practises they had done so many a yeare together and so would doubtlesse by their word and profession now but that some other sinister causes I feare draweth and haleth them another way And so to conclude this point I desire all to remember that wise speech of that graue Senator in Valerius Maximus prophecying of Rome that then should be the end of that Empire when the superiors should forget to rule as beseemed them and inferiors to obey in all things which doth euermore best become them and without the which there would be no better then Nomadum vita Euripides in Phaenissis where as Euripides saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the very Image of hell it selfe death and the graue where as Iob saith Chap. 10. vers 22 there is no order but light is there as darknesse To answer yet a little more fully the obiections made against subscription and to giue the best satisfaction we can to the weake or wilfull standers out vpon the vrging thereof and so many vniustly offended thereupon I desire al with indifferency to reade that which I haue thought necessary to adioyne here following as a supplement to our former considerations thereof as well shewing what small cause the one side hath for their standing out being offended thereat as also the great equity and euen absolute necessity for the most precise requiring the same in any well ordered estate First therefore to shew that it bindeth none to beare false witnesse to say yea and nay of the same thing so to intangle and inwrap weake consciences with manifold scruples and difficulties In his plea pag. 203. which is the summe of Master Nichols and all his complices opposing themselues against it we say first that nothing contained in those Articles to which Subscription is required is any way against the rule and Canon of faith and manners which are the very pith substance of all the word of God for as for all our doctrine there is nothing generallie maintained in all the Articles of our Church which directly crosseth any portion of scripture examined by those two former rules nor yet containeth or alloweth any blasphemy heresie Idolatry or superstition or any iniustice in them against the second table but wholsome Lawes are made against them all both Ecclesiasticall Ciuill and are euery way sutable for the generall contents thereof with that Harmony of confessions which was not many yeeres since agreed vpon by all reformed Churches as I presume these refusers neither can nor will deny and all that euer