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officer_n in_o the_o church_n sect._n 15._o other_o argument_n from_o scripture_n may_v be_v bring_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o now_o insist_v on_o they_o have_v maintain_v some_o of_o they_o against_o this_o learned_a author_n in_o my_o animadversion_n on_o his_o irenicum_fw-la wherefore_o i_o shall_v only_o add_v a_o five_o argument_n as_o a_o ground_n of_o our_o scruple_n from_o some_o testimony_n of_o the_o judgement_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o succeed_v to_o the_o apostle_n this_o may_v the_o more_o heighten_v our_o scruple_n that_o our_o brethren_n lay_v the_o stress_n of_o their_o cause_n on_o the_o ancient_a church_n if_o we_o can_v find_v there_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o a_o diocesan_n bishop_n but_o much_o to_o the_o contrary_a they_o ought_v not_o to_o blame_v we_o if_o we_o can_v with_o
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to_o the_o rest_n he_o tell_v that_o notwithstanding_o of_o their_o riches_n or_o poverty_n greatness_n or_o meanness_n the_o difference_n of_o city_n where_o they_o be_v sive_fw-la romae_fw-la sive_fw-la eâ—gâ—bij_fw-la sive_fw-la constantinopoli_fw-it etc._n etc._n they_o be_v ejusdem_fw-la meriti_fw-la &_o sacerdotii_fw-la and_o show_v that_o the_o apostle_n give_v direction_n to_o timothy_n and_o titus_n about_o ordination_n of_o bishop_n and_o deacon_n say_v nothing_o of_o presbyter_n because_o the_o presbyter_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o bishop_n that_o be_v they_o be_v the_o same_o what_o may_v seem_v to_o make_v against_o our_o cause_n in_o this_o epistle_n be_v that_o he_o say_v quod_fw-la autem_fw-la unus_fw-la electus_fw-la quem_fw-la caeteris_fw-la praeponeretur_fw-la id_fw-la in_o schismatis_fw-la remedium_fw-la factum_fw-la which_o he_o say_v be_v ne_fw-la unusquisque_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la ad_fw-la se_fw-la trahens_fw-la christi_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la rumperet_fw-la which_o be_v do_v say_v he_o in_o alexandria_n a_o marci_n temporibus_fw-la this_o may_v well_o be_v understand_v of_o a_o moderator_n of_o their_o meeting_n who_o have_v power_n of_o convening_n the_o presbyter_n lest_o every_o one_o may_v call_v a_o meeting_n of_o they_o at_o his_o pleasure_n and_o so_o breed_v confusion_n and_o it_o must_v be_v so_o understand_v not_o of_o a_o bishop_n with_o sole_a jurisdiction_n unless_o we_o will_v make_v jerom_n to_o contradict_v the_o whole_a strain_n and_o design_n of_o this_o epistle_n another_o passage_n be_v quid_fw-la enim_fw-la facit_fw-la episcopus_fw-la praeâ—er_fw-la ordinationem_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la facit_fw-la presbyter_n which_o can_v be_v understand_v of_o ordination_n or_o sâ—le_n ordination_n of_o presbyter_n for_o that_o be_v to_o make_v a_o material_a difference_n between_o bishop_n and_o presbyter_n which_o be_v direct_o contrary_a to_o his_o whole_a discourse_n but_o ordination_n here_o must_v be_v order_v of_o their_o meeting_n which_o be_v the_o part_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o moderatâ—r_n one_o may_v also_o allege_v that_o in_o the_o write_n of_o this_o learned_a father_n a_o passage_n obiter_fw-la set_v down_o be_v not_o to_o be_v take_v notice_n of_o in_o prejudice_n of_o the_o scope_n and_o strain_n of_o hâ—s_n discourse_n though_o they_o be_v â—nâ—â—nsistent_a and_o may_v ground_v this_o allegation_n on_o the_o account_n that_o he_o give_v of_o his_o own_o write_n and_o cite_v also_o by_o dr._n stillingflâ—et_n ireniouâ—â—_n p._n 278._o itaqâ—e_fw-la ut_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la fatear_fw-la legi_fw-la haec_fw-la omne_fw-la &_o in_o meâ—â—e_n mea_fw-la plurima_fw-la conservans_fw-la accito_fw-la notario_fw-la vel_fw-la mea_fw-la vel_fw-la aliena_fw-la dictavi_fw-la nec_fw-la ordinis_fw-la nec_fw-la verborum_fw-la interdum_fw-la nec_fw-la sensuum_fw-la meinor_fw-la sect._n 16._o another_o testimony_n be_v also_o out_o of_o jerom_n comment_n in_o tit._n 1._o where_o he_o insist_v at_o length_n on_o the_o same_o subject_n and_o asserteâ—h_v the_o same_o opinion_n as_o before_o idem_fw-la ergo_fw-la say_v he_o presbyter_n qui_fw-la episcopus_fw-la &_o antequam_fw-la diaboli_fw-la instinctu_fw-la studia_fw-la in_o religione_fw-la fierent_fw-la &_o diceretur_fw-la in_o populis_fw-la ego_fw-la sum_fw-la pauli_n ego_fw-la apollo_n ego_fw-la cephae_fw-la allude_v to_o the_o schism_n mention_v 1_o cor._n 3._o not_o mean_v it_o in_o particular_a as_o some_o fancy_n communi_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la concilio_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la gubernabatur_fw-la postquam_fw-la vero_fw-la unusquisque_fw-la eos_fw-la quos_fw-la baptizaverat_fw-la suos_fw-la putabat_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la christi_fw-la toto_fw-la orbe_fw-la decretum_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la unus_fw-la de_fw-la presbyteris_fw-la electis_fw-la superponeretur_fw-la reliquis_fw-la ad_fw-la quem_fw-la omnis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la cura_fw-la pertineret_fw-la ut_fw-la schismatum_fw-la semina_fw-la tolerentur_fw-la 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whether_o the_o paper_n he_o speak_v of_o and_o the_o confession_n of_o heath_n the_o jesuit_n and_o the_o letter_n mention_v have_v any_o thing_n of_o truth_n or_o be_v a_o shame_n as_o many_o such_o thing_n have_v be_v in_o our_o day_n it_o be_v such_o a_o wild-goose_n chase_v to_o follow_v forth_o the_o enquiry_n as_o i_o do_v not_o hope_v to_o come_v to_o the_o end_n of_o it_o and_o it_o be_v not_o operae_fw-la pretium_fw-la to_o find_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o that_o coleman_n hallingham_n and_o benson_n be_v name_v in_o the_o letter_n and_o also_o record_v by_o mr._n fuller_n and_o other_o as_o forward_a nonconformist_n prove_v no_o more_o but_o that_o the_o cunning_a jesuit_n know_v how_o to_o insinuate_v into_o the_o most_o unwary_a as_o these_o with_o button_n be_v represent_v to_o be_v by_o their_o forwardness_n beyond_o other_o as_o appear_z fuller_n ch._n hist._n book_n 9_o pag._n 81._o &_o pag._n 108._o where_o he_o say_v they_o cut-did_a all_o of_o their_o own_o opinion_n and_o be_v there_o ever_o a_o party_n among_o who_o some_o may_v not_o be_v find_v fit_a tool_n by_o their_o indiscretion_n to_o be_v employ_v by_o cunning_a artificer_n for_o raise_v trouble_n without_o cast_v a_o reflection_n of_o blame_v on_o the_o whole_a party_n but_o our_o author_n shall_v have_v at_o the_o same_o time_n take_v notice_n out_o of_o the_o same_o historian_n p._n 76._o that_o the_o bishop_n in_o 5_o eliz._n 1563._o be_v impower_v by_o their_o canon_n begin_v to_o urge_v subscription_n to_o the_o liturgy_n ceremony_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n and_o by_o so_o do_v give_v rise_v to_o these_o mens_fw-la and_o other_o appear_v as_o they_o do_v and_o brand_v the_o refuser_n with_o the_o odious_a name_n
the_o church_n the_o bishop_n show_v kindness_n unto_o they_o for_o their_o zealous_a preach_v a_o few_o remark_n on_o this_o will_v serve_v to_o clear_v our_o way_n 1._o it_o seem_v the_o episcopal_a party_n have_v not_o such_o respect_n as_o be_v fit_a to_o the_o conscience_n of_o their_o dissent_v brethren_n in_o that_o they_o be_v get_v law_n make_v to_o force_v they_o to_o that_o which_o they_o can_v not_o persuade_v they_o to_o by_o the_o gospel_n but_o this_o be_v the_o old_a spirit_n of_o that_o party_n which_o still_o creat_v trouble_v to_o the_o church_n 2._o that_o some_o of_o they_o accept_v of_o preferment_n and_o these_o he_o name_v gilby_n whittingham_n be_v among_o they_o who_o fuller_n place_v in_o the_o rank_n of_o fierce_a nonconformist_n show_v how_o loath_a they_o be_v to_o divide_v from_o their_o brethren_n as_o long_o as_o they_o be_v suffer_v to_o keep_v their_o conscience_n undefiled_a 3._o he_o omit_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o these_o man_n will_v never_o subscribe_v to_o the_o liturgy_n nor_o use_v the_o ceremony_n which_o mr._n fuller_n lib._n 9_o p._n 76._o inform_v we_o of_o that_o not_o only_o these_o fiery_a man_n as_o he_o call_v they_o but_o even_o the_o moderate_a nonconformist_n as_o mr._n fox_n mr._n laurence_n humphrey_n refuse_v to_o subscribe_v 4._o it_o be_v a_o commendable_a piece_n of_o moderation_n in_o the_o then_o bishop_n that_o they_o suffer_v these_o man_n to_o preach_v notwithstanding_o of_o their_o nonconformity_n indeed_o there_o be_v cause_n for_o it_o they_o be_v able_a and_o useful_a man_n and_o the_o church_n have_v much_o need_n of_o their_o labour_n fuller_n say_v p._n 65._o tolerability_n be_v eminency_n in_o that_o age._n a_o rush_n candle_n seem_v a_o torch_n where_o no_o bright_a light_n be_v see_v before_o where_o he_o tell_v we_o of_o a_o sheriff_n preach_v for_o want_n of_o other_o to_o do_v that_o work_n and_o how_o sorry_o he_o perform_v it_o if_o the_o present_a bishop_n will_v exercise_v the_o same_o moderation_n they_o need_v not_o to_o be_v afraid_a of_o separation_n sect._n 31._o he_o proceed_v to_o tell_v we_o that_o these_o nonconformist_a preacher_n first_o let_v fall_v their_o dislike_n of_o ceremony_n and_o gain_v ground_n they_o call_v they_o the_o livery_n of_o antichrist_n and_o inflame_v the_o people_n and_o this_o be_v the_o first_o occasion_n of_o press_a uniformity_n with_o rigour_n some_o be_v silence_v as_o kindness_n have_v make_v they_o presumptuous_a this_o make_v they_o clamorous_a mr._n fuller_n give_v another_o account_n of_o this_o matter_n p._n 76._o the_o english_a bishop_n conceive_v themselves_o impower_v by_o their_o canon_n begin_v to_o show_v their_o authority_n in_o urge_v the_o clergy_n of_o their_o diocese_n to_o subscribe_v to_o the_o liturgy_n ceremony_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n and_o such_o as_o refuse_v the_o same_o be_v brand_v with_o the_o odious_a name_n of_o puritan_n and_o p._n 81._o he_o sheweth_z how_o minister_n be_v content_v before_o b._n grindal_n one_o of_o the_o most_o moderate_a but_o press_v to_o rigour_n by_o the_o rest_n who_o ask_v they_o have_v we_o not_o a_o godly_a princess_n speak_v be_v she_o evil_a a_o question_n fit_a for_o the_o inquisitor_n in_o spain_n than_o a_o protestant_a bishop_n that_o the_o nonconformist_n preach_v against_o the_o ceremony_n be_v neither_o to_o be_v doubt_v nor_o wonder_v at_o so_o do_v our_o lord_n and_o master_n and_o his_o apostle_n paul_n it_o be_v their_o duty_n to_o teach_v people_n to_o observe_v all_o that_o christ_n have_v command_v that_o be_v their_o commission_n if_o they_o speak_v falsehood_n or_o truth_n in_o a_o undue_a manner_n they_o be_v liable_a to_o correction_n what_o our_o author_n call_v inflame_v the_o people_n other_o will_v call_v faithful_a warn_n of_o they_o against_o what_o may_v displease_v god_n and_o defile_v their_o conscience_n any_o who_o inflame_v they_o to_o unsober_a or_o unpeaceable_a principle_n or_o practice_n let_v they_o bear_v their_o blame_n i_o see_v nothing_o in_o their_o carriage_n under_o the_o bishop_n forbear_v of_o they_o that_o deserve_v the_o name_n of_o presumption_n nor_o under_o their_o suffering_n that_o shall_v be_v call_v clamorousness_n as_o the_o dr._n call_v their_o inform_v their_o friend_n at_o geneva_n how_o they_o be_v use_v but_o it_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o that_o party_n to_o use_v cruel_a severity_n against_o they_o that_o differ_v from_o they_o and_o reproach_v they_o if_o they_o say_v they_o feel_v it_o patience_n and_o stoical_a apathy_n be_v not_o the_o same_o thing_n there_o be_v nothing_o yet_o say_v by_o the_o dr._n that_o can_v cast_v the_o blame_v of_o separation_n on_o the_o nonconformist_n or_o free_v the_o bishop_n of_o it_o sect._n 32._o he_o say_v further_a p._n 19_o at_o the_o end_n about_o this_o time_n the_o dissent_v party_n be_v exasperate_v by_o silence_v some_o of_o their_o most_o zealous_a preacher_n begin_v to_o have_v separate_a meeting_n where_o they_o preach_v and_o pray_v and_o have_v the_o sacrament_n here_o we_o have_v out_o of_o the_o mouth_n of_o a_o adversary_n the_o true_a cause_n and_o original_a of_o the_o separation_n though_o somewhat_o unfavourable_o represent_v the_o cause_n of_o it_o be_v they_o can_v not_o have_v god_n ordinance_n without_o man_n invention_n their_o minister_n be_v silence_v who_o administer_v they_o pure_o and_o though_o but_o some_o of_o they_o at_o first_o be_v silence_v yet_o the_o rest_n be_v under_o the_o same_o condemnation_n by_o the_o law_n and_o daily_o expect_v the_o execution_n of_o the_o law_n on_o they_o and_o all_o the_o people_n can_v neither_o have_v the_o ordinance_n by_o those_o that_o be_v as_o yet_o unsilence_v nor_o can_v they_o live_v without_o they_o so_o that_o it_o be_v not_o exasperation_n but_o desire_v to_o wait_v on_o god_n in_o his_o own_o ordinance_n that_o make_v they_o take_v that_o course_n this_o account_n of_o it_o themselves_o give_v as_o the_o dr._n have_v it_o p._n 20._o before_o the_o bishop_n of_o london_n who_o discourse_n to_o they_o the_o dr._n relate_v unbecoming_a the_o moderation_n of_o b._n grindal_n charge_v they_o with_o lie_v pretence_n without_o any_o ground_n mention_v and_o unbecoming_a the_o learning_n of_o a_o bishop_n charge_v they_o with_o condemn_v the_o reformation_n sect._n 33._o the_o next_o thing_n he_o insist_v on_o be_v beza_n advice_n to_o the_o minister_n and_o people_n who_o though_o he_o show_v his_o dislike_n of_o the_o ceremony_n and_o advise_v the_o minister_n not_o to_o subscribe_v yet_o press_v the_o silence_a minister_n not_o to_o exercise_n their_o function_n against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o queen_n and_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o people_n to_o wait_v on_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n notwithstanding_o of_o the_o ceremony_n that_o they_o may_v by_o these_o mean_n obtain_v a_o through_o reformation_n and_o to_o minister_n he_o say_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o leave_v their_o function_n for_o the_o sake_n of_o the_o ceremony_n in_o which_o advice_n the_o dr._n do_v much_o insult_n how_o impartial_o beza_n opinion_n in_o this_o case_n be_v represent_v by_o the_o dr._n i_o know_v not_o not_o be_v able_a at_o present_a to_o get_v a_o sight_n of_o the_o book_n but_o some_o other_o citation_n already_o examine_v make_v i_o jealous_a especial_o see_v the_o dr._n make_v beza_n contradict_v himself_o for_o p._n 21._o he_o make_v he_o advise_v the_o silence_a minister_n to_o live_v private_o and_o not_o exercise_v their_o function_n against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o q._n and_o the_o bishop_n but_o p._n 22._o he_o make_v beza_n say_v to_o they_o that_o the_o ceremony_n be_v not_o of_o that_o moment_n that_o they_o shall_v leave_v their_o function_n for_o the_o sake_n of_o they_o but_o whatever_o be_v beza_n opinion_n nonconformist_n of_o old_a and_o late_a take_v the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o not_o the_o authority_n of_o man_n for_o the_o rule_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o practice_n they_o honour_v such_o as_o beza_n and_o be_v ready_a to_o receive_v instruction_n from_o they_o but_o must_v have_v leave_n to_o examine_v all_o by_o scripture_n as_o the_o beraean_o do_v the_o doctrine_n even_o of_o paul._n again_o beza_n be_v far_o from_o advise_v minister_n to_o forbear_v preach_v a_o together_o because_o restrain_v by_o the_o magistrate_n that_o principle_n never_o obtain_v among_o protestant_a divine_v and_o be_v to_o be_v examine_v afterward_o but_o he_o dislike_v their_o public_a appearance_n in_o that_o case_n which_o may_v be_v construct_v a_o defiance_n and_o contempt_n of_o the_o magistrate_n for_o they_o have_v hire_v a_o hall_n in_o london_n as_o public_a as_o any_o church_n for_o their_o meeting_n christ_n apostle_n be_v private_a with_o the_o door_n shut_v when_o they_o may_v not_o be_v public_a and_o so_o shall_v we_o and_o yet_o not_o give_v over_o
preach_v and_o hear_v when_o man_n forbid_v we_o we_o shall_v do_v it_o peaceable_o and_o inoffensive_o but_o do_v it_o notwithstanding_o for_o his_o advice_n to_o the_o people_n i_o can_v approve_v it_o yet_o do_v it_o not_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o he_o advise_v to_o conformity_n for_o the_o present_a with_o express_a mention_n of_o their_o hope_n of_o a_o further_a reformation_n which_o we_o be_v out_o of_o all_o hope_n that_o ever_o our_o clergy_n will_v yield_v to_o in_o beza_n resolution_n of_o a_o case_n mention_v by_o the_o dr._n p._n 23._o i_o desiderate_a one_o cause_n of_o separation_n from_o a_o church_n to_o wit_n impose_v unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n unless_o either_o this_o be_v comprehend_v under_o the_o right_a use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o he_o mention_v or_o such_o withdraw_a be_v not_o proper_o a_o separation_n but_o a_o be_v drive_v away_o sect._n 34._o he_o say_v this_o advice_n of_o beza_n put_v a_o effectual_a stop_n to_o the_o separation_n i_o find_v no_o such_o thing_n in_o history_n but_o rather_o the_o contrary_n the_o same_o opinion_n he_o cit_v of_o gaulter_n ep_n dedicat_fw-la in_o homil_n ad_fw-la 1._o ep._n ad_fw-la corinth_n &_o zanchie_a ep_n lib._n 2._o p._n 391._o where_o gualther_n complain_v of_o the_o lie_v and_o prejudices_fw-la against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o wish_v it_o have_v not_o be_v lie_v write_v by_o that_o party_n that_o make_v he_o write_v so_o and_o zanchie_a be_v even_o for_o ministerial_a conformity_n it_o be_v a_o easy_a thing_n to_o gather_v scrap_n and_o sentence_n out_o of_o man_n write_n that_o represent_v they_o as_o speak_v what_o they_o never_o think_v and_o nothing_o be_v more_o ordinary_a with_o this_o author_n than_o to_o persuade_v himself_o at_o least_o to_o endeavour_v to_o persuade_v his_o reader_n that_o all_o the_o world_n be_v of_o his_o opinion_n it_o be_v enough_o to_o we_o in_o this_o matter_n that_o the_o reform_a divine_n beyond_o sea_n do_v not_o use_v the_o 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church_n be_v a_o reform_a church_n even_o in_o the_o begin_n of_o queen_n eliz._n reign_n they_o be_v about_o purge_v out_o of_o the_o old_a leaven_n and_o therefore_o many_o good_a man_n who_o be_v dissatisfy_v with_o humane_a trash_n in_o the_o church_n yet_o cleaved_a to_o public_a ordinance_n notwithstanding_o till_o a_o better_a season_n shall_v appear_v for_o purge_v it_o out_o though_o i_o think_v they_o do_v better_v who_o stand_v at_o a_o great_a distance_n from_o these_o relic_n of_o superstition_n but_o we_o be_v out_o of_o expectation_n of_o reform_v of_o these_o thing_n what_o attempt_n have_v be_v make_v by_o archbishop_n laud_n bishop_n cousin_n and_o other_o to_o re-introduce_a some_o of_o the_o eject_v ceremony_n be_v not_o unknown_a and_o what_o superstitious_a gesture_n and_o practice_n be_v use_v by_o many_o without_o approbation_n of_o superior_n which_o yet_o be_v not_o impose_v but_o be_v at_o present_a a_o sort_n of_o candidate_n ceremony_n and_o stand_v in_o the_o place_n of_o the_o competentes_fw-la or_o catechumeni_fw-la wait_v for_o a_o fit_a season_n to_o be_v bring_v into_o necessary_a and_o universal_a observation_n none_o be_v ignorant_a who_o know_v any_o thing_n of_o english_a affair_n the_o advances_n that_o the_o present_a church_n of_o england_n have_v make_v towards_o popery_n not_o in_o these_o thing_n only_o but_o in_o great_a matter_n can_v be_v obscure_v by_o any_o thing_n that_o the_o dr._n have_v say_v against_o the_o book_n write_v to_o that_o purpose_n of_o which_o before_o if_o our_o ancestor_n bare_a with_o these_o foppery_n when_o they_o have_v hope_n to_o get_v they_o remove_v as_o other_o thing_n of_o the_o same_o kind_n have_v be_v a_o little_a before_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o we_o shall_v comply_v with_o they_o when_o we_o see_v they_o like_a to_o grow_v upon_o we_o yea_o when_o we_o see_v they_o make_v use_n of_o as_o a_o engine_n to_o drive_v away_o the_o best_a protestant_n that_o popery_n may_v the_o more_o easy_o re-enter_v sect._n 5._o another_o difference_n between_o our_o case_n and_o that_o of_o nonconformist_n in_o former_a time_n be_v we_o have_v be_v in_o full_a and_o quiet_a possession_n of_o the_o pure_a ordinance_n of_o god_n without_o the_o mixture_n of_o man_n invention_n as_o they_o never_o be_v therefore_o their_o use_v of_o ceremony_n be_v only_a not_o go_v forward_o but_o our_o do_v so_o be_v go_v backward_o sure_o it_o be_v not_o so_o great_a a_o fault_n in_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n to_o be_v slow_a to_o entertain_v moses_n propose_v a_o deliverance_n to_o they_o out_o of_o egypt_n as_o to_o talk_v of_o return_v back_o thither_o nor_o in_o lot_n to_o linger_v in_o sodom_n as_o in_o his_o wife_n to_o loâ—k_v back_o towards_o it_o i_o hope_v these_o comparison_n may_v be_v pardon_v not_o be_v intend_v to_o equal_a the_o evil_n to_o be_v shun_v but_o to_o illustrate_v the_o great_a evil_n of_o backslide_v than_o that_o of_o continue_v in_o a_o thing_n that_o be_v amiss_o licet_fw-la magna_fw-la componere_fw-la parviâ—_n if_o any_o objection_n be_v make_v against_o the_o way_n that_o we_o come_v into_o that_o possession_n i_o shall_v not_o dispute_v the_o truth_n of_o that_o allegation_n but_o the_o thing_n be_v our_o due_n by_o gospel-right_a we_o be_v to_o stand_v fast_o in_o the_o liberty_n wherewith_o christ_n have_v make_v we_o free_a gal._n 5._o 1._o i_o do_v not_o know_v that_o their_o freedom_n from_o ceremony_n can_v be_v defend_v at_o man_n bar_n though_o i_o be_o sure_a it_o can_v at_o god_n bar_n and_o so_o can_v we_o sect._n 6._o a_o three_o difference_n be_v at_o this_o time_n minister_n of_o ancient_a stand_n and_o approve_a usefulness_n in_o the_o work_n of_o the_o gospel_n who_o have_v receive_v ordination_n in_o the_o way_n mention_v in_o scripture_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n which_o be_v also_o the_o way_n of_o ordination_n use_v in_o most_o protestant_a church_n must_v be_v re-ordained_n otherwise_o they_o can_v be_v minister_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n nor_o the_o people_n enjoy_v the_o benefit_n of_o their_o labour_n which_o imposition_n be_v never_o hear_v of_o in_o the_o old_a church_n of_o england_n nor_o the_o need_n of_o it_o ever_o assert_v p._n martyr_n bucer_n and_o other_o that_o come_v from_o beyond_o sea_n have_v the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n give_v they_o in_o england_n as_o minister_n of_o christ_n without_o that_o neither_o be_v it_o ever_o hear_v of_o that_o i_o have_v meet_v with_o in_o any_o of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o reformation_n therefore_o people_n then_o may_v hope_v to_o enjoy_v godâ—s_a ordinance_n from_o those_o that_o dispense_v they_o pure_o which_o we_o can_v in_o your_o church_n and_o consequent_o we_o have_v more_o cause_n to_o seek_v they_o where_o they_o may_v be_v have_v than_o our_o ancestor_n have_v four_o there_o never_o be_v in_o the_o protestant_a church_n of_o england_n before_o our_o day_n such_o a_o number_n of_o the_o lord_n harvest-man_n thrust_v out_o of_o his_o work_n for_o their_o not_o comply_v with_o humane_a ceremony_n in_o god_n worship_n two_o thousand_o some_o say_v more_o in_o one_o day_n before_o they_o be_v silence_v one_o or_o two_o or_o three_o and_o that_o for_o some_o real_a or_o pretend_a personal_a misdemeanour_n for_o though_o there_o be_v a_o act_n of_o uniformity_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o queen_n eliz._n reign_n yâ—t_o nonconformist_n preach_v and_o people_n hear_v they_o but_o here_o such_o a_o number_n lay_v aside_o and_o that_o meeâ—ly_a for_o nonconformity_n and_o the_o people_n out_o of_o all_o capacity_n to_o enjoy_v pure_a ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n here_o be_v some_o more_o reason_n for_o have_v the_o ordinance_n by_o themselves_o than_o be_v before_o and_o to_o make_v this_o difference_n between_o our_o case_n and_o that_o of_o our_o ancestor_n more_o considerable_a these_o minister_n be_v silence_v by_o the_o church_n though_o cleave_v errante_fw-la we_o only_o by_o the_o magistrate_n who_o never_o pretend_v a_o power_n to_o give_v or_o take_v away_o ministerial_a authority_n five_o we_o be_v under_o the_o solemn_a oath_n of_o god_n against_o superstition_n under_o which_o head_n we_o reckon_v the_o ceremony_n which_o our_o ancestor_n be_v not_o and_o we_o can_v see_v how_o our_o use_v of_o they_o consist_v with_o our_o keep_n of_o that_o oath_n sect._n 7._o a_o three_o general_a consideration_n to_o blunt_v the_o edge_n of_o all_o this_o historical_a discourse_n of_o the_o dr_n be_v that_o the_o separation_n that_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n do_v so_o much_o oppose_v be_v quite_o another_o thing_n than_o that_o which_o he_o can_v charge_v upon_o we_o it_o be_v of_o two_o sort_n that_o of_o the_o brownist_n or_o rigid_a separatist_n who_o deny_v the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n
very_a constitution_n of_o a_o church_n in_o which_o we_o differ_v from_o they_o as_o he_o say_v p._n 33._o the_o old_a nonconformist_n do_v of_o who_o he_o say_v that_o they_o hold_v that_o nothing_o can_v justify_v separation_n from_o the_o church_n but_o such_o corruption_n which_o overthrow_v the_o be_v of_o it_o and_o he_o say_v the_o force_n of_o all_o their_o reason_n against_o the_o separation_n lay_v in_o this_o and_o the_o deny_v of_o such_o corruption_n to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n for_o prove_v of_o this_o he_o show_v that_o the_o separatist_n think_v nothing_o can_v justify_v their_o separation_n but_o that_o which_o nullify_v the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n for_o they_o mind_v nothing_o but_o a_o active_a separation_n and_o not_o that_o of_o be_v drive_v away_o by_o sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n impose_v it_o be_v true_a they_o mention_v the_o service_n as_o one_o of_o their_o plea_n for_o separation_n but_o not_o bare_o as_o unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v but_o as_o nullify_n the_o church_n which_o we_o never_o plead_v for_o what_o he_o add_v p._n 35_o etc._n etc._n that_o the_o nonconformist_n when_o they_o will_v disprove_v the_o separation_n only_o prove_v the_o church_n of_o england_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o they_o mind_v no_o more_o see_v that_o be_v to_o overturn_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o the_o adverse_a cause_n but_o do_v they_o ever_o teach_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o communicate_v with_o a_o true_a church_n in_o those_o part_n of_o her_o worship_n that_o be_v sinful_a which_o be_v the_o one_o half_a of_o the_o controversy_n that_o we_o now_o manage_v he_o insult_v much_o in_o a_o assertion_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n p._n 36._o at_o the_o end_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o such_o a_o one_o as_o from_o which_o whosoever_o witting_o and_o continual_o separate_v himself_o cut_v himself_o off_o from_o christ._n i_o may_v say_v as_o much_o as_o all_o this_o without_o give_v the_o least_o advantage_n against_o our_o cause_n for_o we_o do_v not_o separate_v ourselves_o but_o the_o door_n be_v shut_v against_o we_o by_o as_o many_o bar_n as_o they_o have_v impose_v ceremony_n which_o we_o can_v use_v without_o sin_n and_o they_o will_v not_o suffer_v we_o to_o worship_n god_n with_o they_o without_o these_o again_o we_o do_v not_o continual_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n but_o be_v ready_a and_o wait_a to_o return_v to_o communion_n with_o she_o in_o all_o ordinance_n whenever_o these_o sinful_a bar_n shall_v be_v remove_v that_o keep_v we_o out_o the_o separatist_n can_v say_v neither_o of_o these_o that_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n do_v not_o understand_v their_o assertion_n of_o such_o a_o case_n as_o we_o be_v be_v evident_a for_o they_o be_v man_n of_o so_o much_o sense_n and_o reason_n as_o that_o they_o can_v not_o imagine_v it_o impossible_a that_o any_o shall_v lawful_o withdraw_v from_o join_v with_o a_o church_n because_o of_o sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n require_v they_o can_v not_o blame_v any_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o pergamus_n to_o refrain_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o that_o church_n if_o that_o communion_n be_v deny_v to_o that_o member_n unless_o he_o will_v either_o approve_v of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o nicolaitan_n or_o at_o least_o consent_n to_o the_o tolerate_n of_o it_o such_o be_v our_o case_n we_o be_v deny_v christ_n ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n unless_o we_o will_v approve_v by_o our_o practice_n the_o ceremony_n which_o we_o judge_v sinful_a with_o what_o face_n can_v they_o blame_v we_o for_o do_v that_o which_o themselves_o put_v we_o into_o so_o great_a a_o necessity_n to_o do_v have_v we_o not_o rather_o cause_v to_o take_v up_o david_n complaint_n against_o they_o 1_o sam._n 26._o 19_o they_o have_v thrust_v we_o out_o from_o the_o inheritance_n of_o the_o lord_n say_v go_v serve_v other_o gods._n have_v it_o be_v fair_a deal_n to_o call_v david_n a_o separatist_n in_o his_o exile_n because_o he_o wait_v not_o on_o the_o temple_n service_n and_o yet_o the_o necessity_n that_o he_o be_v under_o of_o abstain_v from_o it_o be_v not_o so_o great_a as_o we_o that_o be_v bodily_a hazard_n we_o be_v soul_n hazard_n by_o sin_v against_o god._n sect._n 11._o the_o nonconformist_n reason_n that_o he_o bring_v for_o their_o assertion_n p._n 36._o prove_v no_o more_o than_o what_o be_v already_o grant_v as_o any_o that_o read_v and_o understand_v they_o may_v perceive_v what_o he_o bring_v out_o of_o jacob_n against_o johnson_n and_o ball_n against_o can_n be_v nothing_o against_o we_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v a_o true_a church_n from_o p._n 39_o he_o show_v that_o nonconformist_n hold_v that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o such_o as_o do_v overthrow_v the_o be_v and_o constitution_n of_o it_o which_o we_o willing_o yield_v to_o what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o other_o nonconformist_n p._n 40_o 41._o about_o form_n of_o prayer_n and_o the_o english_a liturgy_n shall_v be_v examine_v in_o its_o due_a place_n if_o the_o lord_n permit_v i_o know_v some_o nonconformist_n have_v have_v and_o some_o now_o have_v a_o great_a freedom_n to_o use_v it_o than_o other_o have_v but_o as_o now_o there_o be_v so_o of_o old_a there_o be_v other_o that_o can_v not_o comply_v with_o it_o what_o ever_o be_v giffard_n opinion_n about_o the_o ceremony_n be_v antichristian_a if_o he_o think_v they_o lawful_a to_o be_v use_v which_o be_v our_o question_n i_o know_v not_o why_o he_o shall_v be_v reckon_v a_o nonconformist_a but_o indeed_o there_o be_v nothing_o of_o that_o in_o what_o the_o dr._n cit_v p._n 41_o 42._o what_o he_o bring_v p._n 42_o 43_o 44_o 45_o 46_o 47._o out_o of_o several_a nonconformist_n to_o show_v that_o the_o ministry_n discipline_n and_o hierarchy_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o antichristian_a nor_o the_o church-antichrist_n we_o be_v not_o concern_v to_o disprove_v and_o the_o dr._n may_v have_v spare_v all_o this_o transcribe_v it_o be_v whole_o beside_o the_o question_n some_o thing_n he_o make_v they_o say_v that_o deserve_v a_o little_a animadversion_n but_o i_o will_v not_o now_o digress_v to_o take_v notice_n of_o they_o sect._n 12._o he_o proceed_v sect._n 12._o to_o give_v account_n of_o the_o independent_a separation_n and_o how_o it_o be_v oppose_v by_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n by_o such_o reason_n as_o will_v hold_v against_o the_o present_a separation_n i_o confess_v there_o be_v a_o present_a separation_n that_o these_o reason_n do_v hold_v against_o for_o that_o same_o separation_n do_v still_o continue_v but_o he_o do_v not_o prove_v his_o point_n unless_o he_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o these_o reason_n conclude_v that_o we_o shall_v use_v the_o ceremony_n rather_o than_o forbear_v church-communion_n with_o the_o prelatist_n but_o his_o reason_n for_o what_o he_o say_v we_o shall_v attend_v in_o their_o course_n what_o reflection_n the_o dr._n think_v to_o cast_v on_o the_o nonconformist_n by_o the_o break_n of_o brown_n church_n in_o middleborough_n and_o his_o juggle_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o god_n i_o know_v not_o this_o long_a story_n have_v either_o no_o design_n which_o i_o can_v impute_v to_o a_o man_n of_o his_o part_n or_o a_o ill_a design_n which_o i_o be_o loath_a to_o impute_v to_o one_o of_o his_o worth._n however_o it_o be_v we_o disclaim_v all_o concern_v in_o it_o there_o have_v be_v breach_n and_o apostasy_n among_o other_o as_o well_o as_o among_o nonconformist_n that_o a_o nameless_a author_n call_v brown_n preach_v private_o in_o time_n of_o the_o public_a assembly_n a_o curse_a conventicle_n it_o may_v be_v there_o be_v cause_n if_o brown_n be_v such_o a_o bad_a man_n as_o the_o dr._n make_v he_o but_o i_o know_v some_o of_o these_o meeting_n that_o the_o dr._n be_v so_o displease_v with_o be_v bless_v of_o the_o lord_n 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one_o of_o the_o new_a invention_n of_o this_o age._n this_o conclusion_n i_o easy_o yield_v to_o and_o who_o be_v the_o inventor_n and_o maintainer_n of_o the_o contrary_a i_o know_v not_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o blame_v we_o when_o we_o be_v thrust_v out_o of_o the_o church_n that_o we_o do_v not_o lie_v about_o the_o church-wall_n rather_o than_o go_v to_o another_o place_n to_o worship_n god_n by_o ourselves_o if_o we_o do_v any_o thing_n but_o what_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n command_n for_o let_v he_o blame_v we_o 3d._a conclusion_n bare_a scruple_n of_o conscience_n do_v not_o justify_v separation_n although_o it_o may_v excuse_v communion_n in_o the_o particular_n scruple_v provide_v they_o have_v use_v the_o best_a mean_n for_o a_o right_a information_n i_o do_v so_o full_o assent_v to_o this_o conclusion_n that_o i_o shall_v say_v more_o than_o the_o dr._n do_v to_o wit_n that_o bare_a scruple_n of_o conscience_n can_v excuse_v even_o communion_n in_o the_o particular_n 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conclusion_n by_o which_o he_o have_v give_v a_o sore_a blow_n to_o his_o cause_n i_o oppose_v to_o this_o regardlesness_n of_o man_n conscience_n that_o the_o dr._n seem_v to_o allow_v himself_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o excellent_a judge_n hales_n in_o his_o piece_n of_o schism_n who_o say_v that_o nothing_o absolve_v from_o the_o gild_n of_o schism_n but_o true_a and_o unpretended_a conscience_n also_o that_o require_v the_o do_v of_o a_o unlawful_a or_o suspect_a act_n be_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o refuse_v communion_n sect._n 16._o conclusion_n 4._o where_o occasional_a communion_n be_v lawful_a constant_a communion_n be_v a_o duty_n i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v of_o that_o particular_a church_n in_o which_o a_o man_n be_v a_o member_n and_o have_v his_o constant_a residence_n otherwise_o it_o be_v manifest_o false_a for_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o i_o to_o have_v occasional_a communion_n with_o the_o protestant_a church_n of_o france_n but_o that_o i_o be_o not_o constant_o bind_v to_o communicate_v in_o england_n if_o my_o occasion_n call_v i_o often_o abroad_o but_o take_v it_o in_o the_o most_o favourable_a sense_n the_o assertion_n be_v not_o true_a it_o be_v lawful_a to_o have_v occasional_a communion_n with_o a_o church_n that_o have_v one_o ordinance_n pure_a exemp_n gr._n preach_v i_o may_v as_o occasion_n serve_v join_v in_o that_o ordinance_n but_o if_o there_o be_v nothing_o else_o pure_a or_o that_o i_o can_v partake_v of_o without_o sin_n in_o that_o church_n i_o be_o oblige_v to_o look_v after_o another_o occasion_n where_o i_o may_v enjoy_v all_o god_n ordinance_n without_o sinful_a addition_n and_o have_v get_v that_o opportunity_n i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o obligation_n lie_v on_o i_o constant_o to_o hear_v in_o that_o corrupt_a church_n rather_o than_o where_o i_o enjoy_v all_o the_o ordinance_n in_o purity_n what_o he_o allege_v out_o of_o the_o assembly_n reason_n against_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n do_v not_o all_o quadrate_n with_o our_o case_n for_o the_o congregational_a man_n can_v not_o allege_v that_o any_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n be_v impose_v on_o they_o by_o the_o presbyterian_o in_o one_o ordinance_n more_o than_o another_o and_o therefore_o if_o they_o may_v join_v in_o one_o ordinance_n they_o may_v in_o all_o and_o so_o have_v no_o excuse_n from_o constant_a communion_n if_o occasional_a communion_n be_v lawful_a but_o this_o question_n about_o occasional_a and_o constant_a communion_n the_o dr._n bring_v in_o afterward_o therefore_o enough_o of_o it_o at_o present_a sect._n 17._o conclusion_n 5_o that_o withdraw_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o a_o true_a church_n and_o set_v up_o congregation_n for_o pure_a worship_n or_o under_o another_o rule_n be_v plain_a and_o downright_a separation_n as_o be_v most_o evident_a from_o the_o answer_n of_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n it_o be_v strange_a that_o this_o learned_a author_n shall_v cite_v these_o man_n for_o condemn_v our_o practice_n who_o be_v of_o the_o same_o principle_n and_o practice_n that_o we_o own_o and_o he_o be_v plead_v against_o particular_o dr._n burgess_n mr._n case_n mr._n calamy_n mr._n newcomen_fw-mi etc._n etc._n who_o he_o name_v they_o be_v neither_o such_o fool_n as_o to_o condemn_v themselves_o nor_o such_o knave_n as_o to_o blame_v other_o for_o that_o wherein_o they_o allow_v themselves_o wherefore_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o it_o be_v not_o every_o separation_n from_o a_o true_a church_n that_o they_o condemn_v for_o such_o be_v both_o innocent_a and_o necessary_a when_o a_o true_a church_n will_v impose_v sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n on_o her_o member_n but_o a_o separation_n for_o pretend_a corruption_n in_o a_o true_a church_n which_o corruption_n be_v not_o impose_v on_o the_o separater_n either_o to_o be_v practise_v or_o approve_v of_o by_o they_o and_o so_o can_v not_o become_v their_o personal_a sin._n this_o separation_n they_o condemn_v and_o that_o with_o good_a reason_n for_o where_o the_o church_n be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o no_o sin_n commit_v by_o they_o that_o join_v with_o it_o in_o their_o join_n separate_v can_v have_v no_o show_n of_o reason_n sect._n 18._o he_o infer_v sect._n 16._o from_o what_o he_o have_v say_v that_o the_o present_a practice_n of_o separation_n can_v be_v justify_v by_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n nor_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n the_o former_a i_o have_v disprove_v though_o he_o say_v â—t's_n clear_a by_o undeniable_a evidence_n the_o latter_a he_o say_v be_v in_o effect_n confess_v by_o all_o his_o adversary_n to_o make_v out_o which_o he_o cit_v in_o the_o margin_n mr._n baxter_n and_o dr._n owen_n for_o the_o latter_a no_o wonder_n he_o confess_v it_o see_v he_o be_v for_o that_o very_a separation_n which_o the_o assembly_n oppose_v and_o the_o former_a be_v yet_o alive_a to_o speak_v for_o himself_o and_o it_o be_v as_o little_a wonder_n that_o he_o shall_v say_v so_o for_o he_o deny_v that_o any_o of_o assembly_n be_v presbyterian_o i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o the_o the_o assembly_n may_v well_o assert_v that_o separation_n from_o a_o true_a church_n be_v schismatical_a the_o man_n that_o they_o debate_v against_o separate_v or_o such_o ground_n as_o either_o prove_v the_o church_n false_a or_o give_v they_o no_o colourable_a ground_n for_o that_o schism_n but_o they_o can_v not_o understand_v it_o without_o exception_n he_o take_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n p._n 75._o to_o prove_v that_o any_o difference_n that_o be_v between_o our_o separation_n and_o that_o which_o the_o assembly_n condemn_v be_v but_o in_o some_o circumstance_n that_o do_v not_o make_v the_o one_o unlawful_a and_o the_o other_o not_o but_o that_o it_o be_v otherwise_o be_v clear_a if_o we_o consider_v as_o have_v be_v say_v that_o they_o have_v no_o thing_n impose_v on_o they_o as_o duty_n and_o as_o term_n of_o communion_n which_o have_v be_v their_o personal_a sin_n to_o do_v as_o we_o have_v if_o this_o make_v not_o a_o material_a and_o pertinent_a difference_n i_o know_v not_o what_o can_v do_v it_o but_o say_v he_o the_o assembly_n use_v general_a reason_n that_o have_v equal_a force_n at_o all_o time_n ans._n these_o general_a reason_n may_v suffer_v a_o exception_n which_o they_o do_v not_o nor_o need_v not_o mention_v because_o it_o be_v not_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n nor_o do_v we_o make_v the_o difference_n to_o lie_v between_o that_o and_o this_o time_n but_o between_o their_o and_o our_o ground_n of_o non-communion_n sect._n 19_o he_o say_v it_o come_v to_o the_o same_o point_n whether_o the_o scruple_n on_o which_o man_n separate_v relate_v to_o some_o ceremony_n require_v or_o to_o other_o imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n if_o they_o be_v such_o as_o they_o pretend_v to_o a_o
necessity_n of_o separation_n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n than_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o a_o scruple_n that_o have_v ground_n for_o it_o and_o one_o that_o have_v none_o if_o he_o can_v make_v our_o scruple_n appear_v to_o be_v groundless_a as_o he_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v he_o have_v advantage_n against_o we_o ans._n 2._o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o have_v probable_a ground_n for_o a_o scruple_n and_o have_v no_o such_o ground_n be_v there_o any_o comparison_n between_o scruple_v at_o use_v religious_a ceremony_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n but_o be_v in_o general_n at_o least_o condemn_v in_o it_o and_o scruple_v at_o some_o pretend_a corruption_n that_o no_o scripture_n condemn_v ans._n 3._o if_o the_o dr_n reason_v be_v good_a either_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o none_o that_o scruple_n unless_o we_o scruple_n the_o same_o thing_n or_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o all_o that_o scruple_n the_o first_o of_o these_o exclude_v all_o christian_a forbearance_n the_o last_o he_o will_v not_o allege_v ans._n 4._o he_o mention_v imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n only_o that_o we_o may_v seem_v imposer_n as_o well_o as_o his_o party_n be_v that_o be_v unreasonable_a not_o only_o because_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n law_n for_o our_o order_n and_o discipline_n which_o he_o will_v not_o pretend_v to_o show_v for_o the_o ceremony_n but_o also_o because_o we_o can_v bear_v with_o sober_a and_o faithful_a brethren_n that_o can_v approve_v of_o all_o that_o we_o do_v which_o his_o party_n will_v not_o sect._n 20._o he_o mistake_v the_o case_n when_o he_o insinuate_v that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o but_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n to_o plead_v the_o dr._n shall_v not_o have_v allege_v this_o till_o he_o or_o some_o of_o his_o party_n have_v answer_v all_o our_o reason_n of_o scruple_v in_o many_o book_n neither_o touch_v by_o he_o or_o any_o other_o but_o now_o he_o will_v knock_v down_o our_o cause_n with_o one_o blow_n he_o say_v he_o put_v the_o case_n as_o clear_v as_o possible_a to_o prevent_v all_o subterfuge_n and_o slight_a evasion_n he_o suppose_v five_o scruple_a party_n one_o at_o the_o liturgy_n a_o second_o at_o the_o cross_n and_o kneel_a a_o three_o at_o wrong_n gather_v church_n a_o four_o at_o infant_n baptism_n a_o five_o at_o preach_v by_o set_a form_n and_o be_v stint_v by_o a_o hourglass_n and_o he_o say_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o case_n do_v not_o vary_v according_a to_o these_o if_o this_o be_v the_o dr_n herculean_a argument_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o fear_v his_o strength_n so_o much_o as_o before_o sure_o the_o learned_a dr_n part_n can_v let_v he_o see_v more_o reason_n to_o bear_v with_o sober_a and_o intelligent_a man_n who_o dare_v not_o join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o worship_v god_n by_o religious_a ceremony_n not_o institute_v by_o christ_n than_o with_o fantastic_a quaker_n who_o cast_v off_o god_n ordinance_n because_o of_o a_o hourglass_n but_o that_o his_o prejudice_n do_v in_o this_o darken_v his_o understanding_n but_o the_o tendency_n of_o his_o discourse_n seem_v to_o be_v either_o church-authority_n must_v lead_v we_o blindfold_n so_o as_o we_o must_v scruple_n nothing_o impose_v or_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n shall_v limit_v our_o fancy_n but_o we_o may_v scruple_n what_o we_o will._n he_o say_v well_o p._n 76._o and_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o he_o have_v say_v it_o if_o they_o allege_v ground_n to_o justify_v themselves_o they_o must_v do_v it_o ex_fw-la natura_fw-la rei_fw-la and_o not_o from_o the_o mere_a error_n or_o mistake_n of_o conscience_n we_o will_v most_o willing_o join_v issue_n with_o he_o on_o this_o condition_n provide_v the_o natura_fw-la rei_fw-la may_v be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o all_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v if_o he_o can_v prove_v the_o ceremony_n that_o we_o scruple_n to_o be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v use_v without_o sin_n or_o if_o we_o prove_v not_o the_o contrary_a let_v he_o call_v we_o as_o vile_a separatist_n as_o he_o please_v if_o the_o dr._n have_v please_v at_o first_o to_o hang_v the_o matter_n on_o this_o pin_n and_o not_o to_o have_v fill_v his_o book_n with_o so_o many_o citation_n to_o strengthen_v his_o cause_n with_o humane_a authority_n he_o may_v have_v save_v both_o himself_o and_o i_o all_o this_o labour_n that_o hitherto_o we_o have_v be_v at_o it_o be_v no_o great_a commendation_n either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n or_o of_o the_o sobriety_n of_o his_o church_n that_o he_o say_v shâ—_n have_v as_o much_o occasion_n cause_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v to_o judge_v their_o the_o presbyterian_o scruple_n unreasonable_a as_o they_o do_v those_o of_o the_o quaker_n what_o follow_v about_o occasional_a communion_n be_v answer_v above_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n a._n of_o the_o assemby_n be_v transport_v in_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n be_v not_o so_o derogatory_n from_o that_o venerable_a meeting_n as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o it_o be_v rare_a to_o find_v it_o otherwise_o with_o sinful_a man_n how_o many_o thing_n do_v thus_o slip_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o several_a of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v not_o approve_v but_o we_o do_v not_o hereby_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n nor_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n principle_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n not_o to_o approve_v all_o that_o man_n say_v and_o another_o thing_n to_o condemn_v the_o cause_n that_o they_o plead_v for_o sect._n 21._o our_o author_n do_v next_o undertake_v sect._n 17._o to_o show_v how_o we_o have_v desert_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o to_o private_a person_n reform_v church-discipline_n set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o the_o preach_n of_o minister_n when_o silence_v by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n and_o discipline_n he_o cit_v several_a nonconformist_n against_o it_o without_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 78_o 79_o 80_o 81_o 82._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o two_o thing_n be_v express_o in_o these_o citation_n that_o make_v what_o they_o condemn_v not_o to_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o 1._o they_o condemn_v private_a man_n endeavour_v a_o public_a reformation_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o it_o be_v thrice_o express_v p._n 81._o out_o of_o confut._n of_o the_o brownist_n now_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o a_o public_a reformation_n otherwise_o than_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o advice_n as_o we_o have_v occasion_n which_o be_v there_o also_o express_o allow_v by_o they_o but_o content_v ourselves_o to_o serve_v god_n private_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o public_o without_o sin._n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o giffard_n p._n 79._o that_o though_o every_o one_o ought_v to_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n yet_o no_o private_a person_n be_v to_o take_v on_o they_o public_a authority_n to_o reform_v if_o we_o do_v so_o blame_v we_o for_o it_o 2._o these_o nonconformist_n all_o along_o speak_v of_o private_a person_n reform_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n now_o what_o be_v do_v among_o we_o of_o that_o kind_n be_v do_v by_o minister_n who_o though_o in_o the_o state_n they_o be_v private_a person_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o that_o concern_n yet_o in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v public_a person_n and_o have_v authority_n from_o god_n to_o dispense_v his_o ordinance_n but_o i_o do_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v say_v intend_v to_o homologate_v all_o that_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o these_o nonconformist_n several_a thing_n they_o assert_v that_o can_v well_o be_v defend_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v so_o far_o as_o to_o particularize_v they_o sect._n 22._o i_o shall_v only_o say_v that_o have_v this_o principle_n of_o not_o reform_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n by_o people_n among_o themselves_o till_o the_o magistrate_n give_v countenance_n take_v always_o place_n in_o the_o world_n not_o only_a 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party_n will_v charge_v we_o as_o he_o do_v with_o obscurity_n and_o tergiversation_n in_o declare_v our_o principle_n and_o prevarication_n in_o manage_v of_o they_o we_o must_v bear_v that_o injustice_n sect._n 10._o he_o deal_v p._n 105_o 106_o 107._o with_o some_o of_o his_o adversary_n about_o their_o opinion_n how_o far_o they_o reckon_v communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n lawful_a i_o have_v â—o_o full_o set_v down_o my_o opinion_n in_o this_o and_o i_o hope_v presbyterian_o will_n general_o say_v the_o same_o thing_n though_o many_o of_o they_o may_v word_n they_o better_o that_o i_o think_v it_o not_o needful_a to_o interpose_v in_o that_o debate_n especial_o some_o position_n of_o nonconformist_n who_o he_o cit_v i_o will_v not_o defend_v he_o take_v up_o part_n of_o p._n 107_o 108_o 109._o in_o prove_v that_o occasional_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o make_v they_o who_o ordinary_o join_v in_o other_o assembly_n to_o be_v member_n 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can_v discern_v truth_n from_o error_n in_o any_o case_n or_o do_v he_o think_v dangerous_a error_n be_v discern_v to_o be_v ordinary_o preach_v people_n shall_v attend_v on_o that_o preach_a instead_o of_o the_o wholesome_a food_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o not_o seek_v better_a mean_n unless_o the_o bishop_n will_v give_v leave_n if_o he_o be_v not_o positive_a in_o all_o these_o he_o say_v nothing_o against_o mr._n b._n nor_o we_o in_o this_o matter_n sect._n 12._o the_o three_o quality_n be_v that_o minister_n be_v not_o opposer_n of_o godliness_n that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o what_o people_n will_v call_v so_o without_o cause_n nor_o of_o suspect_a malignity_n nor_o of_o open_a oppose_v of_o it_o in_o the_o man_n private_a act_n by_o word_n or_o deed_n nor_o of_o close_a hint_n in_o sermon_n against_o it_o nor_o break_v out_o sometime_o into_o more_o open_a malign_v of_o it_o but_o when_o
the_o 3d._n sort_v if_o there_o be_v no_o other_o cause_n of_o separate_n from_o he_o but_o that_o i_o think_v under_o correction_n of_o the_o more_o wise_a and_o learned_a that_o they_o shall_v rather_o cede_fw-la of_o their_o right_n with_o a_o salvo_n than_o break_v the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n or_o disoblige_v the_o magistrate_n and_o therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o give_v their_o consent_n by_o this_o mean_n their_o right_n that_o christ_n have_v give_v they_o be_v not_o alienate_v it_o be_v by_o they_o on_o that_o occasion_n assert_v and_o the_o rend_v of_o the_o church_n be_v prevent_v sect._n 15._o let_v we_o now_o hear_v what_o the_o dr._n will_v say_v to_o make_v good_a against_o we_o his_o charge_n of_o our_o separate_n on_o this_o head._n he_o say_v they_o have_v a_o legal_a establishment_n and_o law_n and_o usurpation_n be_v contrary_n ans._n establishment_n by_o a_o civil_a law_n and_o usurpation_n of_o a_o civil_a office_n be_v contrary_a also_o establishment_n by_o the_o gospel_n and_o usurpation_n of_o a_o church-office_n be_v inconsistent_a but_o establishment_n by_o a_o civil_a law_n and_o usurpation_n of_o a_o office_n in_o the_o church_n be_v very_o consistent_a one_o with_o another_o because_o the_o office_n of_o the_o ministry_n be_v no_o institution_n of_o man_n but_o of_o christ_n and_o he_o give_v law_n to_o regulate_v that_o and_o other_o affair_n in_o his_o house_n and_o have_v not_o leave_v these_o to_o be_v order_v by_o the_o law_n of_o man_n i_o think_v the_o dr._n have_v be_v for_o episcopal_a government_n in_o the_o church_n not_o for_o erastianism_n mr._n b._n be_v cite_v p._n 134._o assert_v that_o all_o that_o come_v into_o the_o place_n of_o eject_v minister_n the_o people_n not_o consent_v be_v usurper_n that_o the_o magistrate_n imposition_n make_v not_o such_o true_a pastor_n of_o that_o church_n without_o or_o before_o the_o people_n consent_n nor_o will_v it_o always_o oblige_v the_o people_n to_o consent_v and_o forsake_v their_o former_a pastor_n nor_o prove_v they_o schismatical_a because_o they_o do_v it_o not_o for_o disprove_v of_o this_o the_o dr._n first_o leave_v it_o to_o other_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o dangerous_a consequence_n of_o this_o a_o act_n be_v pass_v by_o king_n and_o parliament_n for_o remove_v of_o some_o pastor_n and_o put_v in_o other_o and_o i_o desire_v that_o these_o other_o who_o judge_n of_o this_o matter_n may_v consider_v that_o the_o order_n of_o the_o ministerial_a call_n and_o the_o fix_v a_o religion_n between_o pastor_n and_o people_n do_v fall_v direct_o under_o the_o cognizance_n and_o law_n of_o he_o who_o be_v the_o head_n and_o lawgiver_n in_o his_o church_n even_o jesus_n christ_n and_o under_o the_o law_n of_o man_n only_o as_o the_o civil_a peace_n may_v be_v concern_v therein_o and_o let_v they_o also_o consider_v that_o we_o by_o own_v or_o disow_v a_o pastoral_n relation_n which_o the_o magistrate_n have_v pass_v a_o act_n for_o or_o against_o do_v manage_v our_o principle_n and_o order_v our_o practice_n with_o that_o peaceableness_n and_o caution_n that_o the_o magistrate_n may_v as_o little_a as_o possible_a either_o know_v it_o or_o be_v offend_v at_o it_o and_o if_o we_o be_v convict_v of_o a_o transgression_n of_o the_o magistrate_n law_n we_o patient_o suffer_v the_o penalty_n let_v they_o i_o say_v consider_v these_o thing_n and_o withal_o consider_v that_o to_o differ_v from_o the_o magistrate_n in_o principle_n and_o practice_n of_o religion_n be_v the_o lot_n of_o the_o primitive_a christian_n and_o then_o let_v they_o judge_v if_o they_o be_v impartial_a man_n whether_o any_o such_o dismal_a consequence_n as_o the_o dr._n insinuate_v be_v like_a to_o follow_v sect._n 16._o he_o object_v next_o on_o those_o ground_n when_o solomon_n deprive_v abiathar_n and_o put_v zadock_n be_v his_o room_n any_o part_n of_o the_o people_n may_v have_v plead_v they_o never_o consent_v to_o zadock_n come_v in_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o king_n or_o the_o people_n ans._n there_o be_v so_o little_a shadow_n of_o reason_n or_o affinity_n to_o the_o question_n in_o hand_n in_o this_o argument_n that_o it_o be_v no_o small_a derogation_n from_o the_o understanding_n of_o so_o learned_a a_o man_n once_o to_o mention_v it_o for_o the_o choose_n of_o a_o highpriest_n belong_v neither_o to_o king_n nor_o people_n but_o the_o succession_n be_v fix_v in_o one_o family_n by_o the_o lord_n and_o it_o be_v neither_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o king_n nor_o people_n to_o choose_v any_o but_o the_o near_a heir_n of_o that_o linâ—_n wherefore_o what_o solomon_n do_v in_o this_o case_n be_v no_o more_o but_o to_o inflict_v a_o civil_a punishment_n on_o abiathar_n to_o wit_n exile_v from_o jerusalem_n where_o only_o the_o office_n of_o highpriest_n can_v be_v exercise_v and_o confinement_n to_o anathoth_n and_o this_o be_v do_v for_o his_o accession_n to_o treason_n against_o solomon_n and_o solomon_n put_v zadock_n in_o his_o place_n be_v no_o more_o but_o obey_v the_o commandment_n of_o god_n who_o have_v promise_v the_o priesthood_n to_o phinehas_n who_o near_a heir_n zadock_n be_v and_o it_o be_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o divine_n that_o abiathar'_v right_a to_o the_o priesthood_n be_v not_o so_o good_a as_o zadock_n another_o argument_n like_o the_o rest_n he_o have_v p._n 135._o be_v that_o it_o follow_v that_o a_o small_a part_n of_o the_o people_n may_v disow_v the_o public_a act_n of_o parliament_n and_o choose_v other_o governor_n in_o opposition_n to_o those_o establish_v by_o law_n and_o they_o may_v do_v it_o in_o one_o case_n as_o well_o as_o in_o another_o which_o make_v i_o wonder_v say_v he_o at_o those_o who_o dare_v call_v they_o usurper_n who_o enjoy_v their_o place_n by_o the_o same_o law_n that_o any_o man_n do_v enjoy_v their_o estate_n this_o be_v a_o confound_a of_o thing_n most_o disparate_a one_o from_o another_o a_o take_v away_o all_o distinction_n of_o civil_a and_o church_n power_n we_o utter_o deny_v his_o consequence_n that_o because_o people_n notwithstanding_o of_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n may_v adhere_v to_o their_o pastor_n therefore_o they_o may_v choose_v other_o civil_a governor_n for_o of_o these_o he_o must_v speak_v or_o speak_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n they_o may_v not_o do_v it_o in_o the_o one_o case_n as_o in_o the_o other_o because_o the_o one_o case_n be_v regulate_v by_o christ_n law_n the_o other_o by_o man_n law._n but_o i_o now_o smell_v out_o a_o mistake_n in_o the_o dr._n that_o make_v such_o choler_n and_o zeal_n against_o we_o that_o we_o count_v they_o usurper_n of_o their_o place_n that_o be_v their_o benefice_n let_v he_o no_o more_o fear_n that_o we_o own_o their_o title_n to_o these_o to_o be_v as_o good_a as_o man_n have_v to_o their_o estate_n both_o be_v disposable_a by_o the_o same_o law_n but_o all_o that_o we_o have_v say_v be_v about_o their_o usurp_a the_o charge_n of_o soul_n of_o which_o we_o assert_v two_o thing_n 1._o that_o there_o be_v no_o necessary_a connexion_n de_fw-fr facto_fw-la between_o a_o good_a title_n to_o the_o one_o and_o to_o the_o other_o though_o de_fw-fr jure_fw-la i_o mean_v divino_fw-la beneficium_fw-la sequitur_fw-la officium_fw-la 2._o that_o the_o same_o law_n may_v give_v a_o title_n to_o a_o ecclesiastic_a estate_n which_o give_v title_n to_o other_o estate_n but_o another_o law_n and_o not_o that_o must_v give_v a_o title_n to_o have_v the_o charge_n of_o soul_n and_o must_v make_v a_o relation_n between_o pastor_n and_o people_n and_o the_o reason_n of_o this_o difference_n i_o bring_v from_o that_o famous_a say_n of_o constantine_n the_o great_a to_o the_o churchman_n that_o they_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sect._n 17._o he_o have_v yet_o another_o argument_n to_o wit_n that_o this_o overthrow_v the_o reformation_n for_o the_o papist_n have_v the_o very_a same_o plea_n that_o these_o man_n have_v now_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v no_o power_n to_o dissolve_v the_o relation_n between_o they_o and_o their_o former_a church-guides_a ans._n if_o the_o dr._n will_v say_v that_o the_o popish_a clergy_n have_v no_o otherwise_o forfeit_v their_o title_n to_o the_o charge_n of_o soul_n than_o by_o the_o magistrate_n law_n than_o their_o plea_n and_o we_o be_v the_o same_o but_o i_o suppose_v he_o as_o well_o as_o we_o will_v fix_v that_o forfeiture_n on_o another_o foundation_n to_o wit_n their_o heresy_n and_o idolatry_n that_o they_o lead_v the_o people_n into_o warrant_v the_o people_n to_o withdraw_v from_o they_o as_o none_o of_o christ_n minister_n and_o disoblige_v the_o people_n from_o own_v any_o further_a relation_n to_o they_o as_o their_o pastor_n and_o this_o not_o only_o warrant_v
the_o reason_n why_o the_o orthodox_n may_v worship_n god_n apart_o from_o the_o arian_n was_z because_o it_o have_v be_v their_o sin_n to_o join_v in_o corrupt_a worship_n though_o we_o do_v not_o equal_v the_o own_n of_o the_o arian_n doctrine_n and_o use_v the_o ceremony_n yet_o we_o reckon_v the_o one_o to_o be_v sin_n as_o real_o as_o the_o other_o and_o we_o may_v not_o commit_v a_o small_a sin_n to_o enjoy_v communion_n with_o a_o church_n more_o than_o we_o may_v commit_v a_o great_a sin_n for_o that_o end_n and_o we_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n when_o we_o can_v have_v they_o with_o the_o church_n without_o sin_n more_o than_o the_o oxthodox_n be_v who_o live_v under_o the_o arian_n sect._n 3_o though_o the_o dr._n it_o seem_v have_v design_v this_o section_n for_o state_v of_o the_o question_n upon_o which_o his_o whole_a book_n be_v found_v i_o see_v no_o formal_a state_v of_o it_o concession_n be_v but_o preparatory_a to_o the_o state_v of_o a_o controversy_n except_o that_o he_o say_v he_o have_v tell_v mr._n b._n that_o all_o our_o dispute_n be_v whether_o the_o uphold_v separate_a meeting_n for_o divine_a worship_n where_o the_o doctrine_n establish_v and_o the_o substantial_a part_n of_o worship_n be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v a_o sinful_a separation_n or_o not_o this_o be_v no_o sufficient_a state_v of_o the_o controversy_n between_o the_o prelatist_n and_o dissenter_n about_o separation_n two_o thing_n in_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_o clear_a and_o some_o thing_n needful_a to_o be_v mind_v in_o our_o present_a controversy_n be_v leave_v out_o the_o first_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o clear_a be_v that_o he_o will_v not_o allow_v any_o fault_n in_o doctrine_n to_o justify_v separation_n but_o what_o be_v in_o the_o establish_v doctrine_n that_o be_v either_o that_o which_o be_v contain_v in_o the_o church_n confession_n of_o faith_n or_o be_v settle_v by_o law._n but_o it_o be_v evident_a there_o may_v be_v such_o fault_n in_o doctrine_n as_o may_v make_v they_o that_o regard_v their_o soul_n health_n withdraw_v from_o a_o church_n which_o be_v not_o here_o comprehend_v that_o be_v when_o gross_a error_n be_v common_o teach_v contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n contain_v in_o the_o public_a confession_n of_o faith_n and_o which_o be_v establish_v by_o law_n that_o this_o be_v a_o case_n supposeable_a yea_o that_o it_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v suppose_v with_o reference_n to_o our_o controversy_n appear_v in_o that_o it_o be_v most_o common_a in_o england_n for_o minister_n who_o have_v subscribe_v the_o 39_o article_n to_o teach_v doctrine_n quite_o contrary_a to_o they_o as_o i_o observe_v above_o it_o be_v no_o rarity_n for_o unconscientious_a man_n to_o subscribe_v to_o whatever_o be_v impose_v rather_o than_o lose_v a_o benefice_n and_o mean_a while_n to_o hold_v and_o teach_v what_o they_o please_v notwithstanding_o of_o such_o subscription_n now_o if_o a_o church_n shall_v become_v so_o corrupt_a that_o heresy_n be_v common_o teach_v though_o the_o orthodox_n faith_n be_v establish_v ought_v not_o people_n to_o withdraw_v from_o that_o church_n or_o if_o many_o teach_v dangerous_a doctrine_n contrary_a to_o establish_a truth_n ought_v not_o people_n withdraw_v from_o such_o teacher_n especial_o when_o there_o be_v no_o way_n to_o get_v this_o unsound_a teach_n remove_v or_o restrain_v sect._n 4._o another_o thing_n in_o the_o dr_n state_n of_o the_o question_n be_v unclear_a to_o wit_n that_o where_o the_o substantial_a part_n of_o worship_n be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v right_a there_o shall_v be_v no_o separation_n what_o he_o mean_v by_o these_o be_v a_o controversy_n itself_o and_o he_o be_v at_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n to_o clear_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o this_o term_n part._n 3._o p._n 334._o whither_o i_o refer_v the_o debate_n with_o he_o about_o it_o but_o what_o if_o any_o part_n of_o worship_n be_v unlawful_a call_v it_o substantial_a or_o circumstantial_a or_o what_o he_o will_v or_o what_o if_o something_o be_v annex_v to_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n which_o be_v sinful_a but_o yet_o so_o peremptory_o impose_v as_o none_o shall_v worship_v god_n without_o it_o i_o ask_v the_o dr._n whether_o in_o this_o case_n we_o may_v separate_v though_o we_o scruple_n not_o any_o part_n of_o that_o worship_n that_o he_o be_v please_v to_o call_v substantial_a worship_n sect._n 5._o some_o thing_n be_v also_o leave_v out_o by_o the_o dr._n in_o his_o state_v of_o the_o controversy_n which_o be_v needful_a to_o have_v be_v mind_v as_o one_a to_o clear_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o separation_n i_o have_v above_o show_v that_o sometime_o they_o that_o be_v charge_v with_o separation_n be_v mere_o passive_a in_o it_o sometime_o they_o be_v active_a the_o first_o be_v when_o the_o church_n cast_v they_o out_o because_o they_o can_v submit_v to_o her_o imposition_n the_o second_o when_o they_o take_v offence_n at_o something_o in_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o leave_v she_o but_o be_v not_o cast_v out_o by_o she_o but_o have_v free_a and_o peaceable_a access_n to_o all_o her_o ordinance_n in_o the_o first_o case_n which_o be_v we_o if_o they_o causeless_o scruple_n at_o the_o imposition_n they_o may_v be_v charge_v with_o ignorance_n or_o error_n of_o conscience_n or_o peevishness_n and_o wilfulness_n but_o how_o they_o can_v be_v charge_v with_o separation_n i_o know_v not_o more_o than_o a_o banish_a man_n can_v be_v blame_v as_o a_o fugitive_n from_o his_o country_n and_o if_o they_o have_v good_a cause_n to_o scruple_n the_o imposition_n i_o see_v not_o how_o any_o blame_n can_v be_v fix_v on_o they_o at_o all_o 2._o he_o shall_v have_v show_v whether_o by_o separation_n he_o mean_v cast_v off_o all_o tie_n to_o have_v communion_n with_o that_o church_n more_o than_o with_o another_o church_n that_o profess_v the_o true_a faith_n as_o a_o man_n or_o company_n that_o live_v in_o holland_n have_v no_o more_o tie_n to_o communicate_v in_o england_n than_o in_o france_n etc._n etc._n or_o a_o present_a forbear_n of_o communion_n because_o of_o sinful_a term_n with_o own_v a_o obligation_n to_o communicate_v with_o this_o church_n when_o these_o bar_n shall_v be_v remove_v in_o the_o one_o case_n all_o relation_n to_o that_o church_n in_o particular_a be_v cast_v off_o in_o the_o other_o not_o so_o it_o be_v but_o a_o suspending_a the_o exercise_n of_o communion_n as_o a_o church-member_n not_o a_o disow_a it_o or_o cast_v it_o off_o sect._n 6._o he_o be_v defective_a in_o mention_v no_o other_o allege_a ground_n of_o separation_n but_o false_a doctrine_n establish_v or_o wrong_v substantial_a part_n as_o he_o call_v they_o of_o worship_n he_o know_v little_a of_o the_o controversy_n that_o he_o manage_v if_o he_o know_v not_o that_o other_o ground_n be_v allege_v and_o therefore_o it_o have_v be_v fair_a to_o have_v fix_v the_o 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thing_n real_o evil_a or_o only_o fancy_v to_o be_v such_o and_o again_o whether_o the_o evil_a of_o they_o be_v such_o as_o will_v bear_v the_o weight_n of_o separation_n sect._n 7._o i_o shall_v then_o endeavour_v to_o state_n the_o question_n more_o full_o and_o clear_o than_o the_o dr._n have_v do_v there_o be_v indeed_o divers_a question_n on_o which_o this_o question_n about_o separation_n do_v depend_v and_o therefore_o our_o controversy_n can_v be_v represent_v in_o one_o single_a question_n to_o which_o a_o affirmative_a or_o negative_a answer_n will_v suffice_v it_o be_v then_o 1._o a_o great_a part_n of_o our_o controversy_n see_v the_o liturgy_n as_o to_o the_o frame_n of_o it_o and_o ceremony_n be_v by_o the_o clergy_n think_v indifferent_a and_o so_o unnecessary_a that_o god_n may_v be_v acceptable_o worship_v without_o they_o and_o the_o
dissenter_n think_v they_o unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v and_o be_v able_a to_o make_v it_o appear_v by_o good_a reason_n that_o it_o be_v not_o humour_n but_o conscience_n that_o move_v they_o so_o to_o think_v whether_o they_o shall_v impose_v these_o on_o the_o dissenter_n and_o so_o force_v they_o either_o to_o separate_v or_o sin_n against_o their_o conscience_n 2._o it_o be_v a_o part_n of_o our_o controversy_n and_o that_o indeed_o on_o which_o it_o main_o hang_v whether_o to_o worship_n god_n by_o the_o liturgy_n and_o with_o the_o seremony_n be_v a_o worship_n acceptable_a to_o he_o or_o such_o as_o he_o will_v reject_v if_o he_o will_v approve_v they_o to_o be_v acceptable_a worship_n yea_o lawful_a to_o be_v use_v all_o our_o other_o question_n will_v cease_v 3._o suppose_v they_o to_o be_v unacceptable_a worship_n as_o the_o nonconformist_n believe_v and_o suppose_v they_o to_o be_v so_o impose_v by_o the_o church_n as_o we_o can_v enjoy_v god_n ordinance_n without_o they_o with_o the_o church_n the_o question_n be_v whether_o we_o shall_v choose_v to_o use_v they_o or_o forbear_v the_o ordinance_n with_o the_o church_n 4._o it_o be_v yet_o another_o question_n suppose_v the_o unlawfulness_n of_o use_v they_o and_o impossibility_n of_o join_v with_o the_o church_n without_o they_o whether_o we_o ought_v to_o live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n or_o keep_v separate_v meeting_n where_o we_o may_v enjoy_v god_n ordinance_n without_o sinful_a mixture_n of_o man_n invention_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o several_a other_o question_n may_v fall_v in_o while_o we_o be_v debate_v these_o but_o these_o be_v the_o main_a point_n in_o difference_n between_o our_o brethren_n and_o us._n some_o have_v not_o unfit_o though_o not_o so_o full_o comprise_v all_o the_o controversy_n in_o this_o question_n whether_o we_o ought_v to_o worship_n god_n only_o according_a to_o the_o prescript_n of_o his_o word_n or_o may_v do_v it_o by_o the_o tradition_n of_o man_n sect_n v_o the_o dr_n argument_n examine_v for_o occasional_a communion_n have_v state_v the_o question_n he_o be_v resolve_v to_o make_v the_o charge_n of_o separation_n against_o all_o the_o dissenter_n and_o one_a against_o those_o that_o deny_v constant_a communion_n to_o be_v a_o duty_n wherever_o occasional_a communion_n be_v lawful_a 2._o against_o they_o that_o hold_v all_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n unlawful_a he_o insist_v on_o the_o one_a sect._n 16._o etc._n etc._n there_o be_v here_o also_o need_v of_o clear_a state_v of_o this_o question_n which_o i_o have_v do_v above_o and_o here_o resume_v it_o brief_o occasional_a communion_n be_v either_o in_o some_o duty_n or_o in_o all_o duty_n and_o so_o be_v constant_a communion_n i_o hope_v he_o do_v not_o mean_a that_o they_o who_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o communicate_v with_o the_o church_n in_o some_o ordinance_n as_o preach_v prayer_n etc._n etc._n be_v consequent_o to_o that_o oblige_a to_o think_v it_o lawful_a to_o communicate_v with_o they_o in_o all_o ordinance_n because_o they_o have_v annex_v unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n to_o some_o ordinance_n and_o not_o to_o other_o the_o question_n than_o be_v whether_o they_o who_o because_o they_o can_v enjoy_v all_o the_o ordinance_n without_o sin_n in_o the_o public_a assembly_n and_o yet_o think_v they_o may_v enjoy_v some_o of_o they_o without_o sin_n and_o have_v for_o enjoy_v all_o god_n ordinance_n without_o sin_n set_v up_o a_o meeting_n apart_o from_o the_o church_n for_o that_o end_n whether_o i_o say_v such_o be_v oblige_v constant_o to_o attend_v these_o ordinance_n in_o the_o public_a assembly_n where_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n in_o their_o join_n in_o to_o make_v the_o thing_n plain_o by_o instance_n we_o may_v lawful_o hear_v sermon_n by_o the_o conformist_n and_o do_v not_o shun_v to_o do_v it_o occasional_o but_o they_o have_v annex_v such_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n to_o the_o sacrament_n and_o sometime_o 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nonconformity_n by_o the_o canon_n as_o the_o dr._n confess_v though_o he_o labour_v to_o palliate_v the_o matter_n praef._n p._n 74._o and_o part._n 3._o p._n 367._o and_o many_o of_o we_o yea_o most_o of_o we_o in_o many_o place_n excommunicate_v by_o name_n and_o prosecute_v with_o such_o severity_n that_o we_o may_v not_o be_v see_v in_o public_a it_o be_v strange_a that_o they_o shall_v cast_v we_o out_o of_o their_o communion_n and_o at_o the_o same_o time_n blame_v we_o for_o forbear_v their_o communion_n 2._o this_o partial_a communion_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v have_v we_o constant_o use_v can_v neither_o satisfy_v the_o law_n of_o the_o state_n which_o he_o lay_v so_o much_o stress_n on_o in_o church-matter_n nor_o of_o the_o church_n there_o be_v no_o law_n for_o hear_v of_o sermon_n but_o only_o for_o wait_v on_o the_o service_n and_o sacrament_n from_o which_o they_o have_v exclude_v we_o by_o their_o imposition_n why_o then_o shall_v they_o blame_v we_o for_o forbear_v that_o communion_n with_o they_o which_o themselves_o lay_v so_o little_a weight_n on_o while_o they_o have_v exclude_v we_o from_o that_o which_o they_o count_v church-communion_n so_o as_o the_o dr._n himself_o reckon_v hear_v a_o sermon_n not_o to_o be_v 3._o be_v by_o their_o unlawful_a imposition_n necessitate_v to_o have_v meeting_n and_o pastor_n for_o administration_n of_o all_o god_n ordinance_n we_o think_v ourselves_o more_o oblige_v to_o wait_v constant_o on_o hear_v of_o the_o word_n in_o those_o meeting_n and_o from_o those_o pastor_n than_o in_o the_o assemble_v which_o we_o be_v so_o necessitate_v to_o leave_v or_o rather_o be_v drive_v from_o for_o a_o time_n sect._n 3_o in_o order_n to_o prove_v his_o opinion_n about_o occasional_a communion_n the_o dr._n undertake_v to_o make_v out_o 1._o that_o bare_a occasional_a communion_n do_v not_o excuse_v from_o the_o gild_n of_o separation_n 2._o that_o as_o far_o as_o occasional_a communion_n with_o our_o church_n be_v allow_v to_o be_v lawful_a constant_a communion_n be_v a_o duty_n the_o first_o of_o these_o we_o be_v little_o concern_v to_o dispute_v with_o he_o we_o bring_v other_o ground_n to_o clear_v ourselves_o of_o the_o gild_n of_o separation_n that_o he_o lay_v on_o we_o neither_o do_v i_o see_v how_o that_o by_o itself_o can_v do_v it_o if_o we_o have_v no_o cause_n to_o forbear_v constant_a communion_n we_o can_v satisfy_v the_o obligation_n that_o lie_v on_o we_o to_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n by_o communion_n with_o she_o now_o and_o then_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o the_o presbyterian_o as_o he_o say_v be_v not_o satisfy_v with_o occasional_a communion_n grant_v to_o they_o by_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n because_o they_o see_v no_o just_a cause_n of_o their_o deny_v constant_a communion_n which_o if_o we_o can_v show_v in_o our_o case_n we_o be_v indeed_o faulty_a i_o have_v above_o show_v how_o we_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n and_o how_o not_o and_o do_v not_o plead_v that_o occasional_a communion_n make_v one_o a_o member_n but_o i_o hope_v it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o with_o protestation_n of_o the_o ground_n on_o which_o we_o own_v it_o will_v show_v that_o we_o do_v not_o cast_v off_o all_o sort_n of_o membership_n with_o the_o church_n and_o it_o may_v excuse_v from_o the_o tantum_fw-la though_o not_o from_o the_o totum_fw-la of_o separation_n as_o i_o believe_v it_o do_v in_o the_o independent_n compare_v with_o the_o brownist_n in_o reference_n to_o the_o presbyterian_o which_o the_o dr._n instance_v for_o his_o discourse_n against_o mr._n b._n for_o be_v eighteen_o year_n without_o administer_a or_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n and_o yet_o preach_v what_o evil_a be_v in_o it_o or_o in_o other_o instance_n of_o this_o nature_n will_v be_v charge_v on_o his_o party_n who_o deprive_v we_o of_o the_o ordinance_n of_o
as_o to_o study_v the_o one_o be_v to_o study_v the_o other_o also_o and_o neglect_v the_o one_o be_v to_o neglect_v the_o other_o if_o he_o say_v they_o be_v not_o why_o do_v he_o here_o conjoin_v they_o will_v not_o the_o study_n of_o peace_n answer_v this_o injunction_n of_o the_o apostle_n without_o uniformity_n if_o he_o say_v they_o be_v it_o be_v easy_a to_o prove_v the_o contrary_a for_o not_o only_o we_o have_v peace_n and_o unity_n with_o other_o church_n though_o not_o uniformity_n but_o the_o church_n of_o england_n allow_v a_o difformity_n within_o herself_o to_o wit_n between_o cathedral_n and_o parochial_a service_n and_o yet_o i_o hope_v she_o allow_v no_o schism_n nor_o breach_n of_o unity_n or_o will_v the_o dr._n say_v that_o the_o apostle_n here_o injoin_v uniformity_n among_o all_o particular_a assembly_n in_o a_o church_n except_o in_o cathedral_n i_o confess_v it_o be_v like_a he_o do_v not_o mind_v their_o uniformity_n for_o he_o know_v no_o such_o distinction_n of_o church_n or_o officer_n on_o who_o it_o depend_v under_o the_o new_a testament_n sect._n 8._o i_o ask_v second_o what_o sort_n of_o uniformity_n do_v he_o think_v the_o apostle_n do_v here_o enjoin_v if_o in_o doctrine_n institute_v worship_n holy_a conversation_n and_o such_o like_a i_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v our_o duty_n to_o study_v it_o but_o if_o in_o the_o same_o form_n and_o word_n of_o prayer_n in_o the_o same_o religious_a institute_v ceremony_n yea_o or_o in_o all_o the_o same_o circumstance_n let_v he_o prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n mean_v any_o such_o thing_n for_o we_o deny_v it_o and_o it_o be_v general_o hold_v that_o the_o ancient_a church_n which_o the_o dr._n think_v can_v not_o possible_o so_o soon_o degenerate_a from_o apostolic_a practice_n be_v very_o various_a and_o not_o uniform_a in_o her_o rite_n and_o custom_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o daillie_n right_a use_n of_o the_o father_n lib._n 2._o p._n 148._o but_o much_o more_o full_o in_o the_o dr_n own_o irenicum_fw-la p._n 65_o 66._o he_o must_v be_v a_o great_a stranger_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o take_v not_o notice_n of_o the_o great_a diversity_n of_o rite_n and_o custom_n use_v in_o particular_a church_n without_o any_o censure_v of_o those_o that_o differ_v from_o they_o or_o if_o any_o by_o inconsiderate_a zeal_n do_v proceed_v so_o far_o as_o the_o dr._n and_o other_o now_o do_v how_o ill_o it_o be_v resent_v by_o other_o christian_n a_o great_a deal_n more_o to_o that_o purpose_n be_v excellent_o there_o say_v but_o o_o quantum_fw-la mutatus_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la we_o deny_v that_o uniformity_n such_o as_o that_o our_o brother_n use_v to_o plead_v so_o hot_o for_o be_v any_o part_n of_o the_o apostle_n meaning_n and_o therefore_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o dr_n argument_n from_o this_o text._n sect._n 9_o i_o do_v in_o the_o three_o place_n ready_o acknowledge_v that_o the_o apostle_n here_o design_v to_o engage_v christian_n as_o far_o as_o they_o can_v attain_v by_o their_o understanding_n of_o what_o be_v their_o duty_n and_o as_o far_o as_o they_o can_v lawful_o do_v to_o study_v peace_n and_o unity_n as_o with_o all_o man_n so_o with_o the_o church_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n but_o how_o do_v this_o prove_v constant_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n to_o be_v our_o duty_n for_o if_o he_o mean_v constant_a communion_n in_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n we_o have_v not_o attain_v so_o far_o we_o see_v not_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o use_n of_o these_o much_o less_o of_o the_o constant_a use_n of_o they_o and_o therefore_o the_o apostle_n do_v not_o enjoin_v we_o to_o study_v peace_n and_o unity_n that_o way_n i_o shall_v rather_o think_v that_o a_o concludent_fw-la argument_n may_v be_v bring_v from_o this_o text_n to_o persuade_v our_o brethren_n to_o study_v the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n by_o not_o press_v we_o with_o these_o thing_n nor_o force_v we_o to_o withdraw_v from_o 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that_o neither_o 5._o the_o defect_n and_o fault_n that_o be_v in_o the_o call_v of_o the_o minister_n and_o in_o their_o personal_a conversation_n their_o plurality_n and_o non-residences_a and_o several_a thing_n of_o that_o nature_n we_o complain_v of_o and_o the_o insufficiency_n of_o many_o of_o they_o but_o do_v not_o separate_v for_o these_o while_o the_o ordinance_n be_v not_o corrupt_v that_o we_o partake_v of_o 6._o the_o surplice_n and_o other_o superstitious_a habit_n worship_v towards_o the_o east_n bow_v to_o the_o altar_n and_o suchlike_a we_o dare_v not_o approve_v nor_o practice_v yet_o these_o not_o be_v impose_v as_o term_n of_o our_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n we_o do_v not_o separate_v on_o account_n of_o they_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o these_o i_o do_v not_o now_o debate_v nor_o be_v it_o needful_a at_o all_o to_o do_v it_o in_o reference_n to_o the_o point_n of_o separation_n that_o the_o dr._n charge_v we_o with_o yet_o they_o be_v thing_n wherein_o we_o dissent_v from_o our_o brethren_n i_o shall_v not_o shun_v to_o dispute_v such_o of_o they_o with_o the_o dr._n as_o his_o follow_a discourse_n shall_v give_v occasion_n for_o sect._n 3_o there_o be_v a_o three_o sort_n of_o thing_n that_o we_o dislike_v in_o the_o episcopal_a church_n of_o england_n which_o not_o only_o be_v matter_n of_o grievance_n but_o do_v necessitate_v we_o and_o justify_v we_o in_o it_o to_o depart_v from_o her_o communion_n till_o these_o letts_n be_v remove_v and_o they_o be_v of_o two_o sort_n 1._o the_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n with_o she_o thaâ—_n she_o require_v of_o we_o without_o which_o she_o will_v not_o suffer_v we_o to_o partake_v with_o she_o in_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n as_o that_o we_o must_v worship_v god_n by_o the_o liturgy_n that_o our_o child_n when_o baptize_v must_v be_v sign_v with_o the_o cross_n that_o we_o must_v kneâ—l_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n that_o we_o must_v observe_v the_o holiday_n that_o she_o have_v appoint_v out_o christ_n never_o institute_v these_o thing_n we_o think_v unlawful_a to_o be_v do_v and_o the_o church_n though_o she_o think_v they_o indifferent_a and_o unnecessary_a in_o themselves_o yet_o have_v make_v they_o necessary_a by_o her_o impose_v they_o and_o excommunicate_v and_o persecute_v we_o if_o we_o will_v not_o use_v they_o and_o therefore_o a_o part_n from_o she_o on_o these_o account_n do_v necessary_o follow_v not_o only_o because_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o live_v without_o god_n ordinance_n which_o we_o can_v have_v with_o our_o brethren_n but_o because_o if_o we_o will_v do_v so_o they_o will_v still_o persecute_v we_o if_o we_o come_v not_o to_o the_o liturgy_n if_o we_o have_v not_o our_o child_n baptize_v if_o we_o do_v not_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n thrice_o a_o year_n and_o especial_o at_o easter_n if_o we_o do_v not_o observe_v the_o holiday_n a_o second_o thing_n that_o lay_v a_o necessity_n on_o we_o to_o have_v meeting_n 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different_a testimony_n of_o antiquity_n the_o succession_n of_o bishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v hereby_o secure_v for_o which_o irenaeus_n tertullian_n and_o cyprian_a stand_n and_o with_o this_o consist_v all_o that_o jerom_n and_o epiphemus_fw-la say_v of_o the_o different_a settlement_n of_o church_n at_o first_o to_o all_o this_o i_o repone_v these_o few_o thing_n 1._o is_n be_v most_o false_a that_o the_o apostle_n manage_v church_n government_n by_o themselves_o while_o they_o live_v the_o contrary_n i_o have_v prove_v as_o to_o ordination_n and_o excommunication_n in_o corintâ—_n and_o thâ—ssalâ—niâ—a_n that_o these_o be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o ordinary_a officer_n though_o superintended_a by_o the_o apostle_n 2._o that_o they_o settle_a bishop_n any_o where_o either_o in_o their_o own_o time_n or_o leave_v order_n for_o it_o to_o be_v do_v after_o their_o decease_n be_v also_o false_a the_o incontroullable_n evidence_n of_o it_o that_o the_o dr._n talk_v of_o be_v assert_v duro_fw-la ore_fw-la for_o he_o know_v it_o be_v controul_v beyond_o what_o he_o or_o any_o man_n can_v refute_v to_o wit_n that_o tim._n and_o tit._n be_v no_o diocesan_n bishop_n be_v prove_v by_o our_o writer_n and_o all_o the_o argument_n that_o be_v bring_v for_o their_o be_v such_o full_o answer_v this_o confidence_n without_o argument_n be_v unbecoming_a so_o learned_a a_o man_n he_o hint_v a_o argument_n for_o his_o assertion_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o care_n of_o government_n be_v a_o distinct_a thing_n from_o the_o office_n of_o a_o evangelist_n this_o we_o deny_v the_o office_n of_o a_o evangelist_n be_v to_o teach_v or_o govern_v by_o a_o deputation_n from_o the_o apostle_n he_o say_v thâ—ir_a remove_n do_v not_o invalidate_v this_o because_o while_o the_o apostle_n live_v there_o be_v no_o fix_a bishop_n or_o but_o few_o i_o wish_v he_o have_v instance_a in_o one_o he_o confess_v by_o this_o tim._n and_o tit._n be_v not_o such_o and_o for_o unfixed_a bishop_n we_o read_v of_o none_o such_o either_o in_o scripture_n or_o antiquity_n 3._o neither_o can_v this_o reconcile_v the_o testimony_n of_o antiquity_n as_o he_o will_v have_v it_o for_o it_o do_v not_o answer_v what_o jerom_n augustine_n chrisostom_n and_o other_o say_v of_o the_o divine_a institution_n of_o parity_n neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o irenaeus_n tertulian_n and_o cyprian_a be_v for_o diocesan_n bishop_n sect._n 14._o the_o dr._n proceed_v now_o sect._n 14._o to_o the_o three_o thing_n that_o he_o have_v undertake_v to_o prove_v p._n 244_o to_o wit_n that_o the_o restraint_n of_o discipline_n in_o our_o parochial_a church_n do_v not_o overthrow_v their_o constitution_n in_o this_o i_o shall_v not_o oppose_v he_o and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v only_o consider_v this_o matter_n as_o a_o grievance_n and_o consider_v what_o he_o say_v in_o justification_n of_o it_o and_o not_o as_o a_o ground_n of_o separation_n and_o shall_v pass_v over_o what_o he_o say_v that_o be_v of_o that_o tendency_n he_o say_v presbyter_n have_v power_n in_o admission_n to_o the_o lord_n supper_n because_o none_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v but_o such_o as_o be_v confirm_v or_o be_v ready_a and_o desirous_a to_o be_v confirm_v and_o presbyter_n be_v judge_n in_o that_o because_o they_o be_v to_o send_v a_o list_n of_o the_o name_n of_o the_o person_n to_o be_v confirm_v to_o the_o bishop_n who_o be_v to_o confirm_v they_o and_o this_o he_o say_v will_v if_o right_o observe_v keep_v as_o much_o purity_n in_o that_o ordinance_n as_o be_v pretend_v to_o in_o the_o separate_a congregation_n ans._n this_o be_v a_o poor_a fence_n for_o the_o table_n of_o the_o lord_n for_o if_o one_o be_v ready_a to_o be_v confirm_v the_o presbyter_n can_v keep_v he_o back_o though_o he_o be_v not_o list_v by_o the_o presbyter_n nor_o confirm_v by_o the_o bistop_n and_o we_o know_v many_o of_o the_o worst_a of_o man_n be_v ready_a for_o it_o again_o when_o one_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o presbyter_n consent_n if_o he_o prove_v never_o so_o profane_a or_o careless_a the_o presbyter_n can_v debar_v he_o the_o bishop_n confirmation_n admit_v he_o let_v he_o do_v what_o he_o will._n i_o hope_v separate_a meeting_n will_v not_o admit_v every_o one_o to_o the_o lord_n table_n that_o be_v a_o church_n member_n when_o they_o fall_v into_o gross_a sin_n 2._o it_o be_v no_o good_a way_n of_o defend_v the_o presbyter_n power_n in_o manage_v of_o christ_n ordinance_n to_o say_v that_o his_o testimony_n be_v to_o be_v take_v about_o admit_v person_n to_o a_o ordinance_n that_o christ_n never_o institute_v to_o wit_n confirmation_n 3._o this_o be_v no_o great_a evidence_n of_o church_n authority_n in_o the_o presbyter_n that_o his_o testimony_n be_v take_v by_o the_o bishop_n in_o order_n to_o admission_n it_o be_v the_o bishop_n not_o the_o presbyter_n that_o authoritative_o admit_v 4._o it_o be_v a_o odd_a way_n of_o admission_n to_o god_n ordinance_n not_o precedent_v in_o scripture_n nor_o pure_a antiquity_n that_o one_o man_n shall_v judge_v of_o the_o fitness_n of_o a_o person_n to_o be_v admit_v and_o another_o shall_v admit_v he_o the_o bishop_n must_v act_v implicit_o and_o the_o presbyter_n be_v only_o his_o informer_n where_o this_o way_n of_o discipline_n have_v its_o use_n we_o know_v the_o dr._n have_v yet_o say_v nothing_o to_o vindicate_v the_o power_n that_o christ_n give_v to_o his_o minister_n or_o to_o justify_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n sect._n 15._o next_o sect._n 15._o he_o speak_v of_o the_o presbyte_n power_n in_o reject_v these_o for_o scandal_n that_o have_v be_v church_n member_n and_o show_v out_o of_o the_o rubric_n before_o the_o communion_n that_o the_o parochial_a minister_n may_v advertise_v a_o scandalous_a sinner_n not_o to_o come_v to_o the_o lord_n table_n till_o he_o repent_v and_o amend_v and_o if_o he_o continue_v obstinate_a â—e_n may_v repel_v he_o from_o the_o communion_n yet_o so_o as_o within_o fourteen_o day_n he_o give_v account_n to_o the_o ordinary_a ans._n this_o be_v far_o from_o amount_v to_o the_o power_n that_o christ_n give_v to_o his_o minister_n for_o 1._o by_o what_o law_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o presbyter_n accountable_a to_o the_o bishop_n more_o than_o the_o bishop_n be_v accountable_a to_o he_o christ_n make_v they_o equal_a 2._o i_o see_v no_o reason_n why_o a_o presbyter_n by_o himself_o shall_v have_v power_n to_o debar_v any_o it_o shall_v be_v do_v by_o presbyter_n in_o common_a the_o new_a testament_n know_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o excommunication_n either_o great_a or_o lesser_a by_o a_o single_a person_n except_o it_o be_v by_o a_o apostle_n but_o our_o bishop_n think_v they_o have_v such_o a_o plenitude_n of_o power_n that_o they_o may_v delegate_v as_o much_o of_o it_o as_o they_o please_v to_o any_o other_o person_n 3._o i_o see_v the_o dr._n be_v at_o a_o stand_n what_o sort_n of_o censure_n this_o act_n of_o the_o parochial_a minister_n be_v it_o be_v not_o the_o great_a excommunication_n and_o he_o confess_v p._n 277._o that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o lesser_a excommunication_n use_v in_o this_o church_n i_o deny_v it_o not_o to_o be_v a_o church_n censure_n but_o it_o be_v not_o such_o as_o argue_v that_o power_n of_o discipline_n in_o the_o inflict_a of_o it_o that_o christ_n have_v give_v to_o all_o his_o minister_n to_o be_v exercise_v by_o they_o in_o common_a the_o dr._n infer_v p._n 278._o from_o the_o power_n of_o the_o presbyter_n that_o our_o church_n do_v not_o deprive_v they_o of_o all_o the_o necessary_a and_o essential_a part_n of_o church_n discipline_n but_o if_o it_o deprive_v they_o of_o any_o such_o part_n in_o which_o they_o may_v not_o meddle_v it_o take_v away_o that_o power_n that_o christ_n have_v give_v they_o it_o be_v a_o fine_a apology_n for_o episcopal_a usurpation_n that_o they_o suffer_v a_o presbyter_n as_o their_o delegate_v and_o as_o he_o will_v be_v accountable_a to_o they_o to_o do_v some_o act_n that_o they_o themselves_o can_v attend_v whereas_o christ_n give_v no_o more_o power_n to_o a_o bishop_n than_o to_o any_o of_o the_o presbyter_n sect._n 16._o mr._n b._n object_v to_o the_o dr._n that_o it_o be_v actionable_a by_o law_n if_o a_o parish_n minister_n admonish_v a_o person_n by_o name_n not_o censure_v by_o the_o ordinary_a to_o which_o the_o dr._n have_v two_o sorry_a answer_n 1._o what_o need_v public_a admonition_n by_o name_n do_v the_o nature_n of_o church_n discipline_n lie_v in_o that_o it_o be_v enough_o it_o be_v do_v private_o and_o sheweth_z that_o augustine_n bid_v people_n examine_v themselves_o and_o abstain_v if_o they_o see_v cause_n and_o the_o same_o augustine_n say_v that_o church_n discipline_n may_v be_v forbear_v in_o some_o case_n in_o a_o true_a church_n to_o this_o i_o reply_v 1._o how_o
will_v the_o dr._n reconcile_v this_o with_o what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o the_o rubric_n will_v private_a deal_n with_o the_o offender_n amount_v to_o repel_v of_o he_o from_o the_o communion_n 2._o discipline_n be_v a_o public_a and_o authoritative_a act_n and_o another_o thing_n then_o private_a deal_n with_o a_o person_n the_o apostle_n call_v it_o a_o rebuke_v before_o all_o 1_o tim._n 5._o 20._o and_o it_o differ_v from_o preach_v in_o that_o by_o discipline_n reproof_n be_v apply_v to_o the_o person_n in_o preach_v they_o be_v in_o more_o general_a term_n now_o how_o this_o shall_v be_v without_o public_a name_a the_o man_n i_o know_v not_o 3._o who_o doubt_v that_o augustine_n do_v well_o in_o what_o the_o dr._n allege_v it_o must_v be_v our_o practice_n when_o discipline_n be_v most_o strict_o exercise_v because_o discipline_n can_v reach_v the_o secret_a sin_n of_o man_n but_o augustine_n never_o think_v that_o therefore_o discipline_n be_v not_o to_o be_v public_o and_o personal_o inflict_v on_o offender_n and_o sure_a discipline_n may_v in_o some_o case_n be_v forbear_v hic_fw-la &_o num_fw-la without_o fault_n aâ—d_v where_o it_o be_v faulty_o forbear_v it_o do_v nullify_v the_o be_v of_o a_o church_n yet_o it_o must_v not_o always_o be_v forbear_v his_o 2._o answer_n be_v if_o a_o restraint_n be_v lay_v on_o minister_n by_o law_n whether_o the_o minister_n ought_v to_o admonish_v public_o and_o debar_v in_o that_o case_n reply_v why_o do_v the_o dr._n make_v the_o rubric_n and_o the_o law_n thus_o to_o clash_v especial_o see_v the_o common_a prayer_n and_o its_o rubric_n be_v settle_v by_o law_n and_o he_o do_v by_o this_o fair_o yield_v that_o by_o the_o constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n now_o establish_v by_o law_n a_o parish_n minister_n have_v no_o power_n to_o keep_v back_o any_o from_o the_o lord_n table_n that_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o come_v why_o then_o have_v he_o take_v so_o much_o pain_n to_o prove_v they_o can_v do_v something_o and_o at_o last_o conclude_v that_o this_o same_o thing_n be_v just_a nothing_o partur_fw-la montes_fw-la sect._n 17._o he_o frame_v a_o objection_n to_o himself_o sect._n 16._o that_o the_o neglect_v and_o abuse_v of_o discipline_n among_o we_o be_v too_o great_a to_o be_v justify_v and_o too_o notorious_a to_o be_v conceal_v to_o this_o he_o have_v several_a answer_n the_o 1._o be_v that_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o this_o destroy_v the_o be_v of_o parochial_a church_n this_o i_o pass_v for_o i_o think_v it_o do_v not_o the_o 2._o be_v it_o be_v easy_a to_o complain_v of_o this_o or_o separate_v then_o find_v out_o a_o way_n to_o remedy_v it_o we_o propose_v the_o scripture_n remedy_n to_o wit_n to_o put_v it_o into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n in_o common_a the_o 3._o be_v that_o therâ—_n be_v not_o that_o necessity_n of_o church_n discipline_n as_o in_o the_o primitive_a time_n the_o christian_a magistrate_n take_v care_n to_o punish_v scandalous_a offender_n and_o so_o to_o vindicate_v the_o honour_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o confirm_v this_o he_o cit_v a_o passage_n of_o king_n charles_n the_o first_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n thus_o the_o drs._n zeal_n for_o episcopacy_n be_v swallow_v up_o in_o the_o gulf_n of_o erastianism_n to_o what_o purpose_n do_v he_o cite_v cyprian_n tuâ—es_n petrus_a and_o why_o have_v he_o plead_v so_o much_o for_o episcopacy_n even_o out_o of_o these_o father_n that_o live_v under_o christian_a emperor_n as_o augustine_n theodoret_n etc._n etc._n if_o church_n discipline_n be_v at_o the_o magistrate_n disposal_n but_o i_o see_v man_n will_v say_v any_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d let_v the_o dr._n answer_v what_o our_o divine_n have_v write_v against_o erastus_n and_o his_o follower_n prove_v that_o the_o church_n and_o republic_n be_v distinct_a society_n though_o make_v up_o of_o the_o same_o person_n that_o christ_n have_v a_o visible_a mediatory_a kingdom_n in_o 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protestant_a divine_v abroad_o be_v not_o of_o that_o miâ—d_n it_o be_v false_a that_o among_o we_o a_o minister_n i_o mean_v with_o his_o elder_n can_v only_o admonish_v not_o repel_v from_o the_o lord_n supper_n why_o say_v he_o may_v not_o our_o minister_n be_v oblige_v to_o certify_v â—he_v bishop_n as_o well_o as_o they_o to_o certify_v the_o presbytery_n ans._n because_o christ_n give_v no_o power_n to_o a_o bishop_n above_o other_o presbyter_n and_o discipline_n in_o the_o apostolic_a and_o primitive_a church_n be_v exercise_v by_o a_o single_a person_n if_o the_o dr_n principle_n be_v true_a i_o think_v it_o be_v fit_a to_o certify_v the_o justice_n of_o peace_n than_o either_o of_o both_o what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o african_a church_n be_v answer_v above_o let_v he_o prove_v that_o a_o bishop_n by_o himself_o exercise_v discipline_n in_o they_o the_o bishop_n be_v often_o name_v as_o the_o speaker_n in_o the_o presbytery_n by_o the_o decline_a of_o he_o be_v mean_v decline_v of_o they_o the_o inconvenience_n that_o he_o allege_v by_o put_v excommunication_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o single_a congregation_n we_o shun_v by_o a_o prudent_a reserve_n of_o that_o dreadful_a ordinance_n to_o a_o meeting_n of_o pastor_n but_o if_o it_o be_v do_v by_o the_o mean_a congregational_a elder-ship_n it_o can_v hardly_o be_v so_o ill_o manage_v and_o make_v so_o ridiculous_a and_o contemptible_a as_o it_o be_v now_o in_o the_o hand_n of_o bishop_n or_o rather_o their_o servant_n in_o england_n it_o be_v well_o know_v how_o solemn_a and_o terrible_a it_o be_v as_o practise_v which_o be_v seldom_o in_o presbyterian_a church_n and_o how_o it_o have_v tame_v some_o stouthearted_a sinner_n without_o a_o capias_fw-la or_o magistratical_a power_n to_o back_o it_o i_o wonder_v why_o the_o dr._n shall_v use_v such_o argument_n as_o he_o do_v against_o parochial_a discipline_n to_o wit_n that_o there_o be_v no_o certain_a rule_n to_o proceed_v by_o no_o determination_n what_o fault_n deserve_v excommunication_n no_o method_n of_o trial_n no_o security_n against_o false_a witness_n no_o limitation_n of_o cause_n no_o liberty_n of_o appeal_n beside_o multitude_n of_o other_o inconvenience_n sure_o this_o author_n think_v the_o bible_n of_o little_a use_n to_o the_o church_n without_o a_o book_n of_o canon_n such_o reflection_n on_o the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v very_o unbecoming_a a_o part_n of_o which_o be_v write_v on_o purpose_n to_o teach_v minister_n how_o to_o behave_v themselves_o in_o the_o house_n of_o god_n 1_o tim._n 3._o 15._o i_o hope_v the_o dr_n more_o sober_a thought_n will_v satisfy_v he_o in_o all_o these_o and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v give_v no_o more_o particular_a answer_n but_o he_o may_v have_v consider_v if_o the_o bishop_n have_v direction_n for_o all_o these_o in_o the_o bible_n and_o if_o he_o have_v not_o his_o will_n must_v be_v his_o law_n why_o may_v not_o the_o classical_a and_o congregational_a presbytery_n respective_a take_v the_o help_n of_o they_o he_o think_v a_o parochial_a court_n of_o judicature_n so_o he_o be_v please_v to_o speak_v in_o the_o episcopal_a style_n will_v prove_v more_o tyrannical_a than_o any_o bishop_n court._n it_o may_v be_v so_o if_o manage_v by_o bad_a man_n but_o if_o they_o keep_v within_o the_o rule_n they_o profess_v to_o go_v by_o it_o will_v seem_v tyrannical_a to_o none_o but_o stubborn_a sinner_n who_o gall_a neck_n can_v bear_v christ_n yoke_n and_o it_o can_v never_o be_v so_o grievous_a to_o man_n person_n and_o estate_n as_o the_o bishop_n court_n for_o these_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o his_o five_o answer_n i_o say_v nothing_o against_o sect._n 19_o he_o have_v yet_o a_o further_a apology_n for_o the_o want_n of_o parochial_a discipline_n even_o suppose_v every_o one_o leave_v to_o their_o own_o conscience_n as_o to_o their_o
fitness_n for_o the_o communion_n he_o say_v 1._o the_o great_a offender_n abstain_v of_o themselves_o and_o they_o that_o come_v be_v usual_o the_o most_o devouâ—_n 2._o if_o debauch_a person_n come_v it_o be_v upon_o some_o awaken_n of_o conscience_n then_o both_o which_o nothing_o can_v be_v say_v more_o contrary_a to_o common_a experience_n 3._o he_o say_v this_o do_v not_o defile_v right_a communicant_n that_o be_v true_a and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o cause_n of_o separation_n but_o it_o be_v the_o church_n fault_n and_o shall_v be_v amend_v 5._o and_o 6._o some_o presbyterian_a church_n and_o the_o church_n of_o constantinople_n be_v for_o a_o time_n without_o discipline_n this_o be_v no_o imitable_a example_n sect_n v._o the_o national_a constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n debate_v have_v now_o examine_v what_o the_o dr._n say_v for_o diocesan_n episcopacy_n i_o proceed_v to_o consider_v the_o next_o ground_n for_o separation_n plead_v by_o some_o to_o wit_n the_o national_a constitution_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o have_v above_o declare_v that_o i_o look_v on_o this_o as_o no_o ground_n for_o separation_n yea_o nor_o cause_n of_o complaint_n if_o it_o be_v take_v sano_fw-la sensu_fw-la though_o i_o think_v every_o organise_v congregation_n have_v a_o govern_v power_n in_o itself_o yet_o this_o power_n be_v not_o independent_a but_o subordinate_a to_o the_o association_n of_o such_o church_n these_o association_n may_v be_v great_a or_o small_a one_o contain_v in_o another_o and_o so_o subordinate_a to_o it_o as_o the_o conveniency_n of_o meeting_n for_o discipline_n do_v allow_v and_o because_o the_o association_n of_o church_n in_o a_o whole_a nation_n contain_v all_o the_o church_n in_o it_o and_o may_v all_o meet_v in_o their_o representative_n for_o the_o govern_v they_o all_o in_o common_a this_o we_o own_o as_o a_o national_a church_n wherefore_o on_o this_o head_n i_o have_v no_o debate_n with_o the_o dr._n except_o in_o so_o far_o as_o he_o be_v for_o national_a and_o provincial_a officer_n in_o this_o national_a church_n arch-bishop_n and_o bishop_n put_v but_o provincial_n and_o national_a synod_n in_o the_o place_n of_o these_o and_o i_o shall_v contend_v no_o further_o i_o shall_v not_o then_o meddle_v with_o the_o substance_n of_o this_o his_o discourse_n but_o only_o note_v a_o few_o thing_n sect._n 2._o the_o first_o thing_n that_o i_o take_v notice_n of_o be_v p._n 289._o where_o the_o dr._n make_v the_o institution_n of_o the_o apostolic_a function_n in_o the_o hand_n of_o twelve_o man_n to_o be_v a_o argument_n against_o church_n power_n of_o govern_v themselves_o this_o prove_v nothing_o for_o the_o ordinary_a government_n of_o the_o church_n must_v be_v regulate_v by_o what_o the_o apostle_n appoint_v which_o be_v a_o abide_a thing_n not_o by_o their_o own_o govern_v the_o church_n which_o cease_v with_o they_o next_o p._n 290._o he_o say_v the_o succession_n of_o bishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n be_v matter_n of_o faâ—t_n attest_v by_o the_o most_o early_o know_v honest_a and_o impartial_a witness_n which_o i_o deny_v and_o have_v disprove_v the_o next_o remark_n shall_v be_v upon_o p._n 291._o where_o he_o plead_v for_o bishop_n join_v together_o and_o become_v one_o national_a church_n he_o shune_v mention_v a_o primate_n under_o and_o in_o who_o they_o unite_v and_o this_o he_o seem_v to_o vindicate_v from_o make_v way_n for_o papal_a usurpation_n and_o and_o universal_a head_n of_o the_o christian_a church_n by_o its_o be_v intend_v for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whole_a so_o unite_v and_o no_o way_n repugnant_a to_o the_o design_n of_o the_o institution_n and_o not_o usurp_v the_o right_n of_o other_o nor_o assume_v more_o than_o can_v be_v manage_v this_o he_o say_v a_o universal_a pastor_n must_v do_v and_o he_o therefore_o mention_v this_o that_o any_o one_o may_v see_v that_o the_o force_n of_o this_o reason_n will_v never_o justify_v the_o papal_a usurpation_n i_o can_v for_o all_o this_o see_v that_o it_o be_v more_o justifiable_a or_o consistent_a with_o christ_n institution_n to_o unite_v a_o national_a church_n under_o a_o primate_n than_o to_o unite_v the_o universal_a church_n under_o a_o pope_n save_v that_o the_o one_o be_v a_o further_o remove_v from_o parity_n that_o christ_n institute_v and_o so_o a_o great_a evil_n than_o the_o other_o but_o magis_fw-la &_o minus_fw-la non_fw-la variant_n speciem_fw-la to_o clear_v this_o i_o shall_v run_v over_o these_o four_o quality_n that_o he_o mention_v in_o their_o unite_n under_o a_o primate_n and_o consider_v whether_o they_o do_v agree_v better_a to_o he_o than_o to_o a_o pope_n the_o first_o be_v it_o be_v intend_v for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whole_a so_o unite_v if_o we_o judge_v by_o intention_n no_o doubt_n this_o intention_n will_v be_v pretend_v to_o by_o the_o papist_n also_o and_o be_v de_fw-fr facto_fw-la as_o much_o plead_v by_o they_o and_o with_o as_o specious_a pretence_n and_o if_o we_o consider_v the_o reality_n of_o the_o thing_n sad_a experience_n show_v that_o neither_o the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o do_v conduce_v to_o the_o good_a of_o the_o whole_a but_o be_v improve_v to_o tyrannize_a over_o man_n conscience_n and_o rend_v and_o harassing_n the_o church_n for_o the_o sake_n of_o superstitious_a concept_n of_o corrupt_a men._n sect._n 3_o the_o second_o this_o union_n be_v no_o way_n repugnant_a to_o institution_n this_o he_o shall_v have_v prove_v we_o deny_v it_o let_v he_o show_v we_o more_o institution_n or_o warrant_v for_o a_o metropolitan_a than_o for_o a_o pope_n if_o we_o shall_v own_v bishop_n as_o successor_n to_o the_o apostle_n yet_o a_o archbishop_n a_o metropolitan_a a_o patriarch_n a_o pope_n must_v still_o be_v beside_o institution_n except_o the_o dr._n will_v own_o a_o imparity_n among_o the_o apostle_n and_o so_o be_v for_o peter_n supremacy_n the_o three_o be_v that_o in_o this_o union_n there_o be_v no_o usurp_v the_o right_n of_o other_o i_o say_v there_o be_v as_o real_o as_o there_o be_v in_o the_o papacy_n for_o it_o be_v the_o right_n of_o every_o one_o of_o christ_n minister_n to_o govern_v the_o church_n in_o equality_n of_o power_n with_o the_o rest_n this_o be_v take_v from_o they_o and_o put_v into_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o bishop_n and_o that_o right_a that_o the_o bishop_n have_v usurp_v from_o the_o presbyter_n the_o primate_n usurp_v from_o he_o and_o the_o pope_n do_v no_o more_o but_o usurp_v the_o same_o from_o all_o the_o metropolitan_o and_o patriarch_n that_o they_o have_v usurp_v from_o these_o under_o they_o the_o four_o be_v not_o assume_v more_o than_o can_v be_v manage_v nothing_o but_o prejudice_n can_v hinder_v a_o man_n of_o the_o doctor_n understanding_n to_o see_v that_o the_o bishop_n assume_v more_o power_n than_o he_o can_v manage_v as_o real_o as_o the_o primate_n or_o the_o patriarch_n yea_o or_o the_o pope_n do_v for_o as_o the_o pope_n can_v administer_v the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n to_o all_o christian_n in_o his_o own_o person_n no_o more_o can_v a_o primate_n to_o a_o whole_a nation_n nor_o a_o bishop_n to_o a_o diocese_n consist_v of_o many_o thousand_o of_o people_n and_o hundred_o of_o congregation_n and_o as_o the_o bishop_n can_v do_v all_o this_o by_o the_o parochial_a clergy_n for_o word_n and_o sacrament_n and_o by_o his_o chancellor_n archdeacon_n &c._n &c._n for_o his_o discipline_n such_o as_o it_o be_v and_o as_o the_o primate_n can_v rule_v a_o whole_a national_a church_n by_o his_o and_o the_o bishop_n court_n so_o can_v the_o pope_n rule_v all_o christian_a people_n ut_fw-la cunque_fw-la by_o cardinal_n patriarch_n metropolitan_o bishop_n by_o his_o legate_n or_o other_o officer_n of_o his_o appointment_n i_o challenge_v the_o doctor_n or_o any_o man_n to_o show_v such_o a_o difference_n between_o a_o national_a officer_n and_o a_o oecumenick_n officer_n in_o the_o church_n as_o make_v one_o lawful_a and_o the_o other_o unlawful_a the_o pope_n usurp_v a_o plenitude_n of_o civil_a power_n and_o more_o gross_o abuse_v his_o pretend_a church_n power_n will_v not_o make_v this_o difference_n for_o we_o speak_v of_o a_o pope_n and_o primate_n as_o such_o abstract_v from_o all_o accident_n of_o such_o a_o officer_n in_o the_o church_n sect._n 4._o pag._n 292._o he_o seem_v to_o expose_v the_o frame_n of_o church-government_n too_o much_o to_o the_o reason_n or_o rather_o fancy_n of_o man_n when_o he_o say_v that_o union_n be_v the_o best_a way_n to_o preserve_v the_o church_n the_o preservation_n of_o which_o christ_n design_v by_o his_o institution_n we_o may_v reasonable_o infer_v that_o whatever_o tend_v to_o promote_v this_o union_n and_o to_o prevent_v notable_a inconvenience_n be_v within_o the_o design_n of_o the_o first_o institution_n though_o it_o be_v not_o
to_o themselves_o than_o thus_o to_o prelimit_v the_o people_n in_o that_o which_o so_o near_o concern_v their_o soul_n and_o to_o make_v that_o but_o a_o accessary_a to_o wit_n the_o charge_n of_o soul_n which_o shall_v be_v the_o thing_n principal_o mind_v as_o now_o the_o live_n be_v 2._o the_o magistrate_n or_o patron_n elect_v of_o a_o minister_n may_v give_v he_o a_o title_n to_o the_o live_n but_o it_o can_v never_o make_v he_o the_o pastor_n of_o such_o a_o people_n nor_o fix_v a_o relation_n between_o he_o and_o they_o of_o pastor_n and_o flock_n for_o it_o be_v whole_o foreign_a to_o the_o church_n as_o a_o church_n it_o be_v a_o thing_n of_o worldly_a concern_v and_o therefore_o can_v never_o find_v that_o relation_n which_o be_v a_o institution_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n 3._o we_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o when_o the_o people_n have_v choose_v a_o pastor_n and_o the_o presbytery_n have_v ordain_v he_o also_o the_o magistrate_n may_v imprison_v banish_v or_o otherwise_o punish_v he_o so_o as_o he_o be_v consequential_o restrain_v from_o the_o exercise_n of_o his_o ministry_n among_o that_o people_n if_o the_o man_n be_v guilty_a of_o a_o civil_a crime_n of_o which_o the_o magistrate_n be_v judge_n but_o we_o deny_v that_o this_o act_n do_v dissolve_v the_o ministerial_a relation_n between_o that_o pastor_n and_o people_n that_o can_v be_v do_v but_o by_o the_o church_n 4._o we_o do_v not_o so_o put_v election_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o multitude_n as_o either_o to_o exclude_v the_o eldership_n that_o be_v among_o they_o or_o to_o exempt_v the_o people_n from_o their_o guidance_n in_o this_o the_o eldership_n ought_v to_o regulate_v this_o action_n yet_o so_o as_o it_o be_v not_o do_v without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o generality_n 5._o we_o be_v far_o from_o say_v that_o the_o people_n by_o their_o election_n do_v make_v the_o elect_v person_n a_o minister_n that_o be_v do_v by_o ordination_n which_o be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n 6._o we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o this_o elective_a power_n of_o the_o people_n be_v arbitrary_a and_o independent_a they_o be_v to_o be_v bound_v in_o it_o by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o gospel_n that_o set_v forth_o the_o qualification_n of_o minister_n and_o if_o they_o choose_v contrary_a to_o these_o the_o presbytery_n may_v reject_v the_o person_n and_o refuse_v to_o ordain_v he_o 7._o we_o deny_v not_o but_o a_o part_n of_o a_o church_n or_o the_o whole_a church_n may_v forfeit_v this_o right_n as_o to_o the_o present_a exercise_n of_o it_o by_o ignorance_n scandal_n irreconcilable_a contention_n about_o the_o matter_n and_o such_o like_a in_o which_o case_n the_o power_n of_o election_n devolve_v into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n associate_v i_o mean_v the_o presbytery_n yet_o the_o people_n satisfaction_n shall_v be_v endeavour_v as_o much_o as_o be_v possible_a 8._o it_o be_v the_o right_n of_o the_o people_n which_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v deprive_v of_o nor_o restrain_v from_o exercise_v ordinary_o nor_o without_o singular_o weighty_a cause_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o pastor_n and_o other_o church_n officer_n sect._n 3_o as_o to_o the_o author_n of_o this_o right_n in_o the_o people_n i_o maintain_v that_o it_o be_v neither_o from_o the_o church_n determination_n nor_o from_o any_o grant_n from_o the_o magistrate_n neither_o do_v i_o plead_v any_o law_n of_o nature_n for_o it_o for_o by_o divine_a institution_n which_o be_v never_o contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n it_o be_v otherwise_o in_o the_o jewish_a church_n and_o though_o there_o be_v abundant_a reason_n for_o it_o it_o be_v the_o privilege_n of_o free_a corporation_n and_o other_o society_n to_o choose_v these_o that_o be_v to_o govern_v they_o and_o it_o be_v rational_a that_o a_o corporation_n or_o person_n may_v choose_v the_o lawyer_n that_o they_o will_v intrust_v their_o estate_n to_o and_o the_o physician_n in_o who_o hand_n they_o put_v their_o life_n so_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v impose_v upon_o to_o entrust_v the_o conduct_n of_o their_o soul_n to_o a_o person_n that_o they_o have_v not_o confidence_n in_o and_o who_o they_o can_v choose_v for_o that_o end_n yet_o i_o say_v we_o do_v not_o lay_v the_o stress_n of_o the_o matter_n on_o humane_a reason_n but_o on_o gospel_n institution_n i_o affirm_v then_o that_o this_o be_v the_o institution_n of_o christ_n that_o it_o be_v the_o order_n that_o he_o have_v appoint_v in_o the_o gospel_n that_o people_n shall_v have_v liberty_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o pastor_n and_o other_o church_n officer_n sect._n 4._o i_o be_o next_o to_o show_v the_o ground_n that_o we_o have_v to_o think_v so_o i_o shall_v prove_v this_o by_o show_v that_o it_o be_v the_o constant_a practice_n in_o the_o church_n while_o the_o apostle_n manage_v the_o affair_n of_o it_o that_o church_n officer_n be_v choose_v by_o the_o suffrage_n of_o the_o people_n and_o i_o hope_v it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v that_o such_o practice_n be_v declarative_a of_o christ_n institution_n the_o first_o argument_n for_o it_o be_v from_o act._n 14._o 23._o where_n though_o ordination_n or_o appoint_v be_v express_v in_o our_o translation_n yet_o the_o greek_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o choose_n by_o suffrage_n as_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o grecian_n be_v by_o stretch_v out_o or_o lift_v up_o the_o hand_n for_o that_o be_v the_o force_n of_o the_o word_n to_o declare_v their_o vote_n i_o deny_v not_o that_o this_o word_n be_v sometime_o use_v figurative_o for_o potestative_a mission_n the_o effect_n or_o consequent_a of_o election_n and_o that_o by_o one_o person_n withot_v suffrage_n as_o act._n 10._o 14._o yet_o it_o be_v very_o rare_a that_o the_o word_n be_v so_o use_v and_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o word_n be_v most_o common_o use_v in_o this_o sense_n of_o all_o the_o instance_n that_o scapula_n in_o his_o lexicon_n give_v of_o the_o use_n of_o this_o word_n not_o one_o of_o they_o be_v to_o the_o contrary_n and_o it_o can_v be_v instance_a that_o ever_o this_o word_n be_v use_v for_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n lift_v up_o which_o be_v the_o force_n of_o the_o word_n and_o lay_v they_o down_o be_v so_o opposite_a it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v imagine_v that_o the_o one_o shall_v be_v put_v for_o the_o other_o neither_o be_v it_o fit_a to_o seek_v for_o the_o figurative_a signification_n of_o the_o word_n when_o the_o proper_a signification_n may_v be_v admit_v it_o be_v object_v against_o this_o use_n of_o the_o word_n here_o that_o they_o ordain_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o they_o not_o to_o themselves_o that_o be_v the_o apostle_n to_o the_o people_n ordain_v elder_n answ._n it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v indifferent_o for_o they_o or_o themselves_o and_o why_o it_o may_v not_o here_o be_v understand_v of_o themselves_o i_o see_v not_o so_o as_o that_o here_o be_v denote_v the_o action_n of_o appoint_v elder_n for_o the_o people_n in_o which_o the_o people_n have_v a_o hand_n by_o election_n as_o the_o word_n here_o import_v and_o the_o apostle_n have_v a_o hand_n by_o ordination_n as_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o other_o scripture_n but_o if_o we_o shall_v turn_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o the_o sense_n may_v run_v plain_o thus_o the_o apostle_n appoint_v by_o ordination_n elder_n for_o the_o people_n upon_o their_o elect_v they_o by_o suffrage_n it_o be_v no_o strange_a thing_n in_o scripture_n to_o see_v divers_a action_n express_v by_o the_o same_o word_n where_o one_o be_v the_o consequent_a of_o the_o other_o as_o is._n 38._o 17._o thou_o have_v love_v my_o soul_n out_o of_o the_o pit_n of_o corruption_n i.e._n deliver_v it_o because_o thou_o love_v it_o also_o act._n 7._o 9_o the_o patriarch_n be_v say_v to_o sell_v joseph_n to_o egypt_n where_o both_o their_o action_n and_o the_o action_n of_o the_o midianite_n who_o carry_v he_o to_o egypt_n and_o there_o sell_v he_o be_v include_v in_o one_o word_n many_o instance_n of_o this_o kind_n of_o synthesis_n may_v be_v see_v in_o glâ—ss_n philol._n sacr._n lib._n 3._o tract_n 3._o p._n 229_o it_o be_v also_o object_v that_o these_o be_v say_v to_o ordain_v who_o commend_v the_o people_n to_o the_o lord_n that_o be_v the_o apostle_n and_o that_o the_o apostle_n be_v speak_v of_o all_o along_o in_o the_o nominative_a case_n and_o not_o the_o people_n and_o therefore_o they_o must_v be_v the_o actor_n mean_v by_o this_o word_n answ._n we_o deny_v not_o the_o apostle_n to_o be_v actor_n mean_v in_o this_o word_n as_o the_o patriarch_n be_v in_o the_o word_n sell_v to_o egypt_n act._n 7._o 9_o but_o we_o
law_n of_o justiniâ—n_n it_o be_v appoint_v that_o the_o election_n be_v make_v by_o the_o inhabitant_n of_o the_o city_n and_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o impute_v contradiction_n to_o justinian_n law_n he_o next_o object_v council_n laodic_n can_v 13._o he_o do_v not_o cite_v the_o word_n and_o i_o meet_v only_o with_o the_o title_n in_o these_o word_n deo_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la populis_fw-la concedendum_fw-la electionent_fw-la facere_fw-la eorum_fw-la quam_fw-la altaris_fw-la ministerio_fw-la sit_fw-la applicandi_fw-la ans._n if_o this_o be_v mean_v of_o exclude_v the_o people_n whole_o it_o be_v inconsistent_a with_o other_o canon_n above_o cite_v and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v mind_v therefore_o the_o meaning_n must_v rather_o be_v that_o the_o election_n be_v not_o to_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o rabble_n but_o they_o be_v to_o be_v assist_v and_o direct_v in_o that_o action_n by_o the_o presbyter_n and_o better-sort_n of_o the_o people_n the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a be_v next_o cite_v but_o much_o amiss_o for_o it_o be_v ordination_n not_o election_n that_o be_v restrain_v to_o bishop_n i._n e._n not_o to_o be_v do_v without_o they_o and_o election_n be_v only_o take_v out_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o magistrate_n that_o second_o council_n cit_v for_o conformation_n of_o their_o decree_n the_o four_o can._n of_o council_n nice_n 1._o where_o there_o be_v not_o a_o word_n of_o election_n by_o bishop_n but_o only_o of_o ordination_n he_o conclude_v with_o council_n constantinop_n 2._o can._n 28._o carazanze_fw-mi have_v it_o 22._o whereas_o the_o greek_a church_n own_v but_o fourteen_o of_o these_o canon_n and_o the_o rest_n be_v look_v on_o as_o a_o forgery_n beside_o that_o council_n be_v in_o the_o end_n of_o the_o nine_o century_n when_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v get_v very_o high_a and_o therefore_o less_o to_o be_v regard_v sect._n 17._o the_o four_o thing_n the_o dr._n consider_v be_v p._n 323._o that_o the_o magistrate_n when_o christian_a do_v interpose_v in_o this_o as_o he_o judge_v expedient_a ans._n we_o be_v not_o against_o the_o magistrate_n interpose_v to_o repress_v tumult_n assist_v the_o oppress_v oppose_v unpeaceable_a person_n etc._n etc._n but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o magistrate_n do_v take_v away_o the_o election_n from_o the_o people_n and_o do_v interpose_v general_o and_o when_o there_o be_v no_o special_a necessity_n for_o his_o interpose_v 2._o we_o deny_v not_o but_o some_o magistrate_n do_v interpose_v against_o right_n and_o reason_n but_o quo_fw-la jure_fw-la do_v they_o do_v so_o but_o let_v we_o hear_v his_o instance_n the_o first_o be_v constantine_n recommend_v to_o the_o synod_n two_o man_n to_o choose_v either_o of_o they_o or_o who_o they_o shall_v judge_v fit_a without_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o interest_n of_o the_o people_n ans._n 1._o this_o be_v far_o from_o take_v away_o the_o people_n right_a to_o deprive_v they_o of_o the_o present_a use_n of_o it_o on_o occasion_n of_o their_o dissension_n 2._o how_o do_v he_o prove_v that_o no_o notice_n be_v take_v of_o the_o people_n interest_n that_o it_o be_v not_o mention_v be_v no_o proof_n it_o be_v so_o universal_o own_v in_o those_o day_n that_o it_o may_v well_o be_v suppose_v without_o mention_n 3_o yea_o the_o emperor_n in_o his_o ep._n to_o the_o people_n of_o antioch_n do_v mention_v it_o several_a time_n as_o eusâ—bius_n relate_v for_o he_o will_v they_o not_o to_o desire_v the_o bishop_n of_o antiâ—ch_n but_o to_o choose_v one_o according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n as_o our_o saviour_n have_v direct_v they_o his_o next_o instance_n be_v in_o a_o dissension_n at_o constantinople_n about_o paulus_n and_o macedonius_n the_o emperor_n constantius_n put_v they_o both_o by_o and_o put_v in_o eusebius_n of_o nicomedia_n and_o after_o his_o death_n when_o the_o oxthodox_n party_n choose_v paulus_n the_o emperor_n put_v he_o out_o by_o force_n and_o put_v in_o macedonius_n ans._n such_o instance_n will_v be_v little_a to_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n for_o all_o this_o be_v do_v by_o a_o persecute_v emperor_n constantius_n for_o râ—oting_v out_o the_o sound_a faith_n and_o plant_v arianism_n and_o be_v complain_v of_o by_o all_o the_o orthodox_n as_o a_o encroachment_n on_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n what_o follow_v be_v far_a short_a of_o the_o point_n to_o wit_n the_o emperor_n restore_v athenasius_n and_o several_a other_o bishop_n who_o have_v be_v due_o elect_v and_o ordain_v and_o by_o he_o thrust_v from_o their_o place_n next_o theodosius_n will_v have_v nectarius_n make_v bishop_n of_o constantinople_n when_o many_o of_o the_o bishop_n oppose_v it_o ans._n this_o make_v more_o against_o episcopal_a ordination_n than_o against_o popular_a election_n but_o that_o tâ—e_v people_n election_n be_v not_o here_o impedit_v be_v clear_a from_o the_o synod_n at_o ep._n cite_v above_o sect._n 6._o where_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a city_n be_v mention_v next_o chrysostom_n be_v appoint_v by_o the_o emperor_n to_o constantinople_n without_o the_o people_n for_o palladius_n do_v not_o mention_v any_o consent_n but_o what_o be_v subservient_fw-fr to_o the_o emperor_n determination_n ans._n whether_o the_o consent_n be_v antecedent_n or_o subsequent_a if_o it_o be_v it_o destroy_v his_o design_n beside_o both_o socrates_n and_o sozomen_n do_v express_o mâ—ntion_v the_o people_n vote_n and_o palladius_n who_o the_o dr._n in_o this_o lean_v to_o do_v not_o deny_v they_o next_o he_o say_v the_o emperor_n will_v have_v none_o of_o the_o clergy_n of_o constantinople_n choose_v to_o succeed_v sinsinnius_fw-la therefore_o nestorius_n be_v bring_v from_o antioch_n ans._n it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o he_o be_v not_o choose_v by_o the_o people_n and_o the_o emperor_n lay_v this_o restraint_n on_o the_o people_n be_v only_o if_o at_o all_o excâ—sable_a because_o he_o fear_v disturbance_n such_o pretence_n have_v often_o give_v occasion_n to_o oppression_n his_o last_o instance_n be_v proctus_fw-la be_v make_v bishop_n by_o the_o emperor_n order_n before_o the_o burial_n of_o his_o successor_n ans._n it_o be_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o people_n do_v not_o choose_v he_o yea_o the_o people_n have_v choose_v he_o before_o maximanus_fw-la his_o predecessor_n get_v the_o place_n and_o he_o be_v now_o dead_a he_o may_v enter_v in_o without_o the_o formality_n of_o a_o new_a choice_n let_v the_o reader_n now_o judge_n whether_o any_o orthodox_n emperor_n do_v ever_o disow_v this_o privilege_n of_o the_o people_n either_o by_o declare_v that_o the_o power_n be_v not_o in_o they_o but_o in_o himself_o or_o by_o interpose_v ordinary_o or_o without_o hazard_n of_o the_o civil_a peace_n in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n wherefore_o the_o dr._n in_o all_o this_o have_v say_v nothing_o that_o can_v conclude_v against_o this_o power_n of_o the_o people_n sect._n 18._o his_o five_o consideration_n p._n 325._o be_v that_o upon_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o government_n of_o christendom_n there_o be_v great_a reason_n for_o the_o magistrate_n interpose_v thâ—n_v before_o i_o suppose_v by_o the_o alteration_n of_o the_o government_n of_o christendom_n the_o reverend_a author_n mean_v the_o break_n of_o the_o roman_a empire_n and_o the_o set_n up_o of_o many_o kingdom_n out_o of_o it_o which_o fall_v out_o in_o the_o latter_a and_o very_o corrupt_a time_n of_o the_o church_n himself_o date_v it_o from_o the_o endowment_n of_o church_n by_o the_o liberality_n of_o the_o northern_a prince_n against_o this_o i_o argue_v 1._o this_o practice_n be_v so_o long_o after_o the_o church_n purity_n begin_v to_o decay_v and_o when_o christian_a religion_n be_v almost_o destroy_v by_o the_o increase_n of_o apostasy_n and_o when_o prince_n and_o prelate_n have_v as_o it_o be_v divide_v the_o spoil_n of_o the_o church_n between_o they_o and_o rob_v the_o people_n both_o of_o their_o right_n and_o many_o of_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n as_o to_o the_o purity_n of_o they_o it_o have_v no_o weight_n to_o conclude_v against_o the_o people_n right_a of_o election_n which_o they_o have_v from_o christ_n and_o enjoy_v in_o the_o pure_a age_n of_o the_o church_n for_o many_o century_n of_o year_n if_o this_o reason_n have_v any_o force_n it_o will_v make_v as_o much_o for_o the_o mass_n imagine_v deny_v the_o cup_n in_o the_o lord_n supper_n to_o the_o people_n and_o many_o such_o thing_n which_o i_o hope_v the_o dr._n will_v not_o argue_v for_o though_o he_o unwary_o say_v more_o for_o they_o than_o wâ—â—ld_v have_v be_v expect_v 2._o he_o acknowledge_v p._n 325._o that_o this_o be_v obtain_v by_o prince_n by_o degree_n and_o indeed_o it_o be_v very_o late_o before_o it_o become_v common_a and_o the_o power_n be_v whole_o wrest_v out_o of_o the_o people_n hand_n he_o confess_v that_o this_o way_n be_v not_o
always_o observe_v in_o the_o day_n of_o cloâ—harius_n in_o france_n which_o of_o they_o he_o mean_v i_o know_v not_o there_o be_v three_o of_o that_o name_n the_o first_o of_o they_o be_v about_o the_o year_n 560._o the_o last_o a_o hundred_o year_n after_o now_o if_o the_o infancy_n of_o this_o usage_n be_v so_o late_o and_o it_o grow_v by_o degree_n the_o adult_n state_n of_o it_o must_v be_v as_o indeed_o it_o be_v a_o very_a novel_a device_n of_o man_n to_o subject_a religion_n to_o their_o lusts._n sect._n 19_o 3._o i_o deny_v that_o on_o that_o alteration_n of_o government_n in_o the_o state_n there_o be_v either_o great_a reason_n than_o before_o or_o any_o reason_n for_o prince_n to_o interpose_v so_o in_o the_o election_n of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o to_o take_v it_o out_o of_o the_o people_n hand_n that_o there_o be_v no_o great_a reason_n then_o before_o i_o prove_v both_o because_o he_o can_v show_v we_o such_o reason_n and_o also_o because_o before_o this_o there_o be_v tumult_n and_o confusion_n which_o may_v require_v the_o magistrate_n interposition_n and_o also_o because_o the_o christian_a emperor_n have_v as_o much_o power_n over_o the_o church_n in_o their_o large_a dominion_n as_o christian_a king_n can_v pretend_v to_o in_o their_o lesser_a kingdom_n no_o difference_n in_o this_o can_v be_v assign_v either_o from_o any_o grant_n of_o christ_n to_o the_o one_o more_o than_o to_o the_o other_o nor_o from_o sound_a reason_n that_o which_o the_o dr._n bring_v for_o a_o reason_n be_v none_o at_o all_o to_o wit_n the_o northern_a prince_n endow_v church_n liberal_o for_o 1._o do_v not_o the_o emperor_n so_o too_o coâ—stantin's_n liberality_n be_v excee_v great_a which_o occasion_v that_o say_n hodie_fw-la veninum_fw-la infusum_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesiam_fw-la and_o yet_o he_o lay_v not_o out_o that_o treasure_n to_o purchase_v the_o right_n that_o christ_n have_v give_v to_o his_o people_n 2._o the_o liberality_n be_v no_o sufficient_a price_n to_o purchase_v gospel_n privilege_n from_o they_o that_o christ_n have_v grant_v they_o to_o more_o than_o jacob_n pottage_n be_v for_o esâ—us's_n birthright_n it_o be_v a_o conceit_n unworthy_a of_o a_o divine_a and_o only_o fit_a for_o simon_n magus_n that_o the_o liberality_n of_o prince_n or_o other_o to_o the_o church_n can_v entitle_v they_o to_o be_v master_n of_o her_o privilege_n as_o there_o be_v no_o more_o reason_n now_o then_o before_o so_o there_o neither_o be_v nor_o be_v any_o reason_n at_o all_o why_o magistrate_n shall_v mâ—dle_v with_o the_o election_n of_o church_n officer_n because_o it_o be_v the_o people_n right_a by_o christ_n institution_n and_o have_v be_v own_v by_o the_o church_n and_o the_o magistrate_n for_o many_o age_n as_o have_v be_v show_v above_o sect._n 20._o the_o dr._n say_v that_o after_o the_o solemn_a assembly_n of_o the_o people_n come_v to_o be_v much_o use_v these_o privilege_n in_o election_n of_o churchman_n of_o prince_n come_v not_o only_o to_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n but_o to_o be_v enlarge_v this_o he_o insist_v much_o upon_o afterwards_o allege_v that_o the_o people_n of_o england_n by_o their_o representative_n in_o parliament_n have_v give_v away_o their_o power_n of_o elecâ—ion_n and_o put_v it_o into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o magistrate_n bishop_n and_o other_o patron_n a_o s._n 1._o i_o deny_v that_o the_o people_n can_v give_v away_o this_o right_n it_o be_v christ_n legacy_n to_o they_o and_o not_o alienable_a by_o they_o it_o do_v concern_v their_o soul_n not_o their_o temporal_a estate_n and_o such_o concern_v be_v not_o at_o man_n disposal_n 2._o i_o deny_v that_o this_o be_v do_v people_n never_o give_v away_o this_o right_n it_o be_v partly_o by_o violence_n and_o partly_o by_o fraud_n wrest_v out_o of_o their_o hand_n what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o parliament_n give_v it_o away_o wherein_o the_o people_n be_v represent_v be_v a_o mistake_n for_o the_o people_n be_v represent_v in_o parliament_n as_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o body_n politic_a and_o they_o intru_v all_o their_o worldly_a interest_n and_o life_n and_o estate_n to_o they_o who_o they_o choose_v and_o they_o may_v dispose_v of_o these_o by_o make_v law_n to_o secure_v they_o and_o also_o to_o take_v they_o away_o when_o the_o public_a good_a do_v so_o require_v but_o they_o be_v not_o there_o represent_v as_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n neither_o do_v they_o or_o can_v they_o entrust_v the_o parliament_n with_o the_o concern_v of_o their_o soul_n or_o the_o church_n right_n and_o privilege_n these_o christ_n have_v make_v law_n about_o and_o no_o man_n can_v make_v law_n about_o they_o all_o that_o man_n can_v do_v in_o reference_n to_o these_o be_v ministerial_a not_o magisterial_a as_o act_n of_o parliament_n be_v it_o be_v to_o declare_v christ_n law_n and_o to_o put_v they_o in_o execution_n and_o christ_n have_v not_o entrust_v king_n nor_o parliament_n with_o these_o affair_n but_o only_o his_o minister_n and_o the_o people_n can_v entrust_v no_o other_o with_o they_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o discourse_n of_o the_o dr_n on_o which_o all_o of_o it_o be_v build_v be_v his_o confound_v of_o church_n and_o state_n with_o erastus_n which_o be_v to_o mingle_v heaven_n and_o earth_n sect._n 21._o he_o say_v the_o prince_n obtain_v by_o degree_n not_o only_o the_o confirmation_n of_o the_o election_n bâ—t_v the_o liberty_n of_o nomination_n with_o a_o shadow_n of_o election_n by_o the_o clergy_n and_o other_o of_o the_o court_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o formula_fw-la of_o marculphus_n answ._n here_o be_v plain_a deal_n both_o to_o let_v we_o see_v what_o fraudulent_a way_n be_v use_v to_o cheat_v the_o people_n of_o their_o right_n by_o leave_v a_o shadow_n of_o election_n when_o the_o substance_n be_v take_v away_o and_o also_o that_o prince_n be_v not_o in_o ancient_a possession_n of_o this_o privilege_n that_o they_o behove_v by_o such_o policy_n to_o wind_v themselves_o into_o and_o further_o that_o it_o be_v so_o gross_o evil_a that_o prince_n be_v ashamed_a open_o to_o own_o such_o a_o power_n over_o the_o church_n but_o must_v thus_o hide_v the_o shame_n of_o this_o practice_n if_o they_o have_v a_o good_a title_n why_o leave_v they_o a_o shadow_n of_o election_n if_o not_o why_o do_v they_o assume_v the_o substance_n of_o it_o he_o cit_v on_o the_o margin_n in_o confirmation_n of_o this_o grant_v make_v to_o king_n several_a act_n of_o council_n as_o council_n aurelian_a an._n 549._o but_o this_o destroy_v his_o cause_n for_o can._n 3._o which_o i_o suppose_v be_v that_o he_o aim_v at_o dâ—th_v bare_o name_v the_o king_n who_o interest_n in_o all_o church_n matter_n no_o man_n deny_v so_o far_o as_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o state_n be_v concern_v in_o tâ—em_n but_o express_o require_v the_o election_n of_o the_o clergy_n and_o people_n and_o again_o their_o consent_n and_o moreover_o make_v this_o election_n a_o clero_fw-la &_o plebe_fw-la to_o be_v as_o it_o be_v write_v in_o the_o ancient_a canon_n council_n aurelan_n 2._o can._n 7._o do_v also_o express_o mention_v popular_a eâ—ection_n and_o council_n aurelian_a 3._o can._n 2._o do_v require_v their_o consent_n and_o council_n aurelian_a 4._o can._n 4._o require_v a_o bishop_n to_o be_v ordain_v in_o his_o church_n to_o which_o he_o be_v elect_v decreto_fw-la that_o be_v the_o ordinary_a term_n for_o the_o write_n wherein_o the_o people_n election_n be_v contain_v and_o in_o all_o these_o canon_n there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n of_o the_o magistrate_n except_o in_o the_o first_o as_o abovesaid_a his_o council_n tarracoâ—_n i_o can_v find_v council_n tolet._n 12._o that_o he_o cit_v be_v in_o the_o end_n of_o the_o seven_o century_n when_o corruption_n be_v come_v to_o a_o great_a height_n and_o it_o be_v but_o provincial_a it_o say_v indeed_o quoscunque_fw-la pâ—testas_fw-la regius_fw-la â—lâ—gerit_fw-la but_o the_o people_n election_n be_v not_o exlude_v though_o not_o mention_v and_o there_o be_v a_o express_v salvo_fw-la it_o be_v the_o 6_o can._n for_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o province_n which_o can_v well_o be_v understand_v but_o of_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o people_n of_o the_o province_n sect._n 22._o he_o tell_v we_o of_o great_a contest_v between_o the_o papal_a and_o regal_a power_n and_o how_o the_o latter_a prevail_v in_o england_n and_o cit_v several_a act_n of_o parliament_n as_o of_o edward_n 6_o and_o other_o aâ—sw_n what_o do_v all_o this_o prove_v if_o two_o contend_v about_o a_o three_o person_n estate_n and_o the_o one_o prevail_v against_o the_o other_o doâ—h_o that_o give_v he_o a_o title_n we_o deny_v that_o either_o pope_n or_o prince_n have_v a_o right_a to_o that_o they_o strive_v about_o and_o
ordinance_n of_o god._n 3._o any_o variation_n of_o their_o opinion_n about_o their_o wash_n from_o our_o opinion_n about_o our_o ceremony_n that_o can_v be_v observe_v arise_v from_o the_o difference_n that_o be_v between_o their_o church_n and_o ordinance_n and_o we_o and_o so_o can_v make_v their_o imposition_n unlawful_a if_o we_o be_v lawful_a for_o god_n have_v appoint_v wash_n for_o remove_v of_o ceremonial_a uncleanness_n which_o affect_v both_o soul_n and_o body_n to_o wit_n at_o the_o touch_v of_o the_o dead_a or_o any_o unclean_a thing_n and_o all_o 〈◊〉_d jew_n know_v that_o antecedent_o to_o the_o command_n no_o uncleannesâ—â—ould_v be_v contract_v by_o these_o touch_v nor_o remove_v by_o these_o wash_n the_o rabbi_n in_o the_o apostate_n state_n of_o that_o church_n add_v such_o like_a observation_n to_o god_n out_o of_o a_o desire_n of_o more_o ample_a strictness_n and_o that_o their_o purity_n may_v be_v more_o conspicuous_a know_v well_o that_o before_o the_o command_n these_o thing_n be_v in_o the_o same_o state_n that_o the_o other_o thing_n be_v in_o before_o god_n command_n just_o so_o do_v our_o church_n god_n have_v institute_v some_o ceremony_n for_o his_o own_o honour_n and_o edification_n of_o his_o people_n so_o as_o we_o all_o know_v that_o antecedent_o to_o his_o command_n they_o be_v indifferent_a thing_n as_o water_n bread_n and_o wine_n and_o the_o church_n not_o content_a with_o these_o add_v some_o other_o ceremony_n for_o further_a honour_v of_o god_n to_o wit_n make_v his_o worship_n more_o decent_a and_o further_a edification_n stir_v up_o the_o dull_a mind_n of_o man_n yet_o protest_v that_o antecedent_o to_o their_o command_n these_o thing_n be_v indifferent_a be_v not_o here_o a_o exact_a parallel_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o rabbi_n think_v the_o thing_n that_o they_o enjoin_v to_o be_v comprehend_v under_o god_n command_v worship_n before_o they_o enjoin_v they_o this_o be_v deny_v and_o the_o contrary_n be_v evident_a from_o christ_n reason_v with_o they_o he_o all_o along_o make_v a_o distinction_n between_o god_n command_n and_o their_o tradition_n which_o they_o may_v easy_o have_v object_v against_o if_o they_o have_v pretend_v a_o command_n of_o god_n for_o the_o thing_n that_o they_o by_o tradition_n impose_v sect._n 10._o in_o order_n to_o the_o prove_v his_o opinion_n in_o this_o matter_n he_o say_v p._n 339._o that_o the_o reason_n of_o christ_n oppose_v the_o pharisee_n be_v not_o because_o a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a be_v determine_v by_o their_o superior_n but_o because_o of_o the_o superstitious_a opinion_n that_o the_o pharisee_n have_v about_o these_o wash_n here_o be_v a_o wrong_a state_n of_o the_o question_n hint_v we_o never_o quarrel_v with_o superior_n for_o determine_v a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a we_o know_v they_o may_v determine_v this_o time_n and_o that_o place_v of_o worship_n and_o yet_o neither_o of_o these_o in_o itself_o be_v necessary_a see_v another_o time_n or_o place_n may_v do_v as_o well_o but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o superior_n may_v determine_v a_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o needful_a to_o be_v determine_v as_o the_o habit_n gesture_n etc._n etc._n and_o appropriate_v this_o their_o determination_n to_o religious_a worship_n that_o so_o it_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o worship_n though_o it_o be_v not_o so_o do_v in_o other_o action_n and_o this_o without_o warrant_n from_o the_o lord_n who_o we_o worship_n his_o proof_n that_o the_o pharisee_n be_v condemn_v only_o because_o of_o their_o superstitious_a opinion_n and_o if_o this_o only_o be_v not_o understand_v by_o the_o dr._n he_o speak_v not_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n be_v two_o from_o the_o force_n of_o our_o saviour_n reason_v thus_o than_o he_o argueâ—â—_n p._n 340._o he_o prove_v that_o they_o set_v up_o their_o tradition_n above_o the_o law_n of_o god_n as_o in_o the_o vow_n corban_n the_o force_n of_o which_o argument_n extend_v to_o all_o that_o they_o observe_v because_o of_o the_o tradition_n of_o their_o ancestor_n therefore_o they_o think_v these_o thing_n please_v to_o god_n and_o that_o man_n conscience_n be_v strict_o oblige_v to_o observe_v they_o this_o be_v the_o sum_n of_o the_o drs._n argument_n to_o which_o the_o answer_n be_v obvious_a to_o wit_n that_o this_o do_v not_o at_o all_o prove_v that_o the_o pharisee_n think_v these_o thing_n oblige_v antecedent_o to_o their_o tradition_n which_o be_v the_o only_a thing_n in_o question_n christ_n reason_v prove_v no_o more_o but_o that_o they_o have_v a_o undue_a esteem_n of_o their_o own_o authority_n and_o do_v upon_o the_o matter_n equal_v it_o with_o if_o not_o prefer_v it_o to_o that_o of_o god_n by_o lay_v such_o stress_n on_o thing_n that_o stand_v mere_o on_o their_o authority_n but_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o hint_n that_o they_o think_v these_o thing_n antecedent_o oblige_v or_o that_o the_o omit_v of_o they_o will_v have_v defile_v the_o conscience_n though_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o tradition_n be_v not_o our_o case_n parallel_v to_o they_o in_o this_o we_o say_v the_o ceremony_n oblige_v not_o there_o be_v no_o sin_n in_o not_o observe_v they_o nor_o indecency_n in_o not_o use_v they_o antecedent_o to_o the_o law_n so_o do_v the_o pharisee_n of_o their_o wash_n and_o if_o they_o be_v zealous_a for_o their_o wash_n be_v not_o you_o so_o to_o as_o great_a a_o degree_n for_o your_o ceremony_n when_o impose_v what_o disobedience_n ungovernableness_n contempt_n of_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o indecency_n in_o it_o be_v we_o charge_v with_o and_o we_o be_v prosecute_v with_o more_o rigour_n for_o neglect_n of_o these_o than_o other_o be_v for_o the_o high_a immorality_n be_v not_o this_o to_o prefer_v your_o tradition_n to_o god_n law_n do_v not_o you_o make_v void_a the_o law_n of_o god_n neglect_v love_n study_v unity_n mercy_n etc._n etc._n for_o these_o your_o tradition_n sect._n 11._o but_o say_v the_o dr._n the_o pharisee_n think_v a_o man_n conscience_n defile_v if_o he_o do_v not_o observe_v the_o tradition_n as_o appear_v by_o christ_n subsequent_a discourse_n show_v what_o it_o be_v that_o defile_v a_o man_n and_o what_o not_o a._n this_o they_o think_v only_o because_o they_o have_v put_v these_o thing_n in_o that_o state_n by_o their_o tradition_n but_o never_o teach_v that_o these_o thing_n will_v have_v defile_v the_o man_n if_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o tradition_n and_o do_v not_o our_o brethren_n think_v that_o omit_v the_o ceremony_n now_o enjoin_v defile_v a_o man_n do_v they_o not_o think_v the_o nonconformist_n have_v need_n of_o repentance_n and_o pardon_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n if_o they_o think_v not_o so_o why_o do_v they_o so_o blame_v and_o prosecute_v they_o the_o dr._n conclude_v p._n 341._o that_o the_o main_a thing_n in_o question_n be_v whether_o this_o ceremony_n of_o wash_a hand_n can_v be_v omit_v without_o defile_v the_o conscience_n otherwise_o say_v he_o our_o saviour_n conclusion_n do_v not_o reach_v the_o question_n this_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n though_o it_o be_v no_o hazard_n to_o our_o cause_n to_o grant_v it_o for_o this_o question_n be_v but_o consequential_a to_o another_o to_o wit_n whether_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o institute_v ceremony_n such_o as_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v and_o then_o charge_v people_n with_o sin_n and_o not_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n for_o not_o observe_v they_o this_o be_v the_o main_a question_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o make_v such_o tradition_n and_o for_o bring_v the_o commandment_n of_o man_n into_o god_n worship_n our_o saviour_n conclusion_n that_o he_o speak_v of_o to_o wit_n his_o discourse_n about_o what_o defile_v a_o man_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n he_o first_o intend_v to_o prove_v to_o wit_n by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o their_o tradition_n for_o the_o conclusion_n of_o that_o argument_n be_v that_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o teach_v for_o doctrine_n the_o commandment_n of_o man_n i._n e._n institute_v in_o worship_n what_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v but_o this_o discourse_n about_o what_o defile_v a_o man_n be_v a_o consequence_n draw_v from_o that_o conclusion_n to_o wit_n that_o thing_n so_o forbid_v may_v be_v forbear_v without_o sin_n and_o that_o it_o be_v transgress_v of_o god_n command_n not_o of_o man_n that_o defile_v the_o conscience_n wherefore_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n for_o what_o the_o dr._n say_v that_o christ_n condemn_v they_o not_o mere_o with_o respect_n to_o the_o command_n of_o superior_n understand_v a_o command_n of_o superior_n bring_v into_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n what_o be_v not_o institute_v by_o god_n otherwise_o it_o reach_v not_o our_o question_n for_o condemn_v the_o tradition_n of_o man_n be_v a_o condemn_v mere_o with_o respect_n to_o
the_o command_n of_o superior_n in_o that_o sense_n sect._n 12._o this_o next_o proof_n be_v from_o the_o general_a sense_n of_o the_o jew_n p._n 342._o for_o this_o he_o show_v that_o mr._n a._n himself_o quote_v several_a passage_n of_o the_o talmudist_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o equal_v their_o tradition_n with_o the_o command_v of_o god_n and_o hâ—nce_o infer_v that_o this_o be_v not_o look_v â—n_o as_o a_o indifferent_a ceremony_n but_o as_o a_o thing_n who_o omission_n bring_v guilt_n on_o the_o conscience_n the_o former_a answer_n do_v full_o take_v away_o the_o force_n of_o all_o that_o he_o here_o discourse_v to_o wit_n the_o jew_n think_v the_o conscience_n defile_v by_o such_o omission_n after_o the_o thing_n be_v impose_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n not_o before_o so_o our_o prelatist_n in_o reference_n to_o the_o ceremony_n wherefore_o mr._n a._n be_v far_o from_o overturning_a all_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o discourse_n by_o this_o one_o say_v as_o the_o dr._n allege_v i_o well_o know_v what_o sanctity_n the_o rabbi_n place_v in_o the_o strict_a observance_n of_o these_o thing_n and_o therefore_o i_o contradict_v none_o of_o his_o citation_n out_o of_o they_o but_o all_o this_o sanctity_n they_o found_v not_o only_o natural_a or_o antecedent_n goodness_n of_o the_o thing_n observe_v but_o on_o the_o great_a duty_n of_o obedience_n to_o the_o order_n of_o the_o church_n in_o which_o our_o brethren_n be_v not_o much_o inferior_a to_o they_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o they_o say_v whosoever_o disesteem_v this_o custom_n deserve_v not_o only_a excommunication_n but_o death_n too_o and_o what_o less_o do_v the_o prelatist_n say_v of_o omit_v the_o ceremony_n except_o that_o it_o be_v not_o yet_o make_v death_n by_o the_o law_n though_o the_o cruel_a usage_n that_o many_o have_v meet_v with_o on_o this_o account_n have_v bring_v they_o to_o their_o death_n i_o can_v tell_v you_o of_o rabbi_n in_o the_o church_n of_o eâ—gland_n that_o talk_v as_o high_a against_o not_o observe_v the_o ceremony_n as_o ever_o the_o jewish_a rabbi_n do_v against_o not_o observe_v their_o wash_n he_o admire_v p._n 344._o that_o mr._n a._n will_v make_v people_n believe_v that_o this_o be_v no_o more_o but_o a_o indifferent_a ceremony_n among_o the_o jew_n and_o require_v for_o order_n and_o decency_n as_o our_o ceremony_n be_v a._n he_o need_v not_o admire_v for_o none_o of_o we_o say_v so_o of_o that_o wash_v when_o impose_v and_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o it_o be_v any_o other_o but_o indifferent_a to_o they_o before_o imposition_n as_o our_o ceremony_n be_v that_o wash_v be_v not_o impose_v for_o order_n and_o decency_n as_o our_o ceremony_n be_v a_o reason_n of_o the_o difference_n be_v already_o give_v to_o wit_n that_o it_o be_v a_o addition_n to_o christ_n ceremony_n for_o take_v away_o uncleanness_n we_o be_v a_o addition_n to_o christ_n institution_n for_o honour_v he_o and_o edify_v of_o soul_n sect._n 13._o he_o proceed_v sect._n 28._o to_o enlarge_v and_o enforce_v this_o truth_n by_o consider_v the_o popish_a ceremony_n and_o their_o opinion_n of_o wash_v away_o sin_n and_o justification_n by_o they_o and_o for_o this_o he_o cit_v many_o author_n all_o which_o pain_n may_v have_v be_v spare_v for_o this_o argument_n do_v not_o at_o all_o differ_v from_o what_o he_o have_v say_v abouâ—_n the_o jew_n opinion_n of_o their_o wash_n and_o need_v no_o other_o answer_n all_o the_o efficacy_n that_o papist_n attribute_v to_o their_o ceremony_n be_v consequent_a to_o and_o dependent_a on_o their_o be_v enjoin_v by_o the_o church_n none_o of_o they_o say_v that_o they_o have_v such_o efficacy_n in_o themselves_o and_o that_o they_o attribute_v take_v away_o of_o sin_n to_o they_o arise_v from_o the_o opinion_n they_o have_v of_o the_o merit_n of_o good_a work_n which_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o maintain_v the_o church_n of_o england_n make_v they_o good_a work_n but_o deny_v their_o merit_n because_o she_o deny_v that_o even_o to_o the_o work_n that_o god_n have_v command_v the_o papist_n do_v but_o make_v they_o good_a work_n also_o and_o that_o they_o think_v they_o meritorious_a be_v from_o this_o their_o opinion_n that_o all_o good_a work_n be_v such_o and_o not_o from_o a_o opinion_n that_o they_o can_v do_v such_o feat_n by_o any_o power_n in_o themselves_o without_o institution_n they_o ascribe_v spiritual_a effect_n to_o they_o say_v he_o so_o do_v you_o to_o your_o ceremony_n as_o stir_v up_o of_o dull_a mind_n engage_v the_o soul_n to_o god_n etc._n etc._n i_o think_v the_o cross_n have_v no_o more_o efficacy_n for_o this_o without_o a_o divine_a institution_n that_o it_o have_v to_o drive_v away_o devil_n as_o the_o papist_n allege_v amesius_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v charge_v with_o disingenuity_n by_o the_o doctor_n on_o this_o ground_n he_o do_v not_o equal_a the_o evil_a of_o the_o english_a ceremony_n with_o these_o of_o rome_n but_o that_o this_o church_n have_v no_o more_o power_n to_o make_v they_o religious_a rite_n than_o that_o have_v to_o make_v they_o cause_n of_o grace_n he_o tell_v we_o pag._n 346._o that_o our_o church_n receive_v they_o no_o otherwise_o than_o as_o purge_v from_o popish_a superstition_n and_o for_o this_o cit_v praef._n to_o common-prayer_n and_o can._n 30._o answer_n neither_o the_o dr._n nor_o his_o church_n will_v be_v condemn_v if_o they_o may_v be_v their_o own_o judge_n it_o be_v amicum_fw-la testimonium_fw-la i_o confess_v they_o have_v purge_v out_o much_o popish_a superstition_n out_o of_o they_o but_o to_o purge_v out_o all_o be_v impossible_a the_o thing_n themselves_o as_o state_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n without_o his_o institution_n be_v such_o whatever_o the_o dr._n have_v gain_v to_o his_o cause_n by_o this_o discourse_n our_o cause_n gain_v from_o it_o a_o good_a argument_n against_o the_o ceremony_n viz._n that_o these_o thing_n be_v unnecessary_a in_o themselves_o that_o have_v be_v so_o gross_o abuse_v to_o idolatry_n and_o superstition_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v bring_v into_o god_n worship_n by_o they_o who_o abhor_v that_o way_n nor_o indeed_o can_v they_o without_o much_o scandal_n but_o of_o this_o and_o other_o argument_n i_o have_v treat_v elsewhere_o sect._n 14._o his_o second_o way_n how_o ceremony_n become_v part_n of_o divine_a worship_n he_o have_v pag._n 347._o viz._n if_o they_o be_v suppose_v to_o be_v unalterable_a and_o obligatory_a to_o the_o conscience_n of_o all_o christian_n and_o this_o he_o purge_v the_o church_n of_o england_n from_o what_o be_v already_o say_v do_v abundant_o refute_v this_o for_o i_o have_v show_v that_o ceremony_n may_v be_v part_n though_o bad_a one_o of_o worship_n without_o this_o and_o the_o former_a too_o and_o indeed_o if_o this_o be_v necessary_a to_o make_v they_o part_n of_o worship_n none_o of_o the_o popish_a ceremony_n be_v such_o for_o the_o pope_n will_v not_o part_v with_o his_o power_n of_o alter_v the_o worship_n of_o god_n as_o he_o please_v more_o than_o the_o english_a convocation_n will_v and_o i_o believe_v there_o be_v never_o church_n in_o the_o world_n that_o hold_v that_o she_o can_v enjoin_v what_o god_n have_v not_o enjoin_v unalterable_a and_o so_o as_o to_o bind_v all_o christian_n but_o still_o the_o doctor_n as_o his_o cause_n do_v necessitate_v every_o defender_n of_o it_o to_o do_v make_v a_o inconsistency_n and_o irreconcileableness_n between_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o church_n about_o the_o ceremony_n and_o their_o practice_n in_o reference_n to_o they_o if_o they_o be_v alterable_a why_o will_v you_o rather_o ruin_v your_o brethren_n hazard_v soul_n rend_v the_o church_n than_o alter_v they_o if_o they_o bind_v not_o our_o conscience_n why_o do_v you_o charge_v we_o with_o sin_n for_o refuse_v they_o if_o they_o bind_v not_o all_o man_n why_o be_v the_o worship_n of_o other_o church_n so_o cry_v out_o upon_o by_o many_o of_o your_o church_n sect._n 15._o the_o reverend_a dr._n come_v now_o sect._n 29._o to_o examine_v the_o charge_n against_o the_o church_n and_o bring_v the_o argument_n of_o his_o adversary_n that_o tend_v to_o prove_v the_o ceremony_n to_o be_v part_n of_o worship_n and_o answer_v they_o it_o be_v here_o to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o argument_n that_o he_o mention_v be_v but_o some_o of_o many_o that_o we_o use_v against_o the_o ceremony_n and_o these_o not_o they_o that_o be_v most_o direct_o against_o they_o mr._n a._n argue_v thus_o a_o outward_a visible_a sign_n of_o inward_a invisible_a grace_n whereby_o a_o person_n be_v dedicate_v to_o a_o profession_n of_o and_o subjection_n to_o the_o redeemer_n be_v a_o substantial_a part_n of_o worship_n the_o dr._n answer_v a_o outward_a visible_a sign_n represent_v between_o man_n the_o duty_n or_o engagement_n of_o another_o be_v no_o
we_o read_v judge_n and_o hear_v only_o on_o one_o side_n think_v it_o a_o temptation_n to_o examine_v cry_v out_o we_o be_v satisfy_v already_o be_v not_o willing_a to_o be_v inform_v nor_o glad_a of_o light_n fly_v out_o into_o rage_n at_o they_o who_o endeavour_n to_o remove_v our_o scruple_n etc._n etc._n if_o we_o be_v such_o man_n why_o have_v the_o learned_a dr._n write_v so_o long_o a_o book_n to_o refute_v we_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o he_o stir_v up_o the_o magistrate_n against_o such_o and_o the_o people_n too_o to_o cry_v out_o away_o with_o such_o fellow_n from_o the_o earth_n it_o be_v not_o fit_a they_o shall_v live_v he_o ask_v where_o lie_v the_o strength_n and_o evidence_n of_o our_o scruple_n if_o i_o shall_v speak_v in_o his_o dialect_n i_o shall_v answer_v in_o the_o argument_n by_o we_o produce_v which_o he_o and_o all_o his_o party_n be_v not_o able_a to_o answer_v nor_o have_v ever_o answer_v but_o i_o have_v rather-dispute_a than_o scold_n he_o say_v we_o may_v see_v light_a if_o we_o will_v we_o say_v we_o will_v see_v it_o if_o we_o can_v and_o think_v we_o can_v see_v it_o if_o it_o be_v to_o be_v see_v he_o tell_v we_o how_o easy_a this_o dispute_n be_v we_o assent_n and_o wonder_v that_o so_o learned_a a_o man_n shall_v go_v about_o to_o darken_v so_o plain_a a_o truth_n he_o charge_v we_o with_o wilful_a mistake_n a_o mistake_v we_o deny_v and_o make_v the_o contrary_a of_o it_o appear_v but_o if_o it_o be_v a_o mistake_n that_o it_o be_v wilful_a we_o also_o deny_v and_o though_o we_o can_v in_o this_o satisfy_v they_o who_o be_v resolve_v to_o cast_v iniquity_n upon_o we_o etc._n etc._n yet_o we_o can_v make_v our_o appeal_n the_o to_o searcher_n of_o heart_n who_o will_v one_o day_n judge_v we_o and_o our_o rash_a judger_n sect._n 6._o he_o contest_v page_n 373._o with_o mr._n a._n about_o some_o expression_n of_o his_o that_o he_o allege_v mr._n a._n mistake_v there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o insist_v on_o such_o debate_n brethren_n shall_v study_v to_o understand_v one_o another_o and_o construe_v every_o thing_n to_o the_o best_a but_o if_o the_o dr._n have_v be_v as_o careful_a to_o vindicate_v his_o own_o cause_n as_o his_o own_o word_n he_o will_v have_v refute_v mr._n a_n pertinent_a and_o weighty_a discourse_n pag._n 72_o 73_o 74._o which_o he_o have_v but_o light_o or_o hardly_o at_o all_o touch_v he_o proceed_v pag._n 376._o to_o deal_n with_o another_o of_o his_o antagonist_n who_o object_v that_o these_o who_o can_v conquer_v their_o scruple_n as_o to_o communion_n with_o our_o church_n must_v either_o return_v to_o the_o state_n of_o paganism_n or_o set_v up_o new_a church_n by_o join_v with_o the_o eject_v minister_n the_o dr_n answer_n be_v that_o this_o be_v new_a doctrine_n the_o old_a puritan_n suppose_v man_n oblige_v to_o continue_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o our_o church_n although_o there_o be_v something_n that_o they_o scruple_v at_o reply_v i_o have_v former_o show_v that_o there_o be_v old_a puritan_n that_o do_v both_o scruple_n and_o act_n as_o we_o do_v but_o i_o deny_v not_o that_o some_o do_v join_v with_o the_o church_n but_o then_o their_o scruple_n and_o we_o do_v differ_v they_o think_v the_o ceremony_n be_v inconvenient_a yet_o may_v be_v use_v we_o think_v they_o unlawful_a and_o not_o to_o be_v use_v there_o be_v also_o another_o difference_n they_o meet_v with_o some_o indulgence_n and_o be_v suffer_v to_o worship_n god_n with_o the_o church_n and_o forbear_v the_o thing_n that_o they_o scruple_v we_o meet_v with_o nothing_o but_o rigour_n and_o severe_a impose_v of_o these_o and_o therefore_o whatever_o they_o do_v we_o be_v under_o this_o unpleasing_a choice_n either_o to_o sin_n against_o god_n and_o our_o conscience_n or_o to_o set_v up_o separate_a meeting_n or_o to_o return_v to_o the_o state_n of_o paganism_n i._n e._n to_o live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god._n sect._n 7._o it_o be_v object_v that_o we_o scruple_n join_v in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o live_v under_o some_o of_o the_o minister_n he_o answer_v that_o he_o never_o hear_v this_o last_o allege_v for_o a_o ground_n of_o separation_n neither_o do_v i_o insist_v on_o it_o as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v save_v where_o they_o preach_v false_a doctrine_n or_o otherwise_o corrupt_a the_o ordinance_n so_o as_o we_o can_v join_v in_o they_o without_o our_o personal_a sin_n and_o this_o scruple_n have_v be_v often_o hear_v of_o it_o be_v too_o vulgar_a a_o way_n of_o reason_v it_o be_v a_o hard_a case_n if_o people_n must_v fly_v into_o separation_n because_o all_o their_o minister_n be_v not_o such_o as_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v pray_v who_o ever_o say_v so_o but_o the_o dr._n will_v fain_o know_v whether_o as_o often_o as_o man_n do_v scruple_n join_v with_o other_o their_o separation_n be_v lawful_a this_o be_v easy_o know_v by_o a_o less_o know_a person_n than_o the_o learned_a dr._n st._n for_o all_o man_n know_v and_o acknowledge_v that_o scruple_v can_v never_o make_v separation_n lawful_a it_o be_v good_a ground_n for_o these_o scruple_n that_o must_v do_v that_o wherefore_o all_o the_o instance_n that_o he_o heap_v up_o of_o unjustifiable_a separation_n may_v have_v be_v spare_v as_o whole_o impertinent_a o_o how_o easy_a be_v it_o to_o prove_v learned_o that_o which_o no_o man_n deny_v after_o one_o of_o his_o historical_a instance_n of_o a_o separation_n from_o the_o church_n of_o new-england_n he_o ask_v what_o be_v there_o in_o this_o case_n but_o be_v every_o whit_n as_o justifiable_a as_o the_o present_a separation_n ans._n there_o be_v in_o it_o that_o these_o separatist_n can_v not_o with_o any_o reason_n object_n to_o the_o church_n from_o which_o they_o separate_v that_o she_o impose_v on_o they_o any_o religious_a ceremony_n of_o man_n devise_v or_o other_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n and_o then_o excommunicate_v they_o for_o not_o submit_v to_o these_o he_o tell_v we_o page_n 378._o that_o no_o settle_a church_n do_v allow_v this_o liberty_n of_o separation_n because_o man_n can_v conquer_v their_o scruple_n it_o be_v true_a neither_o be_v it_o fit_a they_o shall_v allow_v it_o mere_o on_o that_o account_n but_o withal_o he_o may_v have_v add_v that_o few_o settle_a church_n except_o that_o of_o rome_n and_o that_o of_o england_n do_v tempt_v or_o rather_o force_v man_n to_o scruple_n and_o to_o separate_a by_o impose_v unnecessary_a term_n of_o communion_n which_o they_o know_v many_o count_n unlawful_a what_o he_o say_v ibid._n for_o papist_n anabaptist_n and_o quaker_n plead_v for_o the_o same_o liberty_n of_o separate_a do_v no_o way_n come_v up_o to_o our_o case_n neither_o be_v their_o scruple_n build_v on_o good_a ground_n nor_o be_v the_o thing_n that_o they_o scruple_n know_v by_o the_o church_n that_o impose_v they_o to_o be_v unnecessary_a thing_n he_o wonder_v that_o none_o have_v take_v care_n to_o put_v a_o stop_n to_o separation_n by_o show_v what_o scruple_n be_v to_o be_v allow_v and_o what_o not_o have_v this_o never_o be_v do_v by_o nonconformist_n have_v we_o not_o also_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o bear_v with_o they_o who_o sober_o dissent_v in_o the_o lesser_a concern_v of_o religion_n and_o not_o impose_v unnecessary_a thing_n on_o people_n conscience_n if_o these_o be_v attend_v to_o a_o stop_n may_v soon_o be_v put_v to_o separation_n but_o if_o man_n will_v scruple_n without_o cause_n on_o the_o one_o hand_n and_o the_o church_n will_v impose_v without_o cause_n on_o the_o other_o there_o be_v no_o put_v a_o stop_n to_o separation_n till_o the_o lord_n cure_v our_o distemper_n rigour_n and_o persecution_n if_o it_o succeed_v to_o root_v out_o the_o dissent_v party_n be_v one_o way_n to_o put_v a_o stop_n to_o separation_n but_o it_o be_v none_o of_o god_n way_n and_o as_o it_o never_o have_v his_o approbation_n so_o it_o seldom_o have_v have_v success_n sect._n 8._o the_o learned_a author_n sect._n 36._o fall_v on_o a_o new_a subject_n to_o wit_n the_o use_n of_o godfather_n and_o godmother_n in_o baptism_n i_o never_o look_v on_o this_o as_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o separation_n and_o therefore_o may_v wave_v this_o whole_a debate_n but_o i_o think_v it_o be_v a_o abuse_n and_o therefore_o shall_v say_v a_o little_a on_o this_o subject_a here_o we_o have_v not_o any_o institution_n to_o guide_v we_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o scripture_n that_o i_o know_v of_o about_o sponsion_n for_o the_o party_n baptise_a and_o therefore_o as_o on_o the_o one_o hand_n what_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n and_o reason_n make_v necessary_a shall_v not_o be_v withstand_v so_o on_o the_o other_o what_o be_v beyond_o that_o shall_v not_o be_v practise_v and_o far_o
less_o impose_v all_o the_o question_n be_v about_o the_o use_n of_o sponsor_n in_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n for_o the_o adult_n be_v to_o undertake_v for_o themselves_o some_o make_v the_o use_n of_o godfather_n to_o be_v witness_n of_o the_o childs-baptism_n that_o be_v very_o needless_a for_o the_o whole_a church_n be_v witness_n of_o that_o the_o true_a use_n of_o they_o be_v to_o represent_v the_o child_n as_o a_o party_n covenant_v with_o god_n in_o this_o solemn_a seal_v of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n between_o god_n and_o the_o infant_n and_o consequential_a to_o this_o to_o undertake_v the_o instruction_n and_o education_n of_o the_o child_n in_o the_o christian_a religion_n and_o endeavour_v to_o engage_v he_o to_o a_o personal_a own_n of_o the_o covenant_n the_o original_n of_o other_o sponsor_n beside_o the_o parent_n be_v in_o the_o primitive_a church_n many_o young_a one_o either_o bear_v of_o heathen-parent_n or_o orphan_n of_o christian-parent_n fall_v into_o 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except_o it_o be_v to_o send_v it_o a_o new_a coat_n sect._n 9_o the_o dr._n tell_v we_o of_o mr._n cartwright_n yea_o and_o all_o protestant_a church_n approve_v of_o this_o but_o will_v he_o say_v that_o they_o be_v for_o exclude_v the_o parent_n which_o be_v the_o very_a thing_n that_o we_o controvert_v for_o as_o the_o dr._n confess_v can._n 29._o ordain_v that_o parent_n need_v not_o be_v present_a and_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o answer_v that_o be_v they_o must_v not_o undertake_v for_o the_o instruction_n and_o education_n of_o their_o own_o child_n but_o say_v he_o the_o parent_n be_v to_o provide_v such_o as_o be_v fit._n i_o desire_v to_o know_v what_o warrant_n be_v for_o this_o even_o from_o sound_a reason_n who_o can_v be_v so_o fit_a by_o his_o opportunity_n and_o care_n as_o the_o parent_n and_o if_o he_o be_v whole_o unfit_a as_o to_o understanding_n and_o respect_n to_o true_a religion_n we_o be_v not_o against_o his_o have_v a_o deputy_n in_o that_o case_n that_o it_o be_v do_v with_o the_o parent_n consent_n be_v better_a so_o than_o otherwise_o but_o that_o the_o parent_n can_v transfer_v his_o right_n to_o another_o be_v without_o all_o reason_n unless_o the_o person_n to_o who_o such_o a_o translation_n be_v make_v do_v real_o take_v the_o education_n of_o the_o child_n which_o though_o by_o a_o private_a compact_n between_o the_o parent_n and_o sponsor_n may_v be_v do_v yet_o what_o shadow_n of_o reason_n can_v be_v for_o a_o canon_n compel_v every_o parent_n to_o do_v it_o it_o be_v say_v he_o but_o like_o a_o occasion_n of_o absence_n to_o wit_n of_o the_o parent_n in_o which_o case_n all_o allow_v of_o a_o sponsor_n ans._n it_o be_v no_o way_n like_o it_o for_o the_o one_o have_v necessity_n to_o warrant_v it_o the_o other_o have_v nothing_o but_o man_n will_n or_o superstitious_a conceit_n be_v it_o alike_o for_o the_o state_n to_o make_v a_o law_n that_o neighbour_n shall_v feed_v and_o clothe_v the_o orphan_n of_o poor_a parent_n and_o to_o make_v a_o law_n that_o they_o shall_v feed_v and_o clothe_v the_o child_n of_o their_o rich_a neighbour_n who_o be_v alive_a the_o case_n be_v just_a so_o here_o it_o be_v a_o injury_n to_o a_o man_n to_o have_v his_o child_n take_v from_o he_o without_o a_o cause_n and_o give_v to_o another_o to_o be_v educate_v so_o it_o be_v to_o be_v oblige_v yea_o force_v to_o transfer_v upon_o another_o all_o that_o right_o he_o have_v to_o represent_v his_o own_o child_n and_o to_o engage_v for_o his_o education_n he_o say_v it_o be_v not_o the_o church_n intention_n to_o supersede_n the_o obligation_n of_o the_o parent_n but_o to_o superinduce_v a_o further_a obligation_n upon_o other_o person_n have_v the_o parent_n be_v permit_v to_o undertake_v for_o the_o child_n joint_o with_o the_o sponsor_n there_o have_v be_v some_o colour_n for_o this_o assertion_n but_o that_o be_v express_o deny_v by_o the_o canon_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o make_v the_o parent_n think_v that_o no_o obligation_n at_o all_o lie_v on_o he_o i_o meddle_v not_o with_o his_o debate_n against_o mr._n b._n about_o mr._n b_n argument_n against_o sponsor_n from_o the_o child_n have_v right_a to_o baptism_n only_o from_o the_o parent_n many_o learned_a man_n differ_v from_o mr._n b._n in_o that_o and_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v to_o dispute_v it_o sect._n 10._o the_o dr._n pag._n 386._o say_v he_o find_v nothing_o particular_o object_v against_o kneel_v at_o the_o communion_n that_o deserve_v consideration_n which_o he_o have_v not_o answer_v in_o another_o place_n to_o wit_n conference_n first_o part_n which_o book_n i_o have_v not_o see_v wherefore_o i_o shall_v in_o a_o few_o word_n lay_v down_o our_o ground_n of_o scruple_v that_o practice_n and_o so_o leave_v it_o we_o do_v not_o scruple_n kneel_v at_o prayer_n which_o be_v join_v with_o receive_v of_o that_o sacrament_n nor_o do_v we_o deny_v that_o all_o possible_a reverence_n shall_v be_v use_v in_o go_v about_o that_o holy_a ordinance_n but_o we_o think_v the_o expression_n of_o that_o reverence_n shall_v be_v of_o god_n appoint_v in_o his_o word_n or_o ground_v on_o nature_n or_o civil_a custom_n and_o not_o institute_v by_o man_n will._n 1._o then_o we_o scruple_n it_o because_o it_o be_v a_o uncommanded_a act_n of_o worship_n that_o it_o be_v worship_n i_o think_v will_v not_o be_v deny_v kneel_v in_o prayer_n can_v be_v deny_v to_o be_v a_o act_n of_o external_a worship_n no_o more_o than_o this_o that_o it_o be_v uncommand_v we_o must_v believe_v till_o they_o show_v we_o a_o command_n for_o it_o they_o allege_v that_o kneel_v be_v unquestionable_a a_o fit_a gesture_n to_o express_v humility_n and_o adoration_n it_o can_v be_v unfit_a but_o needful_a in_o this_o case_n where_o both_o be_v require_v to_o this_o i_o reply_v humility_n be_v not_o fit_o express_v by_o kneel_v though_o adoration_n be_v and_o therefore_o we_o think_v kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v to_o be_v no_o fit_a gesture_n because_o adore_v however_o needful_a it_o be_v in_o the_o complex_fw-la action_n of_o communicate_v to_o wit_n before_o and_o after_o receive_v the_o element_n it_o be_v not_o the_o soul_n work_v in_o that_o act_n believe_v or_o covenant_v with_o god_n be_v the_o proper_a exercise_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o that_o act_n which_o be_v a_o solemn_a seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o this_o covenant_v be_v very_o unfit_o express_v by_o kneel_v he_o that_o be_v about_o solemn_a prayer_n or_o adoration_n which_o may_v be_v well_o express_v by_o kneel_v in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v that_o sacrament_n do_v little_o know_v or_o consider_v the_o nature_n and_o use_n of_o it_o whence_o i_o form_n our_o argument_n thus_o that_o religious_a gesture_n which_o be_v neither_o
upon_o episcopacy_n which_o we_o do_v not_o and_o he_o no_o doubt_n do_v it_o upon_o misinformation_n but_o it_o be_v observable_a that_o this_o good_a man_n who_o the_o dr._n bring_v as_o a_o witness_n on_o his_o side_n do_v as_o much_o blame_v the_o church_n as_o we_o whilst_o he_o be_v for_o their_o quit_n of_o ceremony_n that_o occasion_n separation_n which_o he_o insist_v much_o on_o as_o the_o way_n to_o peace_n a_o notable_a piece_n of_o misinformation_n that_o this_o worthy_a person_n have_v meet_v with_o be_v that_o at_o a_o conference_n hold_v for_o union_n with_o the_o dissenter_n a_o little_a after_o his_o majesty_n restauration_n nothing_o let_v the_o agreement_n but_o some_o of_o the_o presbyterian_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o and_o their_o great_a condescendency_n for_o peace_n be_v know_v to_o all_o england_n and_o a_o last_a monument_n of_o it_o to_o posterity_n be_v the_o book_n call_v a_o petition_n for_o peace_n contain_v the_o thing_n that_o the_o presbyterian_o propose_v while_o the_o prelatical_a party_n will_v not_o part_v with_o yea_o nor_o forbear_v their_o brethren_n in_o the_o least_o ceremony_n or_o mode_n of_o their_o service_n sect._n 16._o the_o three_o letter_n be_v from_o the_o famous_a and_o excellent_a mounseur_fw-fr claude_n who_o walk_v by_o the_o same_o spirit_n and_o in_o the_o same_o step_n with_o his_o reverend_a colleague_n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr l'_fw-fr angle_n he_o speak_v of_o episcopacy_n as_o tolerable_a that_o one_o may_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n live_v under_o it_o this_o be_v not_o our_o question_n but_o it_o seem_v the_o question_n have_v be_v so_o state_v to_o he_o by_o they_o who_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o procure_v his_o testimony_n to_o their_o cause_n he_o tell_v we_o they_o admit_v of_o minister_n that_o have_v be_v ordain_v by_o bishop_n so_o do_v we_o he_o do_v high_o commend_v love_n and_o concord_n and_o we_o think_v it_o can_v be_v overvalue_v where_o it_o can_v be_v have_v without_o sin._n he_o speak_v of_o advantage_n both_o by_o episcopacy_n and_o parity_n and_o of_o disadvantage_n by_o both_o when_o manage_v by_o bad_a man_n nothing_o of_o which_o do_v we_o contradict_v he_o complain_v of_o extreme_n on_o both_o side_n we_o do_v the_o same_o we_o never_o yet_o think_v all_o of_o our_o party_n so_o moderate_a as_o they_o shall_v be_v after_o a_o proof_n of_o independency_n he_o come_v to_o speak_v of_o presbyterian_o with_o that_o decent_a respect_n that_o become_v a_o man_n of_o his_o understanding_n and_o breed_n and_o in_o a_o far_o other_o dialect_n than_o dr._n st._n do_v he_o wish_v they_o to_o be_v moderate_a in_o reference_n to_o the_o scandal_n that_o they_o think_v they_o have_v receive_v from_o the_o episcopal_a order_n and_o to_o distinguish_v the_o person_n from_o the_o ministry_n this_o we_o refuse_v not_o he_o do_v indeed_o condemn_v our_o hold_a assembly_n apart_o but_o state_v it_o on_o this_o ground_n page_z 445._o as_o if_o we_o do_v separate_a because_o 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