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A08533 The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme. Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626. 1605 (1605) STC 18852; ESTC S113478 77,758 124

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quote_v rom._n 7._o 15._o ●allowe_v not_o that_o which_o i_o do_v for_o what_o i_o will_v that_o i_o do_v not_o but_o what_o i_o hate_v that_o do_v i._o and_o verse_n 18._o for_o i_o know_v that_o in_o i_o that_o be_v in_o my_o flesh_n dwelleeh_o no_o good_a thing_n for_o to_o will_n be_v present_a with_o i_o but_o i_o find_v no_o mean_n to_o perform_v that_o which_o be_v good_a and_o vers_fw-la 21._o i_o find_v then_o by_o the_o law_n that_o when_o i_o will_v do_v good_a e●i●●_n be_v present_a with_o i_o to_o prove_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o receive_v the_o communion_n kneel_v 1._o kneel_v admon_n ●ag_n 182._o sect_n 1._o they_o qu●te_v exod._n 20._o 5._o thou_o shall_v not_o bow_v down_o to_o they_o nor_o worshipe_n they_o to_o prove_v that_o minister_n be_v not_o ●yed_v to_o any_o form_n of_o prayer_n invent_v by_o man_n 3._o man_n admon_n pag._n 77._o sect_n 3._o they_o quote_v 1._o timo._n 1._o 2._o unto_o timothy_n my_o natural_a