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A91153	A brief necessary vindication of the old and new secluded Members, from the false malicious calumnies; and of the fundamental rights, liberties, privileges, government, interest of the freemen, parliaments, people of England, from the late avowed subversions 1. Of John Rogers, in his un-christian concertation with Mr. Prynne, and others. 2. Of M: Nedham, in his Interest will not lie. Wherein the true good old cause is asserted, the false routed; ... / By William Prynne of Swainswick Esq; a bencher of Lincolns-Inne.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1659 (1659)	Wing P3913; Thomason E772_2; ESTC R203220	47,789	64

A Brief Necessary VINDICATION Of the Old and New SECLUDED MEMBERS from the false malicious CALVMNIES AND Of the Fundamental Rights Liberties Privileges Government Interest of the Freemen Parliaments People of England from the late avowed Subversions 1. Of John Rogers in his Un-christian Concertation with Mr. Prynne and others 2. Of M Nedham in his Interest will not lie Wherein the true Good Old Cause is asserted the false routed The old secluded Members cleared from all pretended breach of trust The old Parliament proved to be totally dissolved by the Kings death The sitting Juncto to be no Parliament and speedily to be dissolved by the Army-Officers The Oathes of Supremacy Allegiance Fealty to the King his Heirs and Successors to be still binding continuing The New Commonwealth to be the Iesuites Project Ch. Stewart not sworn to Popery as Nedham slanders him The restitution of our Hereditary King and Kingly Government not an Vtopian Republike evidenced beyond contradiction to be Englands true Interest both as Men and Christians and the only way to peace safety settlement By WILLIAM PRYNNE of Swainswick Esq a Bencher of Lincolns-Inne Jer. 51. 9 10. We would have healed ENGLISH BABYLON but she would not be healed forsake her and let us go every one to his own Country for her judgement reacheth unto heaven and is lifted up even to the skies The Lord hath brought forth our righteousness come and let us declare in Zion the work of the Lord our God Ps. 63. 11. But the mouth of them that speak Lies shall be stopped London Printed and are to be sold by Edward Thomas at the Adam and Eve in Little Britain 1659. A brief necessary Vindication of the Old and New secluded Members c. ON the 17. of this instant September during my private retirement in the Country for my health and quiet I received 2. Books fraught with malicious calumnies bitter scoffs insufferable Reproaches against my Self and other secluded Members yea destructive to the very fundamental Rights Liberties Privileges Government Interest of the Freemen Parliaments and Realm of England for which we have so many years contested The 1. of these thus intituled A Christian Concertation with M. Prynne M. Baxter M. Harrington for the true Cause of the Commonwealth c. by J Rogers A most scurrillous Pasquil fraught with absurd impertinencies conjuring canting new-coyned a swelling words of vanity odious comparisons bitter scoffs rayling Epethites b loathsom stinking obscene Queres defiling the very air c boyish tricks playing with mens names and reputations which he d severely censures in others yet is most guilty of himself displaying him to be rather a e conjuring Sorcerer than Gospel-Minister an Apostate scoffing Lucian than sober real Christian standing much in need of the f several Pills he prescribes Mr. Baxster to purge his filthy stomack spleen brain heart pen from such rotten stinking humors for the future almost every page in his book being either g Scandalum Magnum or Scandalum Magnatum to use his own expressions often distilling from him but his h egregious flattery of his own faction The 2. Interest will not lie Or a View of Englands True Interest by Mar Nedham which had he intituled Interest will lie Or a View of Englands False Interest by Mar. England it had been a true Character of it The first most furiously chargeth me and my secluded companions in the Van the later in the Rear The one with whole Vollies of fired squibs more like a Whiffler than a Muskateer shooting nothing but wild-fire and i bitter words without bullets The other like a Trumpeter rather than a Trooper sounding a fierce charge against us with his Trumpet without wounding us with his Lance or Sword which are very obtuse To avoid prolixity impertinence and repetitions I shall reduce all the material Differences between us into 6. distinct Questions wherin I shall refute what they have published relating to my self the other secluded Members the Rights Privileges Interest of our Parliaments and Nation with all possible Brevity omitting their personal scoffs and scurrilities The 1. Question between J. Rogers and Mr. Prynne wherein Nedham hath no share is but this Whether the Defence maintenance of the true Protestant Religion the Kings royal person authority government posterity the privileges and rights of Parliament consisting of King Lords and Commons the Laws Statutes of the Land the Liberty Property of the Subject and peace safety of the Kingdom were the only True and Good Old Cause for which the long Parliament and their Armies first took up Arms in 1642. and continued them till the Treaty with the King 1648. as Mr. Prynne asserts and proves like k a Lawyer by punctual Evidences Witnesses Votes Declarations Remonstrances Ordinances of both Houses yea of the Army-Officers Generals Council during all the wars in his Good Old Cause rightly stated his True and perfect Narrative The Re-publicans and others spurious Good Old cause briefly and truly anatomized and in his Concordia Discors Or whether the erecting of a New Commonwealth and Parliament without a King and House of Lords and Majority of the Commons House upon the ruines of the late King Kingdom Parliament since 1648. to 1653. and the reviving of it May 7. 1659. by some swaying Army-Officers and the farr Minor part of the old Commons House confederating with them by meer armed power secluding the greatest Number of the surviving Members and whole House of Lords Which J. Rogers endeavors to prove like a Logician without any evidence witness but his own Ipse scripsit though l professedly disclamed by both Houses of Parliament and the Army too in sundry printed Declarations as the highest scandal never once entring into their loyal thoughts When this Logician with all his Sophistry Anatomy Pills Physick can make that which was never in being but since 1648. as we all know and himself asserts in his Concertation p. 7 9. to be the Good Old Cause in being m long before the last Parliament of King Charles for whose defence they first took up arms in 1642. Or that cause which never once entred into their thoughts and was professedly disclamed till 1648. to be the cause they proclamed and fought for from the wars beginning he must yeeld up his Spurious Good Old Cause as desperate his scurrillous Goos-quils to use his n own words dashing the GALL of his ink upon Mr. Prynnes former papers to little purpose in this particular but to blot them a little not to answer them a line nor the Argument of them in the least The 2. Question is this Whether Mr. Prynne with the Majority of the Commons House and whole House of Peers were forcibly secluded the Parliament by the Army for any real breach and forfeiture of their trusts in 1648. or ever legally impeached convicted thereof either then or since before any lawfull Judicature This Rogers briefly and not very positively

thereupon forfeit his Kingship and Crown and became a private person and enemy dissolved the Constitution both of the Kingdom and Parliament and not only violated all Law in the branches but plucked up the very root of it in destroying the Parliamentary Establishment as much as in him lay and thereby introduced another Law of Arms From whence he deduceth 3. Conclusions 1 The Justice of secluding the Members 2ly The Sufficiency of the authority that condemned and executed the King 3ly The Legality of the remaining Members continuing and sitting as the Parliament and Supreme Authority of England which after the Kings beheading and other Members and Lords seclusion descended and was transmitted to them by the Law of war for the people This he determines to be Law and Reason too sufficient to convince both Royallists and Presbyterians of the Lawfulnes of the Power and present sitting acting as a Parliament by those few Members at Westminster secluding all the rest To which I answer 1. That if the Kings death by Law Reason dissolved the Parliament in an orderly cause because his writs of summons abated by his death they could not treat with him concerning his and his Kingdoms affairs nor he consent to any Bills after his decease Which he freely grants Then by the self-same Reason Law his violent death must dissolve this Parliament as I have largely proved 2ly If the Kings levying war against the Parliament did actually dissolve the very Constitution Law of the Parliament and Kingdom and made him no King at all but a private person which he layes for his foundation then it must necessarily dissolve the Parliament and Kingdom too and make them no Parliament no Kingdom at all as well as himself no King For how can the Parliament continue when its very Constitution is dissolved 3ly By this Position it inevitably follows that we had neither King Parliament Kingdom nor any Laws at all but only of Warr from the beginning of the wars or first battel at least between the Kings and Parliaments forces many years before his death But this the King kingdom Parliament the sitting as well as secluded Members both Armies and our whole 3. kingdoms ever denied in all their Votes Orders Ordinances Declarations Remonstrances Petitions Treaties Propositions whatsoever from 1641. till December 1648. and Nedham himself in his Diurnalls and Mercuries In all which the Parliament both Houses and Army-Officers stiled him their KING and the King and his party ever stiled them the Houses of Parliament Therefore this position must be a most Notorious Falshood wherein Interest doth grosly lie 4ly Those he stiles the honest faithfull Members in their very Votes of Non addresses passed by force and fraud in their Knack for the Kings tryal● Impeachment Proceedings Sentence of condemnation against him after our seclusion in their Declaration of 17 Martii 1648. after his death and sundry other Papers ever stiled and acknowledged him TO BE KING and ENGLAND HIS KINGDOM notwithstanding the wars between him and the Parliament Therefore the very war did not Vnking nor make him a Private person nor dissolve the Constitution of the Kingdom and Parliament else there could not be a war against or between the King or Parliament if the war it self unkinged him unparliamented them and dissolved all their constitutions 5ly No person by the a Law of God Nature Nations the Great Charter Laws Statutes of England and Votes of Parliament ought actually to forfeit or to be ipso facto deprived of his Office Freehold Liberties Estate Life without a legal proceeding tryal conviction judgement attainder Much less then the King himself the Supreme Magistrate and Governor of the Realm in whom all have a common interest unkinged and made a private person or publike Enemy and totally deprived of his Crown and Soveraignty Therefore his actual levying war against the Parliament without before any legal impeachment conviction or sentence of deposition could not unking nor make him a private person as the cases of Edward the 2. and Richard the 2. and the b Parliaments which deprived them of their Kingships after their resignations clearly resolved against this Jesuitical new Doctrine 6ly If the King by his bare levying war against the Parliament actually lost his Kingship and became a meer private person before any sentence of deprivation then by the self-same reason law every Traitor levying war or conspiring against the King every Murderer Theef Felon corrupt Judge Justice Mayor Sherif Inferior Officer by the very committing of Treason Murder Felony Adultery Bribery Injustice and breach of their respective trusts should be actually attainted of those offences their Lands Offices presently confiscated without any Indictment trial verdict judgement against them yea every act of Adultery by any Husband or Wife should actually dissolve the bond of marriage for ever without and before any Sentence of divorce between them which * Mr. Wheatly publikely recanted as a dangerous error And how destructive such new Nedham Interest Law would prove to all mens lives liberties estates yea to every mans soul since every act of sinne by like consequence should actually damn and make even Saints themselves to fall totally and finally from Grace and Gods favor let all judicious men resolve 7ly If this be Law then had the King and Parliament upon any Treaty after the wars accorded he ought to have been new proclamed installed crowned King again and the Parliament resummoned by new writs 8ly He confesseth this to be the very principle of Barclay the Jesuit from whom he borrows it p. 34. Therefore his present Parliament and Republike built thereon are purely Jesuitical by his own confession 9ly This Jesuits position is not so bad as his He speaks not of every Civil war made by a King upon his Subjects for which there may be just occasions but only of a King warring upon his people of purpose to extirpate and destroy them which he saith it seems almost impossible any King should be so mad as ever to attempt Which the King in his war against the Parliament by his victories proceedings against the Prisoners Members Towns he took during the wars in sparing all their lives actually really and oft times verbally and professedly disclamed in all his Proclamations Speeches Remonstrances Messages to and Treaties with the Houses Therefore his war against them did neither unking him nor make him a private person and publike Enemy by this Jesuites resolution 10ly If the Kings war against the Parliament did really unking him then certainly the Generals Army-Officers and Armies actual levying war upon both Houses of Parliament by secluding securing the Members and King did really uncommission and unarmy them and made them no Officers no Army at all but a rebellious rout and all Members concurring with them therein no Members no Parliament at all The sequel is infallible Therefore Nedham must either now disclaim this desperate Jesuitical position with all his 3. Treasonable

manifold affronts injuries provocations reproaches persecutions of some of their own Protestant Subjects their exile from their Protestant Kingdoms their Protestant Friends in France Holland their extreme pressing necessities and the frequent sollicitations arguments perswasions promises temptatious of Priests Jesuites Papists and Popish Princes a to turn Papists as the only means to regain their rights and restore Ch. Stuart to his Crowns and Kingdoms Now that this his forced Exile into France and Flanders by a prevailing party of his own Protestant Subjects against all their Oathes Protestations Vowes Covenants Remonstrances Declarations Allegiances Duties our Known Laws the practice of all the primitive Christian and other Protestant Churches the principle of Christian Religion and of our own Protestant Church both in our Articles Homilies Canons Writers Liturgies and his forced sojourning there amongst Jesuites Papists with his grand necessities of which they have been the only Authors to their own eternal infamy and intollerable scandal dishonour shame reproach of our Protestant Kingdoms Churches Religion enforcing him to cry out with holy King David when forced by Saul and his rebellious Son Absolom out of his Kingdom from Gods Ordinances among Pagan Idolaters Ps. 120. 5. Wo is me that I sojourn in Mesech that I dwell in the tents of Kedar My soul hath long dwelt with them that hate peace c. should be thus objected against him by this rayling Shimei and the Authors of it over and over as a convincing evidence that he is sufficiently affected if not sworn to Popery notwithstanding his open constant avowed profession of the Protestant Religion to the admiration of the world the joy of all true Protestants and Gods great glory as well as his own and made now a motive to excite his Protestant Subjects in this juncture of time and revolution of affairs to take up arms afresh against him to keep him still in exile amidst Jesuits Papists and hinder his restitution to his hereditary Kingdoms and the benefit of Gods Ordinances among his own Protestant Subjects for his and their preservation and of the reformed Religion now much endangered by intestin wars the policies of Jesuits and combination of the Pope and Popish Princes to be totally extirpated throughout the world is not only a most unparalleld piece of malice and calumny but the very quintessence of Jesuitism and Jesuitical policy The rather because all our Protestant Bishops Ministers Martyrs in Queen Maries daies when imprisoned by her for their Religion though restored to her Crown against the usurpations of Queen Jane a Protestant by their assistance and the a Suffolk Protestants quorum propter Religionis causam propensissimus favor Janae adfuturum inde sperabatur by their joynt Letter to all their Protestant Brethren recorded in b Mr. Fox not only declared Queen Maries open obstinate profession of Popery to be no just cause in Law or Conscience to keep her from her hereditary Right to the Crown but likewise humbly required and in the bowels of our Lord Jesus Christ beseeched all that feared God to behave themselves as obedient Subjects to Her Highness and the Supreme powers ordained under Her and rather after their example to give their Heads to the block than in any wise to rebell against the Lords Anointed Quéen MARY in no point consenting to any Rebellion or Sedition against Her Highness Much lesse then ought his slight suggestions of Ch. Stuarts secret inclination to Popery against his constant avowed profession of Protestantism in the very midst of the most Jesuited Papists to be any argument at all for his Protestant Subjects not to assist but to rise up and rebell against him to keep him from the Crown 3ly The extraordinary sottishnesse and infatuation of those Protestants who will be cheated seduced by such Jesuitical suggestions calumnies as Nedham and others have published of him touching his inclination to Popery to withdraw their affections assistance from him either to supply his necessities or restore him if not to his hereditary Civil Rights yet at least to the comfortable fruition of Gods Ordinances and Christian Society in our Protestant Churches and Kingdom for his spiritual Consolation and Salvation 4ly The most barbarous infernal matchlesse malice of those degenerated Republican and Army-Saints professing themselves Stars of the greatest Magnitude in the Protestant Orb in expelling their undoubted natural hereditary Protestant King not only out of all his own Protestant Realms Dominions but likewise out of Holland and France where he lived in exile and had the relief and society of Protestants into Flanders the most Jesuited place in the world as Nedham prints where are none but Papists enforcing him there to live upon their alms alone and keep him there in Exile on purpose to necessitate him with his Brothers followers adherents to renounce the Protestant Religion and party and become professed Papists to destroy murder his and their souls and bodies at once and deprive him of his eternal Crown in heaven as well as of his temporal Crowns on earth a Be astonished ô heavens and be ye horribly afraid at this unpresidented Tyranny and Treachery the highest Malignity of Jesuitism and express revived Image of the Jesuites design against his Grandfather King Henry the 4. of France who shifting his religion by the Jesuites perswasion to secure his Crown and Life against their malicious designs was soon after b by their instigation deprived of both if not of his eternal Crown by a stab through his heart by one of their disciples though he had bequeathed his heart to them by will and built them a magnificent College richly indowed by him with lands and plate If then c the tree as Christ himself resolves may be certainly known by its fruits we may easily judge from whence these rotten bitter fruits of Jesuitism originally sprung and who were the planters of those trees which bear them But if they cannot effect this infernal design to destroy his Soul and body together yet they will make use of it to murder his reputation and render him a suspected if not a devoted proselyte to Popery to debarr his return to his Protestant Kingdoms d And shall not God visit for these sins Shall not his Soul be avenged on such a Nation as this I shall add a 4th Evidence I only pointed at e before worthy special observation which will fully answer the late printed Sheet intituled A clear Vindication of Roman Catholicks from a foul aspersion cast on them by Mr. Prynne and Mr. Baxster as if they made and headed Sects had a powerful influence upon the Army in relation to their proceedings against the late King and Changes to reduce us under the power of ROME which the namelesse Author saith the chiefest of their Clergy and Laity with whom he hath spoken protest to be a black Calumny Mr. P. and Mr. B. do neither of them charge the Roman Catholicks in general but only the Jesuites

the majority of their fellow Members against all Rules of Law Justice Conscience the Rights Privileges of Parliament and their former Protestation League Covenant Remonstrances by the self-same Army-Officers who secluded them by their confederacie and now have called them in again for the ends recited in my Narrative Which if they refuse to prosecute at the Armies and Sectaries instigation John Rogers his scurrilous Passages and Queres against the old secluded Members p. 7 38 39 c. and Nedhams large Justification of their former seclusion upon false irrational Jesuitical Principles will sufficiently animate them to thrust their Masters out of doors uppon the self-same reasons and false pretences he allegeth for that seclusion with their approbation yea Rogers his discontented Passages forecited p. 46 47. threaten some sudden approaching storm and ejection to them which they shall not escape Nec enim Lex justior ulla Quam necis artifices arte perire suâ So that all the surviving re-secluded Members and our oppressed wearied Nations shall ere long once more have cause to say and sing with the Kingly Prophet Ps. 9. 15 16. The Heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made in the net which they hid is their own foot taken The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth the wicked is snared in the works of his own hands Haggaion Selah Swainswick Sept. 23. 1659. FINIS ERRATA COurteous Reader correct these Errors at the Press by means of the Authors absence in the Country Page 2. l. 5 6. often distilling r. against all disserting l. 6. his an p. 9. l. 10. r. who yet continued p. 11. l. 32. r. 1653. p. 13. l. ●0 it r. them p. 16. l. 4. therefore whereupon l. 18. stronger r. stranger p. 17. l. 2. cause r. course p. 19. l. 6. r. Barclay and the very Jesuites l. 9. 22. this Jesuits r. the Iesuites He speaks they speak p. 21. l. 20. in l. 22. retained p. 22. l. 37. being r. over p. 31. l. 10. disowned l. 12. Thus that l. 21. and but p. 34. l. 9. seeming r. surviving p. 31. l. 3. Volumes Vollies p. 35. l. 2. up us p. 38. l. 14. r. Jesuites and Barclay p. 37. l. 7. jugalarunt a 2 Pet. 2. 18. Jude 16. b In his p. 35. to 41. c pag. 4. 119. d p. 20 21 22 24 98 57. e His own phrases p. 3 4. f p. 59 65 26. g p. 24 25. h p. 10 17 18 19 c. i Psal. 64. 3. Question 1. k Rogers p. 2. l See My Speech Dec. 4 1648. p. 79. to 94. m As himself proves Concertation p. 43 44. n page 1. Quest 2. a Page 36 37. b In my Epistle before my Speech Dec. 4. 1648. and Vindication of the secured and secluded Members a Tertull. Apologia pro Christianis a See the Epistle Appendix to my Speech 1648. a John 8. 44. a The Armies Declaration Apr. 20. 1653 August 12. 1653. And a true State of the Common wealth of England p. 8 10. a See the second part of my Register Kalendar of all Parliamentary Writs Objection a Nedham p. 31. a See their Declaration Votes M. 17. for suppressing the Lords House b See my Plea for the Lords Question 3. * Pag. 35 to 42. a Deut. 17. 8. c. 19. 15. John 7. 51. Acts 19. 38. c. 25. 17. Magna Charta c. 29. Cook ibidem b See my Plea for the Lords p. 424 to 460. * In his Bridebush * See Speed Trussel Holinshed Walsingham Hall Stow and others in R. 2. H. 4. My Plea for the Lords p. 424 to 456. a See the Acts Votes Declarations against them * Page 40 41. * Totles Mag Charta f. 52. Hen. de Knyghton de Event Angl. l. 3. c. 14. My plea for the Lords p. 268 269 278 279 280 193. Exact Abridgement p. 53. 195. 368. 376. to 386. * Hobards Reports p. 155. 183. Quest 4. Quest 5. a P. 27 to 36. a P. 34 to 41. i See their printed Petitions to that effect to King James Mr. Edwards Gangraenaes and Treatise against Toleration k See my Epistle before my Historical and Legal Vindication e {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} p. 235 to 251. a See Militiere his Victory of truth dedicated to him Mutatus Polemo p. 32 33. a Rerum Anglicarum Annales Lond 1616. p. 3. p. 116. Mr. Fox Vol. 3. b Acts and Monuments Vol. 3. p. 101 102. a Jer. 2. 12. b See the General History of France Hospinian Ludovicus Lucius Hist. Jesuitica l. 3. c. 2. Speculum Jesuiticum p. 75 80. c Mat. 7. 16 20. d Jer. 5. 9 29. e True perfect Narrative p. 62. a 23 Eliz. c. 1. 27 Eliz. c. 2. 1 Jac. c. 4. 3 Jac. c. 5. Question 6. * Rogers p. 6. 10 37 38 119. Nedham p. 32 c. * See Gildas Beda Aethelred Mat. Westminster Geoffry Monmouth Wigorniensis Malmsbury Huntingdon Hoveden Matt. Paris Walsingham Simeon Dunelmensis Brompton Knyghton Holinshed Grafton Speed Fox Baker Cambdens Britannia * 25 H 8 c. 22. 1 Eliz. c. 1 3 4. 5 Jac. c. 1 2. with the Acts in the Narrative p. 91 92. ‖ See Rastal Treason Crown Provision Praemunire Rome Recusants † See An Exact Collection and Collection of them My Speech Memento Prynne the Member reconciled to Prynne the Barrester The Good Old Cause truly stated * Isay 49. 23. c. 60. 3 10 11. † ps. 72. 10 11. Isa. 42. 4 12. c. 51. 5. c. 60. 3. 9 10. c. 66. 19. * Ps. 63. 3. a Cl. 22 E. 1. dors 10 11. Cl. 24 E. 1. d. 8. 10. Cl. 27 E. 1. d. 7. Cl. 32 E. 1. d. 7. 16. Cl. 34 E. 1. d. 9. 16. Cl. 35 E. 1. d. 9. 15 17. b Liber Regalis Ms. The Breef of the Rites Prayers used at the Kings Coronation Ms. * Gal. 6. 7. a See their Declaration May 6. 1659. b Exact Collection p. 663 664 695 696 See p. 631 632 633. 641 to 645 657 658. * De Clementia l. 1. c. 3 4. * Virgil Georg l. 2. * Suetonius Tacitus Eutropius plutarch Grimston in his life * Exact Collection p. 657 658 695 696. See my Speech p. 80 81 101 102 103. a Ovid Metamorph lib. 1. b Gen. 1. 2. c Rogers Concertation p. 62 70 c. a 2 Chron. 10. 10. a Titus 1. 16. 2 Pet. 2. 1. Jude 4. b Cornelius Cornelii Praefatio in Minores Prophetas Militiere his Victory of Truth See my Narrative p. 55. ‖ Ezech. 37. 23. Ephes. 4. 4 5 6. 1 Cor. ● 4. 6. * Gen. 1. 16. Ps. 136. 8. a In their Agreement of the people Declaration 20 Novemb. 1648. b Jan. 6. 1648.