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A48461 A treatise of particular predestination vvherein ar[e] answered three letters. 1. Tending to disprove particular predestination. 2. To shew the contradiction betwixt Christ dying for all, and Gods election of some. 3. To prove that the soule doth not come from the parent, and consequently that there is no originall sinne. By Thomas Lamb. Lamb, Thomas, d. 1686. 1642 (1642) Wing L212A; ESTC R216650 13,022 22

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and are sanctified before they are saved but most properly is the question whether Faith Sanctity and obedience be the cause of Election this doe I absolutely deny Secondly I doe accuse you of weaknesse because you doe not answer to the second part of the reason at all which if you had I conceive you would have found it to strong for you and therefore it is meere weaknesse to shun the strength of an Argument to prove this I expresse the former Argument by me framed and it was this That which God doth in time he did appoint or decree to doe before time but he doth cause some to beleeve in Christ and not others Ergo he did so decree before This you say proves not particular Election and doth it not indeed I would put you in mind that it doth for it sheweth that God doth in time cause some to beleeve and not others Ergo he did elect their persons and appoint and decree them to beleeve in Christ before Now to prove this I shewed that the sole cause of the difference proceeded from the Lord why one beleeved and not another by these Scriptures Mat. 13.11 Where Christ saith To you it is given to know the Secrets of the Kingdome of Heaven but to others it is not given Phil. 1.29 To you it given for Christ not onely to beleeve in him but also to suffer for his sake Phil. 2.13 for it is God which worketh in you both the will and the deed The Conclusion then is this if God work Faith in some in time and not in others then hee did appoint so to doe before and consequently did elect them and not others the former is by me proved and not by you disproved nor denyed for you make no answer thereunto whether God God causeth some to beleeve above others or no this you speake nothing to at all and the other you grant to be a truth namely what hee doth in time he decreed to doe before Ergo he did elect and appoint some to beleeve and not others And thus you may behold your selfe to deale very weakly and the strength to prevaile against you deale therefore more strongly next time and more punctually or else yeeld to the truth Thirdly I doe accuse you of errour in the sequell of your discourse in that you make a respective Decree of Election in reference unto what man will doe in point of beleeving Sanctification obedience and perseverance which if it bee so then man is the cause of his Election and adoption and then such a person may rejoyce in what he hath done in causing himselfe to be elected and adopted but against this I doe set the manifest words of Scripture 1 Cor. 4.7 who is it that hath separated thee or caused thee to differ from another man you say a mans selfe by his voluntary beleeving and practising the duties of Sanctification obedience and perseverance but against this the text is considerable what hast thou that thou hast not received if you will now say that the Gospell is Gods gift but the ability to beleeue obey and presevrere is in man or else God should be Vnjust to condemne us for not doing that with we have no Power to doe here would I have you to hold to the Text that either you have not this Power as you are men simply or if you have then another man hath it as well as you then doth Paul aske the question still who hath separated or caused thee to differ from another man if you say you used the ability or power which you had aright which if another had done as I have he had sped as well as I then this will follow that you have separated or caused your selfe to differ from another man by a right use of the power you had in your selfe above another and have not received it and may glory as if you had not received it but fie upon this filthy error which doth so set up man and take from God contrary to the mind of Paul in this place and also in the 1 Cor. 1.27 28 29. Where it is said that God electeth foolish weak vile despised things and things that are not one end is to bring to naught things that are another end is that no Flesh should glory in his presence in Ephes 1.4.5 6. compared with chap. 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13. Wee may see that he choseth those that were dead in sins Children of wrath Gentiles uncircumcision such as were without Christ strangers from the Common-wealth of Israel aliens from the Covenants of Promise such as had neither Faith nor Hope but were a farre off without God in the World yea even at this time when they were dead by sinnes ver 5. then did God set his great love upon them ver 4. to chuse them Chap. 4. that he might worke Faith and Holinesse in them Chap. 2.8.10 that thereby he might set forth his rich Grace and kindnesse and praise ver 7 Chap. 1.6 and that he might take from man all occasion of arrogating to himselfe any boasting at all Chap. 2.8 9. thus I conceive I have replied sufficiently to your answer and would put you in mind that there were two reasons more which you have not spoken too at all and it is much that you 〈…〉 three Reasons 〈…〉 two of them 〈…〉 you have ans●●red the 〈◊〉 to my purpose 〈…〉 have no● spoken to 〈…〉 them 〈…〉 to prove the thing in a 〈◊〉 That 〈…〉 is the 〈…〉 the 〈◊〉 Now the 〈◊〉 why God sends the Gospel 〈◊〉 be preached which is the 〈◊〉 of Faith 〈◊〉 plen●●●sly in the pla●● then 〈…〉 of his El●●t and chosen ones in th●● place 〈…〉 Act. 18 6.9● 11. comp●●● with the 16.7 8 9 10. 〈◊〉 Election is 〈◊〉 cause of Faith Eternall life is the gift of God Rom 6.22 therefore all the causes concurring to 〈…〉 bee the gift of God a●so But some persons onely are 〈…〉 those 〈◊〉 as those in whom onely 〈…〉 Faith is a cause concurring to 〈…〉 E●go Election 〈◊〉 cause and Faith as its proper effect it 's the gift of God Here followeth an answer to Letter which was 〈…〉 In which answer is shewed how that the some and originall sinne and corruption of nature is derived by the 〈…〉 ration from Adam LOving friend according to you● 〈◊〉 have ad●●ssed my selfe to you in these few following 〈◊〉 for you● perusall You say wee have beene in dispute about the soules comming from God you say I deny it I conceive you are mistaken for I only say the soule doth not come from God immediately with out the meanes of the parents for by th● meanes of the Parents hold the soule to come from God and the body also You say it is impossible for the 〈◊〉 of one 〈…〉 the Sp●rit● f●● other because the Spirit is the 〈◊〉 To which I answer separate the Spirit of the 〈◊〉 from the flesh in the act of generation and