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A03584
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The ansvvere of Mr. Richard Hooker to a supplication preferred by Mr Walter Travers to the HH. Lords of the Privie Counsell
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Hooker, Richard, 1553 or 4-1600.; Jackson, Henry, 1586-1662.
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STC 13706; ESTC S104190
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derogation_n of_o the_o religion_n and_o doctrine_n receive_v that_o the_o hearer_n denounce_v the_o same_o to_o the_o ordinary_a or_o the_o next_o bishop_n of_o the_o same_o place_n but_o not_o open_o to_o contrary_a or_o to_o impugn_v the_o same_o speech_n so_o disorderly_o utter_v whereby_o may_v grow_v offence_n and_o disquiet_n of_o the_o people_n but_o shall_v be_v convince_v and_o reprove_v by_o the_o ordinary_a after_o such_o agreeable_a order_n as_o shall_v be_v see_v to_o he_o according_a to_o the_o gravity_n of_o the_o offence_n and_o that_o it_o be_v present_v within_o one_o month_n after_o the_o word_n speak_v