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A93702	Rome ruin'd by VVhite Hall, or, The papall crown demolisht: containing a confutation of the three degrees of popery, viz. papacy, prelacy, and presbitery; answerable to the triple crowne of the three-headed Cerberus the Pope, with his three fold hierarchies aforesaid. With a dispelling of all other dispersed clouds of errour, which doth interpose the clear sun-shine of the Gospel in our horrizon. Wherein the chiefe arguments each of them have, for the vindication of their erronious tenents are incerted, and refuted; with a description of such whem [sic] the true Church of Christ doth consist of: as also how, and by whom, they may be gathered, and governed, according to the will, and appointment of Jesus Christ, and his apostles, in the primative purity thereof. / By Iohn Spittlehouse, assistant to the Marshall Generall of the Army, under the command of his Excellency, the Lord Generall Fairfax. Imprimated by Theod. Jennings, and entred in the Stationers Hall.	Spittlehouse, John.	1649 (1649)	Wing S5013; Thomason E586_2; ESTC R203633	304,213	396

then make better tryall of mans obedience then in forbidding that which is good But to the point in question if all were alike saved by the death of Christ why then are the termes of election and Predestination used so frequently in Scripture SECT 5. Object VVHat is meant by the word Election and Predestination Answ Predestination is the eternall decree of God whereby he determined with himself what he would have become of every What election is in the generall man for men are not since the fall of Adam created to the like estate and condition but for some eternall life and for others eternall death is appointed whereby Gods free election is made manifest seeing it lyeth in his will what shall be the estate and condition of every Nation whereof the Lord sheweth a token in the whole issue of Abraham as we may read Gen. 24. 37. Deut 32. 8. Psal 147. 20. There is also a certain speciall election wherein appeareth Of particular election more plainly the grace of God seeing that of the same Stock of Abraham God rejected some as Ishmael and Esau and at length most of the Tribes of Israel unto whom the entery of life were shut before them by his just yet by his incomprehensible judgement In the next place it is requisite to shew the effect that Gods The effects of election and repto●ation election and reprobation worketh and 1. Touching the elect whom God in his mercy hath appointed to salvation for his own righteousnesse sake and not for their desert Those he guideth by the grace of his holy Spirit Rom. 8. 14. c. 9. c. As many as are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God as also the Prophet Isai All those that I have called by my name I have created fashioned and made for my honour Isa 43. SECT 6. NOw as the elect are led guided and directed by the Spirit of God so on the contrary are the reprobate by the spirit of Sathan who is the God of the world or worldly-minded men and hence it is that Christ telleth the wicked Jewes That they were of their father the Devill Joh. 8. 44. whose workes they did so that as on the one side the elect indeavoured to doe the will of God their Father so the other the will of their father the Devill And those sort of people are compared by the Prophet Isaiah S●mpromes of the sonnes of Sathan to a raging Sea that cannoe rest whose waters foameth with myre and gravell for they have no peace with God Isa 57. 20. The Prophet David also considering of their estate and condition Psa 73. 4 5 6. giveth this reason for it viz. The Lord suffereth them to come to no perill of death but they are lusty and strong they come in no danger like other folke neither are they plagued like other men Their eyes swell with fatnesse and they doe even what they lust they have riches in possession and they call their Lands by their owne names And this is the cause saith he that they be so holden with pride and overwhelmed with cruelty these are they that talke against the most highest which say Tush how shall God perceive it is there knowledge in the most high Can he heare our Swearings see our secret Wheredomes and Adulteries Doth he take notice of our prophaning the Sabbaths or of our quaffing and drinking of healths of villifying Professors with reproachfull tearmes of Schismaticks and Hereticks and the like surely no. Such as these were Cain Cham Ishmael Pharaoh Ammon Their predecessor Saul Absolom Antiochus Herod Pilate Judas the traitor and many others who brought upon themselves eternall condemnation The same Prophet David also describeth the end of such men with another reason of it in these words namely That the Their end Lord hath set them in slippery places and cast them downe and destroyed them by which meanes how suddenly doe they consume and perish and come to a fearefull end yea even as a dreame so doth he make their image to vanish SECT 7. Object IF God have reprobated and cast them off how can they doe any other the cause of sinning therefore is not in them but in God who leaveth them to themselves how doe those Scriptures agree then where the Lord saith that he delighteth not in the death of a sinner Ezek. 33. 6. And O that Israel would obey me c. with O Jerusalem Jerusalem how often would I have gathered thee together and ye would not Mat. 23. 37. As also that he willeth not the death of a sinner and other while that some are ordained of old to condemnation as in Jude vers 6. Judas also is called the sonne of perdition Joh. 17. 12. Ans To the Answer which hath formerly been made to such Sundry arguments answered touching rejection a question as this may be added this answer of the Prophet Jeremy The Lord is more righteous then to be disputed with Jerem. 28. 6. And the Prophet Isaiah saith We are in the hands of the Lord as the Clay in the hands of the Potter Isa 47. 9. And the Apostle saith Hath not the Potter power over the Clay and of the same lump to make one vessell to honour and another to dishonour Rom. 9. 21. Again Who art thou that replyest against God ver 20. Was there unrighteousnesse in God in loving Jacob and hating Esau God forbid ver 14. For he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on whom he will have compassi●n ver 15. and whom he will he hardneth so that there is vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy as in ver 22. 23. for otherwise why should these phrases be used in Scripture CHAP. III. Treateth of hardning the heart SECT 1. Objection IF God harden the heart of a sinner how can he chuse but sinne seeing that by nature we are all the children of wrath Ans In every action the ●nd and meanes must goe together the cause doth never follow the effect but the effect the cause and in one and same action there is a double cause as 1. The instrumentall cause moving 2. God separating from the instrument yet giving power of motion to the same and so the wicked may be said to be the instruments of God yet not God the cause of their wickednesse and therefore one saith Deus agit per malos non in malis God worketh by evill men not in evill men God therefore may be said to be the cause of the action but God is no way the author of sinne not of the quality of the action Gods decree is no cause of their sinning but the voluntary inclination of the will unto evill being neither forced nor by any violence compelled and therefore no evill is either to be attributed to God or his decre● 2. Again God is no way the author of sinne seeing he neither tempteth nor perswadeth unto it Jer. 1.

perfectly good or imperfectly good such as is now in man mixed with many infirmities and imperfections which is either naturall in man as the coveting and desiring of meat and drink and other things necessary for the use of man or supernaturally wrought in man by grace as is the love and desire of vertue or it is mixed partly naturall and partly supernaturall as Matrimoniall concupisence for procreation which hath both a naturall cause or being and is likewise guided by grace unto a right end and none of these kinds of good and commendable concupisence is sinne Evill concupisence is of three sorts 1. As Idle roving and Evill concupisence of three sorts impertinent thoughts which the mind may easily reject 2. Violent cogitations which sticketh more closely and nearely as the immoderate desire of meat and drink and such things as belong to the necessity of nature as sumptuous apparrell and the like 3. There are filthy and uncleane cogitations as lasciviousnesse envie vain-glory and the like The first of these may be compared to thin Clay that sticketh or cleaveth not the second to tough Clay that sticketh fast and the third to uncleane and stinking Myre and Mud otherwise the first motion is not voluntary as a certaine preparation of the affection the second is with the will but the same not obstinate as when it commeth to ones minde to revenge himself when he is hurt but the third kinde is so outragious that it will not be ruled by reason as when a man is carried to revenge himself without measure The first of these can be no more ruled by reason then such things as hapneth to the body as when one yauneth when he seeth another yaune or suddenly winketh when one putteth their finger towards anothers eye c. SECT 4. Obj. ARe these idle wandrings being without respect to any certaine object sin and so forbidden in the Morall precept seeing the Morall precept aymeth at a certaine object as thou shalt not covet thy neighbours house c. Ans If we doe reject these thoughts at the very first moving of them and yet if so they carry some staine and guilt in them in regard children which have no such evill thoughts yet are not cleane before God being conceived and borne in sin as in Psal 51. 5. and which is also most evidently confirmed by the death of Infants as I have formerly shewed sin being the cause of death Therefore the best solution is that those cogitations which doe vanish before the minde be affected be not comprehended in the precept as actuall sins untill the will of man in some degree give consent till then sinne is only in the conception but not in the birth as the Apostle James saith When lust hath conceived it bringeth forth sin Jam. 1. 15. but as it is the first fruit of originall sinne together with that native corruption they are contrary to the precept for the Morall Law being grounded upon the Law of Nature which was perfect in man by creation before his fall and from which perfection originall sinne being a defect It may well be concluded that though they doe not come to reckoning before God if they presently vanish before the will and affection be inclined unto them yet doe they shew the corruption of our nature and although they breake not into a a flame yet they are sparkes that flye upward but if those sparks doe not break into a flame they shall never burn us nor be laid unto our judgement for if the will assent not concupiscence shall never hurt But this is through Gods meere mercy for otherwise Original sinne enough to condemne us this very originall corruption is enough to condemne us And thus I have shewed the distinction of sinnes veniall and yet not veniall in their proper nature in respect of their greatnesse and smalnesse but not to be permitted for these reasons SECT 5. Why originall corruption is not to be permitted 1 IN respect of the nature of sinne which of it selfe deserveth death Rom. 6. 23. The wages of sinne is death as also in that it is a transgression of the Law 1 John 3. 4. and every transgression of the Law is under the Curse Gal. 3. 10. 2. In respect of the infinite Maiesty of God who to offend can be no veniall sinne of it selfe considering his perfect and absolute righteousnesse which cannot abide the least blemish and imperfection Therefore in regard of the perfect righteousnesse and infinite Maiesty of God no sinne against him can be veniall as in the sudden motion and passion of anger even when it is sudden and unadvised yea though there be no further purpose or intendment of hurt is notwithstanding guilty of judgement Matth. 5. 22. So then we admit of a distinction of mortall and veniall sinnes The distinct●ō of mortall and veniall sinnes if it be understood not of the nature of sinne but of the qualities of the persons for unto them that believe all sinnes are veniall and pardonable through the mercy of God Rom. 8. 1. There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus but to the wicked and unbelievers all their sinnes are mortall Rom. 6. 23. to them the stipend and wages of sin is death Now if we trace this originall and spaune of sinne unto the birth we shall find it in action which action proceedeth from the conception of the will to enioy the thing desired as the Apostle James saith When lust hath conceived it bringeth forth sinne Jam. 1. 15. SECT 6. Five things to be considered in every sinfull act ANd in every sinfull act there are five things to be considered as Actus Peccati Culpa Macula Reatus Poena 1. The very act of sin 2. the fault 3. the blot 4. the guilt and 5. the punishment 1. The act of sin as it is an act is not alwayes evill for there Sin as it is an act is not alwayes evill is the same act in substance in sin as in doing that which is honest as in adultery there is the like externall act as in lawfull Matrimony so that onely the fault which is in respect of the circumstances which are not observed make the difference 2. The second thing to be considered is Culpa the faultinesse of the action which is committed by the not due observing of the Circumstances which are these First Quid what it is that hee Nine things to bee considered in the faultinesse of an action doth whether it be lawfull or not lawfull honest or not honest 2. quantum the quantity must be considered as one may steale much or little or raile sparingly or with a full mouth 3. quoties how often for he that committeth the same sinne often is more blameable then he that doth it seldome 4. qualiter after what manner whether willingly or unwillingly whether he be quicke or slow in doing of it 5. Cum quo with what instrument as he that smiteth with a

switch is not equall with him that striketh with a sword 6. Cum quem with whom the sinne is committed as fornication betwixt them that are married is more heynous then betwixt single persons 7. Vbi where in what place it is committed for it is more heynous to steale in a Church or Congregation of Gods people then in another place 8. quando when for it is more heynous to steale in time of Divine worship then at other times 9. Ad quid to what end for the end maketh a thing of it self lawfull or unlawfull Now to make an action lawfull or good all these things must concurre but it is enough to make it evill if it faile in any of them and this faultinesse of the action passeth with the action it selfe which is the subiect thereof and remaineth not 3. There is left behind a macula a certain stain or blot in the Soule whereby the Image of God is deformed 4. Besides this stain there is a guiltinesse of punishment 5. The punishment it selfe which is Hell Fire without true repentance SECT 7. Object VVHether doe we sinne of necessity or of a voluntary disposition for if it be of necessity it ceaseth to be sin and if it be voluntary it may be avoïded Answ Sinne is both of necessity and voluntary First it is of Sin is both of necessity and voluntary necessity in respect of Adams fall by which we became Bondslaves to sin and Satan Secondly in that we have originally a seed of that defect in us procured by him and so can will nothing but that which is evill that as the Apostle saith We are not sufficient of our selves to think any thing of our selves as of our selves 2 Cor. 3. 5. it being proper to God alone to work in us both to will and to doe of his good pleasure Object The Apostle saith he would that which was good though he could not accomplish it Rom. 7. 15. Therefore man of himselfe can will that which is good Ans The Apostle in that place speaketh not of the Naturall man but of the regenerate for he addeth I am delighted in the M●n corrupt both in soule and body Law according to the inward man but saith he I see another law in my members resisting the law of my minde Rom. 7. 22. And it will fully appeare that we are corrupt in both parts viz. in soule and body For that which is born of the flesh is flesh John 3. 6. And to be carnally minded i● death Rom. 8. 6. And therefore in vain doe we seek in man either integrity understanding or the feare of God For the will is so fast bound by the slavery of sinne that it cannot move it selfe to that which is good and much lesse apply it selfe thereunto For such a motion is onely a beginning of turning unto God which is wholly attributed to the grace of God in Scripture as in Jer. 31. 18. where Ephraim is said to desire of God to turn him that he might be turned And the Spouse in the Canticles Draw me and I will run after thee with divers other The effects of Nature and Grace places of Scripture which doth testifie the same It is therefore proper to Nature to will that which is evill and to Grace that which is good whereupon it followeth that men are drawn unto evill by necessity of will and yet they are not constrained to commit it Again on the other side it commeth to passe through the the infinite goodnesse of God that godly men cannot doe evill through any forceable compulsion for otherwise the minde of man in its owne nature is voyd of all grace for which cause it is said that he that hath begun a good worke in us will also finish it Phil. 1. 6. 2. 13. as also It is God that worketh in us both to will and to doe of his good pleasure The Lord also speaking by his Prophet saith that he will give his people a new heart and take from them their stony heart and also put his Spirit in the middest of them and make them walke in his Commandements Ezec. 35. 26. by which it appeares that all the inclinations to goodnesse proceed only from Gods Spirit moving us thereunto secretly saying This is the way follow it Grace then goeth before every good work it doth not follow after but so that will and desire doth accompany it not lead it For the will doth worke by grace the Lord preventing him that is unwilling that he may be more willing and that he may not will in vaine so that there can no will be found which is inclining to good save in the elect but the cause of election must be sought without men whereby it is proved that man of himself hath not a right will but that it floweth from the same good Man of himself hath not a right will pleasure whereby he was elected before the Creation of the world as also that the beginning of willing and doing well proceedeth from faith and faith is the gift of God it must needs then follow that it is of meere grace when we begin to will that which is good being inclined and bent naturally to evill As also by the instance of David who desired the Lord to create in him a new heart Psal 51. 12. yea we are as prone thereunto as the sparkes to fly upward SECT 8. The Pelagians two-fold question answered THe will therefore is the Patient and not the Agent and therefore to resolve the Pelagians two-fold doubt viz. whether we sin willingly being made bond-slaves to Satan and whether in evill workes we ought to attribute any thing unto God we thus answer As touching the first we answer that mens wills may be compared to an Horse that waiteth his Masters pleasure and God and the Devill may be compared to Hors●-men or Riders but if the Devill possesse it he carrieth it head-long unto death as it were an Hunter over hedge and ditch as we may instance in that example of Job upon whom it was the Lords pleasure to exercise by calamity the patience of his servant but contrariwise Satan endeavoureth to drive him into dispaire Again the Caldeans study contrary unto equity to get gaine by that which was another mans in which passage one and the same act may be ascribed unto God Satan and Man but the variety in the manner and end maketh the justice of God appeare without any fault and in the other the wickednesse of Satan and Man is discovered to their perpetuall shame and reproach Obi. If it be not in the power of a Sinner to obey exhortations should be made in vaine admonitions should be superfluous and reprehensions rediculous Ans Our Saviour saith that without him we can doe nothing Joh. 15. 5. and yet notwithstanding he doth neverthelesse reprove those that did evill without him as we may see in his reproofes which he uttered against Corazin and Bethsaida Mat. 11. 21. as

in robbing of the Aegyptians the fornication of Hosea the Prophet Hosea 1. 2. For the Will of God which is most just and the right which he hath in the lives bodies and goods of men maketh these things lawfull being done by the Commandement of God which otherwise would be unlawfull for a man may use his Oxe or his Asse at his pleasure because they are ordained for his use so likewise may the Lord doe with men take away their lives at his pleasure and that by a double right both because man by his sin hath deserved to dye 2. As he is his Creator and may use the creature at his pleasure or as may best serve to his glory And as man may use his owne goods and that which is lent unto him precario freely and frankly during the pleasure of the lender which when he will he may require againe so the earth being the Lords and the fulnesse thereof which he as it were lend●th to man so long as it pleaseth him He may justly at his pleasure transfer things from one to another and like as Matrimony maketh carnall copulation lawfull so the Lord may by his Commandement bring and supply the like bond as Matrimony is as in the instance of the Prophet afore mentioned when the Lord bid him take unto him a Wife of fornication the Commandement of God made that lawfull which otherwise was unlawfull and so in the other examples But albeit God can make that which seemes unjust to be lawfull and just yet can he not make a just and a good act to be evill and wicked as that he which worshippeth God aright doth evill or such like and the reason is because God by this meanes should be contrary to himself in commanding one so to worship him and yet counting him for so worshipping him to doe evill Again it is impossible for God to doe that which he cannot will now the Lord willeth no evill to be done therefore he cannot make that which is good to be evill because he cannot deny himself who is only good SECT 3. A difference betwixt the precepts of the first and second Table THere is also a difference to be made betwixt the precepts of the first and second Table God doth dispence with the second which he referred to the good of our neighbour when he seeth it more to make for his owne glory which is the true end and scope of the first and second Table as when God commandeth to dishonour Parents rather then to dishonour him and biddeth them kill and so in the rest But with the precepts of the first Table he dispenceth not because they are immediatly referred to his owne glory for otherwise it were to consent to dishonour himself and thus much for the answer of the first part of the Argument 2. It followeth not if God can dispence that therefore the Though God can dispence the Prelates cann●● Prelates and the Church may 1. Because the dispensation against a Law must be by as great authority as the Law was first made by But the Moral Law grounded upon the Law of Nature was founded by the Author and Creator of Nature and therefore by him only and not by any else may it be dispenced with 2. As in naturall effect● ordinarily there must goe before an extraordinary cause a naturall cause as a thing cannot be made hot unlesse fire or some other efficient cause of heat be put unto it so that the Pope himself cannot command a thing to be ho● but by such efficient cause of heat Yet the Lord without such ●ediate and ●rdinary mean●s can make a thing hot by his infinite power supplying that cause himself So likewise in Spirituall actions the Lord may supply that which maketh the thing lawfull which man cannot doe without some externall cause or circumstance doe concurre in making the act lawfull As to kill is an unlawfull act in it self neither can the Pope or any other man make it lawfull to kill unlesse there be some cause that maketh it lawfull to kill as when the party commanded to be slaine deserveth to dye But God to whom all men are debtors and who is the Lord of every mans life may command to kill without any injustice although there be no such apparant cause or circumstance which should make that act lawfull SECT 4. Obj. BVt they further object thus To restore that which is committed to a mans trust is a naturall duty yet this is dispensed with when as a man refuseth to restore to a Mad-man his sword or weapon which he gave one to keep so the Magistrat● ordinarily dispenceth with that precept Thou shalt not kill when he commandeth Malefactors to be slaine So also the Maccabees dispenced with the Sabbath when they resolved to fight with their enemies on the Sabbath day 1 Mac. ● Chap. As these precepts then were dispenced withall by men so may the rest Ans For the first instance there is in that particular case no dispensation against the Law of Nature for then by such dispensations it would be made lawfull not to restore that which is committed to trust which cannot be made lawfull by any dispensation for this were to crosse and over-throw the Law of Nature but not to restore a sword to a furious man is but a particular interpretation of that generall Law of Nature wherein the in●ent of that Law is kept for it is agreeable to the Law of Nature to render whatsoever belongeth unto another and the reason thereof is because it is just So it is lawfull by the same Law notwithstanding not to give unto a Mad-man his owne sword because it is just Also the meaning and reason of the Law is kept because the furious man would doe some hurt with his weapon and therefore to administer occasion and instrument unto his rage were unjust In the other two particulars there is no dispensation but an interpretation rather or declaration of the Law as that it is no Murther when one is justly slaine And in the other that it is no breach of the Sabbath when necessity compelleth to breake the rest thereof but thus to dispence were a dispensation to make it lawfull to kill where one cannot justly be put to death and to worke upon the Sabbath where there is no necessity 2. Thus to dispence were to make it lawfull afterward which was not before such a dispensation but it was alwayes lawfull for the Magistrate to put to death and upon like necessity to intermit and suspend the rest of the Sabbath 3. Besides these interpretations and declarations of these Lawes they are not devised by man but warranted in Scripture by the Lord himself the Maker and Author of the Law and therefore they are not to be interposed by any humane authority CHAP. XVI Tr●ateth of their opinions touching ●he Sabbath day c. SECT 1. Objection TO this particular they say That the keeping of the Lords day or the first

by the example of the Church at Antioch who made choy●e of Bar●●b●s and Paul and the other Brethren which no doubt was the most able men amongst them in that Church As also of the Church at Jerusalem in permitting Peter and James to speake first being the most grave in the Assembly as also in that Churches making choyse of Judas and Silas who was men of eminence amongst them as may appeare by the 26. vers to send in their behalfes to Antioch SECT 5. 2. THat Messengers being so sent ought to behave themselves wisely not making any tumult or disturbance in the Church to which they are sent but only to speake as occasion shall serve and that by the example of Paul and Barnabas who did not interupt Peter but waited their opportunity Obj. Then every one that hath judgement may and ought to speake Ans They may speake if they wil as the rest of the Apostles Who ought to 〈◊〉 in the ●hurc● and Elders and the rest of the Brethren might have done but we doe not read that they did speake after that Peter ●●d James had opened the case but given their judgements 〈◊〉 it being thereby satisfied did aquiesse in the judgement of James Obj. But what if Peter and James had not ended the controversie Ans Then they were to have gone on in the same order and method untill they were satisfied for if order will not doe it I am certaine that confusion cannot And it likely that the Apostle Paul gained this experience at that meeting which he exhorteth the Corinthians to observe and so consequently all Churches in all their enterprises whatsoever viz. that all things might be done with decency and order 1 Cor. 14. 40. for God being the God of order 1 Cor. 14. 33. will doubtlesly require order in his Church 1 Cor. 11. 34. and therefore we are to conforme unto it SECT 6. THe Apostle also exhorteth that if any man speake in the Church it ought to be as an Oracle of God and we know that the manner of speaking by Oracle was gravely and sententiously delivering much matter in few words therefore this ought also to be a president unto our Brethren that though they may speake yet if that they cannot expresse themselves in such a manner as aforesaid they both offend against the exhortation of the Apostle as ●lso make a noyse and disturbe the Church to small or no purpose Againe as each particular Member of the Church hath liberty to speake in the Church concerning the affaires belonging to the Members of the Church so have they likewise power to Prophesie as cleerly appeareth from that text 1 Cor. 14. 31. where the Apostle saith Ye may all prophesie one by one c. and yet we are not hereby to understand that every of the Members of a Church ought to doe so not being able to divide the word aright for in this especially he ought to speake as an Oracle of God The Apostle therefore writeth these sayings to the Churches Wherefore the Apostle exhorteth to prophesie to excite and stir up the Members of each particular Church to covit these excellent gifts and that they should strive to goe one before another by a godly emulation giving them thereby to understand that if the very meanest in quality or condition of the Members of the Church of Christ can by acting the part of a Noble Berean viz. by their study and industry in the Scriptures attaine to the measure of such a gift as to speake as he ought to speake that then he may and ought to imploy his tallent as any of the rest whatsoever doubtlesse it being the very meanes by which Barnabas Simeon called Niger Lutius of Cyrene Manaen Aquilla Prisilla c. attained the gifts which they exercised in the Church of Antioch Act. 13. 1 c. SECT 7. ANd therefore by this president also our brethren of the present It is dangerous medling ●ith edge tooles Churches ought to be very cautations how they medle with such Edge-tooles for feare of the scandal that many arise from such actions whereof there is doubtlesse great cause of complaint in that by so doing the Church doth not receive edifying as also in that it administreth cause to the enemies of God to blasphem who many times commeth on purpose to such meetings to procure themselves Mi●ch by glorying in our shame Obj. I commend you in that you are no Countenancer of disorder in your brethren for in very deed the boldnes and rudenesse of such members hath made your Churches evi● spoken of and disesteemed more then otherwayes they would have beene but yet if a member of your Church have but one tallant will you have him imploy it Ans Yea without all question but not in publike meetings How spirituall 〈◊〉 a●e to be ●●actised for there the most powerfull meanes ought to be used in regard that the unbelievers have liberty to come to the publick Ordnance of preaching as well as any member of the Church And that by our Saviours commands Mat. 28. 19 20. Marke 16 16. who as I have said come for the most part to carpe at the doctrine delivered but in private meetings they ought to imploy their particular tallants for in so doing they may in time become such exspert Proficients in Theology as to teach publickly being called thereunto SECT 8. Obj. SVppose the Magistrate should not condiscend that either the Popish Clergy should be silenced or that such should be sent forth to gather Churches as you would have imployed how would you have the worke carried on Ans I confesse if the Magistrate should be refractory the wheele would be much longer in turning over but yet notwithstanding we are encouraged by the example of the Apostles The worke ought to be carried on though the Magistrate oppose it to imploy such instruments in the worke as are fit for such a purpose viz. for gathering of Churches for albeit that Herod with the Scribes Pharisees and Saduces bent their utmost power to oppose them and their Doctrine yet did they with an undaunted courage vindicate the truth albeit to the hazard of their lives yea and rejoyced that they were thought worthy to suffer for the testimonies thereof as doth evidently appeare by that Book titled their Acts which doubtlesse was written as a president to such as shall labour in the restoring of their decayed Churches by extracting them out of the world and Antichristianisme as the Apostles did out of Judisme and Heathenisme and therefore every one that is so fitted and satisfied in the truth of this assertion ought to apply himselfe to the Apostles presidents in all things to that purpose yea albeit the Heredians Scribes Pharisees and Saduces of these times shall oppose the worke yet ought they be like valient as the Apostles were remembring alwaies that it is better to obey God then men Act. 4. 19. But I hope better things from our present