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A05172 Divine and politike observations nevvly translated out of the Dutch language, vvherein they vvere lately divulged. Upon some lines in the speech of the Arch. B. of Canterbury, pronounced in the Starre-Chamber upon 14. June, 1637. Very expedient for preventing all prejudice, which as well through ignorance, as through malice and flattery, may be incident to the judgement which men make thereby, either of his Graces power over the Church, and with the King, or of the equity, justice, and wisdome of his end in his said speech, and of the reasons used by him for attaining to his said end Theophilus, fl. 1638. 1638 (1638) STC 15309; ESTC S108356 57,625 70

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Observ. Chat escha●dè eraign● l'eau ●roide Men that had heard of the pr●hibition of Sermons upon the wednesday in time of solemne fast an● had seene many other simptomes of dislike of them and inclination 〈◊〉 place all exercise of Religion in the Ceremonies and Letany migh● very probably feare and thi●ke there was some intention to suppress● wednesday Lectures Many wise men have shewed feare of thing● which have never come to passe and many have beene mistaken i● their ju●gements of mens intentions when they measured them b● t●e successe of their actions Great mens intentions are not allwaye obvious to the understanding of men that live in a condition beneat● them nor allw●yes Priv●ledged with succes●e or with prerog 〈◊〉 chardge a crime up●n such as mistake them or understand them no● and the argument is not good VVednesday Lectures are not sup●pres●ed E●go his Grace had no intention to suppresse them Arch. B. ibid. A●d ●he Arch. B. and B●sh●ps to whome the ordering of the book● i● commited have pow●r under the Ki●g ●o put in or leave out whatsoever they thinke fi●t for the present occasion as their P●edic●ss●●● have ever done before ●hem Observ. This generall implicite power is not suf●icient for affirming truel● tha● they have the Kings command or warrant for every thing th●● put in ●r leave out no more then the generall power which t●● Chancellor Secretary and other O●ficers have from the King is suffi●cient fur alleadging the Kings command and warrant for every act they doe in their severall stations they cannot change any thing once axcepted out of their O●fices without a new speciall vvarrant Arch. B. Pag. 21. Provided that nothing be in contrary to the Doctrine or Discipline of the Church of England Observ. Quaeritur whether the Doctrine and Discipline of our Church be that which Bishops invent prescribe or purchase colour of his Majesties au●hority for commanding off Or that which by other Reformed Churches is held to bee of divine institution Arch. B. ibid. And it is not the custome of the Church nor fitt in it selfe to pray for seasonable weather when wee have it But when we wan● it Why not as well as it is the custome of the Church Obser●● and fitt in it selfe ●o pray for grace wisedome and understanding of the Lords of coun●ell that want none of these and for illuminating Bishops with true ●nowledge and understanding of the word which they have want ●ot Thirdly 't is most inconsequent to say Arch. B● pag. 22. that the Leaving that Prayer ●ut of the booke of devotions caused the Shipwrackes and the Tempest ●hich followed In the newes from Ipswitch it is not saide Observ● that the leaving out that ●●ayer caused the shipwracks and tempests but was one cause that is 〈◊〉 farre as men may judge one of the occasions thereof and to this ●●ce a man may speake without exceeding the limits of Christian re●●rence duety and humility in speaking of actions and accidents ●●ereof no other cause can be affirmed literally but the will of al●●ghty God and the saying that the leaving out of that prayer is ●●e of the causes of the shipwracks is as justifiable a way of speech 〈◊〉 the saying of a man sick of the ague that his sinnes are the causes ●●reof I humble desire your Lordships to weigh well the Consequence of ● great and dangerous Innovation Arch. B. pag. 23. The Prayer for faire weather 〈◊〉 left out of the Book for the Fast Therefore the Prelates intend to ●●ng in Popery ●here is not so much as one line in those newes excepted against ●●is Gr. Obser●● inferring either upon this or any other of the innovations ●●●tioned in it a conclusion of the Prelates intention to bring in ●●ery yet upon the whole conjunctio an appearance of such inten●● may be in reason as well affirmed as feared August Tom. 10. ●●mil 42. saith de minutis guttis implentu● flumina per minutas rimula●●●●at aqua impletur sentina mergitur nav● Small drops make floods th●ough small rifts the water loaketh in filleth the deck and sinketh 〈◊〉 ship To this I answer First As before Arch. B● ibid It was lawfull for us to alter what we thought fit And Secondly since that Collect made mention of Preaching 〈◊〉 Act of State forbad Sermons on the Fast dayes in infected pla●●● wee thought it fit in pursuance of that Order to leave out 〈◊〉 Collect. For reply may bee repeated the answer to the 3 Se●● withal● act of State forbidding Sermons is not a sufficient warrant for leav●●● out of a prayer in use to be read a collect because it mention pre●●●●ing Arch. B. pag. 24. For the branch in the other which is the first Coll●ct Though 〈◊〉 did deliver our forefathers out of Romish superstition yet God be 〈◊〉 sed for it we were never in Observ. Though it were absolutely true as it is not that none of the ●●●rers of these prayers which are usually read were ●ver in Romis● perstition as his Graces Speech here implyeth yet could not t●●● a sufficient reason for leaving out the collect here mentioned be●● in the deliverance of our forefathers out of the said superstition● 〈◊〉 did deliver us Withall by the same reason his Gr. might cause 〈◊〉 beare the thanksgiving and prayers appointed to be used for del●●●●rance from the Powderplott A reverend remembring and than●●●●●ving in our prayers to God for delivering our foref●thers out of ●●●mish Superstition is a point more materiall in Gods worship the●●ther an aeriall Crosse a Surplice or bowing at the n●me of Iesus 〈◊〉 as there is not so much reason for leaving out t●a● branch of 〈◊〉 Collect as there is for refusing a nec●ssity of the aeriall Crosse Sur●●● and ducking to an Altar or at the sound of the word Iesus by su●● esteeme the doing thereof scandalous superstitious or otherwise 〈◊〉 lawfull and seei●g there are many of the ●ormalists or good Co●●●mists who by the doctrine practise the Ceremonies approved 〈◊〉 urg●d by most Prelates are led the b●●ad way to the avowed pr●●●●sion and beleefe of Popery that clause which implyeth a prayer fo●●●●liver●nce from Romish Superstition is not unfittingly expressed as 〈◊〉 Gr alleadgeth in the said Coll●ct the words left out being these 〈◊〉 hast delivered u● from Superstition and Idolatry wherein wee were ●●●ly drowned and hast brought us into the most cleare and comfortable 〈◊〉 of thy blessed word by the which we are taught how to serve and 〈◊〉 ●hee and how to live orderly with our neighbours in trueth and verity Arch-B ibid. Because in this Age and Kingdome there is little opinion 〈◊〉 meriting by fasting Observ. Papists in this age and Kingdome have still an opinion of meri●● by fasting and the enjoyning of a fast in Lent and other se●t ti●●●sed by the Roman Church maketh the lukewarme Conformists ap●●●●ertaine the same opinion and