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A04780 A suruey of the new religion detecting manie grosse absurdities which it implieth. Set forth by Matthevv Kellison doctor and Professour of Diuinitie. Diuided into eight bookes. Kellison, Matthew. 1603 (1603) STC 14912; ESTC S107995 369,507 806

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from a good tree bicause they are contrarie to the good nature and disposition of the tree Mat. 7. so from so good a nature as God is vvho is summum bonum and goodnes it selfe vve must not looke for so euill frutes as sinnes are in vvhich is no goodnes at all and therfore to saye that hee is the autour of sinne is to make him an euill God and of a malitious nature as Cerdon and Manicheus did and so no God at all for God and good must of necessitie go together Secondly sinne is as opposite to Gods goodnes as falsehood is to his veritie but God can not lye nor authorize a lye bicause he is the first verttie ergo he cā not be the autour of sinne bicause hee is the cheefest goodnes or if such goodnes can do euill such veritie and truthe maye lye and so the scriptures loose their credit For if God can lye peraduenture in scriptures he hathe lyed and so to say that God can be the autour of sinne is to saye consequently that hee maye be the autour of lyes vv ch is to open the gap to Atheistes and misprisets of scriptures For as vvel may be moue the vvriters of Scriptures to vvrite lyes as he may moue them to sinne and vvickednes Thirdly if God be autour of sinne Psal 11● then by his vvill vvhich is the cause of all thinges he vvorketh sinne vvhich if it be so then sinne is according to gods vvill so noe sinne bicause that vvhich is according to the Princes vvill can nether displease his vvill nor impeach his commaundement and consequently is nether offence nor preuarication fourthly euerie errour is a svveruing frō the rule vvhich is prescribed and therfore the artificer banguereth vvhen hee vvorketh not according to his platforme or idea and the singer erreth vvhen he singeth not according to his Gammot and the vvriter scribleth vvhen he follovves not his example and the subiecte transgresseth vvhen hee liues not according to the Princes lavve and the morall man offendeth vvhē hee follovveth not reason vvhich is the lore rule and square of all his actions And bicause all these vvorkers are distincte frō their rule they may svverue from the same and so commit a faulte in their arte but God sayeth sainct Thomas is to him selfe a rule Th. 1. p. q. 63. ●● 1. in Cor. and follovveth noe other lavve or rule then his aeternall reason and lavve vvhich is him selfe and so can noe more sinne vvhich is to svverue from his reason thē hee can denye him selfe or goe from him selfe Lastly sinne is an auersion from God and an offence vvhich highly displeaseth him and so by consequence if god could sinne hee should as it vvere turne him selfe from him selfe and be auerted from him selfe and displeased vvith him selfe and so he should be so farre frō endevving others vvith felicitie that he should vvante it him selfe and liue in a continuall miserie as hee must needs doe vvho hath an auersion from him selfe and is displeased vvith him selfe But Caluin sayeth that althoughe God be the autour of sinne yet hee is noe sinner bicause hee vvorketh it for a good ende l. 2. s. 4. sect 2 As for example sayeth he of the same sinne vvhich the Chaldees committed in vniustly afflicting Iob God vvas the autour Sathan vvas the autour and the vvill of man vvas the authour but bicause God vvas the autour of it for 2 good end to vvit for the exercising of Iobs patience he sinned not in that actiō but did vvell and iustly in the same action in vvhich they sinned and transgressed But this vvill not serue for an ansvvere for first if god may bee the autour of sinne to exercise the patience of the iuste or to chastice the vvicked he may also be the autour of a lye for the punishment of sinners and so Scriptures must lose their credit bicause peraduenture they are lyes vvhich God hathe put in the toungue and penne of Mōyses the Prophets and the Euāgelists for a good end that is to shevv his iustice in the Ievves gētils vvhome for a iuste punishement he hathe seduced and deceiued vvith a false vvritten lavv bicause they vvould not follovve the lavv of nature vvhich he had grauen in their hartes Secōdly to make a sinner it is sufficient if he be the autour of sinne and good ende or intention vvill not excuse vvhen the meanes and electiō are naught Vvherfore if God be the autour of sinne hee sinneth vvhatsoeuer his intentiō bee and if a good intētion may excuse it may also excuse vs and so a man may steale to helpe his parētes or to offer Sacrifice and oblations of his theftes vnto God and yet god condemneth such offrings and sainct Paule sayeth plainly that euill things are not to be doone that good therby may happen Rom. ● But novv it is more then tyme to dravve necro our conclusion and therfore out of Caluins blasphemies I vvill deduce these illations The first is that such men if they had liued in Platoes tyme vvho by lavv banished those that vvould father their sinnes vppon God they should not haue beene permitted to haue liued in any citie or common vvelthe l. 2. de Repub. and if that learned Ievv Philo had been appointed their iudge l. de Agricult he vvould haue adiudged them to be stoned to death Secōdly I gather herby that these men are not led by the Spirit of God and that their doctrine can not be of God bicause it is vnlikely yea impossible that the spirit of god should dictate such doctrine vvhich is so iniurious to God and so opposite to his goodnesse rather this doctrine is like to proceed frō him vvho sayed that he vvould be a lyīg spirit in the mouthes of all false Prophets 1 Reg 22. 2. Para. 1● Thirdly I gather vvhat litle credit is to be giuen vnto them in other matters vvho banger so grossely in this opinion vvhich the light of reason argueth of falsitie and is as euidently false as is is euident that there is a God The second Chapter shevveth hovv their doctrine maketh God not only a sinner but also the only sinner IT is the opinion of Ihon Caluin and of the Caluinists also l 3. Inst c. 21. §. 4. that God is not only the authour of sinne but that his vvill and povver also dothe so domineere ouer the vvill of a sinner that he can not resiste Gods motion vvhich eggeth and vrgeth him to sinne but must of necessitie sinne Yea Sect. 〈◊〉 I saieth Caluin vvill not doubt to confesse simply vvith Austine he vvould haue sayed vvithout Austine bicause he hathe no such thing in the place l de Gen. ad lit c. 15. vvhich he alleageth that the vvill of God is a necessitie of things and that vvhat he vvilleth must of necessitie come to passe Sithence then God vvilleth all our sinnes as Caluin hathe in the former
conclusions First that nether Princes nor Iudges haue authoritie to condemne vs to any paine as is before proued bicause vvhere noe lavve byndes noe prince can iustly punishe the transgression And so humaine feare is taken avvay Secondly this doctrine abolisheth all filial feare for vvher no lavve byndes in conscience noe sinne can be committed and so vvee need not to feare theftes and murders for feare of offending God bicause vvhere noe sinne is no offence is to be feared Reuerentiall feare also they abandone bicause as is before proued in denying lavves to bynde they take avvay all authoritie euen from God and vvhere noe authoritie is no reuerence is devve As for seruile feare they condemne it in expresse termes And Luthers vvordes vvee haue harde allready let vs heare also Caluin speake l. 3. Inct. c. 24 § 6.7.8 Hee affirmethe that a sinner can not bee iuste vnlesse hee beleeue assuredly that hee is elect praedestinate and vndoubtedly to be saued vvhence follovveth that noe man must feare hell yea that noe man can feare hell and retaine his faithe For if hee bee by faithe cocke-sure of Saluation hee can not feare hell and damnation bicause hee is as assured of escaping hell as of attaining heauen and noe man can feare that euil vvhich hee is assured to escape As for example noe man feareth least the heauens falle vppon him Or if Caluin feare hell hee looseth his faithe bicause hee is not assured to escape hell and to attaine to heauen And bicause Caluin savve vvell enoughe that feare of hell is taken avvay by this his doctrine § 2. hee checketh sainct Gregorie the great saying that he teacheth pestilently vvhen hee sayeth in a certain homelie that vve knovve only our calling but are vncertain of our election Hom. 38. in Mat. euang vvherby sayeth Caluin he moueth all men to feare and trembling bicause vve knovve vvhat vve bee to day but vvhat vve shal be vve knovve not Luther also as hee holdes the same opinion of assurednes of saluation so he biddes vs to take heed least vvee feare hell or iudgemēt bicause that vvere to loose our faithe These are his vvords Vvherfore if thou be a sinner as verily vve all are in to 2. Col. ●d Gal. do not propose vnto thy selfe Christe as a ludge in a rayn-bovve for then thou vvilte be a frayed and dispaire but apprehend the definition of Christe that hee is noe exactour of the lavve but a propitiaiour So that Luther thinkes that Christe vvill exacte noe lavve at the handes of a faithfull man and therfore he needeth not to feare hell in vvhich transgressours of the lavve are punished Vvherfore as they take avvay all hope of revvard so they take avvay all feare and especially the feare of hell vvhich is the greatest bridle that is to restraine men from sinne But first I vvill aske thē vvhy scripture setteth forthe heauen and hell vvith suches names and titles if it bee a sinne to hope for the one or to feare the other Truly if it bee sinne thē hathe God in setting forthe heauen and hell so liuely layed baytes to catche vs and to allure vs to sinne And vvhy then dothe scripture in so many places commaund vs to hope and to feare And hovve are those tvvoe thinges vnlavvfull vvhich are so necessarie in all common vvelthes Vvhy maye the plovvghman trauell all the daye in hope of his vvage the husbandman sovve his seed in hope of a haruest the souldiour follovve the vvarres in hope of a spoile and yet a Christian man maye not fullfill the commaundementes in hope of a revvard in heauen For if it bee lavvfull to hope for heauen vvhy it is not lavvfull also to giue almes in hope of heauen as Dauid inclined his harte to keepe the lavve for revvard and retributiō Psal 118. They ansvver that vve must serue God purely for his loue glorie but not for revvard True that must bee the principall ende but yet thēce it follovveth not but that vvee may also serue for revvard as for a secondarie ende and motiue But say they he that serueth for revvard vvould not serue god if revvard vvere not vvhich argueth an euil mynde I ansvvere that allmen are not so affectcted And if hope of heauen bee of that force as to moue thē to keepe the lavve vvhy may it not also bee sufficient to moue them to lay aside that euill affection vvhich is also against the lavve In like manner if I may lavvfully feare deathe and other euilles of the body vvhy may I not feare hell vvhich is the greatest punishement that is bothe of soule and body and if I may fearre hell vvhy maye I not absteine from sinne or fullfill the lavve for fearre of hell They saye the reason is bicause he that fullfilleth the lavve for feare of hell vvould sinne vvith all his harte if hell vvere not bee it so yet this arguethe feare to bee good rather then euil bicause it is a cause vvhy vvee absteine at least from the out vvard acte of sinne and if the mynde bee euill disposed that proceedeth not from the fear of hell but frō an euill disposition Yea if feare of hell bee sufficient to keep vs from the acte of sinne it is sufficient also to restraine vs from the euill desire of the mynde bicause against that also hell is prepared And in this is a plaine differēce betvvixte feare of hell and temporall punishments bicause Princes by tēporall paines punishe only the outvvarde acte of vvhich only they can iudge and therfore the theefe may absteine from thefte for feare of hanging and yet haue an invvarde desire to steale but God punisheth in hell not only the outvvard acte but also the invvard affection and desire of sinne and therfore if feare of hell keep a man from thefte it vvill restraine him also from the desire And consequently feare of hell can not bee ill but rather good vvhich is no cause of ill but rather a cause vvhy vvee absteine from euill and althoughe some peraduenture yea and vvithout peraduenture vvould sinne and neglegcte the commaundemētes if hope of heauen and fear of hell vvere not yet that is noe argument that ther in they sinne if they haue noe presentil affectiō or consent to sinne For so many vvould sinne if they should liue longer or if they had this or that occasion or if God gaue them not this and that grace and yet that they vvould sinne is noe sinne if they haue noe present affection or desire to sinne Yea this is an argument that hope of heauen and feare of hell are verye laudable and good bicause they are bridles to restraine men from sinning Vvherfore to dravve neare a conclusion vvhich is that our Reformers in taking avvay hope of heauen and feare of hell open the gappe to all vice I reporte mee vnto the indifferente reader hovve the Churche is like to flourishe in vertue vvithout hope of heauen and feare of hell seing that as
mortall sinnes vvhich deserue no better revvard thē eternall damnation vvhich if it be true thence must needs follovve that there is not any vertue in our actions bicause vvhere vice is vertue can not bee and so vertue vvhich proceedeth not but ex integra causa from an intier cause is cleane taken avvay Fiftely they affirme that God is the autour of all our sinnes and seing that his vvill is his power by vvhich he causeth all thinges sinne is according to his vvill yea they affirme that he moueth vs eggeth vs to sinne vvhich is a signe that hee vvill haue vs sinne If sinne then hee according to God his vvill it can not offend him but rather please him bicause the vve are pleased vvhen thinges do fall out according to our vvill and desire and seing that vvhere noe offence is there can bee noe sinne it follovvethe that if God bee the authour of sinne then sinne is noe sinne at all Out of these opinions I gather that nether sinne nor vertue is remaining in mens actions and consequently if this doctrine bee true noe man needeth to feare sinne or to care for vertue bicause this vvord vertue is but a vvorde vvhich hath no thinge ansvvereable vnto it and this name sinne is but a bullibagge or bugbeare deuised and inuented to scarre fooles vvith all bicause according to the nevv religion there is noe more sinne in the actions of men then of brutishe beastes The eleuenthe Chapter shevveth hovv they take avvay all conscience and so also open the gappe to all vice SO carefull is our heauenly father least vve should commit any sinne that he hathe prouided not one or tvvoe but many and sundry meanes to restayne vs from it as being the only thing vvhich displeaseth him and preiudiceth vs. He hath engrauen in our hartes a lavve of nature and reason vvhich dictateth vnto vs vvhat is good and vvhat is euil and cōmaundeth vs to embrace the one and to auoide the other Rom. 2. by reason of vvhich lavv the Gentils as saint Paule sayeth could not plead ignoraunce for an excuse for their sinnes bicause they had a lavve vvritten in their hartes by vvhich they might haue squared their actions and directed their liues according vnto reason and vvith in the boundes of nature To this lavve before Christs cōming he added a vvritten lavv for our better direction in the vvaye of vertue not only naturall but also supernaturall And vvhen the fullnes of tyme that is the tyme of Christe and the nevve lavv vvas come hee gaue vs another lavve more perfecte then the olde vvhich therfore leadeth vs to greater perfection And bicause lavves are mute vv ch can not speake nor interprete them selues and if they bee not put in execution they are easily contemned he hathe appointed interpretours suche as are our Pastours and Doctours to expound this lavve vnto vs and Magistrates also to see it put in exceutiō and to punish the transgressours But least that vvee should take our libertie in sinning vvhen vve can auoide the rigour of the lavve and the eye of the Magistrate he hathe lodged in our bosoms a seuere Iudge and monitour called conscience vvhich keepeth vs in avve and makes vs feare to sinne euen then vvhen secrecie promiseth securitie ● 2. in c. 2. Ro. Vvherfore Origen calleth conscience a correctour and correcting spirit bicause it punisheth and amendeth our faults and disorders yea hee calles it also a Pedagogue and Schoolmaster bicause it instructeth vs and teacheth vs our duties and keepes vs in no lesse avve then dothe the Schoolmaster his Schollers ex Th. ● p. q. 71.4.18 S. Damascen calles conscience the eye of the soule bicause it layes all our actions open vnto the vevve of the soule ruleth our vvholle life as the eye doth the body This cōscience like a lavve telleth vs vvhat in euery particuler circumstaūce is lavvfull vvhat vnlavvfull like a vvitnesse it accuseth vs and brings in euidence against vs like a Iudge it condemneth vs as guiltie vvhē vve haue cōmitted a faulte and declareth vs innocent of the facte vvhen vve haue not doone it and like an executioner or minister of iustice it tormenteth vs and layeth vppon vs our devv paine and punishment That conscience is a lavve vve easily perceue and daily experience in our selues For vvhen naturall reason and our Synderesis telles vs that vice is to be eschevved that fornication is a vice conscience concludeth ergo thou mayst not commit it and if not vvithstāding cōsciences prohibition vve do commit the same vve do against conscience and transgresse the lavve of consciēce vvhich alvvayes in particuler doth dictate vnto vs vvhat is to bee embraced and vvhat is to be eschevved Vvhen the lasciuious man is moued vnto luste conscience like a lavve forbiddeth him and vvhen the theefe is tempted vnto thefte conscience sayeth he must not comit it bicause he must not do that to another vvhich he vvould not haue doone to him selfe And if a freind leaue a ievvell vvith his freend to vvhich none but they tvvoe are priuie conscience vvill vrge him to restitution and commaund him to restore that to vvhich the Princes lavve can not compelle him bicause it meddles nor vvith secrers And so conscience is a lavve and so rigorous a lavve that it admitteth noe excuse noe cloake nor dispensation It is a vvitnesse also vvhich accuseth vs euen of our secret sinnes and vvorkes of darkenes and proues vs guiltie before the diuine tribunal And vvhether thou be in bedde or at borde at home or abroad in company or alone it still cryeth against thee guiltie And if thou seekest by sylence to put this vvitness to silence or by stopping the eares of thy soule not to giue eare vnto him he vvill allvvayes busse in thy eares that vvhich thou vvouldst not heare and vvill so plainly conuicte thee that thou canst not deny the faulte Gen. 3. Vvhen Adam and Eue had eaten of the forbidden frute before God accused them or tooke notice of the matter their ovvn conscience accused them and so plainly convicted thē that they vvent and hidde their heads in a bushe for shame Gen. 4. Cain also their vntovvard sonne had no soener made oblatiō of his niggardly sacrifice but conscience accused him and brought in such euidence against him that he chaunged contenaunce like a guiltie person and hounge dovvn his head like a sheep-biter And he had noe soener butchered his innocēt brother Abel Gen. 4. but Abells blood cryed vengeaunce against him And thinke you that conscience held his peace noe noe this vvitnesse cryed out so shrilly against him that he cryed peccaui and acknovvledge his faulte to be so great that Gods mercie vvas not able to forgiue it Likevvise the brethern of Ioseph after that they had most traiterously sold him and vvith a bloody coat had couered all the matter and cleared them selues also before their father yet still especially vvhen any aduersitie crossed
by one that knovveth Brute beastes as soone as they are able to nibble vppon the grasse can chuse the hearbes vvhich are most conueniēt for them as though they vvere cunning herbistes and you shall seeldome or neuer see them dye of surfitting or mistaking one hearbe for another not that they knovve the vertues of Simples but bicause God hath giuen them an Instincte of Nature to take that vvhich is aggreable to nature The byrdes of the ayre Keepe a certaine and a most conuenient tyme for breeding and building and their nestes they build as artificially as if they vvere Carpenters by occupation and their youngones they feed vvith that discretion as if they vvere experte Nurces The spider vvill not yeeld to the Fisher vvho as coningly vveaueth his vvebbe placeth it as craftilie to take the flye as he doth his netteto take the heedles fishes The Bee vvhen the vvinde riseth taketh claye in his mouth leaste the vvind haue to great force ouer his litle body I vvill say nothing of the so vvell ordered common vvelthes of Bees and Antes nor of the staunge operations of other liuing creatures bicause of them I ame to treat in diuers places of my booke Plantes and trees seeldome or neuer deceiue the husband man but after the dead of vvinter all vvhich tyme they also seemed dead they send forthe first theyr leaues and aftervvardes their bloomes as messengers to fortell the fruites vvhich for his labour in pruning them they meane to bestovve vppon him And neuer shall you see them budd in the middest of vvinter but in the spring only vvhen the ayre is so vvarme that their yonug ones can take no harme not that they knovve the moste conuenient tyme but bicause God vvho Knovves it hath engrauen such an inclination in them But more bountifully hath the Allmightie dealte vvith man then vvith any other corporall creatures bicause he is more noble then them all and is an abridgement of all for to him he hath giuen vnderstanding to knovve his God his Good his Ende and Felicitie and a vvill also to desire and pursue the same And least his vnderstanding should banger in approuing falshood for truth and veritie he hath engrauen in it a naturall propēsiō to veritie and least his vvill should embrace euil and badde for good she also hath the like inclination to good In so much that as the eye seeth nothing but light or colours and the eare heareth nothing but sounde so the vnderstanding aymeth only at truthe and the vvill desireth nothing else but good and as the eye can not perceue sound nor the eare colours so the vnderstanding can not giue his assent to a knovven vntruthe and the vvill can not affecte euil as euil Hence it is that vve can not vvith harte thinke that the crovve is vvhite or the svvanne blacke bicause this is a knovven vntruth and vvhere nether the truth nor falsehood is apparaunt there vve doubt and suspend our Iudgement vvhich is the cause vvhy vve nether iudge the sandes of the Sea nor the starres of the skye to bee euē or odde in number bicause vvee haue no more reason to thinke the one then the other The vvill in like manner can not affect a knovvn euil as euil bicause her obiecte is Good lib. de diuinis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. ● and therfore Dionisius Areopagita sayed that no man intendeth euil as euil but euen then vvhen he embraceth vice vvhich is the greatest euil he aymeth at some apparaunt good of pleasure or profit vvhich he imagineth in that euill Vvherfore all knovven Goodes such as knovvledge vertue Faelicitie are euery man desireth and loueth euen in his enemie vvhom he hateth though he like not of the difficulties vvhich are to bee deuoured before he attaine vnto them Vvho novve vvould thinke that man ether should or could approue errours and heresies for true doctrine and falle in loue vvith vice in vvhich is no true goodnes to be liked But nothing is so good vvhich may not bee abused God hath giuen man freevvill not to sinne but to merit vv ch if hee had not his vvel-doing vvould deserue no God a mercie and his euil deeds should be vvorthy no blame bicause they vvho of necessitie do othervvise then beseemes them are rather to be pitied then blamed And yet from hence proceedeth all iniquitie from vvhēce vertue merit and laudable actions should haue had their source and beginning He hathe grafted in our nature passions of loue feare anger and such like that by loue vvee might imbrace Good by feare auoid euil and by anger chastice vice and euil and yet vvhilest vve giue passions the head and bridle passions rule reason is ouerruled man is ouerthrovvn and ruined by that by vvhich he should haue stoode He hath imprinted in vs a naturall loue and liking of Beatitude in so much that no man is so barbarous vvhoe if you aske him vvhether he vvill be happy or noe can or vvill say noe vvith harte and mynde Vvherfore sainct Austine sayeth l. ●● Trin. c. ●● that the Iester vvho promised that he vvould tell euerie one the thing vvhich his harte desired had hit the nayle on the head if he had sayed omnes beati esse vultis miseri esse non vultis you vvill all be happie miserable you vvill not bee and yet vvhilest by this naturall propension vvee seeke for faelicitie in honours ritches pleasures vvhere it is not and not in God vvhere it is that is made our bane vvhich should haue beene our good And so God hath bountifully bestovved on vs vnderstanding vvholly bent to truthe and only to truth and yet by abuse that is made the fountaine of all errours vvhich should haue been the of-spring of verities For vvhilest like Aesops dogge vve snatch at the shadovve insteed of the flesh that is seek after truth in those thinges in vvhich is no truth at all but only a shovve and shadovve vve make our naturall propension vvhich vve haue to truthe a cause of our errour vvhich should haue been our best direction and vvith as great a vehemencie vve embrace our errours as vvee are propense prone to truthe euen as that dogge the more greedily leaped at the shadovv the more desirous he vvas of the flesh And hence proceed Idolatries superstitions sectes and heresies to vvhich vve vvould neuer giue so obstinate an assent did vve not imagin some truthe to bee vvhere only is deceite and errour He hath giuen vs also a vvill vvholly bente to Good and altogether auerted from euil and yet vvhilest vvith those foolish byrdes vvee pecke at Appelles painted grapes that is seeke after good in pleasures ritches and honours vvhere is but a painted hevve of good vve embrace vice our greatest euil insteed of our greatest good and so much the more greedily by hovv much vve are more inclined to Good And hence proceed fornicatiōs aduouteries theftes and murders vvhich vve vvould neuer desire so vehemently
that his fayth might not fayle and bicause he hathe suprem authoritie vvhich all Catholike Bishops haue euer acknovvledged he hathe called many Councells and determined many controuersies and vvhilest the Church euer standeth to his Iudgement vvhich neuer yet vvas contrary to it is selfe she enuoyethe great peace and vnitie in faythe and religion vvher as the ghospellers bicause they haue noe visible head could neuer call Councells neuer aggree vppon any one point of religion vvhich vvas before in controuersie and neuer shall hereafter bicause matters of religiō are hard and therfore vvher ther-are many heads there are many opinions vvhere are many opiniōs there are many cōtradictions so no peace nor vnitie bicause noe one supreme visible iudge to determine And as for vvant of a visible Iudge they can not appease dissensiōs after they are arisen so can they not preuēt them For if ther be noe visible Iudge euerie Cock-brain may preach his ovvne fancies for true fayth and religion and no man shall controlle him nor condemne his doctrine nor forbid his preaching bicause if ther bee no visible Iudge no man hath the authoritie so the gapp is open to all false prophetes vvho may enter into the nevve Church thicke and three fold bicause noe man therin is of authoritie to forbid them vvhence it follovveth that if vve accept of the nevv religiō and incorporate our selues to the nevv Church vve expose our selues to all false prophetes vvho may preach vvhat they please bicause no man hath authoritie to controlle them THE SECOND BOOK CONTEYNETH A SVRuey of the Markes of heretikes vvhich are proued to aggree so fitly vnto the professours of the nevv religion that if euer ther vvere any heretikes they are heretikes The first chapter handleth the first marke of an heretike vvhich is his breach vvhich he maketh out of that Church vvhich is commonly counted the true Christian Church THEY say commonly that although the deuill disguise him self neuer so much yet by one marke or other he bevvrayeth him selfe For although sometymes hee inueste him selfe in the habit of a younge gallaunte or of a mortifyed religiouse man yea although in out vvard shovve he transforme him selfe into an angell of light yet so it happeneth and I think bicause God vvill haue it so that by one marke or other he is discouered For ether his staring eyes or stinking sauour or horned head or forked feet or base voice discryeth this gallaunt creature to be not as he seemeth but as he is indeed a fovvle and deformed mēber of the deuill vvho though he shrovvd him selfe vnder the goodly name of a christian and vvrapp lapp him selfe from top to toe in the innocent habit of a pastour Vincent Lytin ● contra proph heres nouit c 36. vvhich is scripture and the vvord of God yet by one marke or other yea not by one only but by many he descrieth him selfe to be as he is an heretike And the reason is bicause the counterfet neuer attayneth vnto the perfection of the currant and arte though she may imitate nature yet shall she allvvayes be vvanting in one thing or other The counterfet gold of the Alchimistes hath a great resemblaunce vvith the true gold but ether the sound or vvayte or operation vvill proue the old prouerbe to be true that all is not gold that glisters Appelles paīted grapes on a boyes head so liuelie that the byrds pecked at them but yet arte came short of nature for if the boye had been painted as vvell as nature frameth her vvorkes the byrds vvould not haue been so imboldned yea the grapes vvanted some thing for at least by pecking the byrds perceiued that all is not grapes that seemeth so Lysippus could in marble stone make so goodly a portrait of a man that he vvould shevv euery bone vaine and vvrincle vvith all proportion but the vvant of life and motion vvell declared vvhere in arte vvas enforced to yeeld to nature Vvherfore let the heretike counterfett neuer so coningly let him vse all the arte possible to shevv him selfe a sincere and true Christian yet the counterfet must come shorte of the currant and arte must yeeld to nature and hee in one point or other vvill bevvray him self to bee no true christian vvhich he professeth him selfe to bee but a faythless heretike vvhich he vvould not seem to bee And the first mark by vvhich he is bevvrayed is his breach vvhich he maketh out of the Church and Christian societie For as the vvandring sheep vvas once of the fold and the rebell vvas once a subiect and the bovve cut of once liued and florished in the tree so heretikes especially Arch-heretikes vvere at least for the most part once sheep of Christes fold subiectes of his kingdome and members of his body the Church Vvherfore sainct Ihon giues vs this mark to knovv an heretike by Ex nobis prodierunt l. Io. 8. sed non erant ex nobis They vvent out from vs but they vvere not of vs. That is they liued amongest vs for else they could not haue gone out yet so that they vvere not vvorthy our company and therfor as rotten bovves are soone broken of so they vver soone shaken of and took occasion to go from vs vvho before for their euill life in desert vvere none of vs. Or else to follovv another exposition Aug tract 3. in cp 10. they vvere emongest vs in out vvard shevve bicause they frequented sacraments vvith vs but they vvere heretikes in mynde and so none of vs and therfore they vvēt out from vs. They vvere in the Church but as euill humours in mans body and therfor vvere to be expelled bicause they vvere hurtfull to the body and no part of the substaunce For commonly heretikes liue some tyme secret befor they open and disguise them selues and so before they vvēt out from vs openly they vvere none of vs secretly Or else according to another interpretation they vvere once amongest vs and like true Christianes liued vvith vs Aug tract ● 〈◊〉 10. but euen then vvhen they vvere by present fayth and iustice mēbers of our Church God forsavv by his diuine foresigt that they vvould not continevv amongest vs and therfor they vvent out from vs bicause euen then vvhen they vvere amongest vs they vvere none of vs finally to perseuer vvith vs not that God his presciēce vvas the cause but bicause he forsavv vvhich vvas to be that is that they vvhich vvere as yet of our societie vvere of their ovvn free vvill to leaue vs and so in God his foresight vvere finally none of our company So that one euident marke of an heretike is that he makes a breache out of the body of the Churche of vvhich hee ether vvas or seemed to bee a member The same marke sainct Paule giueth vs also to knovve an heretike vvhen he sayeth that Some shall depart from the fayeth 1. Tim. 〈◊〉 Heb. 10. and that some are accoustumed to
of sinne and the bondage of the deuill Ser. 197. Domin l. post Trinitatem For as saint Austine sayeth Christ novv hath tyed the deuill in a chaine so that he can no farther tempte vs then vve can resist barke he may tempte he may sollicite vs he may but byte he can none but those vvhich vvill vvillfully cast them selues vvith in his reach Vvho novv is so vngratefull as not to acknovvledge this benefit Vvho vvill arrogate vnto him selfe the name of a Christian vvho vvill not also acknovvledge Christ for his redeemer Dare novve the reformers deny Christe the title of a redeemer they dare not Yet by their doctrine they make him a most absurd redeemer and so more dishonoure him then if they had denyed him this title alltogether For they saye that there is noe iustice but Christes iustice noe good vvorkes but his vvorkes noe merit but his merit noe satisfaction but his consequently that Christes passion vvas our iustice our merite our satisfaction Out of vv ch doctrine they inferre first that nether there is any inherēt iustice or sanctitie in mā nether is there any necessarie bicause Christes iustice is ours by imputation l. 〈◊〉 Inst c. 11. §. 2. Luth. in 2. Gal fol. 29● and that is sufficient So sayeth Caluin and to him subscribeth Luther as shall appeare by their vvordes vvhich shal be related and refuted in this selfe same booke as also in diuers chapters of the seuenth booke Secondly they gather out of the same doctrine that good vvorkes are not necessary bicause Christes vvorkes are ours and they are sufficient vvhich doctrine I shall laye open in the same booke and first chapter Thirdly hence they inferre also that noe lavves ether humaine or diuine can bynd vs in conscience bicause Christes passion vvas the ransome vvhich freed vs from all lavves Fourthly that vvee are bound to noe satisfaction bicause Christes satisfaction vvas sufficient Fiftly that noe sinnes nor euill vvorkes can hurte vs bicause Christes iustice being ours noe sinne can make vs sinners vvhich doctrine shal be set dovvne in the same booke Sixtly that noe hell nor iudgemēt remayneth for vs bicause Christes iustice being ours sinnes can nether bee imputed to vs in this life nor punished in the next And in these pointes they saye that Christian libertie consisteth So that Christe according to these doctours opinions hath redeemed vs from the slauery of sinne bicause his iustice being ours noe sinne can hurte vs hee hathe deliuered vs from the yoke of the lavve bicause noe lavve can bynd vs hee hathe deliuered vs from hell and the deuill bicause hovvsoeuer vve liue if vvee beleeue that Christes iustice is ours and our satisfaction and payment the deuil hathe noe povver to punish vs in his Hellish prison bicause Christe hathe suffred the payne devve to our sinnes before hand Vvherin the discreet reader may easily perceue vvhat an absurd Redeemer they make Christe to bee For if Christe hathe redeemed vs from the slauery of sinne bicause noe sinne can hurte vs then dothe hee open vs the gappe to all manner of sinnes and outrages For vvhoe vvill care for sinne that is persuaded that Christes passion is so imputed to him that noe sinne can hurte him If Christe hath redeemed vs from the yoke of the lavve bicause noe lavve novve can bynde vs in conscience then dothe he giue vs the occasion to transgresse freely and contemne bodely all māner of lavves and ordinācies If Christe hathe deliuered vs from hell bicause hee hathe payed the punishemēt de●e to sinne and requireth noe other satisfactiō at our handes then doth hee in a manner egge vs forvvard to all vice from vvhich noe man vvill absteyne if fear of hell do not bridle his vnruly appetites and keepe him in avve And so Christes passion vvhich vvas a sacrifice to abolishe sinne is a cause of all sinne and Christe vvhoe came to redeeme the vvorld from sinne filleth the vvorld vvith sinne and so is an absurd redeemer so to redeeme vs from sinne that hee inuiteth vs and eggeth vs forvvardes vnto sinne So they make Christ not vnlike to that father vvhoe seing the excessiue expences of his prodigall sonne dothe not commaunde him to vse more thriftines but payes before hand to all disers cookes Inkeepers and merchauntes all that possibly hee can loose at dise or lauish out in apparell or consume in banquetting vvherin hee doth nothing else but inuite his sonne to all vnthriftines vvhoe needes neuer to care hovve hee spendeth vvhen all his debtes are payed before hand For so the ghospellers saye that Christ perceiuing that vve could not keepe the lavve freed vs frō all lavves and seing that vve could not auoyd sinne imputed his ovvne iustice so vnto vs that noe sinne can hurte vs and knovving that vvee vvere not able to satisfie for sinne hee abode the pain him selfe and vvould haue none required at our hands And in so doing vvhat else hathe hee doone but opened the vvide gate to all licentious libertie vice iniquitie Hovve farre more reasonable is the opinion of the Catholike Churche vvhich affirmeth that Christes passion vvas not our formall iustification nor satisfaction but only the meritorious cause of our redemption and saluation vvhich deserued for vs at Gods handes grace by vv ch together vvith our cooperation vve may be saued and redeemed For as vve fell by our ovvne vvilles into captiuitie so Christ thought it good that by our ovvne vvilles together vvith his grace for vvithout grace vvee may fall but vve can not rise again vve should rise vp again and vvinde our selues out of the seruitude of sinne and the tyranie of the deuill So that Christ hath redemed vs from the seruitude of the lavve not that the lavve by ndeth vs not but bicause Christ hathe taken avvay the heavinesse of the lavve and by his grace vvhich he giueth vs hathe giuen vs force easilie to fulfill it vvhich othervvise vvould haue tyrānised ouer vs in cōmaunding more thē vve should haue beene able to haue performed Christ also hathe redeemed vs from captiuitie bondage of sinne not bicause noe sinne can be imputed vnto vs but bicause his passion hathe deserued grace for vs by vvhich vvee maye dispose our selues to iustification vvhich is a resurrectiō from sinne to nevvnesse of life and by vvhich vvee may auoid sinne vvhensoeuer vve are moued there vnto Christ also hathe freed vs from the tyrannie of the deuill and captiuitie of Hell bicause he hathe procured vs grace by vvhich vvhen the deuill by him selfe or the vvorld or the fleshe prouoketh vs vve may resist maugre all the force of hell Christ also hathe satisfyed for our sinnes not bicause his passion vvithout any cooperation on our part doth suffice for so as is proued the gate vvere opened vnto all iniquitie but bicause his passion had obteyned grace for vs vvith out vvhich vve could not satisfie for the least veniall sinne and by vvhich if vve cooperate vvith it in
mercie of the second 〈◊〉 ● iustice In the first he vvas as meek as a lambe in the second as terrible as a Lion The first vvas to saue sinners the second to condemne them In the first he exhorted vs to good dehorted vs from euill in the second he vvill revvard the good 〈◊〉 ● and punishe the euill of the first aduent prophecied the Prophet Zacharie vvhen he sayed Behold thy King shall come vnto thee iuste and a Sauiour Poore and mounted on an asse Of the second speaketh Daniel vvhen he sayeth he savv c. 7. that is forsavv one coming in clovvds liKe the sonne of man to vvhom the ancient of dayes gaue honour povver and a Kingdome Of the first speaketh Christ him self vvhen he sayeth God did not send his sonne to iudge the vvorld but that the vvorld might be saued by him Io. 3. Of the second speaketh the Prophet and Euangelist sainct Ihon vvhen he bidds vs behold Christ comming in clovvdes Apoc c. ● and telleth vs that euery eye shall see him euen they vvho pricked him and that all the tribes of the earth shall bevvayle them selues vppon him Luc 21. And of this aduent speaketh Christ him selfe vvho describeth his ovvn comming to Iudgement in a terrible forme and sayeth that then they shall see the sonne of manne comming in a clovvd vvith great povver ad maiestie For vvant of vvitte to distinguish these tvvoe aduentes and to apply them to the same person at diuers tymes some imagined that tvvoe diuerse persons vvere to come the one called the sonne of Ioseph vvho they say shal be slayne in the battayle of Gog and magog the other called the sonne of Dauid vvho shall reuiue again as they saye the sonne of Ioseph and shall redeeme Israel Ex Pet. Gal. l. 4. c. 1. de arcanu fid Cathol restore the Israelits vnto their Kingdome againe Others hauing their eyes dasled vvith the splēdour of the second aduent can not see the first vv ch is base and humble and therfore saye vv ch is the common voice of the Ievves that the Messias shall come like a temporall King in glorie and maiestie and by force of armes shall restore the Ievves to their former glorie and bicause they haue not as yet seene such a Messias they say that he is not yet come but still is to be expected But by the scripturs alleaged it is manifest that one and the selfe same Christ Iesus shall come first to saue the vvorld and after to iudge the same Vvherfore sainct Peter sayeth that Christ commaunded him and his fellovv Apostles to Preach to the People and to bear vvitness that he it is to vvit vvho before came to redeem vs vvho is constituted by God the Iudge of the liuing and the dead Act. 10. Io. 5. And Christ him self sayeth that God the father Iudgeth none that is in a vísible māner but hath giuen all Iudgement to his Sōne And least that any should imagin that Christ only as God is iudge but not as manne he addeth that God the father hathe giuen him povver to Iudge vs bicause he is the sonne of man And sainct Paule sayeth that God hath appointed a day in vvhich he vvill Iudge the vvorld by a man vvhom he hathe raysed from death to life Act. 1● So that the same Christe Iesus vvho came first in humble manner to call vs by his grace and to receue vs to his mercie shall come againe in glorie to giue vs our finall sentence And God the father and God the holy ghost shall Iudge vs as vvell as God the sonne yet he only as man and as an vnder Iudge shall iudge vs in a visible manner and in this sense God the father shall not iudge This Iudge shall giue sentence vppon all men 2. Cor. ● bicause as sainct Paule sayeth vve must all appear before the tribunall and Iudgement-seate of Christ This Iudge in this Iudgement shall exercise the three principall actes of a Iudge to vvit discussion remuneration and condemnation He shall discusse and examin the cause of euery one and euery circumstaunce of the same and therfore by the Prophet Ioel he sayeth that he vvill dispute vvith vs. Ioel. ● A sore disputation vvhere the Creatour disputeth the creature ansvvereth vvher God that is offended vvilbe the iudge vvitnes vvher the iudge is of such insight that he seeth farther into the guilties cause then he him selfe is so vvatchfull that noe excusing cloking or hiding can deceiue him so iuste that noe bribes can corrupt him so seuere that noe teares at that day can moue him so resolute in his sentence that noe repreeue nor appellatiō cā be admitted This discussion and examination shal be doone in a trise bicause it is nothing but a reuelation and manifestation vnto our consciences vvhat euery one hathe doone vvhich shall bee so euident that our consciences shall accuse and crye guiltie before the iudge condemne vs. This examination and discussion the Iudge shall vse only vvith Christianes bicause their cause of their condemnation they being Christians is not so manifest but not vvith infidels bicause in that they vvant fayth the cause of their condemnation is euidēt and so no discussion shal be necessary vvherfore sainct Austine sayeth Ad iudicium non veniunt Serm. 38. de Sanct. Io. ● nee pagani nec heretici nec ludei quia de illis scriptum est quinon credit iam iudicatus est To Iudgement doe come nether paganes nor heretiks nor levves bicause of them it is vvritten he that beleeues not is all ready iudged that is in respect of discussiō of his cause he is all ready iudged needeth not in the generall iudgement any other discussion for the cause of his exclusion from glorie bicause his infidelitie is a cause most euident yet as some diuines affirme for their other sinnes and for the diuersitie of their paynes their cause also shal be discussed not that god Knovveth it not vvithout discussion but bicause he vvill make it Knovven vnto the vvorld The second office of a iudge vvhich christe shall exercise is called the sentence of remuneration vvhich after the discussion of their causes and approbation of their merites Mat. 25. hee shall pronounce for the electe in those most confortable vvords Venite benedicti patris mei percipite regnum c. come you blessed of my father take possession of the Kingdome vvhich vvas prepared for you from the beginning of the vvorld The third office and action of a iudge vvhich Christ shall exercise is the sentence of condemnation vvhich after examination of their crimes God shall pronounce against vvicked Christians and faythless infidels also bicause he that beleeueth not shal be condemned Mar. 16. And this sentence shal be pronounced by the mouth of Christ and vvith an audible voice in those terrible vvords also vvhich the Euangelist hath set dovvne Ite maledicti in
ignem aeternum c. Mat. 25. Goe you accursed into euer lasting fire vvhich is praepared for the deuill and his angells This is the honourable title and office of Christ vvhich the ghospellers allso confesse in vvords and professe in their Creed but in their doctrine they deny as I shall euidently demonstrate by their opinions and vvords vvhich take from Christ the three offices of a iudge allready alleaged And first of all to beginne vvith the last acte and office vvhich a Iudge exerciseth ● 2. Inst c. 16. §. 18. to vvit condemnation Caluin sayeth plainly that Christ is our Redeemer and is not to mounte vp into his tribunal seate for the condemnation of a faithfull man Adde to this that place of scripture vvhosoeuer beleeues not is allready iudged Io. 3. And thou shallt see that Caluī leaues none for Christ to condemne at the latter day And truly herin Caluin speaketh very conformably to his ovvne doctrine See the four●he booke and fifte chap. for he is of opiniō that Christ hathe so redeemed vs that no lavve can bynde vs no sinne can be imputed vnto vs vv ch if it bee soe the title of a redeemer a Iudge are repugnaunt so if Christ bee our redeemer after this māner he can not be our Iudge For if our redemption importeth a release from all lavves and such a freedom from sinne that noe sinne can bee imputed vnto vs then certes Christe can not for any sinne condemne vs at the latter day Secondly they deny all merit and affirme that all our actions are of them selues mortall sinnes seem they neuer so good Li● 2. Inst c. 2. §. 9 ● 3. Inst c. ● §. 7. Luth. ●de captiu Bab●e de bap in 〈◊〉 ● ad Gal vvhich is the opinion bothe of Luther and Caluin and is commonly receiued of all their schollers by vvhich doctrine they take avvay the sentence of remuneration For if our actiōs deserue nothing at God his hands then althoughe hee may frankely bestovv vppon his elect vvhat glorie it pleaseth him yet can he not be sayed to remunerate revvard their vvorks for vvher is noe desert there is noe revvard and so thoughe Christ may like a liberall King bestovv glorie on them yet he can not like a Iudge by sentence of remuneration revvard them and so Christ looseth another parte of his office They affirme also that all our sinnes are aequall and they scoffe at that distinction of mortall and venial sinnes Luth. Calv. sup Mel. in locu tit de diserim pe● mor ve● and in this also Caluin speaketh according to his grounds for he sayeth that all our actions are vitiouse bicause they proceed from a vitiouse nature corrupted by originall sinne vvhence it follovveth that all our actions are alike defiled bicause they proceed from the same fountaine of corruptiō Vvhich doctrine if it goe for true then dothe Christ loose the third parte of his office vvhich is is discussion of sinnes and causes For vvhere there is noe distinction betvvixte the crimes and offences there can be noe difference in punishement and vvhere noe difference is in punishmēt the Iudge must pronounce the same sentence and giue the same iudgement vvithout all discussion ether of the offences or the punishmentes See the seuēth booke and sixt● chap. They auouch also that vve haue noe libertie nor free vvill in our actions vvhence it follovveth as I shall demonstrate in the seuenth booke follovving that in our actions is nether vertue nor vice nether merite nor demerit and soe Christ in his iudgement can exercise none of all the three offices vvhich are before mentioned For vvhere is no vertue nor merit there can be no sentence of remuneration and revvard as is all ready proued vvhere is noe vice there can be noe sentence of cōdemnation and vvhere is noe vertue nor vice at all there can bee noe difference of vvorkes ether in vertue or vice merit or demerit and vvhere it is noe difference of causes there can bee noe discussion as is also all ready proued And so Christ is noe Iudge at all Epist 46. For as sainct Austine sayeth If free vvill be not hovv can God iudge the vvorld And if vvee haue not free vvill vvhy are not brute beastes called to iudgement as vvell as vve seing that nothing cā excuse their cruelties but vvant of free vvill See the fifthe booke first chap. Lastly they are not afrayed to auerre that God and consequenly Christe is the authour of all our sinnes that Iudas his treachery and Dauids adulterie vvere as much God his vvorke as sainct Paules conuersion yea Caluin sayeth that God vrgeth vs eggeth vs and enforceth vs to sinne vvhich doctrine if it go for currante Christe can not iustly condemne any bicause as Fulgentius sayeth l. ad Mon●mum Deus non est autor eius cuius est vltor God is not the autour of that of vvhich he is the reuenger and punisher and consequently can not iustely punishe sinners if he be authour of their sinnes For vvith good reason might the cōdemned parsons make exception against his sentence and stande to it that by noe reason nor iustice God can condemne them for that in vvhich hee had as much parte as they to vvhich he vrged them yea inforced them And so thou seest gentle reader hovv these great bosters vvho bragge that they giue all vnto Christ despoile him and robbe him of his honourable title of of Iudge of the quicke and the deade vvhich they profess in their creed but deny in their doctrine The eight Chapter declareth hovv to noe small iniurie of Christe they make euery Christian and faithfull man as good and as holy as he him self is LVther Caluin and all the packe of their adhaerents as in the seuenth booke shal be related and in parte in the second and third Chapter of this third booke is all ready declared are of opinion that vvee are iustified and sanctified by the selfe-same iustice vvhere vvith Christ him selfe is iuste vvhich is inherent in him and imputed to vs and apprehended by vs vvith the reaching hand of faith and so made our ovvne They are afrayed forsooth to graunt inhaerent iustice least they should giue vs occasion to glorie in our ovvne sanctitie and so to fall into Pelagianisme vvhich affirmeth that Christes grace is not necessary But vvhilest they feare vvhere they needed not they feare not vvhere they should but ronne boldly and desperately into an absurd blasphemie Ex Aug har ●● ep 9● 20● 〈◊〉 l de nat grat c. 10. 11. For Pelagius is not condemned for auouching inherent grace but for denying that Christes grace vvas necessarie ether to the obseruing of the lavve or to the meriting of eternall glorie or to the ouercoming of tentations or auoiding of sinne and for affirming that man by his ovvne free vvill vvithout grace might do all these thinges Vvherfore to graunt
intended conclusion vvhich I maye doe vvith as muche breuitie as facilitie For if God bee the autour of all sinne then if vvee maye gather vvhat the tree is by the frute hee is of a malitious nature as is before proued and if hee commaund vs impossibilities and punishe vs vvith Hell fyer for not fullfilling them then is hee vnreasonable cruel and barbarous And if vvee once make this conceit of God as vvee must needes if vvee beleeue the aduersaries opiniō then must our hartes of necessitie bee cold in religion and vvorship of God For vvho can bee induced to vvorship loue and honour such a God in vvhome is nothing vvhich is amiable nothing vvorthy honour vvel may vvee feare him for his crueltie but loue him and honour him from the harte vve can not And so religion fallethe The third Chapter shevveth that in contempte of the Churches authoritie they bring all religion in contempte IT is a maxime and almost an article of faithe receued amōgest the reformers that the true Churche vvhich once vvas hathe erred grosselye in no lesser matters then faithe iustification merit freevvil vvorkes satisfaction purgatorie prayer to Sainctes vvorship of images nūber and vertue of Sacramentes Sacrifice such like Yea they confess that the Romain Church vvas once the true Church but thy adde vvith all that aftervvardes it erred grossely and fell sovvlye novv of the Church of Christ is become the Synagogue of the deuil This is the cause vvhy vvhen vvee vrge the authoritie of the ancient and present Churche for the proofe of the reall presence free vvill prayer to saintes sacrifice of the Masse they ansvvere vs that the Church vvas but a congregation of men vvhich hathe erred in these and other matters And therfore Luther careth not for a thousand Churches and Caluin Beza and others despise all the Councelles and ancient fathers as appearethe by their vvordes vvhich are related in the first booke and the third and fourth chapter So that vppon the bare authoritie of the Churche they vvill not hange their faithe as they saye least they hange their soules bicause the Churche as it maye bee deceued so it maye deceue I demaund of thē therfore vvhat assuraunce they haue of scripture and by vvhat meanes they come to the knovvledge of it A Catholique vvould say that he beleeuethe these bookes to bee the vvorde of god bicause the Catholike Church vvhich is it the piller of truthe vvhich by the sonne of God vvas promised a spirit vvhich should teach her all veritie 10.14.15 l. on t epist fund c. ● hath cuer so beleened and defined Vvherfore saint Austine sayeth that hee vvould not beleeue the ghospel vnlesse the Churches authoritie m●ued him not that the Church maketh scriptures or giueth them their truthe and veritie for that they haue of God vvho vvas the indighter of them but bicause vvee can not knovv vvhich is Scripture vvhich is not but by the voice of the Church to vvhich only in this matter the ancient fathers vvere vvont to harken as Ireneus l. 2 c 2 3. 4. l pr●esc de expos Symb. l. 2 c 1. 46. l. 4. c 11. Tertulian sainct Hierom Leo the first and d●uers others of vvhom Nicephorus maketh mention Vvherfore the first Toletane Councel in the one and tvventith canō accurseth thē vvho accept of any other Scriptures thē those vvhich the Catholique Churche receiueth Hee vvould alleage for an argumēt that Christemade Peter his successour the Pope supreme pastour of the Church and commaunded him to feed his sheep lo. 2. and seing that a principal office of the shepheard is to shevv them suche pasturs as are most holsom for them it perteineth to the ●uprem Pastoure of the Churche to tell vs infallibly vvhich are the true scriptures for vvhen hee declareth vv ch are the true Scripturs he shevves vs our pasture the place vvher vvee are to graze and vvhen hee expoundethe them hee feedethe vs. And seing that the Pope of Rome is this Pastour as is proued in the last chapter of the first booke it follovveth that vvee must receue that for scripture vvhich hee allovveth of as scripture He vvould alleage also the antiquitie of scriptures for a profe of their sinceritie l. 2. cont Ap. 〈…〉 prabar Euangel in Apolog c 19. 20. 24. bicause Moyses vvhoe vvas the vvriter of a great part of the old testament as Iosephus Tertulian and Eusebius affirme by many handred yeares vvas more anciēt then all the vvrit●rs of the Romains and Grecians also vv ch therfore deserue great credit reuerence 1 Tuse bicause as Cicero sayeth in his Tusculane questions to Antiquitie noe lesse is devve Hee vvould confirme this argument by another of no lesse efficacie to vvit that these bookes haue beene conserued so many thousand yeares not vvithstāding so many captiuities of the Ievves and persecutions of the Christians vvhich argueth that God vvho vvas the Authour of them had a speciall care of them and a vigilant eye vnto them as vnto his ovvn vvord and vvriting Hee might alleage also the cōformitie of those booke vvhich vvere indighted of diuers at diuers tymes and yet haue in them no contrarieties and vvere translated out of Hebrevv into Latin by 70 Interpretours ●nstin orat paroen ad gē●●● diuersely disposed vvho yet not vvithstanding soe aggreed as if all their trāslations had been copied out of one For vvhich causes euen the Gentils Paganes them selues haue borne great respect vnto these vvritinges not daring to mingle them vvith their ꝓphane vvritinges bicause as Iosephus and Eusebius affirme some that haue attēpted it l ●● Aut. c. 1. ● l. ● praepar● ● by the diuine and secret povver haue beene very sharpely and seuerly punished all vv ch is vvarrāted by historie traditiō This a Catholike vvould saye vvith great applause and no lesse probabilitie for the authoritie of scripture But vvhat vvould or vvhat could our reformers saye vvould they saye vvith the Catholike that they beleeue them to bee holy scripture bicause the Church sayeth so ●● Host● l. 3. ●●nt Brent Luther in deed sayeth that hee in this point beleeuethe the Churche and Pope and good reason hathe hee bicause of vvhō did hee receue the scriptures vvhen hee began first to preach his nevv doctrine but of the Romaine Churche vvho cuer had the custody of them euen since the tyme of the Apostles And hovve could he knovve that the ghospel of the Nazarens of sainct Barnabas Euseb l. ● c. 25. and sainct Thomas vvere not as rrue scripture as the ghospel of sainct Matthevve and other Euangelistes but that the Romain Churche allovved of these and not of those For this cause some of them do saye that in this point they must needs beleeue the Pope Romain Church bicause they cā not in deed haue any probable knovvledge of Scripture but by this meanes as shall appeare by the refutatiō of all other meanes vvhich they