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A69533 Five disputations of church-government and worship by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1659 (1659) Wing B1267; ESTC R13446 437,983 583

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true_a church_n or_o have_v true_a minister_n but_o the_o consequent_a be_v false_a therefore_o so_o be_v the_o antecedent_n of_o this_o i_o shall_v say_v more_o anon_o sect._n 33._o if_o none_o of_o the_o protestant_n churches_n that_o have_v not_o such_o bishop_n be_v true_a church_n and_o have_v not_o a_o true_a ministry_n than_o neither_o roman_a greek_a armenian_a aethiopian_a etc._n etc._n or_o almost_o any_o through_o the_o world_n be_v true_a church_n for_o they_o be_v defective_a in_o some_o great_a matter_n and_o chargeable_a with_o great_a error_n than_o these_o but_o the_o consequent_a be_v false_a therefore_o so_o be_v the_o antecedent_n he_o that_o deny_v all_o these_o to_o be_v true_a church_n deny_v the_o catholic_n church_n and_o he_o that_o deny_v the_o catholic_n church_n be_v next_o to_o the_o deny_v of_o christ._n sect._n 34._o have_v thus_o prove_v that_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n of_o ordination_n by_o such_o as_o the_o english_a prelate_n i_o have_v withal_o prove_v that_o man_n be_v not_o therefore_o ever_o the_o less_o minister_n because_o they_o have_v not_o their_o ordination_n nor_o our_o church_n or_o ordinance_n ever_o the_o more_o to_o be_v disow_v sect._n 35._o yet_o where_o there_o be_v no_o other_o ordination_n to_o be_v have_v it_o may_v be_v a_o duty_n to_o submit_v to_o they_o not_o as_o they_o be_v episcopi_fw-la exorte_v as_o even_o grotius_n call_v they_o or_o of_o this_o species_n but_o as_o they_o be_v pastor_n of_o the_o church_n notwithstanding_o such_o superfluity_n and_o usurpation_n sect._n 36._o it_o be_v not_o the_o duty_n therefore_o but_o the_o sin_n of_o any_o man_n that_o be_v ordain_v by_o such_o prelate_n to_o a_o lawful_a office_n to_o disclaim_v and_o renounce_v that_o ordination_n as_o some_o do_v for_o it_o be_v not_o every_o irregularity_n that_o nullifi_v it_o there_o may_v be_v many_o modal_a circumstantial_o or_o accidental_a miscarriage_n that_o may_v not_o null_a the_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o ordination_n itself_o sect._n 37._o yet_o it_o must_v be_v conclude_v that_o we_o may_v not_o be_v wilful_o guilty_a of_o any_o sin_n in_o the_o mode_n or_o accident_n but_o that_o may_v be_v a_o sin_n in_o the_o ordainer_n which_o the_o ordain_v may_v not_o be_v guilty_a of_o as_o do_v nothing_o that_o signify_v a_o approbation_n of_o it_o but_o perhaps_o disow_v it_o sect._n 38._o if_o we_o have_v be_v guilty_a of_o submit_v to_o a_o corrupt_a ordination_n as_o to_o the_o accident_n we_o must_v disow_v and_o repent_v of_o the_o sinful_a mode_n and_o accident_n though_o not_o of_o the_o ordination_n itself_o in_o substance_n as_o we_o must_v bewail_v the_o error_n and_o infirmity_n of_o our_o preach_n prayer_n and_o other_o holy_a duty_n without_o renounce_v the_o duty_n itself_o which_o be_v of_o god_n and_o to_o be_v own_v sect._n 39_o as_o to_o the_o question_n of_o some_o whether_o a_o man_n may_v be_v twice_o ordain_v in_o case_n he_o suspect_v his_o first_o ordination_n i_o answer_v 1._o you_o must_v distinguish_v between_o a_o general_n ordination_n to_o the_o office_n of_o the_o ministry_n and_o a_o special_a ordination_n to_o a_o particular_a church_n as_o the_o licens_v of_o a_o physician_n and_o the_o settle_v he_o over_o a_o city_n or_o hospital_n the_o first_o may_v be_v do_v but_o once_o in_o case_n it_o be_v true_o do_v but_o the_o second_o may_v be_v do_v as_o oft_o as_o we_o remove_v to_o particular_a church_n though_o yet_o both_o may_v be_v do_v at_o once_o at_o our_o first_o ordination_n they_o be_v still_o two_o thing_n even_o as_o baptise_v a_o man_n into_o member-ship_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n and_o take_v he_o into_o a_o particular_a church_n it_o be_v not_o like_a that_o the_o separation_n and_o imposition_n of_o hand_n on_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n act._n 13.2_o 3._o be_v to_o their_o first_o apostleship_n sect._n 40._o if_o a_o man_n have_v weighty_a reason_n to_o doubt_v of_o his_o first_o ordination_n his_o safe_a way_n be_v to_o renew_v it_o as_o be_v usual_a in_o baptim_o with_o a_o si_fw-la non_fw-la baptizatus_fw-la es_fw-la baptizo_fw-la te_fw-la if_o thou_o be_v not_o ordain_v i_o ordain_v thou_o this_o can_v have_v no_o danger_n in_o such_o a_o case_n chap._n vi_o ordination_n at_o this_o time_n by_o english_a prelate_n especial_o be_v unnecessary_a sect._n 1_o beside_o what_o be_v say_v against_o the_o necessity_n of_o such_o prelatical_a ordination_n in_o itself_o i_o conceive_v that_o more_o may_v be_v say_v against_o it_o as_o thing_n now_o stand_v from_o several_a accidental_a reason_n which_o make_v it_o not_o only_o unnecessary_a but_o sinful_a to_o the_o most_o sect._n 2_o as_o 1._o the_o obligation_n that_o be_v upon_o we_o from_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n be_v take_v off_o which_o with_o the_o prelate_n themselves_o be_v no_o small_a argument_n when_o it_o be_v for_o they_o so_o that_o we_o be_v no_o further_o now_o oblige_v than_o they_o can_v prove_v we_o so_o from_o scrip●u●e_a evidence_n and_o how_o little_a that_o be_v i_o have_v show_v before_o the_o english_a prelacy_n be_v take_v down_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n we_o be_v leave_v at_o liberty_n ●rom_o humane_a obligation_n at_o least_o sect._n 3_o if_o any_o man_n say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o unlawful_a power_n that_o have_v make_v those_o law_n by_o which_o prelatical_a government_n be_v take_v down_o i_o answer_v 1._o it_o be_v such_o a_o power_n as_o they_o obey_v themselves_o and_o therefore_o they_o may_v permit_v other_o to_o obey_v it_o they_o hold_v their_o estate●_n and_o life_n under_o it_o and_o be_v protect_v and_o rule_v by_o it_o and_o profess_v submission_n and_o obedience_n for_o the_o generality_n of_o they_o and_o when_o another_o species_n of_o government_n be_v up_o that_o command_v 〈◊〉_d to_o ●ake_v a_o engagement_n to_o be_v true_a to_o the_o government_n as_o 〈◊〉_d without_o a_o king_n and_o house_n of_o lord_n when_o our_o 〈◊〉_d refuse_v that_o engagement_n as_o unlawful_a the_o generality_n of_o the_o contrary_n mind_v take_v it_o even_o all_o that_o i_o be_v acquaint_v with_o that_o be_v put_v upon_o it_o so_o that_o i_o may_v take_v it_o for_o grant_v that_o they_o judge_v the_o power_n which_o they_o obey_v themselves_o to_o be_v obey_v by_o other_o sect._n 4._o and_o 2._o i_o will_v be_v glad_a to_o hear_v from_o they_o any_o regardable_a proof_n that_o those_o that_o govern_v when_o paul_n write_v the_o 13_o chapter_n to_o the_o roman_n have_v any_o better_a title_n to_o their_o government_n let_v they_o review_v their_o own_o late_a write_n on_o that_o subject_n and_o they_o may_v have_v argument_n enough_o that_o be_v valid_a ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la at_o least_o sect._n 5._o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n do_v make_v the_o act_n even_o of_o a_o usurper_n valid_a while_o he_o be_v in_o possession_n and_o make_v it_o treason_n to_o they_o that_o do_v against_o he_o that_o which_o be_v treason_n if_o it_o be_v against_o a_o lawful_a prince_n and_o therefore_o if_o we_o grant_v they_o what_o they_o here_o affirm_v it_o will_v be_v no_o advantage_n to_o their_o cause_n subject_n must_v look_v at_o the_o present_a governor_n with_o peaceable_a subjection_n for_o if_o they_o be_v leave_v to_o try_v their_o prince_n title_n and_o suspend_v obedience_n upon_o their_o single_a opinion_n you_o know_v what_o will_v follow_v sect._n 6._o and_o 3._o it_o will_v be_v hard_a to_o prove_v that_o many_o a_o prince_n that_o have_v rule_v in_o england_n have_v a_o better_a title_n it_o be_v know_v that_o many_o of_o their_o title_n be_v naught_o and_o yet_o their_o law_n be_v valid_a still_o or_o be_v so_o to_o posterity_n and_o how_o can_v they_o convey_v a_o better_a title_n to_o their_o heir_n then_o they_o have_v themselves_o if_o you_o say_v that_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n give_v they_o a_o better_a i_o must_v return_v that_o if_o that_o will_v serve_v the_o people_n in_o parliament_n more_o than_o one_o and_o in_o their_o real_a subjection_n have_v consent_v to_o this_o but_o this_o be_v a_o subject_n that_o require_v much_o more_o to_o be_v say_v of_o it_o or_o nothing_o at_o all_o and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v take_v up_o here_o with_o this_o little_a which_o he_o present_v cause_n make_v necessary_a sect._n 7._o and_o i_o may_v add_v a_o further_a reason_n that_o we_o be_v not_o only_o disoblige_v by_o the_o law_n from_o former_a prelacy_n but_o we_o be_v oblige_v against_o it_o the_o ruler_n have_v depose_v and_o forbid_v it_o and_o in_o lawful_a thing_n it_o be_v a_o duty_n to_o obey_v our_o governor_n and_o that_o the_o demolish_n of_o the_o prelacy_n be_v a_o lawful_a thing_n in_o itself_o consider_v for_o i_o meddle_v not_o with_o the_o manner_n at_o this_o time_n i_o have_v say_v enough_o before_o to_o