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A93511 Some queries propounded to the Common-Councell, and citizens of London, concerning the armies demand of having the militia of London of the 4th of May changed. Wherein the unreasonablenesse and great danger of that proposall, and the justifiablenesse of the cities refusall both in law and conscience, are fully demonstrated. 1647 (1647) Wing S4561A; Thomason E400_26; ESTC R201757 10,141 15

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London whatever his sufferings shall be once dare to speak a word against or complain of the godly Army And if they do shall they not be tried by a Councell of War and the Gentlemen Agitators for their lives can any thing lesse then this be expected seeing divers Sectaries here in London before the Army hath the Militia have threatned divers well affected persons for but questioning some of the Armies proceedings that they will complain to the Army of them and that they shall be fetched away with a Troop of Horse and such like 20. Whether if once the Army have the Power of the Militia of London ☜ shall not the Lord Mayor Aldermen and Common Councell be all put in by the Army and all or most of the old ones be put out And whether we must not have a Court of Aldermen and Common Councell all of the Armies Saints and gifted Brethren Alderman Stasemore the old Brownist Alderman Kiffin the yong Anabaptist Alderman Clement Wrighter the Antiscripturist Alderman Overton the Seeker Sir John Lilbugne Lord Mayor and in case any prophane Presbyter should be in that number shall there not be a charge from the Army to put them out 21. Whether all the Demands of the Army hitherto both to Parliament and City of not listing putting out Reformadoes disbanding those Companies that came from the Army of requiting all the Forces of England and Ireland under oue Command of the Cities Militia to be changed with all their actions and proceedings of entertaining into their Army all sorts of seizing on Ammunition of sending of Agitators into all parts of the Kingdom to draw the Souldery Navy and all Countreys into combination with them can tend to any thing else but the getting of all power into their hands and leaving Kingdom Parliament City naked of all help that so all lying at their mercy and every mans head being on the block they might either submit to their conditions whatsoever they be or else have their heads presently chopt off 22. Whether when the City hath parted with their Militia and the Army be in possession how long shall the City enjoy their Orthodox Preachers shall they not be quickly turned out or else daily affronted in the discharge of their Ministery by every rude Souldier and Mechanick standing up in the time of Preaching Prayer as they have done in other places Bristow c. shall they go quietly in the streets for them shall not every Pulpit be filled with Troopers and all sorts of ignorant Mechanicks and will not this City instead of sound Doctrine have all kinde of heresie blasphemie and error broached in Pulpits and every street Will not all the frogs and rabble of Sectaries from all parts of the Kingdom come up hither and London become the fink of all errors and confusion And shall they not all by the power of the Army have free quarter ☞ and be maintained of the rich mens estates for preaching to them O London thy glory will depart from thee as soon as the Army hath thy Militia and thou must bid adieu to the Gospel and thy faithfull Ministers Mr. Caelamie Mr. Roberts Mr. Cauton Mr. Case c. 23. Whether for this last six weeks a Councell of War consisting for the most part of Officers illeterate Mechanicks and broken fortuned and of Agitators common Troopers and Souldiers hath not been the supreame Judicatory of this Kingdom putting conditions and Laws on King Parliament City and Kingdom Nay whether have not King Parliament City and Kingdom been all true and honest Prisoners to the Army And whether hath any thing been done in Parliament or City unlesse within these few dayes but to confirm and execute the Votes and Acts of the Councell of War 24. Whether or no this City of London and the Magistrates thereof have not just cause when once their Militia is gone and the Army hath power of the City to expect their case and condition will be as the City of Munster was when possessed by the Anabaptists or rather worse Read but the story of the Anabaptists at Munster as 't is in Sleidan and as the History of them was written in English in the first yeer of this Parliament and the Citizens will see what to trust to if ever this Army be Misters of London Whether shall they not be ruled by Revelations whether the great wicked men must not be turned out of all that the Saints may inhabite the City Whether will not Mr. Peters preach then as he hath done lately in the Army that the beginning of Christs personall reign is come and that he will put his Kingdom into the hands of his Saints Dan. 7.18 25. Whether can any wise understanding man when the Army is possessed of the Militia of London and the Navy but look for strange things to be moved and acted which yet they forbear out of Policy Whether will they not then quite put down the House of Peers according to the many books they have printed and speeches they have spoken to that purpose Whether shall any Member of the House of Commons who is Presbyterian and for the publick sit there any more How long shall the Kings Majestie be uncharged and unproceeded against by the Army and the House of Commons of their new modelling what shall become of His royall Posterity Whether shall we not have Revelations of William Sedgwicks Saltmarshes Dells that the day of Judgement to the wicked is begun and that new Jerusalem the glorious state of the Church is come wherein Cromwell must be the King of Nations And after this Army hath subdued all the wicked great Men King Nobles Gentlemen rich Citizens c. then he must go with this Army to the gates of Constantinople and conquer the great Turk and his Councell of State of 21. must be Lilburn Overton Heuson Paul Hobson Pride Okey Joyce with so many of the Agitators as will fill up that number 26. Whether doth this City of London yet sufficiently confider and foresee the infinite dangerous consequences that must and will necessarily follow upon their giving up the Militia what it is to be at the mercy and in the power of an Army whose Commanders are generally men of mean parentage breeding estate an Army not ruled by principles of war their Generall and Commanders but by Agitators chosen by the common Souldiers and accountable to them an Army that contrary to all their Oathes Covenants Protestations have betrayed their trust and turned head against their Masters an Army that keeps to no principles nor rules but their will and lusts an Army whose principles for Religion Civill Government libertie propertie are prodigious that change all their principles according to their fancies and advantages an Army that hates this City to the death for their Remonstrance Petitions for Presbyteriall Government change of the Militia c. are these men fit to be trusted with the lives estates liberties of this City yea of three Kingdoms and they having gotten the power by tyrannie force and treacherie will they not as Tyrants sine Titulo as guilty persons and cowards maintain their power by tyrannie force till they have taken all persons and things out of the way they fear may do them hurt will they not plead for all necessitie self preservation preventing of a new war the peace of the Kingdom FINIS
again and had any Power ☜ there were so many of the malignant partie in the House of Commons that they joyning with him no honest man should keep his head on his shoulders and without this neither such as belonged to this Army nor any others could be secured Secondly since the Army have gotten the King divers of their partie Members of the House of Commons the Kings most mortall Enemies have been with one Mr. Willingam who keeps all the writings of Windebanks and other Papers of State to look out and peruse them for that end to see what matter they might finde against the King to make a Charge of and this Mr. Willingham hath been sent to and written unto by the Army about these Papers and to come down to the Army Thirdly Mr. Marshall and Mr. Nye coming from the Army too good friends to Cromwell and that party said to divers Members of the Assembly asking them about the Armies Propositions that the King should never have any Power more the Army would look to that he should for his own Family and in his Chappell enjoy the liberty of his Conscience but have never more to do in the Government of the Kingdom And I would ask any reasonable man seeing they have agreed and declared thus much already that the King shall have no more power how long time he thinks when they have gotten all the Power of the Militia into their hands and have new modelled the House of Commons as they have done the Army he shall enjoy his Conscience or his life And therefore O Common Councell and Citizens of London and all who love the King and his Posterity the Laws and Liberties of the Kingdom the Priviledges of Parliament the Reformed Protestant Religion part not with your Militia give not such a Sword into the hands of bruitish unreasonable men to destroy your selves and all that 's dear to you with And that you may lawfully and with a good conscience keep your Militia for the yeer and that to part with it at the pleasure of the Army is very unsafe and most dangerous I desire these following Quaeries may be well considered of 1. Whether an Ordinance made by Parliament in a time unquestionably of Freedom and liberty and in full Houses upon mature deliberation and after many dayes debate after answering all objections against the persons and things and after scanning upon every particular person contained in the Ordinance and this done upon the desire of the City to the Parliament and their nomination choice of the persons to be approved by the Parliament be to be judged more valid binding or an Ordinance made after Members driven away by the threats and approaches of an Army and upon the Demand of an Army and in a thin House of Commons and concluded upon on a sudden 2. Whether or no if the Parliament by Ordinance after mature advise and deliberation in full Parliament had given the City of London towards the payment of their debts five hundred thousand pounds and thereupon the City had been in possession of the money in case the Parliament upon another Ordinance made upon the desire of the Army after threatnings and driving away Members should have revoked this money whether would the City hold themselves bound in Law or conscience to part with it and if not as I suppose they would not Then I conceive they are lesse bound to part with their Militia as being much more to them without which they can neither keep their Estates lives or liberties but all they have as the case stands is exposed to ruine 3. Whether it would not have been judged and cried out of in the King as great injustice breach of the liberty of the Subject c. when he had given the grant of any thing for life or for term of yeers under the great Seal he should upon his own will without any fault in the persons have taken it from them before half the time expired And if it would be so in the King what is it in the Parliament to recall the Militia before half the time be out 4. What is any Ordinance of Parliament worth or will be accounted of by any if as soon as t is granted it may be thus recalled And upon what a slender foundation or broken reed will not men say they have built on all this while in lending those vast summes of money to the State and in acting for the Parliament if Ordinances by the Parliament it self be so easily made void and broken will ever men venture their lives and estates upon Ordinances 5. Whether the Armies desire of having the Militia thus changed and putting the Parliament so upon it to take it away against the will of the Common Councell and persons entrusted without any reason at all given or unfaithfulnesse found in them be not to put the Parliament upon exercising a meer Arbitrary Power and to rule by will and so against the Common Rights and liberty of the Subject so much complained of by the Army in all their Representations Remonstrances Declarations Letters and made the ground of their refusing to disband and of all the late differences between them and the Parliament 6. Whether in the judgement of any indifferent men it can stand with the honour Justice Authority and Gravity of the supreme Court of Judicature and the great Councell of a Kingdom when upon mature deliberation and weightie reasons in the most legall way and with the best securitie they have granted a thing to persons highly deserving of them and of known fidelity to them and the publick to take it away of a sudden without giving any reason at all or indeed there being any just cause for so doing but rather much to the contrary 7. Whether or no according to the judgement of the best Reformed Divines both forrain and English 't is not held lawfull for Subjects when by their Princes a Power is given unto them of Cities Forts Castles and Militia for their safety and security against an opposite party in the Land that would destroy them to hold and keep them for their defence against Edicts and Commands of Princes requiring to give them up yea against Armies sent to take them away by force And whether all Divines who allow of any Defensive Arms in any Cases to Subjects yea * See Bishop Abbot De Antichristo and especially Bp. Morton in his Sermon preached in the North before the K. of subjection to the higher Powers and against resisting Authority even then when the King went against the Scots how he excepts that Case of keeping Forts Militia given on purpose for security which I conceive he did on purpose according to the judgement of other Protestant Divines to free the Protestants in France and the Rochellers from R●bellion in standing upon their own defence in those Towns and Cities given them for their security against the bloody Papists Bishops the most tender of Subjects disobeying