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A79730 Eight propositions of the desires of the Commissioners of the General Assembly of Scotland, to the Parliament. 1 That the grounds and cause of undertaking a war may be cleare. ... 7 That none have power, but such as have given proofe of their honest dealing. 3 [sic] And that there be no ingagement without a civill oath. And the answer of the Lords to the said propositions. Also a petition entred in the Parliament of Scotland by eighteen Lords, and neer forty of the commons, of shires and burroughs of the Parliament of Scotland. Published according to order. Scotland. Parliament.; Church of Scotland. General Assembly. Commission. 1648 (1648) Wing C4224A; Thomason E434_27; ESTC R205277 2,930 8

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EIGHT PROPOSITIONS OF The desires of the Commissioners of the General Assembly of Scotland to the Parliament 1 That the grounds and cause of undertaking a war may be cleared 2 To consider what are the breaches of peace which are taken to be the ground of the war 3 That no ground or quarrell of war be that may break the union of the Kingdomes 4. If the Popish Prelaticall or Malignant party rise in armes that all meanes be used for suppressing them 5 That the Parliament will declare His Majesties Concessions and offers of Religion unsatisfactory 6 Security to be bad from His Majesty that he and his Successors shall agree to Acts of Parliament injoyning the League and Covenant the Presbytery and Directory 7 That none have power but such as have given proofe of their honest dealing 8 And that there be no ingagement without a civill Oath AND The answer of the Lords to the said Propositions ALSO A Petition entred in the Parliament of Scotland by eighteen Lords and neer forty of the Commons of Shires and Burroughs of the Parliament of Scotland Published according to Order Printed at London by ROBERT IBBITSON 1648. 1648. A PROTESTATION Entred IN THE PARLIAMENT OF SCOTLAND By eighteen Lords and neer forty of the Commons of Shires and Burroughs of the Parliament of SCOTLAND WHereas we have earnestly desired and prest that no power be granted to any Committee to doe act or Order any thing which may ingage this Kingdome in a new Warre before the Parliament resolve on a Warre and states the Causes and Ends thereof it being in our judgement neither agreeable to the Oath of Parliament and Tenor of Commons from Shires and Burroughes nor the Act of Parliameut 1640. And against the Articles it being also a dangerous preparative and much derogatory to the Liberty of the Kingdome and Priviledges of Parliament And most of all it being of dangerous consequence to the cause of God and to the ends of the solemne League and Covenant Wee doe therefore dissent from granting any such power and doe protest that we may not be included in any such Vote or Resolution but may be free before God and Man of all the guiltinesse prejudices or evill that may follow thereupon to the Cause Covenant and Religion to the Kings person and authority to this Kirke and Kingdome or the union betweene the two Kingdomes Edenburgh 22 March 1647. TO the Right Honourable the Estates of Parliament present conveened The humble desires of the Commissioners of the Generall Assembly Whereas we were desired to appoint a conference of some of your Lordships which did goe on towards an agreement till it was obstructed by a Vote of Parliament of the 16. of this instant and having already shewne by our papers of the 18. and 20. the reasons of not proceeding in that conference and that the cause was not in us we doe now as the servants of Jesus Christ for your exhortation for preventing of mistakes and for a cleare understanding betwixt yours and us represent these our humble desires which we commend to your Lordships serious thoughts I. That the ground and cause of undertaking was may be cleare to be so just as that all who are well affected may be satisfied in the lawfulnesse and necessity of engagement and that nothing be enacted in reference to a warre before the lawfulnesse of the warre and the state of the question be agreed upon II. That as the breaches of the Covenant by the Parliament partly by Sectaries in England are evident so we desire and hope that according to the treaties it may be considered upon and declared by the Parliament what are those breaches of peace which they take to be a ground of the warre and that whereabout thereof may be sought III. That there may be no such quarrell or ground of the warre as may breake the union between the Kingdoms or may discourage or disable the presbyterian party in England who continue from in adhering to the League and Covenant IV. That if the popish prevaile or malignant party shall againe rise in Armes this warre and their Armies may be so farre from joyning or associating with them that on the contrary they may oppose them and endeavour to suppress them as enemies to the Cause and Covenant upon the one hand as well as Sectaries on the other V. Seeing your Lordships undertakings should be in the first part for Religion we desire that His Majesties late consessions and offers concerning Religion as they have been by the Church so may be by the Parliament declared unsatisfectory whereby your Lordships may give a further evidence of the reality of your intentions for the good and safety of Religion VI. That your Lordships may be pleased not to fix or settle upon any such state of a question as doth not containe security and assurance to be had from His Majestie by his solemne oath under his hand and seale That he shall for himselfe and his successors consent and agree to acts of Parliament injoyning the League and Covenant and fully establishing Presbyterian Government Directory of worship and confession of faith in all His Majesties Dominions and that His Majesty shall never make any opposition to any of these or endeavour any change thereof and that this security be had from His Majesty before his restitution to the exercise of His Regall power which desire we propound for no other end but because we cannot see how Religion which hath been and we trust shall be the principle end of the undertakings of this nation can be otherwise secured but that without this security it shall be left in very great hazard VII That for the same end of securing Religion which is professed to be the principall end of engagement and for all the other ends of this Covenant such persons onely may be intrusted by your Lordships to bee of your Committees or Army as hath given constant proofe of their integrity and faithfullnesse in this Cause and against whom there is no just cause of exception or jealousie that so we may the more confidently incourage our Flocks and Congregations to follow the Cause of God in their hands and not to doubt of the fidelity of those who shall be intrusted by your Lordships VIII That there bee no ingagement without a Solemne Oath wherein the Kirke may have the same interest which they have had in the Solemne League and Covenant the Cause being the same All which desires being duly pondered by your Lordships in an equal ballance will we trust be found just and necessary And wee doe not doubt but satisfaction from your Lordships therein may be the happy effectuall means for facilitating the state of the question and for uniting the Nations in one unanimous undertaking of such duties as are requisite for the Reformation and defence of Religion the Honour and Happinesse of the Kiig and the good peace and safety of the Kingdomes Eight Noble-men eight Barrons eight Burgesesses from the Parliament with seaven Ministers and eight Ruling-Elders were appointed to keep a Committee and consider of the Articles aforesaid After which that Committee called a Committee from the Parliament and gave this report viz. March 25. 1648. Anent the first of the Articles agrees to it but so that nothing be acted in the meane time in reference to warre To the second Article that some be appointed to represent the breaches of the Covenant and Peace And to report their representation both of the time and manner Thirdly any ingagement to England if it be for strengthening the Vnion of the Presbyterian Party and the well-affected in England The fourth agreed to in matter and substance Fiftly Vpon the agreement and the whole matter and state of the question their Lordships will be pleased to declare His Majesties consessions to be unsatisfactory they agree Sixtly Declare that the present question to bee stated shal be an assurance to be had from His Majesty and His Successors that Acts of Parliament shall be agreed unto injoyning the League and Covenant and as to the second part of the Article That His Majesty shall doe this before His restoration It s remitted to those who shal be appointed for drawing up the state of the Question The seaventh agreed to verbatim To the eight to consider the framing of Oathes otherwise that they shall have their due interest past that some be appointed for drawing up of the question and grounds of ingagements for uniting the Kingdomse and further an uuanimous nnderstanding FINIS