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A68103 Ladensium autokatakrisis, the Canterburians self-conviction Or an evident demonstration of the avowed Arminianisme, poperie, and tyrannie of that faction, by their owne confessions. With a post-script to the personate Iesuite Lysimachus Nicanor, a prime Canterburian. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. 1640 (1640) STC 1206; ESTC S100522 193,793 182

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ceremonias à maioribus hominibus religiosissimis usurpatas quod advarios pietatis usus valeant exercitia quedam sunt quibus mens externarum rerum sensu significatione ad divinum cultum ipsumque Deum attrahitur in Ecclesia retinendas ubi abrogatae fuerant restituendas esse statuimus Andrews stricturae p. 13. Chrisme salt candles exorcismes signe of the crosse ephata and the consecration of the water those being all matters of ceremonie are therefore in the Church power on good reasons either to retaine are to alter For their tenets in the sacrament of the supper wee shall speak anone of them in the head of the masse 4. They tell us that our dispute about the five bastard sacraments is a plaine logomachie (y) Andrews stristurae p. 11. The whole matter about the five Sacraments is a meer 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 5. They tell us that not only infants after their baptisme but even men baptised in perfect age who before baptisme gave sufficient count of their faith yet they may not be esteemed full Christians while they have received confirmation by the imposition of hands and that alone by a Bishop (z) pokling altare p. 165. And because the competentes were persons of full age they received also consumation by imposition of hands ut pleni Christiani inveriantur About the orders they tell us that they agree with the papists in their number that the reason why they want their Acolits sub-deacons and the rest is but their Churches pouerty (zz) Andrews stricturae p. 12 The five orders is a point not worth the standing on while the revenues of the church were able to mantaine so many degrees it can not be denyed but that there were so many but by the Churches owne order neither by commandement nor example of Scripture but what is this to the present estate of the Church scarce able to mantaine twon Which can scarce wel mantaine the two orders of priests and deacons But which in their questions is worst of all they side here with the papists in giving to all the protestant Churches a wound which our enemies proclame to be mortall fatall incurable They tie the conferring of ordours by a full divine right to the office of bishops they avow that the lawfull use of all ordination and outward ecclesiastick jurisdiction is by God put in the hands of their persons alone Other reformed Kirks therefore wanting bishops their ministers must preacù celebrate the sacraments administer discipline not only without a lawfull warrand but also against the ordinance of God When they are put in minde of this great wound given by them to all other reformed Churches they either strive to cover it with the fig-tree-leaffs of an imagined case of necessity which never was or else plainly to passe over it as immedicable ( c.) Heylens antid sect 3. pag 8. Let the bishops stande alone on Apolicall right and no more then so and doubt it not but some will take it on your word and then plead accordingly that thing of apostolicall institution may bee laid aside When Bishop Andrews had learnedly asserted the episcopal order too bee of Christ institution I have heard that some who were there in place did secrerly interceed with King Iames to have had it altered for fear forsooth of offending our neighbour Churches Andrews resp ad epist. 3. Molm p. 195. Dixi abesse ab ecclesiis vestris aliquid quod de jure divino sit culpa autem vestra non abesse sed injuria temporum non enim tam propitios habuisse Reges Galliam vestram in Ecclesia reformanda quam habuit Brittannia nostra Interim ubi dabit meliora Deus hoc quoque quod jam abest per Dei gratiam suppletum iri Relatum inter haereticos Aerium qui Epiphanio credat vel Augustino necesse est fateatur tu qui damnes Aerium quo nomine damnas An quod se opposuerit consensui universalis ecclesiae Idem quisentit an non itidem se opponit ac eo nomine damnandus erit Montag antid page 138. Ordinationis jus autoritatem ita credimus annexam episcoporum personis ut a nemine non episcopo ordinato consecrato possit aut de beat adhiberi irritam ordinationem omnem pronunciamus quae non a legitimo canonico more proficiscatur quod si a se oriantur aliqui non missi ingerant caelesti huic muneri functioni manus viderint ipsi quid sint responsuri olim summo sacerdoti cujus partes usurpant nos nostras non aliorum tuemur vocationes Yea not only they ty ordination and jurisdiction to the person of bishops but of such bishops who must of necessity shew the derivation of al their power from the Pope as was shown before 6. In matrimonie they will keep not only the popish sacramentall words and signes the popish times of lent and other dysmall-dayes except the bishops give their dispensation but also they will have the whole matrimoniall causes ruled by the popes cannons yea which is more they avow that the cannon-Cannon-law by acts of parliament yet unrepealled stands in vigour amongst them (a) Dow p. 184. By his favour I must tell him that neither the law of God nor of the King doth disallow the use of the old canons and constitutious though made in the time of popery and by the pope or popish prelats which are not contrary to the law of God or the King If he desire proof of this let him consider whether the statute 25. Hen. 8.19 do not say as much as I affirme which having regulated diverse things touching the exercise of ecclesiasticall jurisdiction At last the statute concluds with this proviso provyded also that such Canons constitutions ordinances and synodals provinciall being already made not repugnant to the laws customes of this Realme nor to the hurt of the Kings prerogative royall shal now still be used and executed as they were before the making of this act till such time as they be viewed searched or otherwise ordered by the said two thirty persons or the more part of them according to the tenour of this present act It followes then that till these thirtie two persons determine otherwise old Canons may be still executed retaine their ancient vigour authoritie when that will be I know not but as yet I am sure it hath not been done Except in some few things which are directly opposit to some late laws of the land and that Cannon-law they will haue extendid as far down as the very councel of Basil (b) Femal glory pag. 128. With this pious and gratefull ordinance I conclude the visitation of our incomparable Ladie he meanes the act of the late Councell of Basile which ordained a festivall fo that visitation And as far up as the constitutions of the first Popes (c) Pocklingtoun altar pag. 52. There
LADENSIVM ἈΥΤΟΚΑΤΑΚΡΙΣΙS THE CANTERBVRIANS SELF-CONVICTION OR An evident demonstration of the avowed Arminianisme Poperie and tyrannie of that Faction by their owne confessions With a Post-script to the Personate Jesuite Lysimachus Nicanor a prime Canterburian Written in March and printed in April 1640 COR VNVM VIA VNA Summa Capitum THE Preface showeth the unreasonablenesse of this new warre That we have committed nothing against the late pacification That compassion hope and all reason call now for peace at home that at last we may get some order of our enemies abroad That the Canterburian faction deserve● not so well of England that armes in their favour ought to be taken against Scotland VVe offer to instruct their insupportable crimes by their owne writs If armes be needlesly taken in so evill a cause they cannot but end in an untimous repentance In this nicke of time very poore wits without presumption may venture to speake even to Parliaments The obstinate silence of the English Divines is prodigious CHAP. I. The delineation of the vvhole subsequent Treatise OUR Adversaries decline to answer our first and chiefe challenge The scope of this writt All our plea is but one cleare syllogisme the Major whereof is the sentence of our Iudge the Minor the confession of our partie the conclusion a cleare and necessary consequence from these two premisses CHAP. II. The Canterburians avovved Arminianisme ARminianisme is a great dangerous innovation of our Religion King Iames his judgment thereof The great increase of Arminianisme in Scotland by Canterburies meanes King Charles his name stolne by Canterburie to the defence of Arminianisme The Irish Church infected with Arminianisme by Canterburie The Canterburians in England teach the first second article of Arminius Why King James stiled Arminians Atheists They teach the third fourth article also the fifth The Arminians in England advanced Their opposites disgraced and persecuted Canterburie and his fellowes contrary to the Kings Proclamation goe on boldly to print let be to preach Arminian tenets A demonstration of Canterburies Arminianisme in the highest degree They make Arminianisme consonant to the articles of England and so not contrary to the Proclamation CHAP. III. The Canterburians professed affection towards the Pope Poperie in grosse ONce they were suspected of Lutheranisme but at last Poperie was found their marke To make way for their designes they cry down the Popes Antichristianisme they are content to have the Popes authoritie set up againe in England Their minde to the Cardinalat They affect much to be joyned with the Church of Rome as shee stands CHAP. IV. The Canterburians Ioyne vvith Rome in her grossest Idolatrie IN the middes of their denyalls yet they avow their giving of religious adoration to the very stock or stone of the altar As much adoration of the Elements they grant as the Papists require In the matter of Images their full agreement with Rome About relicts they agree with Papists They come neere to the invocation of Saints CHAP. V. The Canterburians avovv their embracing of the Popish heresies and grossest errours THey joyne with Rome in setting up traditions in prejudice of Scripture In the doctrine of faith Justification fulfilling of the Law merit they are fully Popish In the doctrine of the Sacraments behold their Poperie They are for the reerection of Monasteries and placing of Monkes and Nunnes therein as of old How neere they approach to Purgatory and prayer for the dead CHAP. VI. Anent their Superstitions FEW of all Romes superstitions are against their stomack They embrace the grossest not onely of their privat but also of their publick superstitions CHAP. II. The Canterburians embrace the Masse it selfe THey cry down so farre as they can all preaching They approve the Masse both for word matter The Scotish Leiturgie is much worse then English Many alterations into the Scotish specially about the offertorie the consecration the sacrifice the Communion CHAP. ULT. The Canterburians maximes of tyranny THE tyrannous usurpation of the Canterburians are as many and heavie as these of the Romish Clergie King Charles hates all tyrannie The Canterburians flatter him in much more power then ever he will take They enable the Prince without advice of the church to doe in all Eccelesiasticall affaires what he thinks meet They give to the King power to doe in the State what ever be will without the advice of his Parliament In no imaginable case they will have the greatest tyrants resisted What they give to Kings is not for any respect they have to Majestie but for their own ambitious covetous ends The Chiefe vvitnesses vvhich in the follovving action are brought into depone WIlliam Laud Arch-bishop of Canterburie in his speech before the Starre-chamber in his relation of his Conference with Iesuite Fisher as it was the last yeare amplified and reprinted by the Kings direction In Andrewes opuscula posthuma set out by him and dedicated to the King B. VVhyte of Eli in his treatise upon the Sabbath and his answer to the lawlesse Dialogue B. Montagu of Chichester in his answer to the gagger in his appeale in his antidiatribae in his apparatus in his origenes B. Hall of Exeter in his ould Religion set out with his owne apologie and the apologies of his Friends M. Chomley and M. Butterfield In his remedie of profanesse Peter Heylen Chaplan in ordinary in his answer to Burton set out as he sayes by the command of authoritie as a full and onely Reply to bee expected against all ●he exceptions which commonly are taken at my Lord of Canterburie his actions in his antidotum Lincolinense subscribed by Canterburies Chaplane D. Pottar Chaplan in ordinary in his charitie mistaken as he prints at the command of authoritie D. Laurence Chaplan in ordinary in his Sermon preached before the King and printed at the command of authoritie D. Pocklingtoune in his Sunday no Sabbath in his Altare Christianum both subscribed by Canterburies Chaplane Christopher Dow in his answer to Burtoune subscribed by Canterburies Chaplane Couzine in his devotions the fourth Edition subscribed by the B. of London my Lord high Treasuror his owne hand Chounaeus in his Collectiones Theologicae dedicated to my Lord of Canterburie and subscribed by his Chaplane Shelfoord in his five pious Sermons printed at Cambridge by the direction of the Vice Chanceler D. Beel set out with a number of Epigrames Latine and English by diverse of the Vniversitie fellowes defended yet still by Heylene and Dow in their bookes which Canterbury hath approven Antonie Stafford in his female glory printed at London and notwithstanding of all the challenges made against it yet still defended by Heylene and Dow in their approven writs William Wats in his Sermon of apostolicall mortification Giles Widowes in his Schismaticall Puritan Edward Boughen in his sermon of order and decencie Mr. Sp. of Queenes Colledge in Cambridge in his sermon of Confession Samuel Hoards in his sermon at the metrapolecall visitation Mr.
Tedders in his sermon at the visitation of the B. of Norwitch all subscribed by the hands of my L. of Canterburies Chaplane Bray Oliver Baker or some others THE PREFACE IT is fallen out much beside our expectation Wee did expect nothing lesse then warre that the storme of warre should now againe begin to blow when we did esteem that the mercy of GOD and justice of our Prince had setled our Land in a firme peace for many generations at least for many daies ever while some appearance of provocation should have arisen from us for the kindling of the wrath of our enraged enemies whose furie though we know well not to be quite extinguished yet we did surely think it would not breake forth in haste in any publick and open flame til some new matter had been furnished or some probable colour of a new quarrell could have beene alleadged against us When we have scattered that cloud of calumnies We have committed nothing that can bee pretended with any goodly colour for the breach of the late pac●fication which by their tongues and pens they had spread abroad of our rebellion many other odious crimes when by our frequent supplications informations remonstrances declarations and other writs wee have cleared aboundantly the justice of our cause the innocencie of our proceedings to all the ingenuous minde of the Yle and to so many of our neighbour nations as have beene desirous to cognosce of our affaires when our gracious and just Prince in the very heat of his wrath raised alone by their mis-informations even while armes were in his hand hath beene moved with the unanimous consent of all his English Counsell of all his Commanders and whole armie to acknowledge us good and loyall Subjects And after a full hearing of our cause in his Campe to professe his satisfaction to pronounce us free of those crimes which before were falsely blazed of us to send us all home in peace with the tokens of his favour with the heartie embracement of ●hat armie which came against us for our ruine When we in a generall Assembly of our Church with the knowledge and full consent of his Majesties high Commissioner whole Counsell have justified our opposition to the innovation of our Religion and Lawes by the Prela●es our excommunication of them therefore the renewing of our Covenant and all the rest of our Ecclesiast●call proceedings when our States in Parliament were going on in a sweet harmonie to confirme the weaknesses set right the disorders of our Estate that no farther then clear equitie reason law yea the very words of the pacificatorie Edict did permit whē our whole people were minding nothing but quietnesse having cast their neckes under the feet of our reconciled king put all their Castles Canons in his hand without any securitie but the royall Word and received heartily all those fugitives who had taken armes in the Prelates cause against their Countrie having no other minde but to sit down with joy g●e about our own long neglected businesse praising God and blessing the King The martiall mindes among us panting for languor to be imployed over sea for the honour of the Crowne in spending their bloud against the insolent enemies of his Majesties house While these are our only thoughts It was more then marveilous to us that first the dumbe and obscure whisperings and at once the loud blasts the open threats of a new more terrible and cruell warre then before should come to our eares that our Castles should be filled with strāgers be provided with extra ordinarie victuals and munition as against a present assault or long siege Many of our Nobles tempted to leave our cause numbers of assayes made to breake the unitie of all our Estates and at last our Parliament commanded to arise the Commissioners thereof after a long and wearisome journey to Court for the clearing of some surmised mistakes about moods and formes of proceedings refused presence a Parliament in England indicted as the rumour goeth to perswade that Nation our dearest neighbours with whom our cause is common to imploy their meanes and armes against us that so our old nationall and immortall warres may be renewed to make sport to Prelates a bridge for the Spainyard or French to come over Sea and sit downe masters of the whole Yle when both Nations by mutuall wounds are disabled for defence against the force of an enemie so potent as either France or Spaine are this day of them selves without the assistance which too like shall bee made them by the Papists of the Yle and many more who will not faile to joyne for their owne ends with any apparent victory Wee admire how it is possible that intestine armes without any necessity should be takē up at this season Compassion hope and all reason call now for peace at home that at last we may gett some order of our enemies abroad when all the Forces the whole Yle can spare are most earnestly called for by the tears of his Ma. only sister by the bloud long desolation of her most miserable Subjects by the captivitie and banishment of all her hopefull Children Prince Charles lying dayly under the hazard of the French hang man at Paris Prince Robert of the Austrian at Vienne the rest of that royall bloud lying so many yeares with their Mother banished in a strange Countrie Pietie would command us to put up all our homeward quarrels though they were both great and manie let be to forge any where none reall can be found Yea hope would allure us to try now if ever our Armes on those spitefull Nations the hereditary enemies of our Religion and of our Yle when God hath made them contemptible by the cleare successe hee giveth dayly to every one that riseth against them Banier with a wing of the Swed●sh Armie dwelling in spite of the Emperour all this yeare in the heart of his Countries a part of Weymers forces with a litle help frō France triumphing on the Rhene for all that Baviere Culen the Emperour or Spainiard can doe against them That very great and strong Armado all utterly crushed in our eyes by the Hollanders alone without the assistance of any The very French not the best sea men having lately beaten oftener then once the Spanish navies in the Mediterrian Shall we alone sit still for ever shal we send alwayes nought but base contemptible derided Supplications to these intractable Princes shall we feed our selves still with their scornfull promises which so oft wee have found to our great disgrace most false yea rather then to beate them by that aboundance of power which we have if God will give us an heart to imploy it rather then to pull downe those tyrants who have shed rivers of Protestants bloud who hath lōg tred on the persons of our nearest friends and in them on our honour Is it now meet we should choose
to goe kill one another alone for the bearing up of Prelates tailes and that of Prelates as unworthie of respect as any that ever wore a Mytre Let our kindred let our friends let all the Protestant churches perish let our own lives estates run never so evident an hazard yet the Prelates pride must be borne up their furious desire of revenge must be satiate all their Mandamus in these dominions must be execute with greater severitie and rigour then those of their brethren are this day in Italy or Spaine or those of their grand-father at Rome To us surely it is a strange Paradox that a Parliament of England The Canterburian faction deserveth not so well of England that armes in their favour ought to be taken against Scotland so wise grave equitable a Court as in all bygone times it hath ever proven should bee thought in danger at any time let be now to be induced by any allurement by any terrour to submitt themselves as Varlets and Pages to the execution of the lusts the furies and outragious counsels of Canturberrie and his dependars for they know much better then we that the maine greevances both of their Church and State have no other originall no other fountaine on earth but those men Who other but they have keept our most gracous Prince at a distance from the Countrie almost ever since he came to the Crowne For whose cause have Parliaments these many yeares beene hindred to meet and when they haue met beene quickly raised to the unspeakable grief and prejudice of the whole land and of all our friends abroad By whose connivence is it that the idolatrous Chappels of both the Queenes in the most conspicuous places of the Court are so gorgeous and much frequented Whose tollerance is it that at London three Masse-priests are to bee found for one Minister that three hundreth of them reside in the cittie in ordinat and six thousand at least in the countrie If yee trust the Jesuites Catalogue to Rome Whence comes their immunitie from the Lawes who have sett up Cloysters for Monks Nuns let bee houses for open Masses in divers cities of the Kings dominions Why is our correspondence with the Pope no more secret but our Agents avowedly sent to Rome his Holinesse Nuntioes received here in state and that such ones as in publick writs have lately defamed with unspeakable reproaches the person and birth of that most sacred Queene Elizabeth Such actions or at least long permission of such abominations doe they flow from any other but his Grace the head heart of the Cabbine Counsell Did any other but hee his creatures his legs and armes hinder alwaies our effectual alliance with the Sweeds French when their armies did most flourish in Germanie for the relief of the oppressed Churches Why was that poore Prince the king of Boheme to his dying day keept from any considerable help from Britaine How was these young Princes the other yeare permitted to take the fields with so small forces that a very meane power of a silly commander beat them both tooke the one captive and put the other in his flight to an evident hazard of his life Who moved that innocent Prince after his escape to take so strange a counsell as the world now speake off and when he was engadged who did betray both his purpose and person to the French king could any without the Cabbine understand the convey of such matters and within that Cabbine does any come without his Graces permission Is not that man the evident author of all the Scotish broyles Are not his Letters extant his holy hands interlynings of the Scotish service to bee seene his other writtes also are in our hands making manifest that the beginning and continuance of that cursed worke hath no spring without his braine When the King himselfe after ripe advertisement and all about him both English and Scots had returned in peace who incontinent did change the face of the Court and revive that fire which in the heart of the Prince and all his good Subjects was once closse dead That a Parliament of England will not onely let such a man his complices goe free Wee offer to instruct by the writ● of our partie their unsupportable crimes but to serve his humour will bee content to ingadge their lives and estates for the overthrow inslaving of us their best neighbours that over our carkases a path-way may be made for Bishops now and at once for the Pope and Spaniard ●o ●red on the neck both of their bodies and souls we can̄●t beleeve Yet if any such things should be prop●unded for what dare not effronted impudence attempt we would require that sage Senat before they passe any bloudy sentence of war against us to consider a little the quality of that party for whose cause they take arms we offer to instruct to the ful satisfaction of the whole world of free imprejudicat mindes not by flying reports not by probable likelihoods not by the sentences of the gravest most solemne judicatories of this land our two last generall assemblies late parliam who at far greater length with more mature advisement did cognosce of those causes then ever any assembly or parlia among us since the first foundation of our Church kingdom did resolve upon any matter whatsoever All those means of probation we shall set aside and take us alone to the mouth of our very adversaries If by their own testimonie we make it evident that beside bookes ceremonies and Bishops which make the proper particular quarrel of this nationall Kirk against them they are guilty of grosse Arminianisme plaine popery and of setting up of barbarous tyrannie which is the common quarrell of the Kirk of England of all the reformed Kirks and of all men who delite not to live dye in the fetters of slavery If we demonstrate not so much by their preachings and practises amongst us as by their maximes printed with priviledge among your selvs which to this day though oft pressed thereto they have never recanted If wee shew that yet still they stifly avow all the articles of Arminius a number of the grossest abominations of popery specially the authoritie of the Sea of Rome that they urge conclusiōs that will force you without any reluctance so much as by a verball protestation not onely to give way unto any iniquitie whatsoever either in Kirk or State whereto they can get stollen the pretext of the kings name but also to lay down your neck under the yoke of the king of Spaine if once he had any sitting in this Yle without any further resistance though in your Church by force that Tyrant should set up the latine Masse in place of the Bible and in your State for your Magna-Charta and acts of Parliament the Lawes of Castile though in your eyes he should destroy the whole race of the royall familie
councell 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an adoration of the altar and in the synodals of Odo reverentian altaribus exhibendam and in Damascene 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and in another divina altaria and in the life of Marie the Egyptian 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 casting my selfe to the earth and worshipping the holy ground and the Grecians triple prostrations tria 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 before the altar in the old Liturgies not only by a relative and transient worship as he speaks (e) Ibid. Although they gave a religious reverence to these places yet they terminat that religious reverence in God not in the places The throne is honoured for the King hee that respects the house for the owners sake respects not the house but him but also which is a degree of madnesse beyond any thing that I ever have marked in any Papist he will have a Divine adoration given to the altar it self without any relation or mentall abstraction because of the union of Christs bodie with it which sits there as in a chaire of estate even as without scruple or relations or mentall abstractions wee give to the humane nature of Christ for that personall union of the godhead with it Divine adoration whereof in it selfe it is not capable (f) Ibid. page 30. So much they said but to justifie the practice of our Church I need not say so much for as although the humane nature of Christ receive all from the Divine yet wee adore the whole suppositum in grosse which consists of the humane as well as of the Divine So because of Gods personall precense in the place wee adore him without abstraction of his person from the place to wit the altar Pockling alt page 153. Altars have beene in allages so greatly honoured because they are the seats and chaires of Estate where the Lord vouchsafeth to place himselfe amongst us Quid est enim altare as Optatus speakes nisi sedes corporis sanguinis Christi For the adoration of the communion elements As much adoration of the elemēts they grant as the Papists require which Protestants count an Idolatrie so horrible that for it alone they would not faile to seperate from the church of Rome though she had no other fault (g) Apologie des Eglises reformes par Ioan Daile chap. 20. their minde is plaine by the practice which his Grace maketh Heylene in his State answere defend we do passe their adoration in the act of communicating albeit wee think it strange to see men who once were counted moderat and wise by the touch of his Graces patron to become so insolent as to hisse and hout at the doctrine and practice of the best reformed Churches as vile and monstruous (h) Hale remedy of profainnesse page 128. away with these monsters of opinion and praictise in this sacrament Christ Iesus is heer really tendered to us and who can who dare take him but on his knees who in the act of receaving hath thought meet to sit or stand rather than to kneele we spake onlie of these their new adorations which against the constant practice of the English church they are now begun to use without the act of receaving a number of low cringes towards these elements when they take the paten in their hand a low inclinabo before the bread when they set it downe another when they take up the chalice a third when they set it downe a fourth (i) Heylens moderat answer pag. 237. if bowing towards the communion table bee offensive to you at the administration of the Sacrament I would faine know upon what reasons you stomack that men should use their greatest reverence in so great an action thinke you it fit the Priest should take into his hands the holy mysteries with out lowly reverence or that it is an innovation so to doe That these avowed adorations before the element without the act of receaving are directed by them not only they say to the person of Christ whom they make their essentially present but also unto the elements themselves we prove it by no other reason but their former confession Their adoration before the altar is done as they confesse unto the altar much more their adoration before the elements without the act of receaving must bee unto the elements For I hope they will bee loath to affirme that there is in the altar any worthinesse or aptitude or any other cause imaginable which can make it capable of adoration but the same causes are in the elements in a farre higher degree The relation to Christs Body and Person which they make the only foundation of those worships being much more true more near more clear in the elements then in the altar howsoever the Popish prostrations and adorations before the hostie which to all Protestants is so abominable idolatry are absolved by these men not onely by the clearing of Papists of all idolatrie everie where but particularly by their impatience to have the adoration of the elements to be called Popish For in our book of Canons when in the copie sent up to the King the adoration of the bread Chap. 6. Was styled by our Bishopes the Popish adoration my lord of Canterburie on the margine with his owne hand directeth to scrape out the word Popish as we can shew in the authentick manuscript of that booke now in our hands Concerning images In the matter of images their full agrean●e with Rome behold their assertions first they tell us that the pullers down of images out of their churches were but lownes and knaves pretending onely religion to their profane covetousnesse that they were truelie iconoclasticke and iconomachiam hereticks (k) Montag orig pag. 162. Imagines illa per Ecclesias constituta quae furorem effugerunt iconoclastarum ibid. pag. 174 sub praetextu reformatae pietatis Deum Ecclesiam pietatem per nefandissima sacrilegia eversis ubicunque monasteriis templis sacrariis redactis in fiscum maximis reditibus emunxerunt causantur sc religiosi nebulones c. 2 That those who do pull downe or breake or offereth any indignitie to a crosse to a crucifix to a Saints image are but madfools that those injuries reflect upon Christ and the Saints and are revenged sundrie times with plagues from heaven (l) Montag antid pag. 28. Verissimum est omninoquod affirmas 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ut Caesaris imago in numismate ut Miletii character in pala annuli quod si quis Caesarem in charactere suo numismate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in archetypum transit ea contumelia quo modo si quis sancti alicujus imaginem dedecore afficiat illum ego 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 optaverim suae temeritatis paenas dare Studley in his glasse for schismatiks about the end tels us that hee knew a Churchwarden for the taking downe of a crosse which he conceived to have beene by his neigbours idolized to have al his