Court thus Recorded I know much of the petitioners Lands is waste and no part of it improved by any manner of husbandrie other then in grazing of Cattle and in sowing of little Oates And the proprietors of the Land to be for the most part very poore and needie and the two Children of Neale mac Hugh to be yet under age Wherefore I thinke it fit that the Court of Exchequer should consider thereof and rate the respite of homage accordingly for a time untill the Countie be better inhabited and these men made to understand that it is not an imposition but a lawfull duty and payment due to his Majestie This is my advise and opinion for the present xxx die April 1610. Arthur Chichester Vpon this the said Freeholders were admitted to pay but foure pence Irish every Twogh of Land it consisting of sixteene Towne-lands and according to this rate they still payed untill the yeare 1630. and then the Court taking notice of the unequalitie of it made this order 5. Febr. 1630. After this I finde that all his Majesties Tenants did conforme themselves to the said order of 1607. untill Easter Terme 1637. in which Terme this ensuing order was made which is the last that I can finde Recorded in my Office Henry VVarren I finde by the payments made in the late Queen Elizabeths time that the rates of homage payed was according to the said order of 1607. Henr. VVarren Divers were actually imprisoned and long kept in close restraint for none other cause then in dutifull manner be seeming termes to have made knowne their particular complaints to his sacred Majesty imprisonment of this kind was frequent therefore it is not improper to demaund by what law it was done Many have lost great estates and possessions by Orders of the Counsel-bord although the Deanes elected or actuall Deanes confirmed their estates if no donation from the Crown were found upon Record to the confirming Deane and this after that by verdict at the Common-law the Deanrie was found to be Elective this Question therefore is not improper After such time as this Parliament was agreed upon at Counsell-board to bee summoned some persons having prepared bloudy and destroying Bils to be past as lawes and intending to defeate by act of Parliament very many of his Majesties faithfull subjects of this kingdome of their estates and liberties and having obtayned some undue elections by threates or intreaties mistrusting that all should run cleere before them have caused twenty foure Corporations to bee seized upon the returne of the first summons in severall Quowarrantees procured by Sir Richard Osbalston late Atturney generall to shew cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament the said Corporations having formerly sent Burgesses to the Parliament even to the last Parliament by meanes whereof the said Corporations sent no Burgesses in the beginning of this Parliament from this act being done in a legall Court against the high Court of Parliament sprung this question which My Lords is of consequence if Parliaments be so as without question they are The faith which the Common-law giveth to verdicts the Iurors being Iudges of the fact the late usage of that great Court growing to the punishment of Iurors and others in greater numbers by heavier fines and more shamefull punishments without respect to estate age sex or qualitie then was or can be observed in all precedent times and the just sense thereof moved the house of Commons to propound these questions My Lords a poore fellow stole or was accused to have stolne a Sheepe feare or guilt or both brought him to the mountaynes another relieved him the reliever was executed as a Traytor and after the principall submits to tryall and judgment and was acquited this example My Lords I hope may warrant the question The testimony of such infamous persons have brought men of qualitie to their tryall for their lives and being acquited the Iurors being of very good ranke were heavily censured in the Castle-chamber aswell by fines surmounting their abilities as by most reprochfull punishments upon these acts the question is grounded There being no warrant in the Printed law or otherwise for ought yet appearing for to make this a Tenure in Capite the constant course of the Court of wards taking it to be no Tenure in capite since the erection of that Court untill Trinitie terme 1639. it was then and not before certified a tenure in capite by the then Atturney of that Court who said that the Iudges concurred with him in that opinion by which meanes Counsell did not then argue and the next terme after were denyed to be heard ne aliquid contra responsum prudentum this being done in the Court of wards the question did spring from thence The two and twentieth question was not yet agitated in the house of Commons nor brought thither therefore My Lords that may be deferred to a further conference By this which I have opened being the smaller part of those weighty reasons delivered unto mee by the house of Commons yet the best I can for the present remember I hope your Lordships are satisfied that those questions were not intrapping fayned or circumventing or phantazies as formerly I touched In the next place I will labour to give your Lordships a more cleere satisfaction that those questions grounded upon sufficient and apparant reasons and causes doe deserve cleare and satisfactorie answers and to remove all doubts The questions I will no more call Questions I will humbly style them Causes of weight and Consequence wherein the Lords and Commons of this Realme on the behalfe of themselves and their posteritie in after times are Plaintifes and only delinquents of an high nature are defendants in this high Court of Parliament It is not unworthy your Lordships consideration to whom the questions were put I answer unto the Iudges of the Land who are and sure I am ought to be first etate graves secondly eruditione praestantes thirdly usu rerum prudentes fourthly publica authoritate constituti The persons unto whom being thus qualified the place where is most considerable it is the high Court of Parliament the Iudges are called thither Circa ardua urgentia negotia regni of the whole kingdome what to doe Quod personaliter intersint cum Rege ac cum caeteris de consilio suo super dictis negotijs tractaturi consiliumque impensuri Therefore they are not called thither to bee ciphers in augurisme or tell clockes no those great causes are mentioned in their writ and upon that great Oath they are to give faithfull counsell and make direct answers to your Lordships in all things wherein ardua urgentia regni are concerned and whether that concernment doe comprehend the matters aforesaid I doe humbly offer to your Lordships great consideration most of the matters included in those questions are solemnely voted in both houses
takes away the Kings prerogative for cutting woodes where he pleased many other cases there are upon this learning By this great Iustice and bounty of the Kings of England the Kings grew still greater and more permanent The people became free and wealthy no King so great as a King of rich free people If the Councell-table may retaine cognizance of causes coÌ„trary to the Law to so many Acts of Parliament why may they not avoyde all Acts of Parliament aswell This no man will affirme nor they intend My Lords two objections seeme to stand in my way First the multitude of presidents countenancing the cognizance of the Councell-board in the matter aforesaid some in ancient times and of late in great clusters throngs Secondly that in book Cases it appeares the Iudges of Law did take advice in their Iudgements with the Kings Counsell as 40 Ed. 3. fol. 34. 39. Ass placito primo 35. Edw. 3. fol. 35. 19. Edw. 3. fitz Iudgement 174. In answer to the first as for the multitude of presidents hinc illae lachrymae there is our griefe I find in our Bookes that presidents against Law doe never bind there is no downe right mischiefe But a president may be called upon to beare it up Iudicandum est legibus non exemplis Cooke 4. fol. 33. Mitâ—ons case Cooke 11. fol. 75. Magdalen Colledges case Cooke 4. fol. 94. Slades case multitudo errantium non parit errori patrocinium I answer to the second that in those yeare books of Edw. 3. It is true that the Iudges appealed to the Kings Councell for advice in law but who gave the Iudgment the Iudges and what Iudgement a legall Iudgement and no paper or arbitrary Iudgment If this objection were materiall I might answer further that the Councell here may bee understood the great Councell viz. the Parliament propter excellentiam vide Cooke 6. 19. 20. Gregories case By the stat of 4. Edw. cap. 3. 14. and 36. Edw. 3. c. 10. Rastall fol. 316. Parliaments were then to be held once a yeare the booke of 39. Edw. 3. fol. 35. in the case of a formedon may well warrant this explanation of those books the Bishops Abbots Earles and Barons mentioned in the said books may be well taken to be the Lords house which might sit by adjournements in those times of frequent Parliaments My Lords I kept you too long upon this Question I will be as short in the next And so I conclude the answer as to this point is no answer and whether the matters therein comprized be of dangerous consequence I submit to your Lordships If the Chiefe Governor and Councell of this kingdome cannot heare or determine the causes aforesaid surely the Chiefe Governor alone cannot doe it all I have said to the third I doe apply to this Question together with one president worthy your observation in 25. Edw. 1. Claus. m. 20. where I have an authenticke coppie viz. Claus. vicessimo quinto Eaw primi m. 20. Rex dilecto fideli suo Iohanni VVogan Iusticiario suo Hiberniae salutem cum intellexerimus quod vos comunia placita quae totis temporibus retroactis per brevia originalia de Cancellaria nostra Hiberniae placitari deberent consueverunt per billas petitiones vacuas jam de novo coram vobis deduci facitis etiam terminari per quod feodum sigilli nostri quo utimur in Hibernia fines pro breuibus dandis ad alia commoda quae nobis inde solent accrescere di versimode subtrabuntur in nostri incolarum partium illarum damnum non modicum gravamen nolentes igitur hujusmodi novitates fieri per quas nobis damna gravia poterunt evenire vobis mandamus quod si ita est tunc aliqua placita comunia quae per brevia originalia de Cancellaria nostra praedictâ— de jure consuetudine hucusque visitata habent terminari per petitiones billas coram vobis deduci placitari aut terminari de caetero nullatenus praesumatis per quod vobis imputari debeat aut possit novum incommodum in hac parte Teste Rege apud Shestoniam xxiij die Martij Convenit cum Recorda VVilliam Collet Your Lordships may see that in Edward the firsts time the King took notice First that the said petitions were void Secondly that his revenues were thereby impaired Thirdly that it was against the Custome of the land of Ireland Fourthly that it was to the grievance of the people of Ireland Fifthly he comanded Iohn VVogan then Chiefe Governor not to presume to deale in the like proceedings thereafter I marvaile not a little wherefore the Iudges in our time after so many acts of Parliament since 25. Edw. 1. should make any doubt or question to answer this cleerly My Lords I humbly desire not to be misconstrued in the debate of this Question my meaning is not to pry into his Majesties just prerogatives Qui enim majestatem scrutatur Principis corruet spelndore ejus the old saying in English is as good he that hewes a block above his head the chipps will fall into his eyes The Question warrants no such scrutinie I may not officiously search into it The Question is onely whether grants made of monopolies to a subject be good in law And whether by pretext of such grants the Kings free people may loose their goods by seisures or may be fined imprisoned pillored papered c. Those things have been done and acted in many cases where the Monopolites were Iudges and parties in which case if an act of Parliament did erect such a Iudicatorie it were void as against naturall Iustice Cooke 8. 118. a Doctor Bonhams case I speake to that thing that odious thing Monopolie which in law is detestable Cooke 11. 53. b. the Taylors of Ipswich case by which any subject is hindered to exercise his lawfull trade or lawfully to acquire his living and the Condition of a bond being to restraine any man from his trade the bond is void in law 2 Hen. 5. 5. b. In this case the Iudge Hull swoare par Dieu if hee who tooke this bond were present he would fine him to the King and commit him to prison by which case I observe that the consent of the partie cannot make it good That a Patent of any such Monopolies is a grievance against the Common wealth and consequently voyd in law the case was of Cards which is observable Cook 11. 85. 86. 87 c. Darcy Allens Case There is a Condition tacite or expresse in every grant of the Kings Ita quod patriamagis solito non gravetur vel oneretur vid. Fitz. N. br fol. 222. Cod. ad quod damnum This learning is so cleare as to Monopolies thus stated that I will dwell no longer upon them as I hope they may no longer reside among us The
of what Civill causes they have jurisdiction and by what law and of what force is their order or decree in such cause or any of them That the Councell-table of this Realme eyther with the chiefe Governor or Governors is no Iudicatorie wherein any action reall personall popular or mixt or any suite in the nature of the said actions or any of them can or ought to bee commenced heard or determined and all proceedings at the Councell-table in any suite in the nature of any of the said actions are voyde especially causes particularly provided for by expresse acts of Parliament of force in this kingdome onely exempted The like of the chiefe Governor above The proceedings before the chiefe Governor or Governors alone in any action reall personall popular or mixt or in any suite in the nature of any of the said actions are Coram non Iudice and voyde VVhether grants of Monopolies be warranted by the law and of what and in what cases and how and where and by whome are the pretended transgressors against such grants punishable and whether by fine mutillation of members imprisonment losse and forfeyture of goods or otherwise and which of them All grants of Monopolies are contrary to the lawes of this Realme and therefore voyde and no subject of the said Realme ought to bee fined imprisoned or otherwise punished for exercising or using their lawfull liberty of a subject contrary to such grants In what cases the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputie or other chiefe governor or governors of this kingdome and Councell may punish by fine imprisonment mutillation of members pillory or otherwise and whether they may sentence any to such the same or the like punishment for infringing the commaunds of or concerning any proclamation of and concerning Monopolies and what punishment doe they incurre that vote for the same The Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other chiefe governor or governors and Councell of this Realme or any of them ought not to imprison any of his Majesties subjects but onely in Cases where the Common-lawes or statutes of the Realme doe enable and warrant them so to doe they ought not to fine or to censure any subjects in mutillation of members standing on the pillory or other shamefull punishment in any case at the Councell-table and no subject ought to be imprisoned fined or otherwise punished for infringing any commaunds or proclamation for the support or countenance of Monopolies And if in any case any person or persons shall bee committed by the commaund or warrant of the chiefe governor or governors and privie Councell of this Realme or any of them that in every such case every such person or persons so committed restrayned of his or their libertie or suffering imprisonment upon demaund or motion made by his or their Councell or other imployed by him or them for that purpose unto the Iudges of the Court of Kings-bench or Common-pleas in open Court shall without delay upon any pretence whatsoever for the ordinarie fees usually payed for the same have forthwith granted unto them or him a writ or writts of Habeas Corpus to be directed generally to all and every Sheriffe Gaoler-minister officer or other person in whose custody the party or parties so committed or restrayned shall be shall at the returne of the said writ or writs and according to the commaund thereof upon due and convenient notice thereof given unto him at the charge of the party or parties who requireth or procureth such writ or writs and upon securitie by his or their owne Bond or Bonds given to pay the charge of carrying backe the prisoner or prisoners if hee or they shall bee remanded by the Court to which he or they shal be brought as in like causes hath beene used such charges of bringing up and carrying backe the prisoner or prisoners to be alwayes ordered by the Court if any difference shall arise there about to bring or cause to be brought the body or bodies of the said partie or parties so committed or restrayned unto before the Iudges Iustices of the said Court from whence the same writ or writs shall issue in open Court shall then likewise certifie the true cause of such his or their detayner or imprisonment and thereupon the Court after such returne made and delivered in open Court shall proceed to examine and determine whether the cause of such commitment appearing upon the said returne be just and legall or not and shall thereupon doe what to justice shall appertayne eyther by delivering bayling or remanding the prisoner or prisoners Of what force is an act of state or proclamation in this kingdome to bind the libertie goods possessions or inheritance of the Natives thereof whether they or any of them can alter the Common law or the infringers of them loose their goods chattels or leases or forfeyte the same by infringing any such act of state proclamation or both and what punishment doe the sworne Iudges of the law that are privy Councellors incurre that vote for such acts and execution thereof An act of state or proclamation in this kingdom cannot bind the libertie inheritance possession or goods of the subjects of the said kingdome nor alter the Common-law and the infringers of any such act of state or proclamation ought not to forfeyte lands leases goods or chatels for the infringing of any such act of state or proclamation And the Iudges of the law who doe vote for such acts of state or proclamation are punishable as breakers and violaters of their Oathes of Iudges Are the subjects of this kingdome subject to the marshall law whether any man in time of peace no enemie being in the field with banner displaid can be sentenced to death if so by whom and in what causes if not what punishment doe they incurre that in time of peace execute marshall law No subject of this kingdome ought to bee sentenced to death or executed by Marshall-law in time of peace and if any subject be so sentenced or executed by marshall-law in time of peace the authors actors of any such sentence or execution are punishable by the law of the land for their so doing as doers of their owne wrong and contrarie to the said law of the land VVhether voluntary Oathes taken freely before arbitrators for affirmance or disaffirmance of any thing or for the true performance of any thing be punishable in the Castle-chamber or any other Court why or wherfore No man ought to bee punished in the Castle-chamber or in any other Court for taking a voluntary Oath before arbitrators for affirmance or disaffirmance of any thing or the true performance of any thing in civill causes nor are the arbitrators before whom such voluntary oathes shall be taken punishable VVhy and by what law or by what rule of policie is it that none is admitted to reducement of fines
and are proportionable by Parliament 13. Whether it be censurable in the Subjects of this kingdome to repaire unto England to appeale to his Majestie for redresse of injuries or for other lawfull occasions if so why and in what condition of persons and by what law 14. Whether Deanes or other dignitaries of Cathedrall Churches be properly and de mero jure Donative by the King and not Elective or Collative if so why by what law whether the confirmation of a Deane de facto of the Bishops grant be good valid in law or no if not by what law 15. Whether the issuing of Quo-warrantoes out of the Kings Bench or Exchequer against Burroughes that anciently and recently sent Burgesses to the Parliament to shew cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament be legall or if not what punishment ought to be inflicted upon those that are or hath been the occasioners procurers and Iudges of and in such Quo-warrantoes 16. By what law are Iurors that give verdict according to their conscience and are the sole Iudges of the fact censured in the Castle-Chamber in great fines and sometimes pillored with losse of eares boared through the tongue and marked sometimes in the forehead with a hot iron and other like infamous punishment 17. By what law are men censurable in the Castle-Chamber with the mutillation of members or any other brand of infamy and in what causes and what punishment in each case there is due without respect of the qualitie of the person or persons 18. Whether in the Censures in the Castle-Chamber regard be to be had to the words of the great Charter viz salvo contenemento c 19. Whether if one that steales a sheepe or commit any other felony after flyeth the course of Iustice or lyeth in woods or mountaines upon his keeping be a traytor if not whether a Proclamation can make him so 20. VVhether the testimony or evidence of Rebels Traytors protected theeves or other infamous persons be good evidence in law to bee pressed upon the tryalls of men for their lives or whether the Iudge or Iurors ought to be Iudge of the matter in fact 21. By what law are Fayres and Markets to be held in Capite when no other expresse tenure be mentioned in his Majesties Letter-Pattents or grants of the same Fayres and Markets although the rent or yearely summe be reserved thereout Copia vera Extract per Phil. Fern Cleric Parl. Com. THE ANSWER AND DECLARATION OF THE IVDGES Vnto the questions transmitted from the Honorable House of Commons unto the Lords Spirituall and Temporall in Parliament assembled whereunto they desired their Lordships to require the said Iudges answers in writing forthwith May 25. 1641. IN all humblenesse the said Iudges doe desire to represent unto your Lordships the great sence of griefe that they apprehend out of their feare that they are falne from that good opinion which they desire to retayne with your Lordships and the said house of Commons in that notwithstanding their humble petition and reasons to the contrary exhibited in writing and declared in this most honorable house your Lordships have over-ruled them and often commanded their answers unto the said Questions although they have informed your Lordships and still with assurance doe averre that no president in any age can be shewen that any Iudges before them were required or commanded to give answer in writing or otherwise unto such generall or so many questions in such a manner in Parliament or elsewhere unlesse it were in that time of King Richard the 2d which they humbly conceive is not to be drawne into example And therefore they yet humbly supplicate your Lordships so farre to tender their profession and places and their relation to his Majesties service as to take into your serious considerations the reasons that they have annexed to this their answer before their answer be entred or admitted among the Acts of this high Court and that if your Lordships in your wisdomes shall after thinke fit to give any Copies of their Answers that for their Iustification to the present and succeeding times your Lordships will be pleased to require the Clerke of this most honorable House that no Copies may be given of the said answers without the said reasons 2. Secondly the said Iudges humbly desire your Lordships to be pleased to be informed that the words in his Majesties writs by which they are commanded to attend in Parliament are that the said Iudges shal be present with the Lords-Iustices or other chiefe Governor and your Lordships at the said Parliament called Pro arduis urgentibus regni negotijs super dictis negotijs tractaturi consilium suum impensuri And they desire your Lordships to take into your consideration whether any advice may be required by your Lorpships from them but concerning such particular matters as are in treaty and agitation and judicially depending before your Lordships upon which your Lordships may give a judgement order or sentence to be recorded among the Records and Acts of this honorable House and whether they may be commanded by your Lordships to subscribe their hands unto any opinion or advice they shall give upon any matters in debate before your Lordships there and whether your Lordships can conceive any finall resolution upon the matters contayned in the said Questions 3. Thirdly although the said questions are but twenty two in number yet they say that they contayne at least fifty generall questions many of them of severall matters and of severall natures within the resolution of which most of the great affaires of this kingdome both for Church and Common-wealth for late yeares may be included and therefore the said Iudges do openly aforehand professe that if any particular that may have Relation to any of those questions shall hereafter come judicially before them and that eyther upon argument or debate which is the sive or fann of truth or discovery of any generall inconvenience to the King or Common-wealth in time which is the mother of truth or by further search or information in any particular they shall see cause or receive satisfaction for it they will not be concluded by any answer they now give to any of these generall questions but they will upon better ground and reason with their predecessors the Iudges in all ages with holy Fathers Councels and Parliaments retract and alter their opinion according to their conscience and knowledge and the matter and circumstances of the cause as it shall appeare in judgement before them it being most certayne that no generall case may be so put but a circumstance in the matter or manner may alter a resolution concerning the same 4. Fourthly the succeeding Iudges and age notwithstanding any answer given by the now Iudges may be of another opinion then the now Iudges are without disparagment to themselves or the now Iudges in regard that many particular circumstances in many particular cases may
Common-wealth And they say that the matter manner restrictions limitations reservations and other clauses contayned in such grants or licences and the Commissions or Proclamations thereupon and undue execution thereof and severall circumstances may make the same lawfull or unlawfull whereof they are not able to give any certayne resolution before some particular commes in judgement before them neyther are they otherwise able to answer the generall in the particulars of the said question of what in what cases how where and by whom or which of them wherein whosoever desireth further satisfaction he may please to have recourse unto the knowne cases of Monoplies Printed authorities and written Reports and unto the statute of 21. Ia. in England concerning Monopolies and the severall exceptions and limitations therein 6. To the sixt they say they can no otherwise answer then they have already in their answer to the third question for the reasons therein setforth 7. To the seventh they say that a Proclamation or act of State cannot alter the common-law and yet Proclamations are acts of his Majesties prerogative and are and alwayes have beene of great use and that the contemners of such of them as are not against the law are and by the constant practise of the Star-chamber in England have beene punished according the nature of the contempt and course of the said Court and although acts of State are not of force to bind the goods possessions or inheritance of the subject yet they have beene of great use for the setling of the estates of very many subjects in this kingdome as may appeare in the Report of the case of Irish gavelkind in Print And further to that question they cannot answer for the reasons in their answer unto the third question set forth 8. To the eight they say that they know no ordinary rule of law by which the subjects of this kingdome are made subject to Marshall-law in time of peace and that they find the use thereof in time of peace in England complayned off in the petition of right exhibited to his Majestie in the third yeare of his raigne And that they conceive the granting of authority and Commission for execution thereof is derived out of his Majesties Regall and prerogative power for suppressing of suddaine and great insolencies and insurrections among armies or multitudes of armed men lawfully or unlawfully convented together the right use wherof in all times hath beene found most necessary in this kingdome And further to that question they cannot answer for that as they conceive it doth concerne his Majesties Regall power and that the answering of the other part of the question doth properly belong to another profession whereof they have no Cognizance 9. To the ninth they say that as the taking of any Oath before any but such Iudges or persons as have power to give or demaund an Oath for decision of controversies is by most Divinâ— in most cases counted to be a rash Oath and so an offence against God within the third Commandement so the prescribing and demaunding of a set Oath by any that cannot derive power so to doe from the Crowne where the fountaine of Iustice under God doth reside is an offence against the law of the Land and as for voluntary and extra judiciall Oathes although freely taken before arbitrators or others they say as this kingdome is composed in many particulars as the nature consequence of the cause or the quality of the person who taketh or before whom the same is taken may concerne the Common-wealth or the members therof such taking of such Oathes or proceeding or grounding on such Oath in deciding of controversies according to the severall circumstances that may occurre therein or the prejudice it may introduce to the Common-wealth may be punishable by the Common-law or if it grow unto an height or generall inconvenience to the common-wealth or members thereof in the Castle-chamber For though such an Oath be voluntary yet in most cases it is received by him that doth intend to ground his Iudgment thereon and after the Oath is taken the arbitrator or he that intends to yeeld faith to the party that tooke the Oath doth examine him upon one or more questions upon the said Oath unto the answer whereof hee doth give faith and assent trusting on the said Oath And whereas Oathes by Gods institution were chiefly allowed to bee taken before lawfull Magistrates for ending of controversies yet common experience doth teach in this kingdome that oftentimes orders and acts grounded on such voluntary Oathes beget strife and suits and commonly such orders when they come to bee measured by rules of law or equitie in the Kings Courts become voyde after much expence of time and charge that we say nothing of that that thereby many causes proper to the Kings Courts are drawn ad aliud examen and thereby the Kings justice and Courts often defrauded and declined 10. To the tenth they say that they are not Iudges of rules of policie but of law and that they know no certayne rule of law concerning reducement of fines The same being matters of his Majesties own meere Grace after a man is censured for any offence And that they know no law that none shall be admitted to reducement of his fines or other penalties in the Courts in the question specified untill he confesse the fact for which he was censured But forasmuch as the admittance to a reducement after conviction for an offence is matter of Grace and not Iustice It hath beene the constant course of these Courts both here and in England for cleering of his Majesties justice where the partie will not goe about to cleere himselfe by reversall of the censure or decree not to admit him to that grace untill he hath confessed the justnesse of the sentence pronounced by the Court against him And that the rather for that commonly the ability and disabilitie of the partie doth not appeare in judgement before them but the nature and circumstances of the offence according to which they give sentence against him or them in terrorem after which when the partie shall make the weaknesse of his estate appeare or that the Court is otherwise ascerteyned that they doe of course proportion the censure or penaltie having regard to his estate 11. To the eleventh they say That neither the Iudges of the Kings Bench as they informe us that are of that Court or Iustices of Gaole delivery or of any other Court doe or can by any law they know deny the copies of Indictments of Felony or Treason to the partie only accused as by the said question is demanded 12. To the twelfth they say that where lands are holden of the King by the Knights service in Capite the tenant by the strict course of Law ought in person to doe his homage to the King and untill he hath done his homage the ancient course of the Exchequer hath beene yet is to issue
as grievances as may appeare by the petition of Remonstrance the Iudges could not be ignorant of this and do take notice of the same in their preamble My Lords In the third place no man is more unwilling to discover the nakednesse of my Fathers if any be then I am yet the question being not whether the Arke should be rescued from the Philistines but whether it should be preserved against the negligence of some Ophni and Phines in their hands that have the custodie of it Therefore I must obey and as I am Commanded I will offer unto your Lordships how the preamble and answers of the Iudges might bee sufficient and wherein they are both defective and dangerous The Iudges in the first reason of their preamble insist much upon the want of president in this kinde onely one president in the raigne of King Richard the seconds time which they pray may not be drawne into example My Lords This reason requires a more cleere explanation which wee hope shall be demaunded in due time It urgeth us to this just protestation that before the best flower in his Majesties Royall garland should wither wee shall be ready to water the same with showers of our bloud even to the last drop in his Majesties service and with our lives and substance will mantayne the just prerogative of our gracious Lord King Charles and his posteritie whom wee pray God to flourish on earth over us and ours untill all flesh bee convoked before the last great Tribunall Yet My Lords that president might be spared by the Iudges of this no more for the present I will not exasperate had they pleased more naturall presidents might be stood upon and easily found and even in that ill remembred president if the Iudges in Richard the seconds time had made direct and lawfull answers they had escaped punishment and prevented many inconveniences which ensued My Lords if presidents be necessarie of many I will enumerate a few Deutronomy cap. 17 vers. 8. Si difficile ambiguum c. Almightie God directs us the way to truth Deutronom cap. 32. vers. 7. Interroga patrem tuum c. The Romanes sent to Greece for a declaration of their lawes in causes like to happen Tit. Liv. decad. 3. fol. 45. g. Lancelotus de Ecclesiasticis Constitutionibus tit. 3. Canonum alij sunt decreta Concjliorum alij statut ' îalij dicta sanctorum Rottoman de Iure Civili tit. 4. Praetorum dicta responsa prudentum which cannot bee without questions venerable Bede lib. 1. cap. 27. S. Augustine demaunded generall questions M. Sleiden super Eadmerum fol. 171. VVilliam the Conqueror did call to the Iudges to declare and compile Edgars lawes and S. Edwards lawes which were buried and forgotten by the interruption of the Danish governement In the time of King Henr. 3. certaine knights of Ireland desired resolutions in England concerning Coparcenerie and received resolutions according to the lawes of England and this in Parliament as appeares in the statute called statut de Hiber 14. Henr. 3. in the printed Booke Ordinationes factae de statut ' terr' Hiberniae at large in the Roll of 7. Edw. 2. parte prima memb. 3. 18. Rot ' Claus. anno 2. Edw. 3. membr. 17. Rex concedit quod ad primum Parliamentum omnes Hiberni qui volueâ—int legibus utantur Angliae sine Cartis inde fiendis Rot. Claus. anno 5. Edw. 3. parte prima membr. 25. The same law in Case of wardships Ordinationes pro Regimine Hiberniae 5. Edw. 3. Pat ' membr. 25. 35. Edw. 3. parte prima memb 9. which Consilium ought to bee understood of the Parliament as hereafter I will declare Ordinatio facta de ministris Regis in Hibernia Claus. 18. Edw. 3. parte secunda memb. 9. 17. ann. 20 Edw. 3. parte prima in dorso anno 25. Edward 3. membr. 30. My Lords I have not yet learned how Sillogismes can be made or answers Cathegoricall without propositions I am as ignorant after what manner Ordinances or reformation could bee made without questions or propositions It may be objected that the word Quere or Question is new that word was nothing strange in Edward the thirds time Rot. Parliament 21. Edw. 3. num 41. The Commons in Parliament prayed that it may be inquired how it comes to passe that the King hath no benefit of his land of Ireland considering hee had more there then any of his ancestors may it not be as lawfull to inquire in this Parliament wherefore the King is in debt and yet his people here gave him more supplies then to any of his ancestors or wherefore his lawes are not observed I find no difference In the printed yeare Booke 2. Rich. 3. fol. 9. the King propounded severall questions to the Iudges in the Star-chamber in Cases not then depending Their second reason is fully answered to the first and for more cleare satisfaction the words of the writ which bring them hither are viz. to give Counsell circa ardua urgentia negotia regni the matters now in agitation are maxime ardua maxime urgentia The yeare bookes of law doe prove Provisiones Ordinationes and no cause is said to bee depending f. N. B. 32. d. 39. Edw. 3. 7. b. Thorp The Lords being assembled can make Ordinances as strong as a statute by the opinion of that Iudge such Ordinances cannot be avoyded but in Parliament an act or statute may bee avoyded or repealed in Parliament Where they say that the Questions though in number but twenty two yet they include fifty two questions that all the affaires of Church Common-wealth may bee included in the resolution thereof and that they will not bee concluded by their answers to the same My Lords the house of Commons made the questions so many as they are for the more cleare explanation of their candid intentions and not for difficultie whereas they might reduce them to fewer but to the end the answers might be the more punctuall and satisfactorie unto positive points and knowne law and the custody of the law the great treasure of the Land being committed by his Sacred Majesty to their trust to the end they should declare how and after what manner they issued and dispensed that treasure and discharged that great trust and not to bee bound by their resolutions in Parliament For Iudges are and ought to bee bound by resolutions in Parliament and not Parliaments by them To their fourth reason what succeeding ages will doe we do well hope they will not do amisse that no occasion shall bee administred hereafter which may inforce the house of Commons to propound the like questions That by reason the Kings prerogative and the concernment of his other interests they cannot answer without his Majesties especiall direction considering the duties of their places and their Oathes My Lords It is
to this positive question the answer is too generall viz the Parliament is concerned therein and so are two other Courts of Iustice and likewise the Kings prerogative is interested therein wherefore they cannot answer till the matter come in debate and be argued before them The consideration of the Court of Parliament will much conduce to the clearing of this question Co. preface to the fourth Reporte the exposition of Lawes ordinarily belongeth to the Iudges but in maximis difficillimisque causis ad supremum Parliament ' Iudicium Cooke preface to the ninth Report describes that supreame Court in this manner si vetustatem spectes est antiquissima si dignitatem est honoratissima si jurisdictionem est capacissima of this enough the learning is too manifest that it is the Supreame Court nay the primitive of all other Courts to that Court belongs the making altering or regulating of lawes and the correction of all Courts and ministers Looke upon the members of it first the King is the head who is never so great nor so strong as in Parliament where he sits insconced with the hearts of his people the second are all the Lords Spirituall Temporall the third the knights Citizens Burgesses these three doe represent the whole Common-wealth Looke upon the causes for which they are called Circa ardua urgentia negotia Regni looke upon the priviledges of it if any member or members servant thereof bee questioned or any thing ordered against him in any other Court sitting the Parliament or within forty dayes before or after all the proceedings are voyde by the lawes and statutes of this Realme The not clearing of this question is against the Kings prerogative which is never in greater splendor or Majestie then in Parliament and against the whole Common-wealth therein concerned as aforesaid the King hath foure Councels the first is commune concilium which is this Councell secondly Magnum Concilium which is the Councell of his Lords thirdly the privie Councell for matters of estate fourthly the Iudges of his law Co. institut 110. a. Then by what law or use can the inferiour of these foure Councels question the first Supreame and mother Councell I know not the state of the question considered which is of Burroughs who anciently and recently sent to the Parliament by the same law that one member may bee questioned forty eight members may bee questioned as was done in our case in one day six such dayes may take away the whole house of Commons and consequently Parliaments especially as this case was for upon the returne of the first summons foure and twenty Corporations were seized the learning therefore is new that it should rest in the discretion of the Sheriffes who might make unfaithfull returnes and of three Barons in the Exchequer who have no infallibilitie to overthrow Parliaments the best Constitutions in the world Search hath beene made in the two bookes of Entries in old Natura brevium and in all the yeare bookes that are printed there is not one president that in any time ever so badde such à Quo-warranto was brought in Co. entries 527. a à Quo-warranto was brought against Christopher Helden and others to shew cause why they claymed such a Borrough c. which is nothing to our purpose the quo-warrantoes in the question and those which were in the Exchequer did admit them Borroughs and yet required them to shew cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament this is oppositum in objecto to admit them Burgesses and to question their power to send Burgesses which were formerly both anciently and recently so admitted in Parliament Master Littleton the first booke we reade cleares this question sectione 164. There are ancient Townes called Borroughs the most ancient Townes of England all Cities were Borroughs in the beginning and from them come Burgesses to the Parliament so that in effect if an ancient Borrough ergo they sent Burgesses to the Parliament all these ancient Townes in England did remayne of Record in the Exchequer 40. ass plac 27. In Ireland they doe remayne of Record in the Parliament Rolles the tryall of them is by the Record it selfe and not otherwise If a Towne send Burgesses once or twice it is Title enough to send ever after 11. Henr. 4. 2. So if a Peere called once by writ and once sitting as a Peere Co. institut fol. 9. b. hee is a Baron ever after In the foure ordinary Courts they have priviledge for the meanest of their members or servants why not the Parliament It was the custome of the ancient grave Iudges to consult with parliaments in causes of difficultie weight a parliament was then to be at hand they did not stay to advise with them in a point which concerned the parliament so neerely and which was of the greatest weight of any cause that ever was agitated in the kingdome In our books all the entries it is true and cleare that Quo-warrantoes are brought and ought to bee brought against such as clayme priviledges Franchises Royalties or the like flowers of the Crowne but to question Burgesses in this nature is to question the Kings prerogative in an high degree priviledges take from the King parliaments adde and give unto him greatnesse and profit in parliaments he sits essentially in other Courts not altogether so but by representation what greater disservice could bee done the King then to overthrow parliaments how shall Subsidies bee granted or the kingdome defended how shall ardua Regni be considered Oh the Barons of the Exchequer I wot will salve all these doubts I may not forget My Lords how the law of the land the whole Common-wealth is herein concerned and upon that I will offer a Case or two If a statute be made wherein the private interest of a subject or the generall interest of the Common-wealth be enacted the King by his Letters-patents cannot dispence with this statute Co. 8. 29. a. Princes case though they be with à non obstaute nor make any grant Non obstante of the Common-law therefore I conclude this question First that it is against the Kings prerogative to issue such à Quo-warranto as is here stated Secondly it is against the Common-wealth as destructive of parliaments and consequently of government Thirdly this is no priviledge but a service done to the King whole Common-wealth which cannot receive so much as a debate but in parliament Fourthly all the proceedings in the Excheqver touching this parliament were Coram non judice as was already voted in both houses as for the punishment we come not to urge your Lordships to punish other then with reference to that which I said before viz. the Oath These two questions have so neere a relation the one to the other meeting in the Center of the Castle-chamber that I will speake to them at once or as to one question My Lords if that golden
and other penalty in the Castle-chamber or Councell-table untill he confesse the offence for which he is censured when as revera hee might bee innocent thereof though suborned proofes or circumstance might induce a Censure By the lawes and statutes of the Realme no man is bound or ought to be compelled to acknowledg the offence layd to his charge or the justnesse of any censure past against him in the Castle-chamber or at the Councell-table nor ought to bee detayned in prison or abridged of his liberty or the reducement of his fine stayed or delayed untill he doe acknowledge such offence or the iustnesse of such censure And it is further declared that no such inforced or wrested cōfession or acknowledgment can or ought to debarre or hinder any subject from his Bill of reversall or review of any sentence or decree past or conceived against him in the Castle-chamber or in any other Court VVhether the Iudges of the Kings-bench or any other Iudge of Gaole-delivery or of any other Court and by what law doe or can deny the Copies of indictments of felony or treason to the parties accused contrary to the law The Iudges of the Kings-bench or Iustices of Gaole-delivery or the Iudges of any other Court ought not to deny Copies of indictments of felonies or treason to the parties indicted VVhat power hath the Barons of the Court of Exchequer to rayse the respite of homage arbitrarily to what rate they please to what value they may rayse it by what law they may distinguish betweene the respite of homage upon the diversitie of the true value of the Fees when as Escuage is the same for great and small Fees and are proportionable by Parliament The Barons of the Exchequer ought not to rayse the respite of homage above the usuall rates appearing in and by the course and presidents of that Court continued untill the yeare of our Lord God 1637. and the raysing thereof since that time was arbitrary and against the law and the Barons of the Exchequer ought not to distinguish between the respite of homage upon any diversity of the true values of the knights Fees VVhether it be censurable in the subjects of this kingdome to repaire into England to appeale to his Majesty for redresse of injuries or for other lawfull occasions if so why what condition of persons and by what law The subjects of this kingdome may lawfully repayre into England to appeale to his Majesty for redresse of injuries or for other their lawful occasions for their so doing ought not to be punished or questioned upon the statute of 5. of K. Rich. the 2. nor by any other law or statute of force in this kingdome eminent officers ministers of state Commanders souldiers of his Majesties Army The Iudges and ministers of his Majesties Courts of Iustice and of his highnesse Revenue and customes whose attendance is necessary requisite by the lawes statutes of the realme only excepted VVhether Deanes or other dignitaries of Cathedrall Churches be properly and de mero jure donatiue by the King and not Elective or collative if so why and by what law and whether the Confirmation of a Deane de facto of the Bishops grant be good and vallid in law or no if not by what law Deaneries or other Ecclesiasticall dignities of this Realme are not de mero jure donative but some are donative and some elective and some are collative according to their respective foundations and the confirmation of the Bishops grant by a Deane de facto having actually stallum in Choro vocem in Capitulo together with the Chapter is good in law VVhether the issuing of Quo-warrantoes out of the Kings-bench or Exchequer against Borroughs that anciently and recently sent Burgesses to the Parliament to shew cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament be legall if not what punishment ought to be inflicted on those that are or hath beene the occasioners procurers and Iudges of and in such Quo-warrantoes The issuing of Quo-warrantoes out of the Court of Kings-bench Court of Exchequer or any other Court against Boroughs that anciently or recently sent Burgesses to the Parliament to shew cause why they sent Burgesses to the Parliament and all the proceedings therein are coram non Iudice illegal and voyde and the right of sending Burgesses to the Parliament is questionable in Parliament onely and the occasioners procurers and Iudges in such Quo-warrantoes and proceedings are punishable as in Parliament shall be thought consonant to law and Iustice By what law are Iurors that give verdict according their conscience and are the sole Iudges of the fact censured in the Castle-chamber in great fines and sometimes pillored with losse of eares boared through the tongue and marked sometimes in the forehead with a hot Iron and other like infamous punishment Iurors are the sole Iudges of the matter in fact and they ought not for giving their verdict to bee bound over to the Court of Castle-chamber by the Iudge or Iudges before whom the verdict was or shall be given By what law are men censurable in the Castle-chamber with the mutillation of members or any other brand of infamy and in what cases and what punishment in each case there is due without respect of the qualitie of the person or persons No man ought to bee censured in the Castle-chamber in the mutillation of members or any other brand of infamy otherwise or in other cases then is expressely limitted by the statutes of this Realme in such cases provided VVhether in the censures in the Castle-chamber regard be to be had to the words of the great Charter viz. Salvo Contenemento c. In the censures of the Castle-chamber especially regard ought to bee had to the words of the great Charter viz. Salvo Contenemento c. VVhether if one that steales a Sheepe or commits any other felony and after slieth the course of Iustice or lieth in woods or mountaines upon his keeping be a Traytor if not whether a proclamation can make him so A Felon who flies the course of Iustice lieth in woods mountaines or elsewhere upon his keeping is no Traytor and a proclamation cannot make him a Traytor VVhether the testimonie or evidence of Rebels Traytors protected Theeves or other infamous persons bee good evidence in law to be pressed upon the tryals of men for their lifes or whether the Iudges or Iurors ought to be Iudge of the matter in fact The testimony of convicted or protected Rebels Traytors or Fellons is no sufficient evidence in law upon the tryall of any person for his life and the credit of the testimony of persons accused or impeached and not convicted of felony or treason ought to be left to the Iury who are sole Iudges of the truth and validity of the said testimony By what law are