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A77478	A review of the seditious pamphlet lately pnblished [sic] in Holland by Dr. Bramhell, pretended Bishop of London-Derry; entitled, His faire warning against the Scots discipline. In which, his malicious and most lying reports, to the great scandall of that government, are fully and clearly refuted. As also, the Solemne League and Covenant of the three nations justified and maintained. / By Robert Baylie, minister at Glasgow, and one of the commissioners from the Church of Scotland, attending the King at the Hague.	Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.	1649 (1649)	Wing B467; Thomason E563_1; ESTC R10643	69,798	84

for the Word and Sacraments so for discipline in this all who are Christians old and late the Prelaticall and Popish party as well as others go along with us to maintain in doctrin and practise a necessity even in times of persecution that the Church must meet for the worship of God and execution of Ecclesiastick discipline among their own Members In this the doctrine and practise of the Scots is according to their setled laws uncontroverted by his Majestie If the VVarner will maintain that in reason and conscience all the Churches of the world are obliged to dissolve and never more to meet when an erroneous Magistrate by his Tyrannous Edict commands them to do so let him call up Erastus from the dead to be disciplined in this new doctrine of the Prelats impious loyalty The third Principle is that the judgment of true and false doctrine The finall determination of all Ecclesiastick causes by the Laws of Scotland is in the generall Assembly of suspension and deprivation of Ministers belongeth to the Church Ans If this be a great heresie it is to be charged as much upon the State as upon the Church for the Acts of Parliament give all this power to the Church neither did the Laws of England or of any Christian State Popish or Protestant refuse to the Church the determination of such Eccclesiastick causes some indeed do debate upon the power of appeals from the Church but in Scotland by the Law as no appeal in things civil goes higher then the Parliament so in matters Ecclesiastick none goes above the Generall Assembly Complaints indeed may go to the King and Parliament for redresse of any wrong has been done in Ecclesiastick Courts who being Custodes Religionis may by their coercive power command Ecclesiastick Courts to rectifie any wrong done by them contary to Scripture or if they persist take order with them But that two or three P●aelates should become a Court of delegates to receive appeals from a general assembly neither Law nor practice in Scotland did ever admit nor doth the word of God or any Equity require it In the Scots assemblies no causes are agitat but such as the Parliament hath agreed to be Ecclesiastick and of the Churches cognisance no process about any Church rent was ever cognosced upon in Scotland but in a civill Court it s very false that ever any Church censure much lesse the highest of excommunication did fall upon any for robbing the Church of its patrimony The divine right of discipline is the tenet of the most of Praelats Our fourth challenged principle is that we maintain Ecclesiastick jurisdiction by a divine right Ans Is this a huge crime is there divine right in the world either Papist or Protestant except a few praelatical Erastians but they doe so If the Warner will profess as it seems he must the contradiction of that which he ascribes to us his avowed tenet must be that all Ecclesiastick power flowes from the Magistrate that the Magistrate himself may execute all Church censures that all the Officers appointed by Christ for the government of his Church may be laid aside and such a kind of governors be put in their place as the Magistrate shall be pleased to appoint that the spiritual sword and Keyes of heaven belong to the Magistrate by vertue of his supremacy as wel as the temporal sword and Keyes of his earthly Kingdom our difference herefrom the Warner will not I hope be found the greatest heresie All the power of the Church in Scotland is legal and with the Magistrates consent Our last challenged principle is that we will have all our power against the Magistrate that is although he dissent Ans It is an evil commentary that all must be against the Magistrate which is done against his consent but in Scotland there is no such case for all jurisdiction which the Church there doth enjoy they have it with the consent of the Magistrate all is ratified to them by such acts of Parliament as his Maj●stie doth not at all controvert Concerning that odious case the Warner intimates whither in time of persecution when the Magistrate classheth with the Church any Ecclesiastick discipline be then to be exercised himself can better answer it then we who with the ancient Christians do think that on all hazards even of life the Church may not be dissolved but meet in dens and in the caves and in the wilderness for the word and Sacraments and keeping it self pure by the divine ordinance of Discipline Having cleered all the pernicious practises and all the wicked D●ctrines which the Warner layes upon us The Prelats rather then to lay aside their own interest will keep the King and his people in misery for ever I think it needless to insist upon these defences which he in his abundant charity brings for us but in his own way that he may with the greater advantage impugne them only I touch one passage whereupon he makes injurious exclamations that which Mr. Gilespie in his theoremes writes when the Magistrate abuses his power unto Tyranny and makes havock of all it is lawful to resist him by some extraordinary wayes and means which are not ordinarily to be allowed see the principles from which all our miseries and the loss of our Gratious Master hath flowed Ans We must here yeeld to the Warner the great equity and necessity that every doctrine of a Presbyter should be charged on the Presbytery it self and that any Presbyter teaching the lawfulness of a Parliaments defensive arms is tantamont to the Churches taking of armes against the King These smal inconsequences we must permit the Warner to swallow down without a stick however we do deny that the maxime in hand was the fountain of any of our miseries or the cause at all of the loss of our late Soveraign Did ever his Majesty or any of his advised Councellors declare it simply unlawful for a Parliament to take arms for defence in some extraordinary cases however the unhappiness of the Canterburian Praelats did put his Majesty upon these courses which did begin and promote all our miserie and to the very last these men were so wicked as to refuse the loosing of the bands which their hands had tyed about his misinformed conscience yea to this day they will not give their consent that his Majestie who now is should lay aside Episcopacy were it for the gaining of the peaceable possession of all his three Kingdoms but are urgers of him night and day to adhere to their errours upon the hazard of all the miseries that may come on his person on his family and all his people yet few of them to this day durst be so bold as to print with this Warner the unlawfulness of a Parliaments armes against the Tyranny of a Prince in any imaginable case how extraordinary soever CHAP. III. The Lawes and customes of Scotland admit of no appeal from the

general assembly IN this Chapter the challenge is that there are no appeals from the general Assembly to the King as in England from the Bishops Courts to the King in Chauncery Appeales in Scotland from a generall Assem●ly were no lesse irrational then illegall where a Commission uses to be given to delegats who discusse the appeals Ans The warner considers not the difference of the Government of the Church of Scotland from that which was in England what the Parliament is in the State that the general assembly is in the Church of Scotland both are the highest Courts in their own kinde There is no appeal any where in moderate Monarchies to the Kings person but to the King in certain legall Courts as the Warner here confesseth the appeal from Bishops lies not to the King in his person but to the King in his Court of Chancery As no man in Scotland is permitted to appeal in a civill cause from the Lords of Session much lesse from the Parliament so no man in an ecclesiastick cause is permitted by the very civil Law of Scotland to appeal from the general Assembly According to the Scots order and practice the King in person or else by his high Commissioner sits as usually in the generall Assembly as in Parliament But though it were not so yet an appeal from a generall Assembly to be discussed in a court of Delegats were unbeseeming and unreasonable the one court consisting of above two hundred all chosen men the best and most able of the Kingdom the other but of two or three often of very small either abilities or integrity who yet may be more fit to discern in an Ecclesiastick cause then a single Bishop or his Official the ordinary Trustee in all acts of Jurisdiction for the whole Dioces But the Scots way of managing Ecclesiastick causes is a great deal more just safe and Satisfactory to any rational man then that old Popish order of the English where all the spirituall Jurisdiction of the whole Dioces was in the hand of one mercenary Officiall without all relief from his Sentence except by an appeal as of old to the Pope and his Delegats so thereafter to the King though never to be cognosced upon by himself but as it was of old by two or three Delegats the weakest of all Courts often for the quality and ever for the number of the Judges The Churches ●●st severity a●●inst Mont●●mery A●●mson was ●proven by ●●e King and ●●e parties ●●mselves Two Instances are brought by the Warner to prove the Church of Scotlands stopping of appeals from the generall Assembly to the King the cases of Montgomery and Adamson if the causes and events of the named cases had been well known to the Warner as he made this chapter disproportionably short so readily be might have deleted it altogether But these men were infamous not onely in their Ministeriall charges but in their life and conversation both became so insolent that contrary to the established order of the Church and Kingdom being suborned by wicked Statesmen who in that day of darkness had well neer brought ruine both to King and Countrey would needs take upon them the Office of Arch-Bishops While the Assembly was in Process with them for their manifold and high misdeameanors the King was moved by them and their evil Patrons to shew his high displeasure against the Assemblies of the Church they for his Maj●sties satisfaction sent their Commissioners and had many conferences whereby the pride and contempt of these Prelats did so encrease that at last they drew the sentence of Excommunication upon their own heads the King after some time did acknowledge the equity of the Church proceedings and professed his contentment therewith both these unhappy men were brought to a humble confession of their crimes and such signs of repentance that both after a renunciation of their titulary Bishopricks were re-admitted to the function of the Ministry which they had deserted Never any other before or after in Scotland did appeal from the generall Assembly to the King the late Excommunicate Prelate in their declinator against the Assembly of Glasgow did not appeal as I remember to the King but to another Generall Assembly to be constitute according to their own Popish and Tyrannicall principles CHAP. IV. Faulty Ministers in Scotland are lesse exempted from punishment then any other men THe Warner in his fourth Chapter The pride of Prelats lately but never the Presbytery did exempt their fellows from punishment for their civill faults offers to prove that the Scotish Discipline doth exempt Ministers from punishment for any treason or sedition they can act in their Pulpits Answ This challenge is like the rest very false The rules of the Church Discipline in Scotland obliges Churchmen to be subject to punishment not only for every fault for which any other man is lyable to censure but ordains them to be punished for sundry things which in other men are not at all questionable and whatever is consu●able in any they appoint it to be much more so in a Minister It is very untru● that the Pulpits in Scotland are Sanctuaries for any crime much lesse for the grievous crimes of sedition and treason Let the Warner remember how short a time it is since an Episcopall Chaire or a Canonicall Co●t did priviledge in England and Ireland from all censure either of Church or State great numbers who were notoriously known to be guilty of the foulest crimes Was ever the War●●●● companion Bishop Aderton challenged for his Sodomy so long as their common Patron of Canterbury did rule the Court did the Warner never hear of a Prelate very sibb to D●ctor Bramble who to this day was never called to any account for flagrant scandals of such crimes as in Scotland are punishable by the Gallows the Warner doth not well to insist upon the Scots Clergy exempting themselves from civill punishments no where in the world are Churchmen more free of crimes deserving civill Cognisance then in Scotland and if the ears and eyes of the World may be trusted the Popish Clergy this day in Italy and Spaine are not so challengeable as the Prela●icall Divines in England and Ireland lately were for many gross● misdemeanors The Warner is injurious to the Ministers of Holland But why does the Warners anger run out so far as to the Preachers in Holland is it because he knoweth the Church D scipline in Holland to be really the same with that he oppugnes in the Scots and that all the Reformed Churches doe joyn cordially with Scotland in their rejection of Episcopacy is this a ground for him to slander our Brethren of Holland Is it charity for him a stranger to publish to the World in print that the Ministers in Holland are seditious Orators and that they saucily controll the Magistrates in their Pulpits Their crime seems to be that for the love of Christ their Master they are

Scotland when after long triall they had found all their intercessions with the King for a modern and reasonable accomodation slighted and rejected they suffered themselves to be perswaded to enter covenant with their oppressed and fainting brethren for the mantainance of the common cause of Religion and liberty but with expresse Articles for the preservation of royalty in all its just rights in his Majestie and his posterity what unkindnes was here in the Scots to their King When by Gods blessing on the Scots helpe the opposite faction was fully subdued his Majestie left Oxford with a purpose for London The Scots selling of the King is a most false calumnie but by the severity of the ordinances against his receivers he diverted towards Linn to ship for Holland or France where by the way fearing a discovery and surprise he was necessitate to cast himselfe upon the Scots army at New-wark upon his promise to give satisfaction to the propositions of both Kingdomes he was received there and came with them to New-castle here his old oaths to adhaere unto Episcopacy hindred him to give the expected satisfaction At that time the prime leaders of the English army were seeking with all earnestnes occasion to fall upon the Scots much out of heart and reputation by Iames Grahame and his Irishes incursions most unhappy for the Kings affaires Scotland at that time was so full of divisions that if the King had gone thither they were in an evident hazard of a present war both within among themselfs and without from England our friends in the English Parliament whom we did and had reason to trust assured us that our taking the King with us to Scotland was the keeping of the Sectarian Army on foot for the wrack of the King of Scotland of the Presbyterian party in England as the sending of his Majestie to one of his houses neer London upon the faith of the Parliament of England was the onely way to get the Sectaryes disarmed the King and the people settled in a peace upon such tearmes as should be satisfactory both to the King and the Scots and all the wel-affected in England This being the true case was it any either unjustice unkindnes or imprudence in the Scots to leave the King with his Parliment of England was this a selling of him to his enemyes the monys the Scots received at their departure out of England had no relation at all to the King they were scarce the sixth parte of the arreares due to them for bygon service they were but the one halfe of the sum capitulat for not only without any reference to the King but by an act of the English Parliament excluding expresly from that Treaty of the armies departure all consideration of the disposall of the Kings person The unexpected evills that followed in the Armyes rebellion in their seasing on London destroying the Parliament murthering the King no mortall eye could have forseen The Scots were ever ready to the utmost of their power to have prevented all these mischiefes with the hazard of what was dearest to them notwithstanding of all the hard measure they had often received both from the King and the most of their friends in England That they did not in time and unanimously stur to purpose for these ends they are to answer it to God who were the true Authors the innocency of the Church is cleered in the following treatise Among the many causes of these miseries the prime fountaine was the venome of Episcopall principles which some serpents constantly did infuse by their speaches and letters in the cares and heart of the King ●o keep him off from giving that satisfaction to his good subjects which they found most necessary and due the very same cause which ties up this day the hands of covenanters from redressing all present misorders could they have the King to joyne with them in their covenant to quit his unhappy Bishops to lay aside his formall and dead Liturgie to cast himselfe upon the counsels of his Parliaments it were easy to prophecie what quickly would become of all his enemies but so long as Episcopall and malignant agents compasseth him about though al that comes neer may see him as lovely hopefull and promising a prince for all naturall endowements as this day breaths in Europe or for a long time has swayed a Scepter in Britaine yet while such unlucky birds nest in his Cabin and men so ungraciously principled doe daily besiege him what can his good people doe but sit downe with mournfull eyes and bleeding hearts till the Lord amend these otherwise remediles and insuperable evils but I hold here lest I transgresse to farr the bounds of an Epistle Th●●eason off ●he dedication I count it an advantage to have you Lordship my judge in what here and in my following treatise I speak of Religion the liberties of our country and the Royall Family I know none fitter then your Lordship both to discerne and decerne in all these matters Me thinks I may say it without flattery which I never much loved either in my self or others that among all our Nobles for constancy in a zealous profession for exemplary practise in publick and privat duties the mercie of God has given to your Lordship a reputation second to none And for a rigid adhaerence to the Rights and Priviledges of your Country according to that auncient disposition of your Noble Family noted in our Historians especially that Prince of them George Buchanan the Tutor of your Grand-Father I know none in our Land who will pretend to go before you and for the affaires of the King your interest of blood in the Royall Family is so well known that it would be a strange impudency in me if in your audience I durst be bold wittingly to give finistrous information Praying to God that what in the candid ingenuity and true zeale of my spirit I present under your Lordships patrociny unto the eye of the World for the vindication of my mother Church and Country from the Sicophantick accusations of a Stigmatised incendiary may produce the intended effects I rest your Lordships in all Christian duty R. B. G. Hague this 28 May 7 June 1649. CHAP. I. The Prelaticall faction continue resolute that the King and all His People shall perish rather then the Prelats not restored to former places of Power for to set up Popery Profanity and Tyranny in all the three Kingdoms WHile the Commissioners of the Church and Kingdom of Scotland The unseasonablenesse of D. Brambles writing were on their way make their first addresses to his Majesty for to condole his most lamentable afflictions and to make offer of their best affections and services for his comfort in this time of his great distresse it was the wisdom and charity of the Prelaticall party to send out Doctor Bramble to meet them with his Faire Warning For what else but to discourage them in in the very

of the Commanders to whom the managing of that great trust should be committed for after the right stating of the War the next would be the carying on of it by such men who had given constant proof of their integrity To put all the power of the Kingdom in their hand whose by-past miscariages had given just occasion to suspect their designes and firmness to the interest of God before their own or any other mans would fill the hearts of the people with jealousies and fears and how wholsome an advice this was experience hath now too clearly demonstrated To make the world know our further resolutions to meddle with civill affaires the Warner is pleased to bring out against us above 80 years old stories and all the stuff which our malicious enemy Spotswood can furnish to him from this good Author he alledges that our Church discharged Merchants to traffique with Spaine and commanded the Change of the market-dayes in Edenburgh Ans Both these calumnies are taken off at length in the Historical Vindication After the Spanish Invasion in the year 88 many in Scotland kept correspondence with Spaine for treacherous designs the Inquisitors did seduce some and persecute others of our Merchants in their traffique the Church did deale with his Majesty to intercede with the Spanish King for more liberty to our Countrey men in their trading and in the mean time while an answer was returned from Madril they advertized the people to be wary how they hazarded their souls for any worldly gaine which they could find about the Inquisitors feet The Church me●led not with the Munday Mar●et bu● by way of supplication in Parliament As for the Market days I grant it was a great grief to the Church to see the Sabbath day profaned by handy labor and journeying by occasion of the Munday-markets in the most of the great Towns for remedy hereof many supplications have been made by the Assembly to the Parliament but so long as our Bishops sate there these petitions of the Church were alwaies eluded for the Prelates labor in the whole Island was to have the sunday no Sabbath and to procure by their Doctrine and example the profanation of that day by all sorts of playes to the end people might be brought back to their old licentiousness and ignorance by which the Episcopall Kingdom was advanced It was visible in Scotland that the most eminent Bishops were usual players on the Sabbath even in time of divine Service And so soon as they were cast out of the Parliament the Churches supplications were granted and acts obtained for the carefull sanctification of the Lords day and removing of the Markets in all the Land from the Munday to other days of the week The Church once for safty of the infant Kings life with the concurrence of the cret Counsel did call an extraordinary meeting The Warners next challenge of our usurpation is the Assembly at Edenburgh 1567 their ratifying of Acts of Parliament and summoning of all the Countrey to appeare at the next Assembly Ans If the Warner had known the History of that time he would have chosen rathet to have omitted this challenge then to have proclaimed to the world the great rottenness of his own heart At that time the condition of the Church and Kingdom of Scotland was lamentable the Queen was declared for Popery King James his Father was cruelly without any cause murthered by the Earl of Bothwel King James himself in his infancy was very neare to have been destroyed by the murtherer of his Father there was no other way conceivable of safety for Religion for the Infant King for the Kingdom but that the Protestants should joyn together for the defence of King James against these Popish murtherers For this end the general Assembly did crave conference of the secret Counsel and they with mutual advice did call for a meeting of the whole Protestant Party which did convene at the time appointed most frequently in an extraordinary and mixed assembly of al the considerable persons of the Religion Earls Lords Barons Gentlemen Burgesses and Ministers and subscribed a bond for the revenge of King Henries death and the defence of King James his life This mixed and extraordinary Assembly made it one of the chiefe Articles in their bond to defend these Acts of the Parliament 1560. concerning Religion and to endeavour the ratification of them in the next ensuing Parliament As for the Assemblies letter to their Brethren for so frequent a meetting at the next extraordinary Assembly it had the Authority of the secret Counsel it was in a time of the greatest necessity when the Religion and liberties of the land were in evident hazard from the potent and wicked counsels of the Popish Party both at home and abroad when the life of the young King was dayly in visible danger from the hands of them who had murthered his Father and ravished his Mother Lesse could not have been done in such a juncture of time by men of wisdom and courage who had any love to their Religion King and Countrey but the resolution of our Prelates is to the contrary when a most wicked villain had obtained the connivance of a Queen to kill her husband and to make way for the killing of her Son in his Cradle and after these murders to draw a Nation and Church from the true Religion established by Law into Popery and a free Kingdom to an illegal Tyranny in this case there may be no meeting either of Church or State to provide remedies against such extraordinary mischiefs Beleeve it the Scots were never of this opinion What is subjoyned to the next Paragraph of our Churches presumption to abolish Acts of Parliament By the laws customs of Scotland the assembly procedes the Parliament in the ●fo●mation of Ecclesiastical abuses is but a repetition of what is spoken before Not only the laws of Scotland but equity and necessity refers the ordinary Reformation of errors and abuses in Religion to the Ecclesiasticall Assemblies what they find wrong in the Church though ratified by acts of Parliament they rectifie it from the word of God and thereafter by Petition obtaines their rectification to be ratified in a following Parliament and all former Acts to the contrary to be annulled This is the ordinary Method of proceeding in Scotland and as I take it in all other States and Kingdoms Were Christians of old hindred to leave Paganisme and embrace the Gospel till the Emperial Laws for Paganisme and against Christianity were revoked did the Oecumenical and Nationall Synods of the Ancients stay their reformation of heresies and corruptions in Religion till the laws of State which did countenance these errors were cancelled Was not Popery in Germany France and Britaine so firmly established as Civill Laws could do it It seems the Warner here doth joyn with his brother Issachar to proclaim all our Reformers in Britaine France and Germany to be Rebels

King of his Tythes first Fruits Patronage and Dependence of his Subjects Ans The Warner understands not what he writes The Kings Majesty in Scotland never had never craved any First fruits The Church never spoiled the King of any Tithes some other men indeed by the wickedness most of Prelates and their followers did cozen both the King and the Church of many Tythes but his Majesty and the Church had never any controversie in Scotland about the Tythes for the King so far as concerned himsef was ever willing that the Church should enjoy that which the very Act of Parliament acknowledgeth to be her patrimony Nor for the patronages had the Church any plea with the King the Church declared often their mind of the iniquity of patronages wherein they never had from the King any considerable opposition but from the Nobility and Gentry the opposition was so great that for peace sake the Church was content to let patronages alone till God should make a Parliament lay to heart what was incumbent for gracious men to do for liberating Congregations from their slavery of having Ministers intruded upon them by the violence of Patrons Which now at last blessed be God according to our mind is performed As for the dependence of any vassalls upon the King it was never questioned by any Presbyterian in S otla d. K. James avowes himself a hat●● of E●●stian●sm What is added in the rest of the Chapter is but a repetition of that which went before to wit the Presbyters denying to the King the spirituall Government of the Church and the power of the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven such an usurpation upon the Church King James declared under his hand as at length may be se●n in the Historicall vindication to be a sin against the Father Son and Holy Ghost which puts in the hand of the Magistrate the power of Preaching and celebrating the Sacraments a power which since that time no Magistrate in Britaine did assume and if any would have claimed it none would have more opposed then the most zealous Patrons of Episcopacy The injurious invectives which the Warner builds upon this his Erastian assertion we pass them as Castles in their ayr which must fall and evanish for want of a foundation Only before I leave this Chapter let the Warner take a good Sentence out of the mouth of that wise Prince King James to testifie yet farther his mind against Erastianisme His Majestie in the year 1617 having come in progress to visit his ancient Kingdom of Scotland and being present in person at a publick disputation in Theologie in the University of St. Andrews whereof also many both Nobles and Church-men of both Kingdoms were auditors when one of those that acted a part in the disputation had affirmed and went about to maintaine this Assertion that the King had power to depose Ministers from their Ministeriall function The King himself as abhorring such flattery cried out with a loud voice Ego possum deponere Ministri caput sed non possum deponere ejus officium CHAP. VII The Presbytery doth not draw from the Magistrate any part of his power by the cheat of any relation IN the seventh Chapter The Presbytery cognosceth only upon scandals and that in fewer civill things then Bishops courts were wont to meddle with the Warner would cause men believe many more of the Presbyteries usurpations upon the Civil Magistrate The first is that all offences whatsoever are cognoscible in the Consistory upon the case of scandal Ans First the Presbytery makes no offence at all to come before the Consistory but Scandall alone Secondly these civil offences the scandall whereof comes before the Presbytery are but very few and a great deal fewer then the Bishops Official takes notice of in his Consistorial Court That capitall crimes past over by the Magistrate should be censured by the Church no society of Christians who have any discipline did ever call in question When the sword of the Magistrate hath spared a Murderer an Adulterer a Blasphemer will any ingenuous either Prelaticall or Popish Divine admit of such to the holy Table without signs of Repentance The Warners second usurpation is but a branch of the first that the Presbytery draws directly before it self the cognisance of fraud in bargaining false measures oppression and in the case of Ministers bribing usury fighting perjury c. Ans Is it then the Warners mind that the notorious slander of such grosse sins does not deserve so much as an Ecclesiasticall rebuke Shall such persons without admonition be admitted to the holy Communion Secondly the named cases of fraud in bargaining false measures oppression come so rarely before our Church-judicatories that though this thirty years I have been much conversant in Presbyteries yet did I never see nor doe I remember that ever I heard any of these three cases brought before any Church Assembly In the person of Ministers I grant these faults which the Canons of the Church in all times and places make the causes of deprivation are cognosced upon in Presbyteries but with the good liking I am sure of all both Papists and Prelates who themselves are free of such vices And why did not the Warner put in among the causes of Church-mens deprivation from Office and Benefice Adultery gluttony and Drunkenness Are these in his c. which he will not have cognoscible by the Church in the persons of Bishops and Doctors The Warners third challenge amounts to an high crime that Presbyterian Ministers are bold to preach upon these Scriptures which speak of the Magistrates duty in his Office or dare offer to resolve from Scripture any doubt which perplexeth the conscience of Magistrates or People of Husband or Wife of Master or Servant in the discharge of their Christian duty one to another What ever hath bin the negligence of the Bishop of Derry yet I am sure all the preaching Prelates and Doctors of England pretended a great care to goe about these uncontroverted parts of their Ministeriall Function and yet without medling with the Mysteries of State or the depths of any mans particular vocation much less with the judgment of jurisdiction in Political or Aeconomical causes The Ch●rc●es p●oceedings in t●e late engagement ●leered from mist●kes As for the Churches declaration against the Late engagement did it not well become them to signifie their judgment in so great a case of conscience especially when the Parliament did propone it to them for resolution and when they found a conjunction driven on with a clearly Malignant Party contrary to solemn oathes and covenants unto the evident hazard of Religion and them who had been most eminent instruments of its preservation was it not the Churches duty to give warning against that sin and to exhort the ring-leaders therein to repentance But our Warner must needs insist upon that unhappy engagement and fasten great blame upon the Church for giving any advice

of Jealousie no man did question but all who were to have the managing of that war should be free of all just causes of Jealousie which could be made appear not to half a dozen of Ministers but to any competent judicatory according to the laws of the Kingdom The Warner hath not been careful to inform himself where the knot of the difference lay and so gives out his own groundless conjectures for true Historical narrations which he might easily have helped by a more attentive reading of our publick Declarations The second fault he finds with our Church is that they proclaim in print their dis-satisfaction with that ingagement It is one of the liberties of the Church of Scotland to publish declarations as favourable to the malignant Party c. Ans The Warner knows not that it is one of the liberties of the Church of Scotland established by law and long custom to keep the people by publick Declarations in their duty to God when men are like to draw them away to sin according to that of Esay 8. v. 12 13. What in great humility piety and wisdom was spoken to the world in the declaration of the Church concerning that undertaking was visible enough for the time to any who were not peremptory to follow their own ways and the lamentable event since hath opened the eyes of many who before would not see to acknowledge their former erors but if God should speak never so loud from heaven the Warner and his Party will stop their ears for they are men of such gallant Spirits as scorn to submit either to God or men but in a Roman constancy they will be ever the same though their counsels and ways be found never so palpably pernicious The third thing the Warner lays to the charge of our Church is The leavy was never off red to be stopped by the Church that they retarded the leavies Ans In this also the Warner shews his ignorance or malice for how sore soever the leavy as then stated and mannaged was against the hearts of the Church yet their opposition to it was so cold-rife and smal that no complaint needs be made of any retardment from them So soon as the Commanders thought it expedient there was an Army gotten up so numerous and strong that with the ordinary blessing of God was abundantly able to have done all the professed service but where the aversion of the hearts of the Church and the want of their prayers is superciliously contemned what marvell that the strongest arm of flesh be quickly broken in pieces The Church was not the cause of the gathering at Mauchlin-Moor The fourth Charge is most calumnious That the Church gathered the Country together in Arms at Mauchlin-Moor to expose the Expedition Ans No Church-man was the cause of that meeting a number of Yeomen being frighted from their houses did fly away to that corner of the Land that they might not be forced against their conscience to go as Souldiers to England while their number did grow and they did abide in a Body for the security of their persons upon a sudden a part of the Army came upon them some Ministers being near by occasion of the Communion at Mauchlin the day before were good Instruments with the people to go away in peace And when the matter was tryed to the bottom by the most Eagle-eyed of the Parliament nothing could be found contrary to the Ministers Protestation that they were no ways the cause of the peoples convening or fighting at Mauchlin The Assembly is helpful and not hurtful to the Parliament The paralel that the Warner makes betwixt the general Assembly and Parliament is malicious in all its parts For the first though the one Court be Civil and the other Spiritual yet the Presbyterians lay the Authority of both upon a divine Foundation that for conscience sake the Courts Civil must be obeyed in all their lawful Commands as well as the Assemblies of the Church God being the Author of the politick Order as well as the Ecclesiastick and the revenger of the contempt of the one as well as the other But what doth the Warner mean to mock at Ministers for carrying themselves as the Embassadors of Christ for judging according to the rule of Scripture for caring for life eternal Is he become so shamefully impious as to perswade Ministers to give over the care of life eternal to lay aside the holy Scripture and deny their embassage from Jesus Christ Behold what Spirit leads our Prelates while they jeer the World out of all Rel●gion and chase away Ministers from Christ from Scripture from eternal Life Of the second part of the Paralel That people are more ready to obey their Ministers then their Magistrates what shall be made All the power which Ministers have with the people is builded on their love to God and Religion how much soever it is a good Statesman will not envy it for he knows that God and Conscience constrain Ministers to employ all the power they have with the people to the good of the Magistrate as the Deputy and Servant of God for the peoples true good The Warner here understands best his own meaning while he scoffs at Ministers for their threatning of men with hells fire Are our Prelates come to such open Proclamations of their Atheism as to print their desires to banish out of the hearts of people all fear not only of Church-Censures but even of hell it self Whither may not Satan drive at last the Instruments of his Kingdom The third part of the Paralel consists of a number of unjust and false Imputations before particularly refuted What he subjoyns of the power of the general Assembly to name Committees to sit in the Intervals of Assemblies The appointment of Committees is a right of every Court as well Ecclesiastick as Civil it is but a poor Charge Is it not the dayly practise of the Parliaments of Scotland to nominate their Committees of State for the Intervals of Parliament Is it not one inherent right to every Court to name some of their number to cognosce upon things within their own sphere at what ever times the Court it self finds expedient however the Judicatories of the Church by the Laws of the Kingdom being authorized to meet when themselves think fit both ordinarily and pro renata their power of appointing Committees for their own Affairs was never questioned and truly these Committees in the times of our late troubles when many were lying in wait to disturb both Church and State have been forced to meet oftner then otherwise any of their Members did desire whose diversion from their particular Charges though for attendance on the publick is joyned with so great fashery and expence that with all their heart they could be glad to decline it if fear of detriment to the Church made not these meetings very necessary CHAP. XI The Presbytery is no burden to