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A27361	A iustification of The city remonstrance and its vindication, or, An answer to a book written by Mr. J.P. entituled, The city remonstrance remonstrated wherein the frequent falsifyings of the said Mr. J.P. are discovered, the many charges by him laid upon the remonstrance and its vindicator, disproved, and the parity and agreement of the remonstrance ... with the propositions, declarations, remonstrances, and votes, of both or either House of Parliament manifested / by John Bellamie.	Bellamie, John, d. 1654.; Price, John, Citizen of London. City remonstrance remonstrated.	1646 (1646)	Wing B1814; ESTC R4476	42,384	58

transcribe my very words where I told you that by the three Estates I meant as all the Laws and Records of the Kingdome expresse it and as all men unquestionably have hitherto concluded it and as the truth in it selfe is the King the Lords and the Commons Your second Querie is What I meane by Fundamentall and then you tell the Reader that I say the King the Lords and Commons are the three Estates of which the Fundamentall constitution of the Kingdome is made up It 's true I did and doe say so still and you say little to contradict it onely you aske another question which how wise a one it is I desire the Reader to observe for I must not judge viz. are there three Fundamentalls and you propose it as if I had said or imply'd so much and then you tell the Reader you ever thought there had been but one and in this I agree with you but herein is our difference which you and I must leave to the judgement of the reader to determine I say this one Fundamental constitution of the Kingd●m is the three Estates of the King Lords and Commons and this I still abide by but you say this one Fundamentall is the Commons and that for two Reasons 1. Bec●use the Commons made the King and the King made the Lords and so the Commons are the prime ●ound●tion 2. B●cause both the King and the Lords were adv●nced for the benefit quiet and welfare of the Commons and not the Commons made for them And you say if you are deceived the common Maxime of Salus populi suprema Lex deceived you Answ. First the frame of the Government of this Kingdome by the admired wisdom of the Architects and Contrivers thereof is so composed of these three Estates as may best preserve the whole and keep either of those Estates from any such exorbitancy as might destroy the other for as they are the three Estates in Parliament I humbly conc●ive there is no subordination of the one to the other but a co-ordination of them all three together by which the Princes Soveraignty and the peoples freedome and liberty are together preserved and maintained and herein is that common Maxime of Salus populi suprema Lex chiefly made good Secondly the legislative Power of this Kingdom is not in any one Estate distinct but in al the three Estates conjunct yea the very root and essence of this Legislative Power is compounded and as it were mixed together in the three Estates of King Lords and Commons and these three concurrent Estates producing one supreme Act as con-con-Cause ca●not have a subordination among themselves it not being imaginable how a power can cause the supreme effect and yet be subordinate thus the very being of our Common and Statute Lawes prove this truth for they are not composed nor enacted by any one of the three Estates divisim but they are established by the sole authority of the three Estates conjunctin every act being enacted by the Kings most excellent Majesty and by the authority of the Lords and C●mmons assembled in Parliament Thirdly I must needs dissent from you in that you say that both the King and the Lords were advanced for the bene●●t quiet and welfare of the Commons if your meaning bee as indeed by your words it seems to be exclusive excluding therein the benefit quiet and welfare of the King and the Lords for I conceive the benefi● quiet and welfare of the whole viz. King Lords and Comm●ns was equally and alike intended in the Fundamentall constitution of the Kingdom and so the Commons were as well made for the King as the King for the Commons yea the King and the Lords and the Commons were all alike made for the benefit quiet and welfare each of others and so of the whole together and this is that which in my minde maketh the Constitution of this Kingdome in this state of a limited and mixed Monarchy farre to surpasse the Constitution of any other Kingdome that I know and I think that in a good sense it may truly bee said of the severall members of this thus constituted Po●itique body of this Kingdome as the Apostle 1 Cor. 12. 21. speakes of the members of the naturall body the eye c●nnot s●y to the b●nd I have no need of thee nor again the ●ead to the feet I have no need of you for as every member in the naturall body is by God there set and placed not alone for its owne good but for the welfare of the whole and accordingly it acts and is serviceable therein for the good of the whole yea such a naturall necessity there is in the body of every member that not any one member can be wanting but the body is thereby defective and so the eye cannot say to the ●and I have no need of thee nor againe the head to the feet I h●v● no need of you So in the body Politique of this Common-wealth by the ancient and excellent Constitution thereof the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons are so set and placed that in their severall stations they should not act alone for their owne particular but for the Common and Publike good and welfare of the whole yea I humbly conceive that to the upholding continuance of this so excellent a Constitution there is such a Politique necessity of every one of the three Estates in this Commonwealth for the preservation of the whole that the King cannot say to the Commons I have no need of you nor againe the Commons to the King I have no need of thee nor yet the King and the Commons to the Lords we have no need of you For if any one Estate in this b●dy Politique be cut off the whole constitution is presently destroyed and when I seriously consider how by the Fundamentall Constitution of this Kingdom there is such care taken for the preservation of the Soveraignty of the King and yet withall such provision made for the just Liberties and freedome of the people and how the one may be justly allayed and yet consist without impeachment of the other I cannot but conceive it to be unparalleld for true policy in the whole world and thus much in answer to your two first Q●eries Your third Querie is whether the King and suppose the major part of the Lord whi●h m●ke up two Estates do● agree tog●ther suppose it be to set up absolute prerogative and the Commons will not assent hereunto whether the majo● part of the Estates must not conclude the minor the two conclude the third and so as for the Common will they nill they sl●●es they must be and slaves they shall be Answ. To the making of a Law there must bee the concurrent consent of all the three Estates viz. King Lords and Commons the King and the Lords without the consent of the Commons can make no Law valid and in that case the major part of the Estate● doe not

you put this question seriously to your own soul whether the same act done in the same kind by Mr. Edwards against the Independents c. be a vice and blame worthy and y●t being done by Mr. J. P. against a Presbyterian or a Remonstrant be a vertue and worthy commendation think seriously of it and then receive such an answer as your owne heart shall dictate to you You know Mr. J. P. how carefull I was of your good name when about four mone●hs since a report was brought unto mee c●ncerning some opinions of yours in matters of Religion whether true or false I now argue not that presently by a godly intimate friend of yours and mine viz. Mr. James Russell I did privately without the least divulging them abroad make you acquainted with it And that very morning after your Book came forth against me the like report was again publikely brought unto mee in the presence of sundry witnesses but in s●ead of taking revenge of you which God ha●th forbidden me Rom. 12. 19. saying Avenge not your selves but rather give place unto wrath for it is written Vengeance is mine I will rep●y saith the Lord either by spreading them by reports or printing them to your d●sparagement I did p●esently in the presence of Mr. James Story who also heard them reported tell them to you remembring that of Solomon Prov. 1. 9. He that repeateth a matter separateth very Friends and desiring to follow our Saviours counsell Matth. 7. 12. Whatsoever you would that men should do to you doe yee even so to them and I hope I shall ever make it a rule for me to walk by viz. to doe as I would be done unto and not as I am dealt with And therefore in the examination and answering of your Book I will though much provoked by you yet by Gods grace indevour to be as free from pasiion or retaliation as possibly I can well remembring that David when Shimei cursed and railed upon him observed much good from God in Shimei his great evill and said So let him curse because the Lord hath said unto him curse David who shall then say wherefore hast thou done so 2 Sam. 16. 10. So I heartily desire without the least reluctancy of Spirit against you as the instrument seriously to observe and truly to bee sensible of whatever is from God in all that you have said and to lay my selfe in the dust in giving God the glory both in the acknowledging of any error justly charged upon mee and of his mercy in my recovery And I trust that through the goodness of God I shall yet get much good out of that which perhaps you int●nded and therefore divulged for mor● evill setting before me as a pattern in this to walke by the practice of our Lord Christ recorded for our example in 1 Pet. 2. 21 23. Who when hee was reviled reviled not againe but committed himselfe to him that judgeth righteously and with freedome of spirit I do heartily both praise the Lord and thanke you for your plaine deali●g with mee in any thing wherein as you professe you really and singly intended my spiritua●● good and pray the Lord to give you repentance and to pardon you in every thing wherein in this transaction you have done otherwise Thus with the reall dem●nstration of ●y true love and affection to you I crave your leave to goe on to the answearing of your Book earnestly desiring that if yet after all wee cannot agree in judgement and opinion we may still close together in heart and affection which whatever the event shall prove shall alwayes bee the desire prayer and endeavour of Your cordially loving and faithfull Friend Iohn Bellamie A IVSTIFICATION OF THE City Remonstrance AND ITS VINDICATION THE first thing you quarrell withall is the Title of the Book A Vindic●tion c. and this you continue to the latter end of your sixth Page and as in the Moderate Reply so here in this you endeavour in generall termes to lay low the Remonstrance and its Vindication in the eyes of the people As in your first page by comparing them to a bad Cause and its Advocates then to the Kings Declarations R●monstrances and their Abettors to Absaloms reb●llion again●● his Father David and Achitophels cunning counsell to draw the pe●ple ●fter hi● to Demetrius his plea for Diana's greatnesse and to Tertullu● 〈◊〉 against St. Paul Ans● ●●e passe by the parallel● which here you make with the Vindicator of the City Remonstrance and leave it wholly to the 〈…〉 ●ensure of the judicious Reader whether there be any the least par●ty in the things and cases by you compared for I had much rather abide their test and tryall then in this to bee a pleader of my own cause and so I come to your application of it in these words Viz. As it was in the beginning so it is now witnesse the present case A moderate Reply to the City Remonstrance in just●fication of the Parliaments innocencie from the prejudice raised against them by the said Remonstrance as say you shall bee fully evidenced before we have d●ne Answ. Two things I observe in this first that you say and therein you lay a charge upon the City that the City Remonstrance hath raiseda prejudice against the Parliaments innocency And secondly you further say that this shall bee fully evidenced before you have done the first is exprest as usually you use to doe onely in generals which amount to nothing But I pray consider with your selfe is not Mr. I. P. a Freeman and Citizen of London one who lives under God in and by the Trad● of the City and yet so farre to forget himselfe and his duty as thus to asperse the City and its actions with generall and yet unjust defamations and all this under a specious shew of a justification of the Parliaments innocency when as there are clouds of witnesses and many of them under the Parliaments own attestation at all times ready to bee produced if required of Londons fidelity of Londons loyalty of Londons unparallel'd embowelling and in a great measure emptying themselves not onely of treasure but of blood also and all this unweariedly from time to time since the Parliament first fate to this very day yea alwayes with alacrity and freedome both of heart● and hands for the honour the defence the just and necessary occasions of Parliament and hath not the Honourable Ho●se of Lords 〈◊〉 accepted and fully approved most of the particulars in the said Remonstrance yea those in speciall and by name which you so much oppose viz. the suppressing of all Heresies and S●●ismes c. and promised to take the other particulars into their serious and speedy consid●ration as by their answer to that Remonstrance presented to them it doth appeare and hath not the Honourable House of Commons also received the said Remonstrance and promised to give an answer thereunto in due time and not at any time since its

for it is by the Remonstrants in their second page cited as a Noble resolution of this Honourable House for the due observation of the Covenant and their expectation of the conformity of the people of England thereunto 〈◊〉 in that Declaration and it is by 〈◊〉 in the tenth page 〈◊〉 my Vindication quoted as a justification of the Remonstrants who to answer the expectation of the House of Commons manifested in that Declaration in these words viz. Wee do● expect that the people of England should not receive impressi●●s of any forced co●struction of that Cov●nant doe professe that they doe resolve by the grace of God not to receive impressions of any forced construction thereof But what is this one Declaration to that the Replyer saith that it is notoriously known that the Parliament did promise a gracious respect to tender Conscience● in many severall De●larations or what i● it to that which you doe say viz. Wer● I as well furnished with Books as your selfe doubtlesse I cou●d shew you s●verall other D●clarations where they promise a Christian respect to tender C●ns●iences Then you goe on and say I am so●ry Mr. Bellamie you sh●uld bee so apt now adayes to cast out of your memorie the praise ●orthy Acts ●f the Parliament Answ. I le say no more in 〈…〉 Replyer or your selfe but that I would desire you not to take it 〈◊〉 because I remember not that which yet 〈…〉 so notoriously known and that which you say were I well furnished with bookes doubtlesse I could shew 〈…〉 is whil● neither hee nor you can or at 〈…〉 instance of any other 〈…〉 in●reat you at present to fo●beare your sorrow and for aftertimes not to be so censori●us as to charge me to be so apt now a dayes 〈…〉 Parliament 〈…〉 I shall be as ready to 〈…〉 without any ground charges mee to be so apt now a dayes to cast them out of my memory In your 16 page you thus goe on speaking to me viz. In the next place you begin with an interrogation as if you had gotten a Com●ission to ins●'t thus What is Londons care to keep the Covenant now become Lond●ns ruine c. Doubtlesse these are Doctrines of a new date and neare a kin to those new Lights which so many now ad●yes d●e so much bo●st of And th●n you say Whither now Mr. Bellamy I professe my ●eart akes and my hand trembles shall I write or shall I forbeare I passed by your sc●ffing at new Lights once b●fore at pag. 10. and tooke no notice of it but I meet with it againe yea with an additionall scoffe Doctrines of a new d●te and new Lights c. Answ. When I resolved to indevour the Vindication of the City Remonstrance I resolved with my selfe that I should mee● with oppositions and therefore desired so to carry on the worke● as not willingly to let a phrase fall from me that might justly give any cause of offence and to that end my care was to weigh words as well as matter well knowing that sweet and pleasing langu●ge with solid reason and st●ong a●guments best conduce to the carrying on of a controversie I confesse that as in p. 10. so here I use the word new Lights and Doct●ines of a new date but whether in the least appearance as a scoffe or a jeere I freely leave to the Reader both to examine and censure for as scoffing and jeering are farre from my disposition so I can safely say they were as farre in this from my intention I desire the Reader to take a survey of the passages immediately preceding these expressions as they are transcribed out of the Moderate Reply and judge whether I had not just cause to speake what ever is there spoken the expressions are these viz. That the Remonstrants doe discourage the Parliament and that they presse them in all haste unto a sudden enfeebling of their strength by crushing a considerable party of as cordiall friends as ever they had since the W●rs began And that because they will not sweare a submission unto that Church-government whic● say you neither they nor your selves ye● understand and to make so ill a requitall of their Winters w●rke And then againe Shall the whole Kingdome that was almost re●dy 〈◊〉 all its Quarters to congratulate with London for all its love now throw by these thoughts and with sad ●earts and pale faces t●ll their wives and children friends and neighbours W●e and alasse London will ruine 〈◊〉 London begins to decline the Parliament London begins to clos● with the King London is fill'd with Malignant language London remonstrates to the Parliaments prejudice Londons City is Englands woe Now I pray consider whether these so many so foule and yet withall so false charges shall bee laid against London and that for their performance of what by Covenant they are sworne unto doth not justly occasion these interrogations and let the Reader judge whether my using of them gave you any cause to say that I begin with them as if I had a Commission to insult and whether from these and my calling them Doctrines of a new date wch whether they be so or no the Reader will easily discerne And my saying that they are neare akin to those new Lights which so many now adayes doe so much boast of which I therefore did because they which doe now adayes so much boast of their new Lights are the persons which doe thus calumniate London for this their Remonstrance and are the prime men which vilifie the Covenant as in sundry particular instances in my Vindication I made it good I say pray consider and let the Reader judge whether all or any of these things gave you any just occasion thus to rake up as you have done reports against mee whether true or false and to publish them to the whole World as in your 1617 18 19 20 21 pages of your Book and so almost al along to the end you have thus done leaving the argument in difference between us and falling upon some personall things which you say have been reported to you concerning my carriage in matters of Religion I le come to the particulars first you tell the Reader the place of my birth and that I was borne a Son of the Church of England under Episcopacy Truly if this bee a fault or e●rour I conceive Mr. I. P. will not deny himselfe to bee guilty of the same crime Then you come to the manner of my breeding the time of my comming to London and my being bound an Apprentice to Mr. Nicholas Bourne Citizen and Stationer of London and you tell the Reader how my carriage was for the time of my Apprentiship which you are pleased thus to expresse Exercising such strictnesse and exactnesse in keeping and preserving that rich jewell of a quiet and tender conscience c. Answ. What is this either to the City Remonstrance or to my Vindication thereof these are the things now in