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A07805	The encounter against M. Parsons, by a revievv of his last sober reckoning, and his exceptions vrged in the treatise of his mitigation. Wherein moreouer is inserted: 1. A confession of some Romanists, both concerning the particular falsifications of principall Romanists, as namely, Bellarmine, Suarez, and others: as also concerning the generall fraude of that curch, in corrupting of authors. 2. A confutation of slaunders, which Bellarmine vrged against Protestants. 3. A performance of the challenge, which Mr. Parsons made, for the examining of sixtie Fathers, cited by Coccius for proofe of Purgatorie ... 4. A censure of a late pamphlet, intituled, The patterne of a Protestant, by one once termed the moderate answerer. 5. An handling of his question of mentall equiuocation (after his boldnesse with the L. Cooke) vpon occasion of the most memorable, and feyned Yorkeshire case of equiuocating; and of his raging against D. Kings sermon. Published by authoritie	Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659.	1610 (1610)	STC 18183; ESTC S112913	342,598	466

their Barkley in lib. 3. cont Monarchom cap. 2. I let passe diuers such particular persons and chuse rather to obserue his want of dutie or els of abilitie in answering for his headfather the Pope M. PARSONS his notable Omissiens in forsaking the necessarie defence of Popes §. IV. 18 The Oration of Pope Xistus Quintus is famous for commending Iacob Clemens who was the murtherer of Henry 3. King of France and for that cause was that Pope propounded as the Patron and indeed paterne of all rebellious Doctors Which doctrine was likewise obiected to the Moderate Answerer but he very moderatly forbare euen to taste or touch it After him M. Parsons the Mitigator beheld the vgly spectacle and swallowed this whole Camell Now at length he commeth in with a new Reckoning but doth not reckon for this his grandfathers debt Boucher also was brought in by Barkley lib. 6. contr Monarchom c. 28. pag. 536. commending the act and reioycing thereat whom the foresaid Barkley doth therefore condemne pag. 535. 539. of treason for patronizing that fact and by doctrine perswading men thereunto 19 There came in also a Canonist who reported the periurie of Pope Gregory 12. whom M. Parsons suffered to die in debt neuer opening his mouth to free him either à toto or à tanto After this the Bull of Pope Paulus 3. against Hen. 8. and another of Pius Quintus against Q. Elizabeth were heard bellowing out a Fulnesse of Apostolicall authoritie for the rooting out of Nations and of Kingdomes according vnto that of Hier. 1. Behold I haue appointed thee ouer Nations to root them vp and to destroy them Which Papall exposition of that text was an impudent glosing M. Parsons can say nothing but that it was spoken by allusion vnto that text of Ieremy which poore ragge can not possibly couer so great a shame for the text of Ieremy was expresly cited in their Bulles for confirmation of their authority by way of interpretation accordingly as their Carerius lib. 1. depotestate Papae had done But it was confuted by the true and proper expositions of Lyra who said that the Prophet Ieremie did not destroy but only denounce they should be destroyed By S. Gregorie who noteth not destruction by fighting but only by preaching But especially by S. Bernard lib. 2. de Consid. ad Eugen. reprouing the Pope for the abuse of this place by turning the spirituall and ministertall rooting out of sinners into a Temporall dominion Heere M. Parsons imitated the AEgyptian dogs Lambunt fugiunt they vsed to lap a little at the riuer Nilus and forth with to run away and all for feare of a Crocodile So heere the Mitigatour tooke a bite but spying Lyra Gregorie and Bernard make against the Popes and perceiuing that his Answer of Allusion was but an Illusion he speedily tooke his course another way 20 For further demonstration of the noueltie and impietie of the Papall claime in temporall affaires for the refusing of Emperours and deposing of Kings from their Soueraignty there was produced the example of Christ who thought his temporall Dominion superfluous for him as Bellarmine confessed then the example of the Apostles who were subiect vnto Heathenish Emperours after that the examples of All Christians for the first two hundred yeares who albeit sometime they had equall force yet they professed subiection vnto temporall Magistrates whereby the doctrine of Christians became glorious as Tolossanus confessed And vnto these were added the answerable Testimonies of Tertullian Cyprian Nazian Athanas. Ambrose Basil Gregory Heere the maine question of Allegeance was handled and prooued from Antiquity heere if euer the Pope did need his helpe But such was the desperatenesse of the cause that M. Parsons would not come off not with so much as a bare-faced groat in part of paiment Finally their Sanders intruded himselfe ' auouching the Donation of Constantine wherin all the kingdomes of the Western world were said to haue beene conferred by the Empetour Constantine vpon Pope Syluester Anno. 300. and vnto him Carerius assented and all for the magnifying of the Papall iurisdiction in temporall things Which other of their Doctors did thus far confute as to grant that The most ancient Histories Authors of best credit and such as did purposely record the Acts of Constantine did not make mention of that Donation So Canus loc Theol. lib. 1. cap. 5. Which Pope Pius Secundus did count to be a counterfeit Donation so Balbus lib. de Coronat seeing that Pope Boniface 9. Anno. 1400. was the first that challenged the Donation of the City of Rome saith the same Balbus Adde we heereunto how Carerius pretended that the Emperor must necessarily haue the Popes Confirmation which dealing their Lupoldus and Balbus both Bishops did prooue to be most false I supposed if his ability had been answerable to his charity he would not haue suffered Iesuits Priests and Popes to languish vnder these Arrests yet all this while we heare not of our friend the Moderate Answerer Will M. Parsons neglect him also The Omissions of M. Parsons in neglecting his peculiar Client the Moderate Answerer leauing him in the conuiction of many foule errours and slanders §. V. 21 This Moderate Answerer is the man that writ against the booke of Discouery of Romish Positions and Practises of rebellion whom therefore M. Parsons hath particularly commended for one who acquitted himselfe learnedly So that this man might seeme to haue a peculiar interest in M. Parsons his partonage Shall we now trie how he is often left in the lurch to shift for himselfe I may not insist in all points yet some few I may not omit 22 The Moderate Answerer answered for his Catholikes in generall that they taught not A power simply ouer Kings in temporall affaires which was prooued to be a singular falshood out of their Bozius and especially out of Carerius who challenged the Common consent of Canonists and Diuines to the contrary He vnder the names of two or three Authors pretended that their Doctors Defended not violent deposing of Kings who are in their opinion Heretikes which is a most prodigall vntruth and so prooued to be by the testimonies of their Moderne Doctors such as were Rainolds Parsons Alen Coster Bellarmine and others He propounded a Canon teaching that No Clerks may take armes neither by their owne nor by the Popes authority as though any such Canon were now in force which was prooued to be a loose ouerlashing by their Rainolds Alan and by Sanders He in the name of all Romanists did teach that they Allow Magistrates who are Protestants to be as competent Iudges in all temporall causes in as ample maner as if they were of their owne Religion before whom iudging according vnto law they may not equiuocate Wherein he was contradicted by Rainolds who absolutely denied that Protestants haue

said he did condemne the nature of men depriuing them of Free-will and ascribing the originall and beginning of sinne vnto the nature of man and not vnto his Free-will yet hath hee obserued that Caluine teacheth that man in his first creaticn had Free-will whereby in his integrity he might if he would haue attained vnto eternall life This contradiction in this point is no more then this to charge Caluine with that which he did not beleeue Is not this singular falshood And yet behold a more notable then this Mr. PARSONS his Reckoning and charge of folly WHerunto I answere if it be more notable in folly then this or else in fraude it is notabler indeede For to accuse a man to hold that which he holdeth not is no contradiction but 〈◊〉 false accusation nor alwayes falshood for it might haue beene errour And this for the folly The Reuiew 23. Wisely forsooth M. Parsons Bellarmine is supposed to haue written knowingly what was the opinion of the Manichees concerning Free-will and as knowingly to haue acknowledged the contrary opinion of Caluine and yet notwithstanding did he ascribe vnto Caluine that opinion of the Manichees Can this but imply a contradiction But you say this might haue beene by him not in falshood but vpon errour so any thing wherein you haue charged mee with falshood might haue proceeded onely from errour Is not this a rare point of wisedome so to excuse and free Bellarmine from falshood as that your owne Accusations of falshood shall be of no force Where is the Folly now But now to the fraude M. PARSONS his Reckoning and charge of fraude CAluine graunting free will to haue beene in man before the fall and lost after the first sinne of Adam may concurre with the Manichees in this that after the fal of Adam as now we liue we haue free-wil and so doth Card. Bellarm. take him and proue out of his works This then is an egregious fraude and chiefly to delude in this place his Reader with ambiguity of different times The Manichees taught that man after Adams fall had no free-will as both S. Hierome and S. Augustine doe testifie in the sentence of Mr. Morton here set downe though craftily he couered their names and Bellarmine proueth Caluine to hold the same out of his owne wordes and workes What answereth M. Morton Caluine saith he is confessed by Bellarmine to graunt free will in man before the sall of Adam in his first creation Yea but the question is after the fall The Reuiewe demonstrating the Slaunder 24. What is this Do those Fathers speake os Free-will after Adams fall Eyther M. Parsons vnderstandeth not Bellarmine or else Bellarmine vnderstood not those Fathers sor I am sure they spake of the Manichees denying free-will in mans first creation First S. Augustine writing of this heresie of the Manichees who taught that there were two first causes of mans nature God the Authour of the good part and an cuill Spirite Authour of the euill part of mans nature and so Peccatorum originem non libero arbitrio voluntatis sed substantiae tribuūt gentis aduersae quā dogmatizantes esse hominibus mixtam omnem carnem non Dei sed malae mentis perhibent esse opificium c. That is They ascribed the originall cause of sinne not vnto the free-will of man but to the substance of an aducrse and contrary Nation which they taught to be mixed in man telling vs that all flesh is not the workemanshippe of God but of an euill Ghost Heete is a manisest mention of the nature of man in his first workemanship and an exposition of the 〈◊〉 of the Manichees ascribing the beginning of Euill not vnto the free-will of the created nature but vnto the eternall cuill Creator which was the Authour of that euill 25. So likewise Saint Hierome in the place alleadged It was saith he the Doctrine of the Manichees to condemne the nature of man to take away free-will and also the helpe of God What he futhermore meaneth by condemning the nature of man wherein they acknowledge no free-will he sheweth where he condemneth the Manichees for saying that There was two created natures of man one of the children of perdition the other of the good ones But if as they say the children of perditiō were of most wicked nature how is it said that that is found which first was lost how is the prodigall child said to haue beene lost except first he had beene in some safe estate All this concerneth Free-will in the first creation If you did not see this Mr. Parsons when you imputed Fraud vnto me you haue erred if you did see thus much and yet would besprincle me with note of Fraude then you cannot auoid the shame of a calumniator vnder any pretence of error but I must pardon you for this is but a peece of your occupation Which that it may be more euident you proceede Mr. PARSONS his Reckoning ANother fraud though somewhat lesse perhaps then the former was that in setting downe the charge of Bellarmine against Caluine he recounteth the same as in Bellarmines own words which are the words of S. Hierome and S. Augustine And why thinke you did Mr. Morton conceale these two Fathers names the causes are euident first least the deniall of Free-will defended by Protestants should be pronounced Heresie by two so graue Fathers the second for that it would haue marred his sleight of thinking that there was ment Free-will in respect of the first nature of man The Reueiwe confuting M. Parsons and his fellowes by the confessed sentences of Fathers 26. Bellarmine alleadging the former sentence out of the Fathers to wit The Manichees condemned the nature of man denying freedome of will did adde of his owne which was the Doctrine of Caluine The former I graunted for a truth according to their proper sense but Bellarmine his application of that heresie vnto Caluine I cordemned and that iustly for a slaunder All the Iniuirie which I did was not vnto Bellarmine or vnto you M. Parsons but vnto my owne cause to wit euen because I did not alledge the sentence in the names of those Fathers whereby the lauishnesse of the slaunder might haue beene made more manifest as from the Testimonies of those Fathers hath beene already proued 27. And for a more perfect conuiction both of Mr. Parsons and his Client it will not be impertinent to set downe the confession of their owne Iesuite Maldonate Many Fathers saith he by the substance which the Prodigall child lost Luc. 15. did vnderstand Free-will as Saint Augustine Bede he might haue added Saint Hierome Euthimius and Saint Bernard So Maldonate who disliking these speeches faineth an exposition of his owne but the sentences of these Fathers doe grant a losse of Freewill by Adams fall And how ordinarie is that sentence of Saint Augustine Man by abusing his Free-will lost both

Sa thus Sa addeth vnto his sentence forte potiori ratione non admittunt that is Perhaps this latter opinion is the better Which word perhaps Mr. Morton craftily lest out The Reuiew 35. I beseech thee good Reader stand attent and doe M. Parsons right and iustice and let not me escape vntill I haue satisfied Thou hast heard the first Accusation is of craft for omitting the word perhaps in translating the sentence of the Iesuit Sà viz. fortè potiore ratione which M. Parsons hath I must needes say truely rendred into English thus Perhaps with better reason I likewise confesse that in my translation of those wordes I vsed not the word perhaps for I rendred them thus Peraduenture with better reason which translation I expresly then set down both in my booke of Full Satisfact Part. 1 cap. 27. pag. 86. and in my last Preamb. pag. 86. about the 24. lin which M. Parsons also hath alleaged in his margent where it is Englished thus Although others doe not admit this manner of answering and peraduenture with better reason Which M. Parsons himselfe was not ignorant of for in the 275. page of this his Reckoning about the 30. line he acknowledgeth that I deliuered the wordes thus Others doe admit this reason and that peraduenture with better reason If it shall please any reader who can but spell English to examine these places he shall finde them so as I haue now alleaged How then can M. Parsons escape the accusation of a crafty and malicious accuser will he say that in translation perhaps and peraduenture are different and not sinonimically and significantly the same So may he deserue to be reckoned among the wise men of Gotham who could not see wood for trees or to shake the fellow by the hand who said that pepper is hot in operation but cold in working I should call this manner of dealing of M. Parsons monstrous but that it is ordinary as we haue proued and will now further manifest M. PARSONS his Reckoning and second Charge against his Aduersarie THat which Emanuel Sa spake of a particular case before a Iudge incompetent he taketh vniuersally against all AEquiuocation without exception Which Mr. Morton could not choose but know to be a fraude for that in the next lines Eman. Sa doth resolue two other cases wherein a man may AEquiuocate The Reuiew 36. Here he saith that I haue taken Sà as speaking vniuersally against all AEquiuocation and yet knew that our whole dispute is by vs both restrained only vnto mentall AEquiuocation which is euident by the very place Preamb. pag. 86 mentioning expresly Mentall AEquiuocation Therefore this accusation of excepting against all AEquiuocation is a witting except he had not haue me rather call it a witlesse falsity Secondly I deliuered that sentence of Sà out of the testimony of my Aduersary the Moderate Answerer as M. Parsons himselfe knoweth and confesseth if therefore there were an errour why doth M. Parsons let his owne companion escape and runne vpon me for his debt who neuer vndertooke to be surety for so loose a fellow as that man is to promise for him that he would not deale falsly His reason is because I could not saith he but know this to be a fraude If it were a fraude more shame for the Moderator but if it be no fraude what shame will it be for our sober Reckoner who euen in saying that I could not but haue read Sà bewrayeth his lauish presumption because probably I might haue rested vpon so plaine and sufficient a testimony of that my Aduersary 37. Notwithstanding I may not deny but that I did reade Sà in the place cited Tit. de mendacio where the case is thus put If a man demaund the whole debt whereas thou owest him only a part thou maist deny that thou owest him viz. so much as he demaundeth Weigh the sense of the wordes themselues and the ambiguity and we shall easily discerne that that which they call Equiuocation is not only in the secret reseruation of the minde but sufficiently implied in the outward speech it selfe so that the hearer may collect out of the wordes the secret sense and so it is a verball Equiuocation and not Mentall Nay when one asketh the whole debt and I denie that I owe it him who is there almost but will vnderstād that in that speech is signified that owe not that whole debt which is demaunded Neither doth the iudgment of Sà in other cases differ from the former opinion of Azorius by whom the Mentall Equiuocation as it is described by M. Parsons hath beene condemned for a lye Only Sà deliuereth his iudgement with a fortè or peraduenture I cry you mercy M. Parsons I should haue said perhaps and Azorius doth resoluedly shew that your doctrine of Equiuocation is concluded in a lying case But I demaund whether M. Parsons will stand to the iudgment of their Iesuit Sà or no Mr. PARSONS his Reckoning INdeede in the last edition of his booke at Rome An. 1607. his whole last sentence was left out as though he had changed his opinion The Reuiew 38. Or rather that your booke-gelders haue changed his writings according vnto your new professed occupation in corrupting of your owne Authours whensoeuer they chance to say any thing which soundeth preiudiciall to your cause which caused your owne Doctor to complaine and that not without some indignation that none can be suffered to write freely among you but forthwith as it happened saith he vnto Card. Bellarmine himselfe he is compelled to recant it or else such thinges are blotted out of their bookes c. Which bookish massacre being so generally practized God knoweth how fatall it may proue The like to that of Sà wil probably befall one day vnto your Iesuit Azorius who holdeth the same with Sà yet without all perhaps determinately and so the bookes being changed it must happen in processe of time that these allegations which we now vse out of him will be noted for lying slanders euen as I haue beene already dealt withall by M. Parsons about the testimony of Polydore when he charged me with falshood in citing him out of his old Editions which they themselues haue professedly and publikely altered and indeede corrupted Can such dealing stand with tearmes of common honesty But M. Parsons will lay some accusations against me for he hath vowed that I may not escape Mr. PARSONS his Reckoning HE citeth the foresaid authority of Eman. Sa alleaged out of his Moderate Answerer for a shadow dissembling that he had looked vpon the Authour but could not doe this hansomely enough for he doth egregiously abuse his foresaid aduersary by making him seeme to deduce out of that particular case an absolute deniall of all Equiuocation making him to conclude thus that all Catholikes doe not allow of Equiuocation But Mr. Morton let me pose you here Is it true that

any man reade the booke and chap of Barclay and he will woonder at the impudencie of this vaunter for he speaketh no one word of gathering Councels or comparison of spirituall authoritie between the Pope and Emperour concerning their gathering of Councels or Synods but of a quite different subiect of taking armes by subiects against their lawful temporall Princes And what will our Minister then answer to this manifest calumniation so apparently conuinced out of Doctor Barcley The Reuiew 12 The Minister will answer that M. Parsons was scarse sober when he called either my allegation a calumniation or his answer a conuiction for in that place of Full Satisfact part 3. chap. 10. pag. 27. I did not produce the testimonie of Barkley for the point of Gathering of Councels but for the generall matter of Temporall subiection due vnto Emperours by all persons Which Argument Barkley prosecureth at large in the place alleged being lib. 6. cap. 26. pag. 521. confuring the common answer which is vsed by the Romanists which is this that Although Christ and Iohn Baptist and other Apostles did not teach that wicked Kings ought to be remoued in the first plantation of the Church among Infidels yet afterwards this was the doctrine when Kings should become noursing Fathers Their owne Barkley in the sentence which was alleged confuteth that thus This ought to be vnto vs saith he a weightie argument to know that neither any of the holy Fathers or any orthodoxall Writer for the space of a full thousand yeers and more although the Church did abound with troups of armed souldiers and the number of tyrants was great is red to haue taught any such thing either in word or writing Adding concerning the times of Emperours which professed Christ although heretically Why did not then those excellent Pastors and Fathers excite the people against Valens Valentinian the yonger Heraclius and other wicked Princes 13 Who yet againe in his late booke Depotestate Pontificis writing professedly against Bellarmine by whom the Pope is held to haue a supreme power Indirectly in temporall causes doth cap. 34. argue thus The Pope hath not now greater power ouer temporall Princes than he had before he was a temporall Prince but before he was a temporall Prince he had no temporall authoritie any way ouer Kings therefore now he hath no such power any way ouer them This Confession of their Barkley must needs choake the Romish vsurpation By which my Reader may obserue the impotencie I forbeare to quit him with his owne word of impudencie of this calumniation and his notable falshood in dissembling the opinion of Barkley Now we come to Card. Bellarmine M. PARSONS his Reckoning He vseth heere afarre greater immodestie or rather perfidie in mine opinion The Reuiew 14 These are fearefull termes Will you stand to them Let vs then trie your exceptions which concerne first words and then matter but first let vs examine the materials the summe whereof followeth The summe of M. PARSONS Reckoning The drift of Bellarmine is wholly against M. Mortons assertion for that he denieth that euen the Emperour had any spirituall authority for calling of Councels but onely that they could not well in those dayes be made without them and that for foure seuerall causes The first because the old Imperiall lawes made by the Gentiles were then in vse whereby all great meetings of people were forbidden for feare of sedition except by the Emperours knowledge and licence The second because the Emperors being then Lords of the whole world the Councels could not be made in any city without their leaue The third for that the Councels being made in those dayes by publike charges and contributions of cities and especially of Christian Emperours themselues it was necessarie to haue their consent and approbation in so publike an action And the fourth and last cause for that in those dayes albeit the Bishop of Rome were head in spirituall matters ouer the Emperours themselues yet in temporall affaires he did subiect himself vnto them as hauing no temporall state of his owne and therefore acknowledging them to be temporall Lords he did make supplication vnto them to command Synods to be gathered by their authoritie and licence But since those times saith Bellarmine Omnes iste causae mutatae sunt All those causes were changed The Pope himselfe being now a temporall all Lord also as other Kings and Princes are which was brought to passe saith he by Gods prouidence that he might haue more freedome and libertie to exercise his Pastorship The Reuiew 15 This relation of M. Parsons is very true and my drift was only to shew how that Popes were anciently subiect in temporall matters which is Bellarmins flat assertion wherein then haue I abused his meaning M. PARSONS Reckoning Let vs consider the varietie of sleights and shifts which this our Minister hathvsed first hauing said that generall Councels were not gathered without the Emperours cost he addeth presently of his owne and with their consent which is not in the Latine The Reuiew 16 I will not trouble M. Parsons his patience with any quittance of like language although I am often prouoked therunto by his rigid and vnconscionable taxations whereof this must needs be one For the Latine words of Bellarm. are these Non poterant aliquid facere inuito Imperatore that is They viz. the Popes could doe nothing without the Emperours consent Yet this deuout olde man feareth not to say that I added these words of mine owne albeit he himselfe confesseth the necessitie that then was to haue the Emperours consent This is my kinde Reckoner But let him proceed M. PARSONS his Reckoning Then he cutteth off the cause of the Popes subiecting themselues in those daies touching the temporality which was because they had no temporall state of their owne The Reuiew 17 I alwaies thought it lawfull for mee to make vse of an Aduersaries confessed conclusion such as this is Popes were formerly subiect vnto Emperours without the expressing of his causes especially seeing that the causes whatsoeuer they were are likewise confessed to haue beene since changed Was little Dauid to blame for cutting off Goliah his head with Goliahs his owne sword because he did not first tell what mettall was in it and who was the maker thereof Ridiculous And as fond is his next exception M. PARSONS Reckoning Bellarmine said that Popes made supplication to the Emperors to command Synods to be gathered which T. M. translateth that they would gather Synods as though Bellarmine did affirme that Empersrs had right to doe it The Reuiew 18 As though Emperors may not bee said to doe that which they commanded to be done Iosuah commanded the Tribes of Israel to be assembled and yet it is written that He assembled the Tribes of Israel Or as though the Emperors had not right to doe that which the Pope did by Supplication intreat him to doe

Iudge for contumacy in not appearing which is a different thing from obstinacy or pertinacy and this whether he be an Hereticke or Catholike And he defineth contumacy to be nothing else but a certaine disobedience whereby he is not obeied that sitteth in iudgement and putting down two sorts of contumacies either manifest or by presumption manifest if a man being cited doth refuse openly to appeare or obey the Iudge by Presumption when he is presumed to be contumacious and so may excommunication if it be a spirituall court proceed against him as if contumacy were manifest Is Master Morton so simple in Diuinity as not to discerne betweene Contumax and Pertinax whereof the one is a disobediency towards Superiours the other is a tenacity of opinion as hath beene defined The Reuiew 23 If M. Parsons would be so equal as to allow me that which hee in his owne defence hath alleaged and pretended for himselfe which is the excuse of lapse of memory concerning tearmes then can I not be inexcusable herein because at that time I could not see the booke of Sayer And although euery Pertinax bee not a Contumax yet euery Contumax is Pertinax If I had dealt with Sayer as their Iesuite Suarez is confessed to haue done with a testimony of Aquinas when in stead of preordination he put in Subordination which are flat contrary then might it well haue become M. Parsons to call it according to this Reckoning The most faithlesse deceit and corruption that euer any honest man put to paper against an Aduersary For this change of termes doth fully contradict the Authors meaning which he did because the word of Aquinas would haue ouerthrowen his whole cause 24 But if we take the testimony of Sayer which M. Parsons will acknowledge to be truely his it will sufficiently prooue the principall matter which I then intended which was especially to know in what case Protestants may be thought to stand by the principles of Sayr and whether they may not lie vnder the Romish excommunication and so be made liable to their cruell censures before any publike and parsonall praemonition by name Shall we heare Sayer discoursing vpon the nature of excommunication There is an excommunication saith he of man and an other of law in excommunication by man the party inobedient must first be admonished but in excommunication by the law it is sufficient that the admonition be generall which is made of him who is the Author of the law whereupon it hapneth that he who offendeth against the admonition of the law doth thereby fall presently into excommunication There are certaine cases wherein the personall citation and admonition is not necessary to wit when it is not giuen against any particular person but generally which is when it is giuen for future offences such as are all the censures which are giuen by law for that the law doth alwaies admonish lest that any commit a crime which it forbiddeth in which case there is not any other admonition necessary Againe When a man hath beene often mooued to repentance seeing that now his contumacy is manifest he may without any further admonition be excommunicated Let then these rules be but applied against Protestants whom they call Heretikes and what shal wee need more for the knowledge of Sayr his iudgement concerning the cause it selfe M. Parsons would rather haue pondered the matter than canuassed words if he had not beene stronger in raging than in reasoning CHAP. IIII. Conteining an Answer to other three charges §. I. The twentith charge concerning the point of Equiuocation according the iudgement of Cicero M. PARSONS his Reckoning FRom Christians and Country-men hee passeth to Heathens and committeth such notorious falshoods against one of them euen then and there where he speaketh of faithfull dealing against perfidiousnesse as may tustly make any man admire what hee did suppose his iudicious Reader would thinke of him when hee should see the fraud disclosed The Reuiew 1 I doubt that you will play the part of some Heathen rather than of a Christian before you dispatch this peece of Reckoning The Storie was thus deliuered There was a man saith Maister Morton who together with nine other prisoners beeing dismissed out of the prison of Carthage vpon his oth that hee within a prefixed time should returne againe as soone as he was out of prison hee returned as though he haed forgotten something and by and by departeth home to Rome where he staied beyond the time appointed and answered that hee was freed from his oth But see now the opinion of his owne Countriman Cicero concerning this Equiuocation of returne This was not well done saith Tully for that craft in an oth doth not lessen but make the periury more heinous Wherefore the graue Senators of Rome sent this cousening mate backe again to the prison of Haniball their enemie from whom he had escaped c. This example of sincerity in that Heathenish Rome I obiected against the now Christian Rome to confute the ordinarie doctrine and practise of Equiuocating The exceptions which M. Parsons taketh are partly for the method partly for the meaning of Cicero M. PARSONS his Reckoning Marke then the deportment of this man in this one point and if you knew him not before learne to know him by this First then I would haue some Grammar-scholar that studieth Tullies offices to turne to the places here quoted and comparing them with that which this Minister setteth downe in English consider how they hang together and how hee picketh out one sentence in one place and another in another and leapeth forth and backe to make some coherence of speech contrarie to the Authors order sense and method as is ridiculous to behold and fit for the cousening mate of whom he talketh in his text The Reuiew 2 I did thinke that M. Parsons could not haue so soone forgot his grosse absurdity in syllogizing which I commended vnto the examination of his Scholars wherof he hath beene so much ashamed as that being charged for changing the Copula which in the Maior was Maketh the Iudges competent into Are competent Iudges in the conclusion which was the great blot and losse of his whole game Therfore I presumed that hee would bee wary in calling young Scholars any more to witnesse betweene vs. The place is knowne in Tullie his offic lib. 3. it beginneth at Sic decem c. and endeth at Ad Hannibalem ducerentur If I haue mis-reported the substance of the Storie or made any excursion out of the due compasse thereof then let his Scholar-boies for I desire not to trouble men with these triflings hold mee worthy of his taxation As for the calling of the place Carthage which Tully nameth Castra quorum erant potiti Poeni that is The campe which the Carthaginians did hold and wherein the man was kept prisoner it cannot helpe or hinder the point of Equiuocating Now come wee

was this Seeing that that and other Canons teach that the Pope cannot be iudged except he be found to erre infaith Ergo the Pope may erre in faith or otherwise such Canons should be in vaine hee vseth two answers but as though the sirst were too feeble Secondly I say saith hee that such Canons doe not meane that a Pope may erre euen as he is a priuate person but only that the Pope cannot be iudged And because it is not altogether certaine whether the Pope may be an heretike or no therefore for more cautelousnesse they added that clause Nisi haereticus extiterit that is except he be an heretike By this it appeareth that Bellarmine will not thinke that any Pope can be an heretike either as he is Pope or as he is a priuate man 10 Concerning Honorius Bellarmine in the clause of the same sentence which M. Parsons hath alleaged held it for probable that Honorius was not an heretike in whose defence he bestoweth a large Chapter wherein he is so bolde as to say that the foresaid Councell was deceiued in iudging that Honorius was guiltie of heresie Could M. Parsons be ignorant of this 11 By this time wee may discouer a strange mysterie of strong delusion which I shall first shew in a mirror Cambyses King of Persia being so farretransported with vnnaturall lust as to desire to marrie his owne sister demanded first of his Councellers whether such a match were warrantable by the law of the Persians they return him this answer There is no Persian law which will allow you such a marriage but yet we finde say they a law which doth licence the K. of Persia to doe what he list So some Romish Authours likewise although they say that a Pope being an beretike may be deposed yet haue they also taught that the Pope can not be an heretike which is all one as to thinke that as Pope he may not be iudged an heretike and if not iudged then how shall he be deposed For if hee shall happen to teach an heresie seeing that we may not belecue that he can be an heretik let him teach what he list he may not be suspected of heresie if not suspected then not iudged or condemned and then consequently not deposed for heresie which is our maine Consequence And for a further confutation I adde as followeth That their position concerning Deposing a Pope is but a cunning delusion §. III. 12 Bellarmine doth consider two capacities in the Pope the first is in respect of his Temporall Princedome the other in respect of his Spirituall Pastourship and Popedome Concerning his Temporall state The Pope as other Princes saith Bellarmine may ackno wledge no superiour in Temporall matters but in examining the Spirituall Iurisdiction We say saith he answering in the name of the rest that the Pope can not be iudged vpon earth by any Prince Christian whether he be Temporall or Ecclesiasticall no nor yet by all assembled together in a generall Councell meaning that he can not be deposed coàctiuely Be it that this is spoken in respect of matter of fact and not offaith yet when supposing that a Pope may be an heretike we shall demand how a Pope may be deposed what will our Aduersaries answer For either must the Pope relinquish his Popedome together with his Temporall Princedome voluntarily or els by violence but not voluntarily because Obstinacie that iron sinew being a propertie of heresie the Pope will not voluntarily remoue especially out of so rich a Chaire Neither may he be remoued violently and by coactiue force For what Romish Author will iustifie violence in deposing a Pope by any example and yet diuers Popes haue been heretikes yea euen as Popes 13 From these premises our Christian Reader may vnderstand first the trueth of my former assertion to wit that the Romish Doctors beleeue that The Pope as Pope can not be an heretike Secondly the vanity of M. Parsons his obiection that being heretikes they may be deposed seeing that they must not beleeue that any Pope can be a pertinacious heretike Thirdly the necessitie of my consequence vz. They that holde that the Pope can not be an heretike must grant that he can not be deposed for heresie And lastly the disparitie betweene the state of Kings and Popes issuing from the former considerations because thus Kings shall by this doctrine be deposed for heresie but Popes may not And what a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and gulfe of difference do they furthermore make betweene these two states whilest as they iustifie the examples of diuers Popes in deposing of many Emperours not for heresie but for other causes and yet denie that the Pope may be deposed Although he should do any thing preiudiciall to the vniuersall state of the Church as their Carerius taught or Although as their Iesuite Azorius spake hee should neglect Ecclesiasticall Canons and peruert the lawes of Kings or Although as it is in Gratian he should carie infinite multitude of soules headlong with him into hell And now wee see the height of Papall prerogatiue and therein the depth of Antichristian tyrannie CHAP. VI. Conteining a briefe Censure vpon a late little Pamphlet intituled A PATERNE OF A PROTESTANT which was written by a namelesse Libeller 1 IT is now almost foure yeeres since my Booke of Ful Satisfaction was published in answer vnto the Moderate Answerer in all which time I heard nothing of this fellow who Endymion like seemed vnto mee to haue slept a drowsie sleepe yet now at length hee beginneth to rowze himselfe and to tell vs his dreame of a Paterne of a Protestant or as though some man had serued a Latitat vpon him because he had formerly betraied his Romish cause Therefore he holding it a shame at least not to saie something he commeth in clamorously with a scurrilous libell which the wise Reader will discerne to haue been penned rather for the vexation of his aduersary than in any hope of the reparation of his broken cause To whom first I make this answer viz. that I owe him no answer That there is no Answer due vnto this namelesse libeller euen by the doctrine of the Romanists themselues §. I. 2 CArdinall Bellarmine censuring a Venetian Doctor who printed a booke without prefixing his name before it telleth him that The Councell of Trent Sess. 4. doth exact vpon paine of excommunication that no bookes concerning Diuine matters be printed without the Authors name and the Approbationof the Ordinary both set downe in the title page of the booke But this Libeller doth not affoord vs so much as the least letter of his name and therefore ought he first to seeke an absolution for his contempt against their Churches order before that he can iustly expect of me an Answer to his calumnious Pamphlet Againe the same Cardinall elswhere noteth that Author sinè nomine est sinè

that he citeth himselfe but receiued it of some others c. He hath taken in hand Bellarmine to picke out matter out of him that might seeme to beare some shew of vntrueth but hath been able to finde no one as we haue made it plaiue in the third chapter Thirdly the Reckoning being now made vp and especially in our last three precedent chapters he had obiected against him foureteen falshoods which he chose to answer but could not and then twice foureteen which he willingly pretermitted and lastly a number of new lies vttered in discharge of the former The Reuiew 2 I stand in the same protestation still against all wilfull transgression And to the first I answer that I neuer heard before that the citing of testimonies vpon credit could be named Insinceritie the examples of which maner of dealing are infinite euen in our Aduersaries themselues whereof one example doth euen now offer it selfe from Cardinall Baronius He writing of the maner of the martyrdom of Zoticus complained that he was wrong informed by one that writ letters vnto him Testifying that he had found them in the Acts of Zoticus but afterwards reading the Acts my selfe saith Baronius I fouud no such matter in them And so likewise both Bellarmine and Boucher haue been by their owne friends noted to haue offended in this kinde Neither yet were the escapes wherein M. Parsons insisteth so inexcusable on my part as he would inforce 3 To the second I say that if my Reader will be pleased to examine the fatshoods which were viged against Cardinall Bellarmine he shall finde that the obiections are no picked quarrels but plaine conuictions as hath been proued and whereof I shall giue the Reader a Synopsis in the next Chapter 4 To the third I need say no more but that I haue answered those particulars to the full where the Reader may finde iust cause to abhorre the vilenesse of your calumnious false and vnconscionable Reckoning M. PARSONS his Reckoning Fourthly I shall set downe the words of a stranger by which it is manifest what stuffe is conteined in his Latine books of Apologie his words are these Quid Mortoni editionem retardârit c. The Reuiew 5 Heere he hath obiected against me a stranger and Aduersarie in Religion to be my Accuser to preiudice my sinceritie neuer regarding that it is as easie for me to returne vpon him not a Stranger but his owne countrey-men nor Aduersaries in profession but his fellow-souldiers Priests who haue bespotted him in their publike writings dedicated vnto the Pope and others with more vgly marks of a lying slanderous libellious treacherous and bloudy behauiour than I haue read obiected vnto any man of what profession whomsoeuer in this latter age But I am not delighted with fingering other mens vlcers nor will I vex M. Parsons with repetitions thereof 6 As for my selfe as yet I can say no more vnto his Stranger but that he is a Stranger vnto me and when I shall be better acquainted with him by his booke I shall God willing answer him although not acccording to his acerbitie of words yet according to the trueth and equitie of the cause whereby I shall be better occasioned to set abroach in Latine the formerly confessed falshoods of Bellarmine Baronius Boucher M. Parsons and others But why hath not M. Parsons Englished that Epistle of the Stranger M. PARSONS his Reckoning I haue thought good not to translate this Epistle into English for that there be some words therein more sharpe than I would willingly vse against an Aduersary whom I seeke rather to pacifie and satisfie with reason The Reuiew 7 When Rabshakah came against Iudah blaspheming God and vilifying their King the Elders requested him not to speake in the vulgar language of the people but in a strange tongue but Rabshakah would not yeeld vnto them M. Parsons will seeme to be more fauourable he will not English it why They are too sharpe Heere I confesse I know not his meaning why he should spare me in this who hath shewen himselfe thorowout his Reckoning more sharp and galfull then any other Aduersary hath beene Vnto this Stranger he is pleased in his courtesie to adioyne the censure of Gretzer a Dutch Iesuit against me But if it would haue likewise pleased M. Parsons to haue red the places wherein he taketh exception and to haue examined them I durst bide his owne censure betweene me and Gretzer whose dispraise I account an honour vnto me both because I see him with as high contempt vilifie those learned and godly men with whom I may not make any shadow of comparison M. PARSONS his Reckoning I cannot let passe to set downe the iudgement of an other learned Stranger extant in a printed booke of his in defence of Card. Bellarmine whom M. Morton chiefely pretendeth to impugne but so weakely and absurdly as the said learned man giueth a very contemptible censure of the whole worke saying Hoc opus merito suo inter stulcissima c. The Reuiew 8 And I cannot but thanke you that you would honour me with his Contemtible Censure for so I doe esteeme it especially knowing the Author to be Iames Gretzer who is a superlatiue Contemner of all his Aduersaries whereof some were far more learned than himselfe Censuring D. Whitakers thus Mendax Spiritus Mendax Confessio Mendax Historia mendacia omnia delirat non argumentatur Censuring D. Lubbertus thus Si quis velit octo mendaciorum millia facise possit ex eius pagellis colligere is febriculosâ suâ phantasiâ delirauit Vix vllum reperi qui in mendacijs cùm eo comparari queat Censuring Lamb. Danaeus thus In toto eius Responso nè micaquidem boni ingenui et eruditi Viri adeò omnia mendacijs et nugamentis horrent Censuring Franciscus Iunius thus Tu mendacitèr omnia omnia falsò omnia imperitè Censuring AEgidius Hunnius thus Euidentèr apparet Hunnius nihil aliudfuit quam os lingua sinè mente Delirat Censuring Dr. Reynalds thus Nihil aliud est quàm mendatiorum quidem minimè pertusus sacculus Censuring the Phoenix of this age Ioseph Scaliger thus Potiùs Onologias quàm Chronologias condit In respect of all these I doe confesse my selfe to be worthily contemptible But yet who knoweth not that this kinde of censure without proofe is but the language of Canaan meere railing which this Gretzer doth not practise onely but euen also professe And euery one can vnderstand that the dispraise of an Aduersary and the praise of a mans selfe are both but stinking breathes 9 Heere againe as before I could requite M. Parsons with an other kinde of censure passed vpon him not by his Aduersaries in religion but by his owne brotherhood wherby they make him not contemptible onely but euen the most execrable man of his profession but Non est crimen proprium nescire alienum I therefore answer

M. Whit. his protestation but also by the most credible testimony as wel of the then Iudge in the Court of Yorke who kept a note of the passages in this cause as of a Counsailor at Law of M. Co his part who aduised his Clyent to forbeare that course of prosecution The wisdome of which his Counsaile was largely verified by the euent I forbeare to mention a publike Instrument vnder seale which noteth that M. C. sought for a Prohibition against M. Whit. after the Assises at Yorke We may guesse what complection M. Parsons his friend was of who blushed not to say that M. Whit. had sentence giuen against him at Yorke Furtheimore because M. Parsons hath aduentured to talke of Successe I hould it not inconuenient to adde as followeth The memorablenesse of the Suite betweene M. Whit. and M. Co about the Tithe of that Closse and the Successe of the whole businesse 14 It was to be sentenced before the Ordinary at Yorke but before the sentence was pronounced M. C. got a Prohibition at London wherein M. Whit. obtained a Consultation because M. C. had been Non-suit in a former Prohibition at Yorke Neuerthelesse he procured a third Prohibition was againe by another Consullation remitted to his Ordinary at Yorke He stirreth vp to London for a fourth Prohibition and after that a fift and a sixt which were all frustrated by so many Consultations because he failed to make dew proofe of his Suggestions within the times limited by the Statute After the three last Prohibitions he procured an Iniunction out of the Chauncery against M. Whi but vpon Information giucn to the Court it was speedily dissolued Is not this a strange case which continuing the space of nine yeeres was so often tossed like a Tennis-bal between London and Yorke But in the end the matter was so vexatiously caried on M. C. his part as that he was taxed to pay 300. pounds costs whereof M. Whit. receiued two hundred pounds and after that his foresaid Tithes and hath enioied them euer since Heere we see not onely one Successe but euen as many successes as there were Consultations which were six and as there were pounds which he got for charges amounting to aboue two hundred pounds and as the valew of the Tithe is which he recouered And now let them laugh that winne for heerein we see this Prouerbe falsified Notwithstanding M. Parsons still boasteth and maketh sport in behalfe of his Defendant and plaieth merily vpon a slanderous figment as followeth M. PARSONS his Appendix One that was a particular friend of M. Wh. demanding the reason how they could sweare or rather forsweare in such maner the thing being knowne to be so notoriously false He answered that they in their owne sence did sweare truely behold then the Case of Equiuocation and that so they were ready to prooue it if they had beene vrged by the Iudges therein to wit that their meaning in swearing was that the former Incumbent had receiued Tithes out of that Closse or Field or without that Closse or Field namely in other Closses adioyning though not in the Field And with this Equiuocation of Out and In they thought themselues cleared both for deceiuing the Iudges and their Parishioners The Reuiew 15 This in his marginall note he calleth a fraudulent and lying Equiuocation who if he be aliue might be put in minde by a most graue godly famous Treasurer of learning Sir Tho. B. that there was such a iest as this set abroach in M. Parsons his time in Oxford by one who merily maintained that the testimonie which he alleaged was out of Aristotle that is not credible said his fellow the other brought for his defence a booke which was not Aristotle where the alleaged testimonie was extant and therefore said the Sophister is it found out of Aristotle May we not thinke that M. Parsons hath turned a iest into an earnest and translated the booke-case into the Close case 16 When we remember the diuerse improbabilites in the Exordium of a friend busily inquiring about a sinne which did not concerne him and questioning about such a Case which no Christian could doubt of and sending for resolution to Rome which might haue beene had at home and consulting thereabout with M. Parsons by priuate letters which had been before largely satisfied in his publike books but especially when we recognize the falsities of the Narration and Declaration it selfe wherein a Minister is made a witnesse who was dead twenty yeeres before and some Minister is obiected whereas no Minister was any way vsed in that cause and they are said to haue beene forsworne who were not nor could not be sworne and the sentence is affirmed to passe with him at the Assises who was so 〈◊〉 as to become Non-sute and so to forsake his cause and in the vp-shot was constrained both to pay the Tithes that were sued for and to repay the charges of the sute How can we but thinke that this Equiuocating by out and in came out of M. Parsons his Equiuocating braine wherein the Mitigation for defence of a woorse kinde of Equiuocation by Mentall Reseruation was formerly ingendred What remaineth now but that we vnderstand what Determination M. Parsons hath passed vpon this forged Case The Conclusion and determination of the former Case M. PARSONS his Appendix Their Conspiracie together by way of money corruption and bribes was detestable Their guilesull deceiuing their lawfull Iudges that were competent in the cause and proceeded iuridically was abhominable The scandall giuen to them that knew they sware falsly was impious The obligation they had to answer directly vnto the sense and meaning of the said Iudges was indispensable all which points are different in a lawfull Equiuocation Whereof I doe inferre for resolution of the case that this was no true or proper Equiuocation at all but rather a flat lie and open periury The Reuiew 17 Although such a speech in iudgement being but a Verball Equiuocation in the inward court of a mans conscience might goe for an indirect truth as hath been prooued yet in foro fori and outward court of mans Iudicature wherin the secret thoughts of men cannot be discerned it may be censured for a lie And whether it be a lie or not a lie yet being a deceit and delusion against a Magistrate in an Oath none can deny but euery such practise is Detestable abhominable indispensable and impious both before God and man And thus far supposing that the case had beene such I yeeld vnto M. Parsons his Censure and Conclusion 18 But now after the examination of the Third part of his Accusation I cannot see how M. Parsons could haue chosen a more extraordinary and famous case wherein to betray their owne malice against Ministers and to make themselues most notoriously infamous by deuising this Equiuocation of out and in which may perswade any indifferent Reader to