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The life & death of Edmund Staunton D.D. To which is added, I. His treatise of Christian conference. II. His dialogue betwixt a minister and a stranger. Published by Richard Mayo of Kingston, Minister of the Gospel.
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Mayo, Richard, 1631?-1695.
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to be damned and go to Hell for your sins Str. I hope not so great a sinner as to deserve Hell and damnation Min. Friend I must tell you that you and I and the best Men and Women that are deserve to go to Hell for their sins the least sin deserveth eternal death Rom. 6.23 The wages of sin is death Stranger What you say Sir I perceive is true for you bring Scripture to prove what you say Minister Why then say these words after me I am a sinner and such a sinner as that I deserve to go to Hell and be damned for my sins Str. I am a sinner and such a sinner as that I deserve to go to Hell and be damned for my sin Min. Did you ever in your life-time say so much before Str. Truly Sir I never thought or said so much before all the dayes of my life Min. It 's as true a word as ever you spake all your dayes Str. I believe it Sir Min. If you did indeed believe it Friend it would trouble you and make your heart ake within you Str. Sir how may that appear Min. Thus Friend if you did verily believe that you deserved to forfeit all your estate to be imprisoned all the dayes of your life to be hanged or burned to death would it not trouble you Str. Yes doubtless that it would Minister Friend You cannot but think that to go to Hell and to be damned for ever is a thousand times worse than all this and therefore if you did indeed believe it it would trouble you and that to some purpose Stranger I thank God Sir I was never troubled in mind all my life Min. Friend let me tell you that you had more cause to thank God if you could say that you have been troubled for your sins this be sure of that they who are not troubled for sin in this World mourning and repenting shall be troubled with a vengeance in the World to come when they lie in Hell under the wrath and curse of God tormented with fire and brimstone for ever because of their sins against God Str. I hope Sir I shall never come there I have alwayes been of a strong faith towards God Min. Friend what if your strong faith as you call it prove no better than a strong fancy or a strong presumption at the last and so deceive you Stranger I hope better Minister Friend if your faith and hope were right you would find 1. A difficulty and hardship in believing he that never doubted or never believed he that never saw his want of faith never lamented his unbelief hath cause to fear he hath no true saving faith at all It 's an easie matter to presume but it 's a hard thing to believe and hope aright in God Ephes 1.19 It 's the exceeding greatness of the power of God toward us who believe according to the working of his mighty power ver 20. Which he wrought in Christ when he raised him from the dead 2. Your faith and hope were they true would be grounded upon the Word and Promises of God 3. Faith and hope if right would purifie the heart and life Acts 15.9 1 John 3.3 Now whether you have this kind of faith and hope or no you had need look to it Str. I trust I shall Sir Min. Friend to return to what we a little before discoursed of it must be granted that you and I and all of us deserve the wrath and curse of God for ever how do you think to escape the damnation of Hell and to get Heaven and Salvation when you die Stranger I hope to be saved by my serving of God and good prayers and by leading an honest life how else should I be saved Minister Friend What do you hope to be saved for your good Works that is Popery and I presume you are no Papist Str. Sir All my Neighbours know I am no Papist I defie Popery from my heart Min. Friend let me tell you that to relie upon our own righteousness and to hope to be justified and saved for what we do is one of the most desperate and damnable points in all Popery and therefore whatever you may think of it if you trust unto your good prayers and your honest life as you call it as if that were enough to save you you are in that point a Papist Str. Oh Sir the Papists trust to their good works and merits Minister Friend What is it not a good work to serve God to say good prayers to lead an honest life c Stranger Yes surely Min. Why then surely to trust and relie upon them is to relie upon your good works which is plain downright Popery Str. I perceive Sir you are too hard for me but what would you not have men to serve God use good prayers and lead good lives Min. Yes Friend that I would and wish from my heart that you and I and all men served God more prayed and lived better but here 's the mischief and the Popery of it when men relie upon those works for justification and salvation Str. Why may not I safely do it Min. No the Word of God is expresly against it Rom. 3.20 By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight Rom. 10.3 They who establish their own righteousness submit not unto the righteousness of God Eph. 2.8 By grace ye are saved through faith and that not of our selves ver 9. Not of works lest any man should boast and many such places I could tell you of Stranger Sir you bring so much Scripture that I cannot tell what to say to you Min. Friend it 's the Word of God by which we must be tryed and judged another day Rom. 2.16 In the day of Judgment when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel saith the Apostle and therefore we might do well to try and judge our selves by it now Str. You speak reason Sir Min. Friend deal plainly with me do not you think that though you have sometimes offended God yet you hope that your good works will satisfie and make amends for the bad and so all will be made even between God and you Str. Sir you hit me right I wonder how you come to know me so well I do indeed hope that my good works will answer for my bad Min. Friend I am a stranger to you it is not I that hits you and knows you it is the Word of God that hits you and knows you onely I may somewhat guess at your heart by my own naturally such as yours is Prov. 27.19 As in water face answereth to face so the heart of man to man Stranger If my good works my serving God my good prayers and my honest life will not serve me I pray tell me how then may I be saved Minister Friend did you never hear of Jesus Christ you speak never a word of Christ all this while why
Conference with them I say their abundant experience of good success may save me the labour of farther enlargements herein Yet let me drop my mites and give an instance or two in the case Though I have been very very remiss and negligent in taking and improving opportunities in this kind for which I desire to be humbled in the sight of God and men yet my being through grace sometimes a little active herein hath not been altogether in vain I have had occasionally discourse with Papists about Justification by works with more touching Salvation by living up to the light within them with more yet who hoped to be saved by their good Prayers serving of God leading a good life doing as they would be done by and the like several of them in each sort well-meaning people I hope yet all split upon the same rock works works whereas the Scriptures say expresly By the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight Rom. 3.20 And again By grace are ye saved through faith and that not of your selves it is the gift of God not of works least any man should boast Eph. 2.8 9. Not to multiply quotations so well known to all who search the Scriptures take but one more Tit. 3.5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to his mercy he saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the holy Ghost It is by as the way not for as the deserving and meritorious cause of salvation that is Christ and none but Christ Act. 4.12 But to instance a little for Papists I know not any by me reduced I hope many are by others and I rejoyce therein and bless the Lord for it For the second sort who expect Salvation by living up to the light within them a generation of men as much to be pittied prayed for and tenderly dealt with as any who by reason of some opinions and practices lie under the wrath of men and for others without breach of Charity we may say lie under the wrath of God onely one I can speak of a fellow passenger with my self and others in an hackny Coach from St Albans to London who after long and warme disputes at length ingeniously confessed that no righteousness but the righteousness of Christ imputed to us could availe for satisfaction to God the Father nor for our justification and salvation or to this effect For the third sort those who hope to be saved by their good prayers their serving God and so forth think and profess they think their repentance and good deeds for time to come will make amends for their bad deeds in time past and make satisfaction to God for all that formerly hath been done amiss by them I hope by the good hand of God upon weak endeavours the whole of glory be the Lords many have been plucked out of this snare of the Divel I perceive this work groweth upon my hands take but one instance therefore There was some few years since a young gentlewoman who waited on a Lady in a Noble mans family who passing by Coach with others and my self from Barnet to London upon discourse I soon found that this young woman had a devotion and a zeale for God cared not for vain frothy Company gave her self to reading Scriptures and good Books she was well read talked willingly and understandingly at last discoursing with her and putting questions to her touching Justification I perceived she built much upon works and a legall righteousness whereupon my bowels yerned towards her and I told her in plain termes I feared she was not yet in the way of life and Salvation and I spake as seriously and pertinently as I could shewing the insufficiency of all our own righteousnesses and the impossibility of justification life and salvation to be had by the deeds of the Law and withall opened the Covenant of grace to her how that it was Christ and he alone that was made under the Law to redeem them who were under the Law of the fulness and sufficiency and also willingness and readiness in him to save us and to this effect I discoursed about half an hour together and perceiving that she had pulled her hood over her face and was weeping I held my peace dropping a few words sometimes at length she breaks out in expressions to this purpose Now Sir I see the mind of God towards me this day which is to bring me off from that sandy foundation of works which I have been building upon this many a day and to bring me to free grace in Jesus Christ so setting me upon that rock which is higher then I and I bless the Lord that I saw your face this day that I fell into your company the good I hope I have received from you will stick by me and comfort me as long as I live I hear and believe that her Conversation ever since hath not been a dishonour to her profession and that she hath not hinder'd the advance of Religion at all in that noble family but a means to promote it rather 3 Rebellious converted 3. That Christian Conference may be useful and availeable even for the Conversion of obstinate and rebellious sinners I make no question the place forecited aboundantly proves it for whereas the Apostle saith Jam. 15.19 20. He that converteth a sinner from the errour of his way by sinner we must needs take in such as are vicious and flagitious in life and conversation as well as one erring from the truth persons erronious and Heretical Again Pauls injuction Eph. 4.29 Let no rotten communication proceed out of your mouth but such as may Minister grace to the hearers and why not Converting grace ministred and regeneration work wrought even by Christian Conference This I may safely say that the Ministers of Christ have been not only by the publick Preaching of the word but by private Conference very instrumental under God in the converting many souls to righteousness and the ground hereof to me is plain and abvious because Christ setteth them apart on purpose for that work and gave gifts to men Eph. 4.11 12 13. He received gifts even for the rebellious that the Lord God might dwell among them Ps 68 18. And though private Christians and Ministers speak the same words yet there 's this difference that what private Christians say in Conference comes from fraternal Charity what the messengers of Christ say comes from speciall ministerial authority and their discoursing about matters of Religion is properly enough preaching and hath been eminently instrumental for the Conversion of many from darkness to light and from the Kingdome of Satan unto God Experiments herein I believe are frequent and usual through the blessing of God and his Christ who by promise hath freely and graciously engaged himself to be with his Gospel-ministery to the worlds end Mat. 28.19 20. Let me leave you but one instance which may by the Lords