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A47961 Il putanismo di Roma, or, The history of the whores and whoredom of the popes, cardinals, and clergy of Rome discovered by a conclave of ladies convened for the election of a new pope / written in Italian by the author of Cardinalismo and Nepotismo ; and now made English by I.D., Esq.; Putanismo di Roma. English Leti, Gregorio, 1630-1701. 1670 (1670) Wing L1340A; ESTC R36249 57,206 143

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is none but the Devil that would rather have a Sodomit than a Whoremonger However I will believe the Popes to be chast their reins tyed up and free from all carnal pollution but what doth all this signifie if they suffer Brothel-Houses to be in the Court that for the most part go mask't under the names of Seminaries How can the Hereticks nay the very Catholicks themselves imagine that Pope chast that receives great sums from Bawdy-house Contributions How can they think him to be innocent if he hath such daily commerce with sin How is it possible he should be worshipped as a Saint if he permits all manner of vices to be uncheck't and unpunished throughout the City worse then the Devil himself would do How can he be able to free himself from those accusations that he is taxed with by the faithful viz. that he keeps off the deserving and calls those that are most ignorant to the Court that he exhausteth the puplick Treasury of the Church and disposeth of Ecclesiastical Dignities to private persons when the proofs are daily apparent There are no other persons found going up and down the stairs of the Vatican but old Sodomitical Boys some of them go to receive the reward of their Sodomitical Sacrifice offered to the Devil for many years and others coming thither laden with gratuities receiv'd for their great services done to those that take a pride to have their standing-chamber in the Arsehole of Rome What infamous custom reigns there now in Rome which hath the paternal benediction of his Holiness This little Lord because he hath carried an Abbot on his back pretends that an Abbacie of right belongs to him and he obtains it The other reverend Chamber-fellow no sooner desires a Bishoprick but it is granted because he was Mule to a Prelat and many of them think they deserve a Cardinals Cap which they obtain before they demand it because the acts of humility in those young men in the presence of the Cardinals is in Rome rewarded with the Purple as if the Cardinals Hat were made to cover their heads that bow down to the very ground to the end that the bowing down of the head having rais'd the back parts the head ought also to be rais'd for the bowing of the back-parts The Pope is the cause of all this because he does not or seems not to take notice of it Mar. You run impertinently from one thing to another Dear Brother What need we talk of the Pope if he be dead We are met here to discourse of the Election of the new Pope therefore there is no necessity for us to give our judgement of the faults of the dead nor of those that shall live which we know not out of what place they will come I had almost said are born Mar. Methinks you seem to betray your simplicity The Pope never dyes he lives alwaies in spight of the Devil though he should destroy one every day The men only dye that carry a resemblance of the Pope and that have the Popedom at their disposal during life leaving every thing to his succession when he dies Mar. If it be so then we must unsay all that was spoken a little before that many Popes are damned by their Nephews How can this be that they can live alwaies and yet go to Hell Pas If you could not understand me I cannot help that if you did not apprehend my meaning that was no fault of mine I do not mean that the Popes are damn'd on the contrary I believe this as an undoubted article of my Faith that whilst they are Popes they can by no means go to Hell because the Popedom makes the Popes Popes and that is a thing that is alwaies left as an Inheritance to the Church a torment to Rome an affliction to the People and for the mortification of the Hereticks Yet those persons who have had the Papacy which hath been alwaies supposed by certain persons may be damn'd and do damn themselves For example A Porter carrying a Bale of Silk falls down dead under his burthen yet this doth not make the propriety of him to whom it belongs to dye also with him but there is soon found some other person who takes it up and carries it to the Owner and although the Porter should go to the Devil the Bale of Silk would not be also condemn'd to go thither Now those that have been Popes and govern'd amiss are damn'd but the Papacy is not verbi gratia I believe Alexander the Seventh who was a Pope I bring this in only as an example is gone to Hell not the Papacy that was govern'd by him And therefore the Romans that understand the nature the usages of those persons that are call'd to the Papacy better then others can distinguish as to their humane actions those Popes that are sav'd and those that are damn'd for the Tree is known by his fruit Mar. This is a doctrine in the Gospel Ex fructibus eorum cognoscetis eos You shall know them by their fruit But the Popes are exempted from all this because they are not subject to the Rules contained in the Gospel they having a faculty which Theologians have given them to create Gospels according to their own humour and to frame Rules to their own fancy jesting at the supream authority that is found written it being enough for them to cause that to be written which agrees better with their own temper Pas That which you say is certainly true but yet they know very well they have not so great authority as is allowed them and you have a testimony of it in Leo the Tenth who discoursing one day with one of his intimate and very familiar Theologians concerning the doctrine of Luther contrary to the power of the Pope and the Divine informing him that Luther among those opinions that he dispersed abroad one was that he did every where deny and instruct every one that it was not true that the Pope had the Keys both of Heaven and Hell in his possession Good Leo making a jeast of it answered the Divine No matter for that let him prate what he will he shall not deprive us of the Keys of the Datary we will try who shall be best able either he to take away the Keys of Heaven that are invisible or we to preserve those of our Treasure which are palpable From hence may be gathered that the Popes do not aim so much at heavenly as earthly things wherefore they know very well that they are in as much danger of going to Hell as other men and as a testimony that they fear it observe this that they confess almost every day the sins that they commit Now if they themselves are dubious of it why may not the Romans also doubt of the salvation of the Popes To conclude this point the Popedom still continues in the world and they fall into the precipice that have been bad Ministers and here