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A07462 A pleasaunt dialogue, concerning phisicke and phisitions MexĂ­a, Pedro, 1496?-1552?; Newton, Thomas, 1542?-1607, attributed name. 1580 (1580) STC 17848; ESTC S120389 26,525 80

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