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A43114	The Quaker converted to Christianity re-established, upon the same, sure, safe, and only foundation, Jesus Christ crucified, and his righteousness imputed for justification : having yet no mind to change the sweet and easie Yoke of Christ's Gospel, for the Old Covenant-Yoke of Quakerism, which he found so burdensome and intolerable, or, A full reply to a book entituled, Rebellion rebuked written by John Crook and William Baily, both in the ministry among the Quakers / written by William Haworth ... ; with an account from William Dimsdale ...	Haworth, William.; Dimsdale, William.	1674 (1674)	Wing H1196; ESTC R513	168,839	185

with such Blasphemies viz. Given forth by the Spirit through the Trunk of the Body of FOX or such a one Horrible Pride And therefore do your Disciples at this day account their Writings of equal Authority with the Writings of the Apostles nay beyond them because a newer Revelation of a later Date you be advanced to a good Degree but to the thing now what is this instance of an extraordinary Power of the Spirit to the ordinary working of Gifts in Sanctification which thou art treating of There are 7 Lines follows that are but Queries to the same purpose as before which I have Answered fully to viz. I have said in My Answer that we are for acting and doing and by the Holy Ghost yet dares not trust to it but to Christ In the End of this Paragraph you have this Neither is it we that speak as we are kept truly ●lent out of all our own thoughts but the Holy Ghost in us Mark 13.11 Answ Here is speaking and yet silence Reconcile contraries as you can that place in Mark speaks of the Holy Ghost being promised to the Disciples in times of Persecution to assist them in their Confessions of this Faith I am pleading for viz. Salvation by a Crucified Jesus as their Righteousness when they should be called to an account before Tribunals as if we could not have the Assistance of the Holy Ghost to enable before Magistrates or Quakers to confess the Faith but we must of necessity make this assistance our very Righteousness that Justifies us what weakness is this J. C. Pag. 15. Thou sayest our Righteousness is but the Righteousness of mere Man c. And yet before saith it consists in the Gifts and Vertues th● the Holy Ghost works in our minds See thy Confusion from thy 〈◊〉 words Answ I can see none and let the Reader Judg Thy Soul 〈◊〉 is the Soul of a meer Man yet the parts of it consist in Understanding and Will which God hath created and given the Light within is the Light of a meer Man yet it consists in a Faculty which God hath given of discerning Moral good and evil and a reflex Act of Co●science in accusing or excusing according to a Mans Actings thereunto So here when I say the Spirit works these there is the efficient cause when I say of meer Man there is the Subject in which it is wrought still to distinguish it from that Righteousness that Justifies that is the Righteousness of one who is God and Man Col●ss 2.9 This Scripture proves Christ to be God and Man for in him dwelleth All the fulness of the Godhead Bodily What is that Him and what that Fulness of the Godhead Where is now Confusion Reader J. C. pag. ibid. One Righteousness is perfect and compleat the other 〈◊〉 faulty imperfect and incompleat thou wouldest make them two in nature and kind the one from Heaven the other on Earth the one Christ's the other ours and yet saith it is incompleat as to Degree then they must be one in kind for Degrees varie not kind or Nature Answ That thy heart smote thee a little when thou was writing this John appears to me by thy way of expressing they self Thou sayest I would make them two in Nature and Kind c. Why then there was something spoken that made it evident as that the one was Christ's the other ours That an Adversary could not but take notice of it Degrees thou sayest varie not kind which is true in things of the same Nature But here I have plainly by thy own Confession made them of various Natures then this Sentence viz. faulty imperfect incompleat as to Degree must necessarily be restrained as to those things of their own Nature of which I am speaking viz. our own Righteousness and no more is in it than this viz. That the Spirit in working it in our Souls doth not work it up to that height as that 〈◊〉 thing of sin remains in us but as to the other Righteousness there was no spot in Christ Remember the Proverb Rather than Satan will 〈◊〉 he will play at a small Game Rather than thou willt not manifest thy enmity against Imputed Righteousness and be a Patron of our own to Justify us to take off from Christ thou wilt play a small low Game J. C. Pag. ibid. So it is manifest that thou knowest not what thou sayest such is thy confusion no marvel while thou errest from the form of sound words calling it a Righteousness contrived where findest thou such a word i● Scripture Answ Let the Reader judg if I know not what I say thou art a ●●●ty and not sit to judg in the Case now by saying the Form of 〈◊〉 words and then mentioning the Scriptures who would think 〈◊〉 J. C. began to be ashamed of the Quakers Principles and to own the Scriptures for the Rule which his Brother Bayly disowns and that 〈◊〉 was again returned to his old Christianity from which he had Apostatized and grew weary of those many uncouth strange words and Gibberish Language that Fox brought out of the North resolving to fashion all his words in his Prayers hereafter according to the Dialect of the Scriptures Oh that it might prove true Yet how can I but say this that an Ape that is most like a Man and yet of another kind is one of the most ill-favouredst of the Bruits so it rendereth thee most ridiculous in our eye when we see thee here Ape it so like a Christian and yet knoweth that thou art of a different Species Speak and write like a Quaker or else utterly forsake them my eye hath been deceived sometimes by the Art of Limning in thinking I have seen Living Creatures Men and Women Lions Bulls c. and yet turn but the other side and nothing but a thin painted Past-Board So here I fear many be deceived with thy expressions in thy lines wherein thou appears to a weak eye a Living real sound substantial Christian but I hope I have turned the other side and now it appears thou art but still a thin dead liveless rotten Apostate and Quaker only painted over with better Colours and a little more Art Thou hast got the Art that Gaptains have at Sea that they may have the greater advantage and thou thinkest it Lawful as they do thou comest up to us thinking to board us presently with an English 〈◊〉 and Colours when as thou art absolutely a French Man I have heard lately from one that hath read J. C's Books that in one of his Books he expresses himself to be for this viz. a Liberty for Quakers to admit themselves into all Churches of what Judgment soever This is the Man that is for overcoming not by force of Argument but 〈◊〉 Stratagems This is Romes way at this day And remember that 〈◊〉 writ before an Answer which J. C. gave to one that charged him with what he had said viz. If they were my Words that was

3. B. The Papists would Condemn and Judge thee to be an envious Hypo●●● should these Lines come to their hands who are as opposite to us in 〈◊〉 Religious ways of Worship as Darkness to Light Reply Let the Reader take notice that here Bayly hath shewn as 〈◊〉 ingenuity as in any part of his Book in that he doth tacitly imply 〈◊〉 the Papists and Quakers agree in Doctrine It 's only in Worship that they are Opposits And what agreement there is may be seen in 〈◊〉 Parallel Baily And are wholly without with thee in their dark imagination Reply Thou mayest see that many of the Papists are for Mental Prayer Passive Unions a State of introversion attendance upon God in the depths of the Spirit internal Solitude Thou art mista● here thou mayest learn many brave mystical words from Mr. 〈◊〉 that speaks frequently of the Deiform fund of the Soul B. And again sayest thou If ever Satan was transformed into an An● of Light It is in this People and sayest they swarm like Locusts and 〈…〉 have an Impudent Enemie to deal withal Reply There is not any thing said by thee to take off this Charge 〈◊〉 only thou askest what evil the Quakers have done me how they 〈◊〉 to be my Enemies promisest that if they have wronged me that they will right me I know what I have said is true and withal that 〈…〉 and wrong that the Quakers have done me in their Railings 〈◊〉 Language to my Face behind my Back the false Reports they 〈◊〉 raised of me may easily be passed over in that I see it is their 〈◊〉 way to deal so with all their Adversaries but their greatest 〈◊〉 is in Adulterating the Gospel perverting Scriptures Their 〈◊〉 fulsome loathsome Errors whereby they offend the Ears and 〈◊〉 the hearts of all the Godly in the Nation And if you should right me and others herein it would be well if thou and John Crook and George Whitehead and William Penn would write Books of Retractation in unfeigned Repentance B. For it is Christ in them the Hope of Glory which thou hast bl●sphmed who is the true Light that lighted every Man that cometh into the World to whom all the Angels must bow Reyly Now I thank thee for this plain Testimony If you would always thus plainly speak out then would the people loath you and spew you out but thou wilt deny thy words again Here Reader thou seest the Light within which every Heathen hath and every Man living that cometh into the World is according to Baily a person and the very Christ He that was Preached of among the Gentiles that hath Riches of Glory treasured up in him that is both the ground and cause of all the hope of Salvation that any hath That all the good Angels must Worship and do Worship And all the Devils are subject to him No wonder a few Quakers Worshipped the Light in Nailor For all the Angels ought to Worship it No wonder thou chargest me with Blasphemy for saying that the Light in every Man was not the Christ of God when-as thou hast made it thy God and Worshipt it if this be true thou hast said here I am justly Charged by thee But art not thou Baily guilty of gross Idolatry and wouldest make all the elect Angels Idolaters with thee I charge thee with Idolatry and it will lie at thy Door and thou canst not extricate thy self B. As for their Swarming which thou enviest it 's not like Locusts the is thy mistake But as the Stars of Heaven and as the Sand upon the Sea-Shoar shall the Seed of Abraham be who rejoyced to see Christ day Reply I envy you not for your Multitudes neither writ I that ●● Envy For I have said it to several Quakers that no other is to be expected but that this Gangrene Leprosie Plague will spread apa●● Error runs like Wild-fire Christ's Flock is but a little Flock Tru●h prevails but slowly If there be ten yea a hundred turn Quakers for one Christian it 's no more than what I look for But W. B. If I had used such a Phrase as thou usest here thou thy self would have laughed at me and the Reader may well smile at it viz. That the Quakers swarm like Stars and swarm like the Sin● udon the Sea-Shoar Swarm surely is a word properly used to Vermin● not inanimate Creatures and so better to Locusts than Stars Locu● are living Creatures gendred of Corruption and who are they th● are made up of all the Corrupt Errors that have been these many years Revel 9.3 It 's said of the Locusts there that they came out of the smoke that arose out of the Bottomless Pit Which Pit is surely Hell ●ll Error ariseth from hell and is as smoke stinking offensive darkning Now what a smoke of Error has been in this Nation for a long while and who are they that have come out of the Smoke like Locusts for number v. 7. It 's said That they were like Horses prepared for the Battel What Boldness what Courage what Rushings into Sufferings and Dangers and Oppositions hath there been in this people wherein they vainly Glory V. 10. They had Tailes like Scorpions What a fawning flattering insinuating way have they in their proselyting people to them But there were Stings in their Tailes O what Venome Poyson Wounding and Death to the Soul is there in their Errors And hath it not been so As in this place of the Revelations it 's said that the Grass the green thing the Tree i. e. the Living Fruitful Established Christian have not been hurt by them They have wounded none of them Only those that had not the Seal of God upon their Foreheads If it were possible the Scripture saith they would deceive the very Elect but it is not possible B. And as the Sand upon the Sea-Shore so shall the Seed of Abraham be Reply Whoever have not the Faith of Abraham cannot be the Seed of Abraham B. Who rejoyced to see Christ's day the true Light c. Reply Abraham had that which thou callest the true Light when he was an Idolater and therefore this rejoycing to see Christ's day was h●s seeing by Faith that a certain time would come of the Messia's being born of his Seed Abraham's Seed according to the Flesh it being so promised by God viz. In thy Seed shall all the Nations of the Earth be blessed Not W. B. as thou thinkest to see the Day of George Foxes ●roaching this Error of Quakerism in the North B. Pag. 40. Now to return to some more of the young Mans Words Pag. 17. Where he speaks of another Light which every Man hath not by which he saw Salvation by a person wholly without him whose Righteousness being imputed to him Is this like Scripture-Language which ye call your Rule See more of your Confusion and blindness Did the Apostles of Christ Preach a Light that every Man hath not Reply There be two or three