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A05534 A treatise of the ceremonies of the church vvherein the points in question concerning baptisme, kneeling, at the sacrament, confirmation, festiuities, &c. are plainly handled and manifested to be lawfull, as they are now vsed in the Church of England : whereunto is added a sermon preached by a reuerend bishop. Lindsay, David, d. 1641? 1625 (1625) STC 15657.5; ESTC S2190 273,006 442

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sufficient of themselues howbeit kneeling were otherwise warranted by the practise of the Church c. ANS I am assured if kneeling be warranted by practise of the ancient Church no good Christian will thinke for the friuolous reasons adduced by you that they committed any of these breaches But you labour to proue that the ancient Church did not practise it for yee say that when the Arrians denyed Christs true diuinitie the Orthodoxe Church who acknowledged his diuinitie kneeled not in the act of receiuing which had beene expedient if the same had beene lawfull vnto which I answere That there be many things expedient to be done which notwithstanding are not done nor ought to be done not because they are vnlawfull in themselues but for some other respect as some custome receiued or some order formerly established which vpon euery apparant expedience is not to be altered for example It was expedient because of the same heresie to haue kneeled at all times when publike prayers were offered to Christ or to the Father in his name yet on the Lords day which was the most solemne time of worship the ancient Church kneeled not at publike prayer not because it was vnlawfull in it selfe to haue kneeled but because there was an order receiued in the Church that on the Lords day the people should stand and not kneele Next when yee say that the ancient Church did not kneele at the receiuing of the Sacrament and will prooue it by this that it was the custome of the Church to stand in the time of publike prayer all the Lords dayes in the yeere and on euery day from Easter to Pentecost because of the ioyfull memory of Christs resurrection for say yee this Sacrament being a matter of great ioy far lesse would they kneele at the celebration of it To this I answere That if the order of the Church could haue permitted kneeling the nature of the action although it bee a matter of great ioy would haue sorted well enough with this humble gesture In the 17. of Genes 16. God promised to Abraham that hee would blesse Sarah and giue him a sonne by her and make her the mother of many Nations and Kings to come of her the Text saith in the next verse that Abraham fell vpon his face and laughed Here yee see a matter of great ioy which made Abraham to laugh ioyned with a gesture of greater humilitie then bowing of the knee is The bowing of the body and the knee is not as your Master of table gesture and ye here affirme the gesture onely of an humble Penitentiar but it is the gesture also of these that giue thanks So the Leper gaue thanks Luke 17.16 And of these who ioyfully sing prayses to God Psalm 138. vers 2. And of these who pray as our Sauiour Luk. 22.41 who kneeled and prayed though he was no Penitentiar And of these who offered their gifts to God Mich. 6.6 And of these with whom God talked either immediately as he did with Abrabam Gen. 17.3 or mediately as by Mayses to the people of Israel Exod. 12.27 And of these that were astonished at the works of God or his Word 1. King 18.39 1. Cor. 14.25 To be short if Abraham when he did onely receiue the promise of the blessed seede fell on his face Gen. 17.17 how much more ought the faithfull bow their knees when they receiue the performance of this promise euen the blessed Seede himselfe from the hand of God in this spirituall Banquet So it is not the nature of the action that will enforce the gesture of standing to haue been vsed in the Sacrament rather then at prayer but the custome and order of the Church only which if ye were able to produce as well for standing at the Sacrament as at praying on the Lords day your argument were strong but that yee shall neuer doe except ye grant according to the truth that the Sacrament is an act of reall adoration In that case Tertullians testimony which you cite would aduance your cause mightily who sayes De geniculis adorare nefas ducimus Two or three testimonies of Eusebius Chrysostome and Tertullian for standing on the Lords day at the Table or Altar when the Sacrament was receiued will not proue a constant and vniuersall practise of that gesture Neyther is the example of the Abissines and Muscouites who stand to this day able to counterpoyse the practise of the vniuersall Church for the space of foure or fiue hundred yeeres preceding their dayes wherein they kneeled at the receiuing Nor are you able to prooue that the gesture of kneeling was brought into the Church by the error of Transsubstantiation as ye confidently affirme in the last line of this Section For Honorius as wee sayd before did not decree kneeling to bee vsed at the receiuing of the Sacrament but at the eleuation and circumgestation which was a superstitious and idolatrous worshippe inuented by man And it is euident at the time when that Decree was made the people were accustomed to kneele at the receiuing and if it had not beene the custome there is no question but the same would haue beene straitly enioyned by the same Decree But it is playne that before that time as euer since this gesture is continued in the Church for as Saint Augustine vpon the 98. Psalme testifies No man doeth worthily receiue but hee that adores And in the same places hee saith Non peccatur adorando carnem Christi sed peccatur non adorando that is Wee sinne not in adoring Christs body in the Sacrament but we sinne if wee adore it not And Chrysostome in one of his Homilies hath these words Ergo adora communica that is Adore then and communicate but vnto these and the rest of the testimonies yee answere That it followeth not because they adored that therefore they kneeled because say yee their testimonies make mention of adoration not of the Sacrament but of Christ in the Sacrament and wee say the same that at the Sacrament Christ only is to be adored and not the sacramentall Elements which are the signes So in this wee agree but because that maketh nothing against kneeling yee subioyne that their testimonies are to bee vnderstood of spirituall and internall adoration and to confirme it yee quote in the Margine D. Fulke vpon the first to the Cor. 11. Sect. 18. But let the Reader peruse the place he shall finde nothing in it against the gesture of kneeling or any other religious signe of adoration onely hee saith that adoration mentioned by the Fathers is to be vnderstood of the spirituall adoration of Christ and not of the externall adoration of the Sacrament And if hee had meant otherwise Chrysostomes words in the 24. Homilie vpon the first to the Corinths Cap. 10. cited by himselfe would haue controlled his saying Hoc corpus etiam iacens in praesepi reueriti sunt Magi c. that is to say The wisemen did reuerence to this