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A70556 A briefe or generall reply, unto Mr. Knuttons answers unto the VII. questions, about the controversie betwen the Church of England, and the separatist and anabaptist briefly discussed. By John Mabbatt. Mabbatt, John. 1645 (1645) Wing M112; ESTC R223722 35,933 39

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of all God gave the land to all the tribes of Israel except them but to the Levites your brethren I give none he shall have the Tenth of all and live of the sacrifice Deut. 10.9 10. and from his right in all he disposeth the tenth to them And God hath declared only his taking the right of the Tythe for a time only in that incorporation as the Truth affirmes so long as they serve the Tabernacle Num. 18.21 but saith he the same right descended to the Ministers of the Gospel but he is too short to bring any Word for it and this was denyed before But he brings in this lame Argument which cannot goe upon all foure nor upon two thus so Tythes were due to the Leviticall Ministers as Ministers not as Leviticall and so are successively due to Evangelicall Pastors as Pastors not formally as Evangelicall by way of Reply thus the Levites by the Offerings and Sacrifices of the Tabernacle to which they served were maintained but when the Offerings and Sacrifices of the Tabernacle ceased the maintenance of them as Ministers must be at an end Numb 18.21.31 there is no Law of right reason nor Proofs of Scripture to maintaine them as Ministers longer but approve to the contrary Heb. 13.10 Againe it was not Leavies simply as Levites did accomplish the Service of the Tabernacle but as they were Levites ministring and Leviticall Ministers that received it as the wages of their worke Num. 18.31 so saith hee are successively due to Evangelicall Pastors as Pastors not formally as Evangelicall and thus it seems he would imply a Minister to be maintained and maintenances due to them neither doing the service of the Law nor the Gospel not Levitically as serving in the Tabernacle nor Evangelically as preaching the Gospel was ever any such thing as this affirmed under the Law or spoken for in the Gospel in the least allowance of such a thing the Law was against it it was the Priests portion for his service Psal 16.4 the Apostle reprehends it Phillip 3.18 19. But his Argument would joyn a Pastor or Minister in name and maintenance by meanes in the substance together and so would contradict the wisdome of the Parliament who seeing this evill by Order declare putting it downe as in all Non-residences plurality dumb-dogges so far as God hath given them light to part of that he will have them strip the false and Anti-Christian Ministery of till God hath made her desolate and naked and because his Argument is lame and cannot stand I need not stand long to prove it to halt or not to goe Ob. It was the custome of Gods Church in all ages to pay Tythes to the Lord before the Law was written Abraham paid Tythe of all Gen. 14.20 therefore Tythes are Marrall. A. It is denied it cannot be proved to be the custome of the Church of God in all Ages before the Law to pay Tythes First this doth not prove it to instance only Abraham in his Age. 2. And that in Abraham for a Custome doth not prove it being done but once by Abraham in all his life as we can read of and to prove the morrality of Tythes being before the Law he might as well goe about to prove the same of Circumcision and of burnt-offering that these were all morrall and perpetuall as well as Tythes and plead for them to be which were before the Law as well as Tythes and observed by Abraham And for that he saith of Jacob he saith nothing to prove it for it cannot be proved that Jacob paid Tythes at all in any place and for his bringing in of Jacob now is nothing to the purpose F. Further he saith Tythes were due were paid to Milchizedech by Abraham R. This Argument hath two parts in it First Tythes were due and in this he hath recourse unto what he had said before of Jacob of whom he conceived it was Jacobs opinion that Tythes was to be paid because Jacob vowed so to doe it in which saith hee Jacob sinned against God if he did not know it pleased God that he would vow such a thing but in asmuch as he finds that Jacob did it not here he leaves him under the first charge of a rash Vow and secondly of never observing that Mr. Knutton saith was a Morrall thing by him to be observed and therefore saith he in this fourth Reason that hee might sinne yet to say something because Tythes were due and so as from Jacob here is a morrall due as if he should say but not Morrally kept ergo not so morrall in Jacobs judgement to Action Second part of the Reason and were paid to Milchizedech by Abraham here it 's paid but not as due morrall and perpetuall the dues was minded in referrence unto Jacob but paid only by Abraham to Milchizedech not in the dues morrall that part of the Reason had referrence unto Jacob and that was in referrence to opinion and not for action Ob. But Abraham paid it to Milchizedech and so Tythes ought to be paid to Christ else Christ should faile in something to be as Milchizedech was A. And so should Christ doe except only Abraham should pay it him Ob. Now Tythes being due to Christ must be paid to his servants the Ministers of the Gospel A. How doth this hold in Christ answering Milchizedech was the Tythes payed by Abraham to Milchizedech transferred by Milchizedech from him to his servants or Ministers of his there was no such thing mentioned of Milchizedech nor could be for the Priesthood nor the rights of it could not be transferred to any other if it could have been hee could not properly have been the Type of Christ his Antitipe for Christ who is the Antitipe of Milchizedech his Priesthood and the rights of it are not nor cannot be transferred over to any other Heb. 5.10 Heb. 7.24 Concerning Tythes observe these particulars 1. That Tythes Tipe or signe out to the Levites that God was their portion in Israel Num. 18.20 21.24 Josh 13.14.33 Deu. 10.8 9. 2. That it was injoyned for the Saints of the Temple and Tabernacle Num. 18.21 Heb. 7.5 3. Untill the time of Reformation Heb. 9.10 4. That this was only to continue in the Generation of the Levites till all Sacrifices and Offerings for sinne by them in the Temple and Tabernacle was put to an end by the comming of that Tabernacle pitch'd by God and not man which was Jesus Christ putting all the former Sacrifices to an end by the sacrifices of Himself the only Sacrifice for sinne Numb 18.23 24. Heb. 9.11 Heb. 10.8.9.10.11 12. Tythes not Morrall nor perpetuall and now under the Gospel not to be paid nor taken for these Reasons 1. Be cause it calls for the setting up of the Jewish Temple Tabernacle and Altar 2. Because it calls for the Priest-hood of Aaron and the Levites in their former Office to Serve 3. Because it layes a yoke of bondage upon him that paies Tythes