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A69545 The diocesans tryall wherein all the sinnewes of Doctor Dovvnhams defence are brought into three heads, and orderly dissolved / by M. Paul Baynes ; published by Dr. William Amis ... Baynes, Paul, d. 1617.; Ames, William, d. 1662. 1641 (1641) Wing B1546; ESTC R5486 91,441 102

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all the perfection of a Church I answer not taken in comparison to a Provinciall Church it is but a part and member and hath not perfection no more then a parochiall Church hath compared with a Diocesan Now followeth to answer the Arguments first proposed To the first I answer to the proposition by distinction Those who ordained that the Civita● and V●bs people taken in regard of the whole multitude of the one and locall bounds of the other should make but one Church they did institute a Diocesan church But those who so instituted a Church in Ci●y Suburbs Countrey that their number might bee compared fitly to one congregation they did not therefore ordaine a Diocesan Church Againe to the assumption But those who use City by City and Church by Church as equivalent which the Apostles doe they ordained that C●●y Suburbs and Count●y should make but one Chur●h I answer by the like distinction They who use City by City people being taken for the whole multitude within the extent of these locall bounds as equivalent with Church by Church they may be said to have ordained that city suburbs and territories should make but one Church But th●s the Apostles doe not use them as of equall signification For the City had a reason of an ample continent the Church of a thing contained These phrases are the one proper the other metonymicall and are therefore to bee expounded the one by the other Hee placed Presbyters 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lest we should understand it of the multitude and locall bounds it is said in the Acts of the Apostles that they placed them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Church by Church because Presbyters were not given but to Disciples and Christians now converted ●ut of the multitude and locall limites wherewith cities were bounded Secondly there is an adaequate acception of these phrases per accidens not because the citie and church was to make but one church but because the Christians by occasion of their number not being then too great were framed into one church or because by occasion there was yet but one church not because there was to be but one Now hee who thus us●th them promiscuously doth imply that one church was as yet constituted not that there was to be but one through the circu●t of city suburbs and countrey Thus likewise it is easi●y answered to the proofe of the proposition For thus the multitude of citizens converted and unconverted could not be a church of one congregation yet the number of those who in city suburbs and territories were actually converted was no more then might be ordered into one church and the Apostles framing these into one on the present occasion did not exclude the after constituting of any other within the same locall bounds To the second Argument and first the objection from the Nationall church of the Jewes I answer denying the assumption That the Synagogues being many made one church because they were all one Kingdome one posses●ion For thus there was one Oecumenicall church when the world was under one Emperour and of one profession It is accidentall to the unity of a Church whether the kingdome be one or no. If Israel when God had divided the kingdome into two had gone up to Hierusalem and kept there communion in the worship of that Church they had still been one Church though two Kingdomes If here were as many Kings and Kingdomes as have beene in England so many as should belong to one Provinciall Church should bee one Church though ma●y Kingdomes The truth is they were one Church because they had union and Nationall communion in the ordinances of worships which were in that one Church to which they all belonged The high Priest was their proper Priest hee made intercession for them blessed them they were not to offer any where but there If any thinke this cannot bee the cause why there were one Church under the governement of one high Priest for then should Aaron have beene as well as M●lehisedeck a type of Christs Kingly office I answer there is Priestly Prelacy and governement as well as Princely Th●y were under Aaron in the former regard in wh●ch h● was a sh●dow of Christ. To the second instance of Hierusalem we deny the proposition It might be intended for a head and mother Church in regard of order and yet not bee a Nationall Church having power over oth●rs If it should have beene a head having power accordingly as it was a mother Church it should have beene head to all the world Secondly wee deny the Assumption Th●t the Apostles ever intended that it should be a head to Christian Churches through Judea as it had beene before under the High Priest That constitution was typicall and may better plead for an universall Christian Church then for a Nationall Secondly there is not the least intimation of Scripture this way Thirdly had this D●vinity beene knowne the Fathers would not have suffered that it should have beene made a Diocesan church and subjected to Caesarea To the Prosillogisme The Church which was so numbersome that it could not meete ordinarily could not bee a Parishionall Church This was so Ergo c. To the proposition I answer That which was by inhabitants who had fixum domicilium so numbersome that it could not meete I grant it But so this was not by accident often many others were there in transitu Secondly nay wee read that they did meete ordinarily as is above said and in that deliberation about which the Church of Antioch did send to them Irenaeu● affirmeth l. 3. c. 12. Vniversam cam convenisse Luke affirmeth the same As for that of millions of beleevers it is certaine they were not fixed members of this Church For would Luke who reckoneth the growth of them to five thousand have concealed so notable accessions where by they s●y they grew up to I know not how many thousands there is no likelihood Whether therefore they were such beleevers as are mentioned Iohn 2● or whether by reason of the Passeover or Pentecost or such like feast they were in tran●tu onely there for the present How ever it is there is no likelihood that they were constant members of that Church Neverthelesse say they were more then could fitly meet yet might they be tollerated as in one Congreg●tion The Apostles seeing such times to ensue wherein many of them should translate themselves and be dispersed hither and thither God letting it grow a while more ranke and aboundant then ordinary Churches are to be because it was Ecclesiae surcularis many of whose branches were to be transplanted in their time Yea had there beene five thousand setled members we read of some ordinary Auditories sp●ken to by ordinary Pastors as great as Chrys●stome on Matth. 24. doth signifie to his esteeme th●y might be five thousand that then heard his voyce Touching the third instance As to the first reason The proposition is denyed for naming the