of the lay the bishops and the whole Conuocation withstanding that gifte with al their power I beleue it would trouble him or any wise man els to geue any good reason therefore the obedieÌ„ce of a ChristeÌ„ maÌ„ to the Catholike Church which al Christians in their Crede doe professe presupposed If I should farder aske M. Horn again how he caÌ„ goe for a bishop and write him selfe as he dothe in his booke the B. of Winchester being called to that functioÌ„ only by the letters patents of the Prince without due CoÌ„secration or imposition of handes by any Bishop or bisshops liuing which impositioÌ„ of haÌ„des S. Paule euideÌ„tly practised vpoÌ„ Timothe aÌ„d the vniuersal Church hath alwaies vsed as the only aÌ„d proper meanes to order a bishop of the Churche I am wel assured neither he nor al his fellowes being all vnordered prelats shall euer be able to make any sufficient or reasonable answer answering as ChristiaÌ„ Catholike meÌ„ whereby it may appeare that they may goe for right bishops of Christes Church but that thei must remain as they were before or mere lay men or simple priestes Last of al take you yourself in dede M. Horn for a bishop If so theÌ„ may you preache the word minister the sacrameÌ„ts bind aÌ„d lose vpoÌ„ the coÌ„missioÌ„ geueÌ„ you by God in holy scripture without any furder coÌ„missioÌ„ of the prince If you may so do theÌ„ put the case the Q. Mai. that now is or any other king or Queene of England hereafter should forbid you to preach the word to minister the sacraments or to execute any other part of the bishoply functioÌ„ â–ª and by coÌ„mmissioÌ„ appoint some other to that functioÌ„ Wil you obey or wil you not If yea theÌ„ do you forsake your duty and charge coÌ„mitted vnto you by God If not theÌ„ by vertue of this Act you incurre the penalty therof To this questioÌ„ answer M. Horn if you be able and make if you caÌ„ Christs coÌ„missioÌ„ the holy Scriptures and this Act to agree both together that the keping of the one import not the breach of thother But this shal you neuer be able to do while you liue staÌ„ding to that which in this your booke you haue coÌ„fessed Thus you see euery way how in your own sayings you are intrapped ouertakeÌ„ and coÌ„founded And so must it nedes fal out with euery maÌ„ that with any truth or ê“bability laboreth to maintain an vntruth or absurdity As for your forged and presuÌ„ptuous limitatioÌ„ vpoÌ„ the words of th' Act and abridgiÌ„g of the Q. Ma. autoriti therin expressed I leaue that mater furder to be coÌ„sidered by the graue wisdom of the most Honorables Here remain yet some vntruthes by you auouched that would be coÌ„futed which because the answer alredy waxeth prolixe and long I wil but touch The holy Gospel saith whose syns ye retain shal be retained whose syns ye lose in earth their syns shal be loosed in heaueÌ„ CoÌ„trary to the plaine words of the gospel you wil haue no actual bindiÌ„g or losing by the priest in dede but a declaratioÌ„ aÌ„d an assuraÌ„ce that they are losed or bouÌ„d coÌ„trary I say not only to the words of the gospel but also to the doctrin aÌ„d practise of the vniuersal Church wher the priest hath euer said to the peniteÌ„t Ego absoluote c. I absolue thee aÌ„d saieth not I declare and assure thee that thou art absolued This is a plaine heresy not much vnlike to the NouatiaÌ„s whoÌ„ S. Ambrose coÌ„futeth sauing that their heresy is not so large as is yours For they but in certain crimes denied power of losing in the church referring that power in such cases oÌ„ly to God You deny to be in the church any power at al either of binding or of losing referring al the power to God only aÌ„d not coÌ„sidering how God is to be praised qui taleÌ„ potestateÌ„ dedit hoiÌ„b Who gaue such power to men Which the coÌ„mon Iewes had yet the grace to coÌ„sider in the high Bishop aÌ„d chief priest Christ Iesus our Sauiour An other of your hereticall vntruthes in this place also is that you denie the sacramente of confirmation and that the holie ghoste is not geuen by the imposition of the Bisshoppes hands We reade in S Luke that Christe at his ascension promised the holy ghost to them which was performed vppon whitsonday And what was that but their confirmationÌ„ We reade that S. Paule after he had baptized certain parsons in the which baptisme no doubte they receiued the holy ghoste he put his handes vppon them and they thereby receiued the holy ghoste And this was their confirmation The like is writen in the place here by M. Fekenham alleaged of the Apostles Peter and Iohn that put theire handes vppon those that before were baptized by Philip the Deacon and they thervppon receiued the holy ghoste The which did in the primitiue Churche worke in the Christians with inuisible grace and visible miracles at the time of their confirmatioÌ„ as yt now worketh by inuisible grace onely with a strengthening and confirming of the ghostly and spiritual giftes before receiued wherof the Sacrament hath his name And therfore the Bishoppes coÌ„mission for geuing by the imposition of theire handes the holy ghoste may be iustified aswell by the former authorities of scripture as by the authority practise and doctrine of the Churche that belieueth that the holy ghoste is geueÌ„ for the encrease of al spiritual strength in confirmation The .164 Diuision pag. 109. a. M. Fekenham Wherevnto I do adioyne this obiectioÌ„ following First for the time of the old lawe whiche as Paule saide was a very figure of the new Moses Aaron Eleazarus being Priests they had by the very expresse worde of God this iurisdiction ouer the people of God as to sit in iudgement vpon them and that not only in Ecclesiasticall but also in Politike and ciuill matters and causes they did visite them they did refourme them they did order correct aÌ„d punish them so oft as cause required and without al commission of any ciuill Magistrate Gouernour Kinge or Prince Besides that for the whole time of the olde Lawe there was an expresse Law made where by all Ciuill Magistrats and Iudges were coÌ„maunded in al doubtfull matters to repaire to the Bisshops and Priests and to staie vppon their determinations and iudgemeÌ„ts without declining on the righte hande or the lefte And if that any maÌ„ should disobey the determinatioÌ„ once geuen of the Priest Morietur homo ille like as it appeareth Deut. 17. M. Horne This adiuÌ„ct vvil not serue your turn for it is not possible to stretch it vvithout bursting to ioyn with that you must conclude You begin to ioyne your vvorke together vvith a saying of S. Paule vvhich he .587 neuer said you should haue noted the place vvhere S. Paul saith that the old Lavv vvas a very figure of the nevv There is no such
not Constantines the great his example Who being an Ethnike became a Christian and to the vttermost of his power set forth Christes religion in al the Empire what then your conclusion of supreame regiment wil not necessarily folow thereof And when Eusebius calleth him as it were a common or vniuersal bishop I suppose ye meane not that he was a bisshop in dede For your self cōfesse that princes and Bisshops offices are far distincted and disseuered and that the one ought not to break in to the office of the other And if ye did so meane Eusebius himself would sone confounde yow if ye reherse Constantines whole sentence that he spake to the Bisshopes For thus he saith to the bisshops Vos quidem eorum quae intus sunt in Ecclesia agenda ego verò eorum quae extra sunt Episcopus à Deo sum constitutus You are bisshops saith he of those things that are to be don within the Churche I am bisshop of outwarde thinges Which answere of his may satisfie any reasonable man for all that ye bring in here of Constantine or al that ye shall afterward bring in which declareth him no supreme iudge or chief determinour of causes Ecclesiastical but rather the contrary and that he was the ouerseer in ciuile matters And the most that may be enferred therof is that he had the procuration and execution of Church maters which I am assured al Catholiks wil graūt But now whereas ye charge M. Fekenham partly with subtil partly with fowle shiftes this is in you surely no subtyle but a blonte and a fowle shamelesse shifte to shifte the Idols into the Image of Christe and his saints and whereas Constantine put doune the paynims Idols to make the simple belieue that the reformation which he made was such as your reformation or rather deformation is For to leaue other things to say that Constantine forbadde to set vp Images is an open and a shamelesse lye for he set vp the Crosse of Christe that is so owtragiously and blasphemously vylayned by you euery where in the steade of the idolles he decked and adorned the Churches euery where with holy Images the remembraunce of Christes incarnation and for the worship of his saints therby to sette forth the truth and the worship of God and to conuert al nations from Idolatrie and deuelishe deceite M. Horne The Diuision 21. Pag. 15. Our sauiour Christ meante not to forbidde or destroy touchinge the rule seruice and chardge of Princes in Church causes that vvhich vvas figured in the lavve or prophecied by the Prophetes For he came to fulfil or accomplish the lavve and the Prophetes by remouing the shadovve and figure and establishing the body and substance to be seene and to appere clearly vvithout any mist or darke couer yea as the povver and authoritie of Princes vvas appointed in the Lavv and Prophets as it is proued to stretch it selfe not only to ciuile causes but also to the ouersight maintenance setting foorth and furtherance of Religion and matters Ecclesiastical Euen so Christ our Sauiour .56 confirmed this their authoritie commaunding all men to attribute and geue vnto Caesar that vvhich belongeth vnto him admonishing notvvithstanding al Princes and people that Caesars authority is not infinit or vvithout limits for such authority belōgeth only to the King of al Kings ▪ but bounded and circumscribed vvithin the boundes assigned in Gods vvorde and so vvill I my vvorde to be vnderstanded vvhen so euer I speake of the povver of Princes Stapleton M. Horne goeth yet nedelessely foreward to proue that Christ did not destroy the rule of Princes in Churche causes figured in the olde Lawe and now at length catcheth he one testimonie out of the new Testament to proue his saiyng which is Geue vnto Caesar that belongeth vnto him Which place nothing at al serueth his turne but rather destroyeth I will not say any figure of the old Testament but M. Hornes foolish figuratiue Diuinitie For it is so farre of that of this place M. Horne may make any ground for the Ecclesiasticall authoritye of Princes that it doth not as much as inferre that we ought to pay so much as tribute to our Princes but only that we may paie it For the question was framed of the captious Iewes not whether they ought but whether they might lawfully paie any tribute to Caesar. Whiche was then an externall and an infidell Prince For if M. Horne will say those woordes importe a precise necessitie he shall haue muche a doe to excuse the Italians Frenchmen Spaniardes and our Nation which many hundred yeares haue paid no tribute to Caesar. But I pray you M. Horne why haue you defalked and curtailed Christes aunswere Why haue you not set forth his whole and entier sentence Geue to Caesar that belongeth to Caesar and to God that belongeth to God which later clause I am assured doth much more take away a supreme regiment in al causes Ecclesiastical then necessarily by force of any wordes binde vs to paie yea any tribute to our Prince And wil ye see how it happeneth that Hosius a great learned and a godly Bishoppe of Spaine as M. Horne him selfe calleth him euen by this verye place proueth against the Emperour Constantius and telleth it him to his face that he had nothing to doe with matters Ecclesiasticall Whose woordes we shall haue an occasion hereafter to rehearse Yea S. Ambrose also vseth the same authoritie to represse the like vsurped authoritie of Valentinian the yonger This ill happe hath M. Horne euen with his first authoritie of the new Testament extraordinarie and impertinentlie I can not tell howe chopped in to cause the leaues of his boke and his lies to make the more mouster and shew But nowe whereas this place serueth nothing for any authoritie Ecclesiasticall in the Prince and least of all for his preeminent and peerlesse authoritie in all causes Ecclesiasticall as M. Horne fansieth Yet least any man being borne doune with the great weight of so mightie a proufe should thinke the Princes power infinite M. Horne to amende this inconuenience of his greate gentlenes thought good to preuent this mischief and to admonish the Reader therof and that his meaning is not by this place to geaue him an infinite authoritie or without limites but such onely as is bounded and circumscribed within the boundes of Gods worde and least ye should mistake him he would himself so to be vnderstanded Which is for al this solemnitie but a foolish and a friuolous admonitiō without any cause or groūd ād groūded only vpō M. Horns fantistical imaginatiō and not vpon Christ as he surmiseth Who willeth that to be geauen to Caesar that is Caesars and to God that is Gods but determineth and expresseth nothing that is to be geuen to Caesar but only paiement of money And yet if we consider as I haue saied what was the question demaunded it doth not determine that neither
his own supreme Authority depose and set vp bisshops and Priests make Iniunctions of doctrine prescribe order of Gods seruice enact matters of religion approue and disproue Articles of the faith take order for administration of Sacraments commaunde or put to silence preachers determine doctrine excommunicat and absolue with such like which all are causes ecclesiastical and al apperteyning not to the inferiour ministerye which you graunt to Priestes and bisshops onely but to the supreme iurisdiction and gouernment which you doe annexe to the Prince onely This I say is the state of the Question now present For the present Question betwene you and M. Fekenham is grounded vppon the Othe comprised in the Statute which Statute emplieth and concludeth al these particulars For concealing whereof you haue M. Horne in the framing of your ground according to the Statute omitted cleane the ij clauses of the Statute folowing The one at the beginning where the Statute saith That no forayn person shall haue any maner of Authority in any spirituall cause within the Realme By which wordes is flatly excluded all the Authority of the whole body of the Catholike Church without the Realme As in a place more conuenient toward the end of the last book it shal by Gods grace be euidently proued The other clause you omitte at the ende of the said Satute which is this That all maner Superiorities that haue or maye lawfully be exercised for the visitatiō of persons Ecclesiasticall and correcting al maner of errours heresies and offences shall be for euer vnited to the Crowne of the Realme of Englande Wherein is employed that yf which God forbidde a Turke or any heretike whatsoeuer shoulde come to the Crowne of Englande by vertu of this Statute and of the Othe al maner superioritye in visiting and correcting Ecclesiastical persones in al maner matters should be vnited to him Yea and euery subiecte should sweare that in his conscience he beleueth so This kinde of regiment therefore so large and ample I am right wel assured ye haue not proued nor euer shal be able to proue in the auncient Church while ye liue When I say this kinde of regiment I walke not in confuse and general words as ye doe but I restrayne my self to the foresaid particulars now rehersed and to that platte forme that I haue already drawen to your hand and vnto the which Maister Fekenham must pray you to referre and apply your euidences Otherwise as he hath so may he or any man els the chiefe pointes of all being as yet on your side vnproued still refuse the Othe For the which doinges neither you nor any man else can iustly be greued with him As neither with vs M. Horne ought you or any mā els be greued for declaring the Truth in this point as yf we were discōtēted subiects or repyning against the obediēce we owe to our Gracious Prince and our Countre For beside that we ought absolutely more obey God then man and preferre the Truth which our Sauiour himself protested to be encouraging al the faithful to professe the Truth and geuing them to wit that in defending that they defended Christ himself before al other worldly respects whatsoeuer beside al this I say whosoeuer wil but indifferently consider the matter shal see that M. Horne himselfe in specifying here at large the Quenes Mai. gouernement by the Statute intended doth no lesse in effect abridge the same by dissembling silence then the Catholikes doe by open and plain contradiction For whereas the Statute and the Othe to the which all must swere expresseth A supreme gouernment in al thinges and causes without exception Maister Horne taking vpon him to specifie the particulars of this general decree and amplyfying that litle which he geueth to the Quenes Maiesty with copy of wordes ful statutelyke he leaueth yet out and by that leauing out taketh from the meaning of the Statute the principal cause ecclesiasticall and most necessary mete and conuenient for a Supreme Gouernour Ecclesiasticall What is that you aske Forsoth Iudgement determining and approuing of doctrine which is true and good and which is otherwise For what is more necessary in the Churche then that the Supreme gouernour thereof should haue power in al doubtes and controuersies to decide the Truthe and to make ende of questioning This in the Statute by Maister Hornes silence is not comprised And yet who doubteth that of al thinges and causes Ecclesiastical this is absolutelye the chiefest Yea and who seeth not that by the vertue of this Statute the Quenes Maiesty hath iudged determined and enacted a new Religiō contrary to the iudgement of all the Bisshops and clergy in the Conuocation represented of her highnes dominions Yea and that by vertue of the same Authority in the last paliament the booke of Articles presented and put vp there by the consent of the whole conuocation of the newe pretended clergy of the Realme and one or ij only excepted of al the pretended Bisshops also was yet reiected and not suffred to passe Agayne preachinge the woorde administration of the Sacramentes binding and loosing are they not thinges and causes mere Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall And howe then are they here by you omitted Maister Horne Or howe make you the Supreme gouernment in al causes to rest in the Quenes Maiesty yf these causes haue no place there Which is nowe better I appeale to al good consciences plainly to maintayne the Truthe then dissemblinglye to vpholde a falshood Plainly to refuse the Othe so generallye conceyued then generally to sweare to it beinge not generallye meaned But now let vs see how M. Horne wil direct his proufes to the scope appointed THE SECOND BOOKE DISPROVING THE PRETENSED PRActise of Ecclesiastical gouernement in Emperours and Princes of the first .600 yeares after Christ. M. Horne The .28 Diuision pag. 19. b. Constantinus of vvhose careful gouernmēt in Church causes I haue spoken somevvhat before tooke vpon him and did exercise the 70. supreme rule and gouernement in repressing al maner Idolatrie and false Relligion in refourming and promoting the true religion and in restreining and correcting al maner errours schismes heresies and other enormities in or about religion and vvas moued herevnto of duety euen by Gods vvorde as he him self reporteth in a vehemēt prayer that he maketh vnto God saiyng I haue takē vpō me and haue brought to passe helthful things meaning reformation of Religion being perswaded therevnto by thy word And publishing to all Churches after the Councel at Nice vvhat vvas there done he professeth that in his iudgement the chiefest end and purpose of his Imperial gouernement ought to be the preseruation of true religiō and godly quietnes in al Churches I haue iudged saith this godlye Emperoure this ought before all other thinges to be the ende or purpose wherevnto I should addresse my power and authority in gouernement that the vnitie of faith pure loue and agreemēt of religiō towardes the
books vnder paine of deathe dothe not iustifie this supremacie by you imagined This was but an outewarde execution of ciuile punishmente in the assisting of the Nicene Decrees Nowe touching that you tell vs howe Constantine licenced the Fathers to departe if he saied Gramercy moste reuerend Fathers for your great paines and trauail nowe may you in Gods name resorte to your cures and flocke God speede you God prosper your iourney And if he bare their charges too that were poore Bisshoppes as he did in case he woulde not suffer them to depart till all matters were throughlye and finallye discussed What then What supremacy maketh al this Or how is this any thing like to the Supremacy now sworen vnto M. Horne The .38 Diuision pag. 24. b. Arius countâ—â—feiting a false and a feined confession of beliefe like an hypocrite â–ª pretending to the Emperour that it vvas agreable to the faithe of the Nicene Councel humbly beseching the Emperour that he would vnit and restore him to the .96 mother Churche and therefore hauing friends in the Emperours Court as suche shall neuer vvante fautours about the best Princes vvas brought into his presence vvhom the Emperoure him selfe examined diligentlye and perceiuinge no disagreement as he thought from the agrement made in Nicene Councell .97 absolued and restored him againe vvhervnto Athanasius vvho knevv Arius throughly vvould not agree and being accused therfore vnto th'Emperour vvas charged by letters from him that he should receiue Arius vvith these threates that if he vvould not he vvould .98 depose them from his Bisshoprike and commit him to an other place The Arrians heaped vp many and horrible accusations and slaunders vpon Athanasius vvhervpon the Emperour doth summon a Councell at Tyre and sendeth commaundement by his letters â—o Athanasius that vvithout all excuse he should appeare there for othervvise he should be brought vvhether he vvould or no. He vvriteth to the CouÌ„cel his letters vvherin he declareth the causes vvhy he called that CouÌ„cel He shevved vvhat he vvould haue and vvhat they ought to do aÌ„d prescribeth vnto theÌ„ the form aÌ„d rule wherby thei shuld iudge aÌ„d determin in that Synod Athanasius appeared appealed fled to the Emperour and declared the iniuries offered against him in that Councel The Emperour tooke vpon him the hearing of the cause sent his letters to the vvhole Synod commaunding them vvithout al excuse or delay to appeare before him in his palaice and there to shevv hovv vprightly and hovve sincerely they had iudged in their Synod as I haue shevved .99 before VVherein obserue diligently that the Emperor taketh vpoÌ„ hiÌ„ and no fault found thervvith to examine and iudge of the doings of the vvhol CouÌ„cel Thus far of CoÌ„stantine and his doings in the executioÌ„ of his ministerie and especially in perfourming that part vvhich he called his best part that is his gouernement and rule in Ecclesiastical matters vvherein it is manifest that by the practise of the Catholique Churche for his time approued and commended by all the Catholique Priests and Bishops in the Nicene Councell the supreme gouernment authority and rule in ,100 all maner causes both Ecclesiasticall and Temporall vvere claimed and exercised by the Emperour as to vvhom of right suche like povver and authority belonged and appertained Stapleton Beholde nowe an other Argument of M. Hornes imagined Supremacie Arius hypocriticallye dissemblinge his heresie and pretending his faithe to be agreeable to the Nicene faith humbly besecheth Constantine to vnite and restore him to the Mother Churche And so he was absolued and restored Truely here had ye hitte M. FeckenhaÌ„ home in dede had there bene any such thing in your Authour as in dede there is not nor can be onlesse Constantine had bene also a Priest In dede he released him from exile being before circumuented by a crafty Epistle of his and Euzoius together which in wordes semed to agree with the Nicene Councell but in meaning farre disagreed Yf ye call this vniting to the Mother Church your Mother hath a faire Childe and a cunning Clercke of you And yet were ye much more cunning if ye could finde any such disordinate and folish false phrases in any mans penne sauing your owne Neither can I tell in the worlde where to find or where ye found this peuish hereticall fond phrase onlesse it were of Arius him selfe of whome ye seme to take it And yet durst not he as starke an heretik as he was to hasard so farre as ye haue done In deede in his craftie and subtile letter so ambitiously and coulourably penned that Constantine supposed it agreed very well with the very definition of the Nicene Councell in the ende thereof he made sute vnto Constantine to be receiued againe into the Catholique CoÌ„munion in these wordes speaking for him selfe and Euzoius his mate Quapropter rogamus vntri nos per pacificam Dei cultricem pietatem tuam matri nostrae Ecclesiae iubeatis Wherefore we beseche your honour being a peaceable Prince and a true worshipper of God to commaund that we may be vnited to our Mother the Church Ye see good Reader if M. Horne hath any Author who and of how good credite he is euen no better then Arius him selfe And yet in this pointe is M. Horne worse then he and corrupteth and wresteth not onely the Catholique writers but Arius wordes too For Arius doth not desire Constantine to restore him as M. Horne faineth but to geue out his commaundemente that he might be restored and by whome was that M. Horne but by the Bishoppes And this thing Constantine him selfe well vnderstode and therfore though glad to see them as he thought to haue changed their minde yet not presuming as Sozomen writeth to receiue them into the Communion of the Churche before the iudgement and allowance of mete men according to the Lawe of the Churchâ— he sent them to the Bishops assembled then for an other matter in Councell at Hierusalem that they shuld examine his and his coÌ„panions faith Et clementem super eis sententiam proferrent and that they shoulde geue a merciful iudgement vpon them yf they did truely repent Ruffine also writeth agreable vnto this adding so that Alexander the Bisshop did therto assente Eusebius and other dissembling Catholik bisshops which were in hart Arians stil as it did afterward appere forthwith in the Councel receiued Arius into their communion But when he came to Alexandria he could not ther be receiued The Catholike bisshop Alexander of Alexandria yet liuing would not admit him Then remayning there a long tyme as excommunicated he desired saieth Theodoret to be by some meanes restored again and beganne to counterfeite the Catholike But when Alexander his bisshop and Athanasius his successor could not be so circumuented he attempted ones again the Emperours fauour And so by the means of Eusebius of Nicomedia an ArriaÌ„ bisshop in hart he was brought to the Courte
that the Bishops would not assemble onlesse th'Emperour would be there personally for feare of seditiō and tumult of Eutyches disciples It was therfore translated to Chalcedo being nigh to Constantinople that the Emperour might be there the more cōmodiously And so that which was done by the good Emperor to assure ād honour th'Eclesiastical authority ye turne it to the hinderance and derogation of it But in the supplicatiō of Eusebius which you haue put so at large in your booke it is a world to see how vntruly you haue dealt partly with nipping of sentences in the midst partly with false translation First you leaue out at the very begīning of the Bishops supplication wherin he shortly declareth the whole effect of his request saiyng The entēt and purpose of your clemency is to prouide for all your subiects and to helpe all that are iniuriously oppressed but especially such as beare the office of Priesthod By this beginning it appereth the Bishop requested onely the Emperours external and ciuill power for redresse and help against iniuries And because this should not so appere you thought good to leaue it quite out Againe in the processe where the sayed Bisshoppe saieth Prostrate we beseech your clemencie that ye will commaund Dioscorus to answere to the matters we shall obiect against him It fololoweth which you leaue out the euidences of his doinges against vs being read in this Councell by which words the bishop required the Councel to be his Iudge not the Emperor and least that shuld appere you leaue it out At the end where the latine hath perferre ad scientiam vestrae pietatis omnia quae geruntur you turne it to make relation of all thin-that are don to be iudged where you haue put in these words to be iudged of your own liyng liberality more then your latine hath and al to persuade that the bishoppe requested here the Emperoure to be the Iudge betweene Dioscorus and him Which if ye had put in the whole wordes of your Author would haue easely appeared nothing so but rather the contrarye as by the places by you omitted and nowe by me expressed the circumspect Reader may sone perceiue Thus like as your doctrine so is your manner of writing false vnperfect and vntrue Againe in all this tale Maister Horne though you tell vs at large howe the Emperoures Marcian and Valentinian sente their letters of Summons to all Bisshoppes commaunding them c. Yea adding threattes and punishmentes to those that refused to come at appointmente Yet you tell vs nothing that the Emperoure firste wrote vnto Pope Leo and obteined his consente and Authoritye And then that in his letters of Summones to al Bishops certified them expressely of the Popes pleasure and last of all that the Popes Legates required the Emperours to be presente personallye at the Councell or els they woulde not come there them selues All this yow lette passe In deede it maketh not for yow But it sheweth against yow and for vs very well and plainely that the supreme summon and citing of the bishops to that general Councel yea and the Emperours owne presence there proceded directlye and principally from the Pope and his Legats It declareth well the Popes supremacy in that affaire as we shal in many other moe pointes decypher vnto yow anon more at large Neyther doth the Emperour vse in his letters of Sūmon the wordes of commaundemente but saith Venire dignemini Vouchesafe ye to come And againe Adhortamur we exhort you to come This was the practise of Emperours as I haue noted before out of Cusanus by the way of exhortation to call Councels not by forceable cōmandement by threates and punishmēt as you vntruely report M. Horne The .48 Diuision pag. 31. b. The Emperour assigneth Iudges and 143. rulers in the Sinode about .24 of the chiefest of his Nobles and Senatours After al the Bishoppes and the Iudges vvere assembled in the councell house vvhiche vvas in S. Euphemies Church the Emperour Martianus vvith Pulcheria entreth in amongst them and maketh an Oration vnto the vvhole Councel to this effecte First he declareth vvhat zeale and care he hath for the maintenance and furtherance of true Religiō Then he shevveth that partely the vanitie partely the auarice of the teachers had caused the * discorde and errour in Religion He addeth the cause vvherefore he chardged them vvith this trauaile And last of all he .144 prescribeth a fourme after vvhich they must determine the matters in controuersy This done the Iudges sate doune in their places and the Bisshoppes arovve some on the right hand and others on the left hande And vvhan that Dioscorus vvas accused and the Iudges vvilled him to vse his lavvfull defence there began to be amōgst the Bisshops vvhote scholes vvanting some modesty vvherefore the Iudges at the first stayed them vvith milde vvordes VVilling them to auoide confusion but being earnest they ouershot the modesty of so graue men vvherefore the honourable Iudges and Senate of the Laity appointed by the Emperour did reproue them saying These popular acclamations neither becommeth Bisshoppes neither yet helpe the parties be ye quiet therefore and suffer all thinges to be rehersed and heard in order with quietnes VVhen the Iudges and Senate had duely examined the causes they gaue .145 sentence to depose Dioscorus and others So that this their iudgement semed good to the Emperour to whom they referred the whole matter The .13 Chapter Of the Chalcedon Councell and how the Emperour with his deputies dealed therin Stapleton WE are now in order come to the Coūcel of Chalcedo the actes whereof being very long and tedious the leaues in the great volume rising to the number of one hundred and more M. Horne hath here and there pried out good matter as he thinketh to depresse the Popes primacie withal Wherein he so handleth himselfe that he semeth to me for many causes neuer to haue read the acts but to haue taken things as they came to his handes ministred by his friends or by his Latine Maisters Ones this is sure that for some of his allegations a man may pore in the booke til his eies dasel againe and his head ake ere he shal find them and in such prolixitie of the matter when he hath found them and well weighed them a man would thinke that M. Horne had either lost his wits or els were him selfe a sleape when he wrote those arguments or els which is worst of al that he was past al shame and grace For as ye saw good Readers the Ephesine so shall ye now see the Councell of Chalcedo by no cleare candle or torche but all in a darke horne Wherein he playeth like a false wilie marchaunte that will not shewe his wares but in a darke shoppe But by Gods helpe I shall bring his naughty marchādise into the bright shining light that al men may openly at the eye see al the leudnes of it
And to begyn with the first action of the said Councel and to followe M. Hornes steppes with a litle tracing ther sterteth vp at the first I will speake with the least a brace of lyes besyde other vaine and impertinent talke Of hys Iudges whereby he woulde haue the Reader to thinke that these noble men were Iudges in the decision and determination of matters ecclesiastical he commeth altogether to short as ye shal anon vnderstande And therefore this shall be the first lye The second lye is that he saieth The Emperour prescribed a forme after which they muste determine the matters in controuersie For in al the Actes of that Councell there appeareth no such fourme or prescription made It is vsual with M. Horne in euery Councel to report such a prescription But as he hath often saied it so hath he not once proued it or shewed it by any one Authority but his owne which is a singular authoritye to lye as lewedly allmost as M. Iewell Yet to bleare the Readers eye and to seame handsomly to furnish his matter by some president and example he layeth forth for his proufe that these Iudges gaue sentence to depose Dioscorus the Patriarche of Alexandria and others This is alltogether false For firste they were no competent and ordinary Iudges being mere laye men especially in causes ecclesiastical to depose a Bishoppe Secondlye puttyng the case they had bene lawefull and ordinarye Iudges yet was yt no finall and iudiciall sentence For a final sentēce must decide and determine the matter by an absolut cōdemnatiō or absolution which was not done here this pretensed sentence being as your selfe write cōditional So that this their iudgment semed good to the Emperour to whom they referred the whole matter And here by the waye falleth out an other vntruth for the Nobles them selues doe not cal this saying a Iudgemēt but say yt semeth vnto vs iust Which words by lawe importe no final iudgemēt Fourthly and laste this was no iudgemente neither was Dioscorus deposed here in this action for in the beginning of the next action the Iudges confesse that sentence was not yet geuen vppon Dioscorus but in the thirde action and that not by theis Iudges as ye cal them but by Pope Leo his deputies and the residew of the Bishoppes without any referring of the matter to th' Emperor as the Iudges doe here The rest ye talk of in this place is of no weight and yf it weyeth anie thing yt weieth against you as Marcians oration whych tendeth to this that in new questions and dissensions of religion we must haue a speciall regard to the doctrine teaching and writing of the former fathers and coūcels which rule and forme of Iudgemēt prescribed by him you quit left out as a rule in dede importing a plaine destructiō of your new gospel Now if the making of an oration by a lay man imploieth any authority voice or iuriseictiō in the Coūcell then were many lay men the ambassadours for their Princes that made orations there yea and found many faultes to in the Church and desired the reformation of them members and Iudges of the late Councel of Trent which is notoriously false and so is that also that ye write of the noble men at Chalcedo And whereas they founde faulte wyth the populare acclamations of the Bishoppes which of a great zele to the catholik faith cried out against Dioscorus and other that deposed the godly Bishop Flauianus and that they would not receiue Theodoretus nor heare such matters as he had to propose because he for the time helde against Cyrillus and other Catholikes and that these noble men endeuoured to set an order and quietnes among them doth plainly shew wherein these noble mens office did rest as nothing touching the definition of anye matter spiritual but to prouide that al things might be don with order indifferency and quietnes For if a man consider what disorder tumulte crueltie yea and murder too fell in the second Ephesin Councell whiche customably is rather called a Conuenticle and a cōspiracy for the maintenaunce whereof ye make Theodosius a very godly Emperour and how that Dioscorus and his cōfederats would not suffer the Catholique Bishops Notaries as the manner was to write the actes there done but thrusted them out and put in Notaries of his owne at his pleasure howe he came to the other notaries and brake their wrytinges and fingers to howe that he forced the bishops to subscribe to a blanke that is in cleane paper wherein nothyng was writen howe that Dioscorus would not suffer the epistle of Leo the Pope sent to the Councel to be read and finally howe that he slewe the blessed Bishop Flauianus he that I say cōsidereth and wel weigheth the premisses and that a great numbre of those schismatical bishops were also with Dioscorus at Chalcedo shal sone perceue what nede there was of these noble mens assistance that they might wel haue to doe there thoughe not in ruling and iudging any spiritual matter yet in the indifferent ruling and direction of the Catholike Bishopes external doings and to see that al things might procede with quietnesse and without parcialitie Which answere ones made will serue also for many other General Councels But what a wicked Cham are you M. Horne that reueale to the common people in your vulgare bookes the faults and disorders of your most holy and reuerent Fathers the Fathers of so famous and so learned a Councell Verely Constantine the Greate that noble Emperour would cast his Imperiall garment he said to hyde a Bisshops faulte if by chaunce he should see any And becommeth it your vocation bearing the roume of a Bisshop your self to tel the people of the Bisshops whot scholes of their want of modestie and of ouershoting them selues You a Bishop of Gods Church Nay your sprit sheweth it selfe more bucherly then Bishoply and as mete to carie a rake as a Rochet M. Horne The .49 Diuision pag. 32. a. In the next action the Iudges and Senate after rehersall made vvhat vvas done before dooe propounde vnto the Synode vvhat matters vvere novv to be consulted of and vvilleth them to make a pure exposition of the faith and that vvithout any sinister affection declaring that the Emperour and they did firmely kepe and beleue according to the faith receiued in the Nicen Councel vvherevnto the Bisshops also accorde and saith that noman maketh or may attempt to make any other exposition Certaine of the Synode desired to heare the Symbol of the Nicen Councel recited which the Senate and Iudges graunted vnto them Stapleton By this also it may easely be sene wherein the duety and office of these Ciuil Magistrats did stād videl to see the Bishops requests of reading this booke or that booke this euidence or that euidence put in execution And so it maketh rather against M. Horne then with him M. Horne The .50 Diuision Pag. 32. a. After
that it vvas agreed vpon by the vvhole Synode that Dioscorus should be deposed the Synode vvriteth vnto the Emperours Valentinianus and Martianus saiyng in this fourme Grieuous diseases neadeth both a stronge medicine and a wise Physition For this cause therfore the Lord ouer al hath appointed your godlines as the best and chiefe Phisition ouer the diseases of the whole world that you should heale them with fitte medicines And you most Christian Emperours receiuing commaundemeÌ„t froÌ„ God aboue other men haue geuen competent diligence for the churches framing a medicine of coÌ„cord vnto the Bishops .147 This thus in vvay of Preface said they declare vvhat they haue done touching Dioscorus they shevve the cause and reasons that moued them thervnto both that the Emperour shoulde consider his vvickednesse and also the sinceritie of their sentence Stapleton Now loe M. Fekenham must nedes yeld and geue ouer For euen the whole CouÌ„cel to the number of .630 Bishops doth confesse saith M. Horne the princes supremacy in causes ecclesiastical it is wel it is not yet in al causes Ecclesiastical And therefore this note is fastened in the Margente as it were with a tenpeny naile and yet al not worth a hedlesse pinne For I beseech you Maister Horne howe can this notable conclusion of yours take anye anker holde of any saiyngs of the Councell by you here alleaged How farre and how deaply your sharpe sight can pearce I know not But for my part I must confesse my selfe so blind that I can see no cause in the world why ye should furnish your margent with such a iolie note Wel I perceiue euery maÌ„ can not see through a milstone But yet eyther my sight and my braine to faileth mee or all this great prouf standeth in this that the Councell calleth the Emperours the best and chiefe physitions ouer the disseases of the world for framing a medicine of concorde to the Bisshops By my trowth it is wel and worshipfully concluded and ye were worthy at the least to be made a poticarie for your labour Sauing that it is to be feared if ye shuld procede on the body as ye doe nowe with the soule ye woulde kil manie a poore mans bodie with your olde rotten drugges as ye do now kill many a sowle with your pestiferous poysoned drawght of heretical potions they take at your hands But nowe to answere to you and to your so farre fette phisike I pray yow M. Horne why doe ye cut of the tayle of your owne tale Why do ye not suffer the fathers to speake their whole mind And to ruffle a litle in M. Iewells rhetorycke what were the fathers stayed with the choygnecoughe and forced to breake of they re matter and tale in the myddest Mark well gentle reader and thow shal see the whole CouÌ„cel of .630 bisshops set to schole and kept in awe and not suffred to vtter one worde more then M. Horne will geue them leaue For the next wordes that immediatly followe in the same matter are these Pontificibus coÌ„cordiae medicinaÌ„ machinantes vndique enim nos congregantes omne commodastis auxilium quatenus factae interimantur discordiae paternae fidei doctrina roboretur For yow say the fathers to the Emperours assembling vs from all places haue holpen al that may be to pacify and kil these diuisions and dissensions and that the fayth and doctrine of our fathers may be strenghthened What worde is here M. Horne that any thing towcheth your purpose Here is nothing but that the couÌ„cel was assembled by their good help which as I haue often declared serueth not your turne to make them supreame heads Nowe because throwgh their meanes the Councell came together in the whiche a quietnesse was set in religion the Councell calleth them physitions yea and the chiefe as they were chiefe in dede in respecte of their cyuill authoritie wherewythe they did assiste the Councel and did helpe by this ministerie of theirs not by anie iudicial sentence or other Ecclesiasticall acte which ye shal neuer shewe to quiet and pacefie the greate dissensions then raigning and raging And so were they phisitions in dede but the outwarde not the inward phisitions The fathers were the inwarde phisitions They made the verye potion for the disease And because we are ons entred into the talke of phisitions they were the very phisitions of the sowle The scripture saieth of the king regem honorificate honour the kinge yt saieth also of the phisition honora medicum Honour the phisition But what sayeth yt of the prieste The priestes sayeth S. Paule that gouuerne well are worthy of double honour againe obeye your rulers meaninge the Ecclesiasticall rulers for they watche to geue a reckoning for your sowles And the Ecclesiasticus sayeth humble thy sowle to the preste So that ye may see M. Horne the priestes to be the true and highest phisitions as farre passing and exceding the other physitions as the sowle passeth and excedeth the bodie and then must the spirituall primacye nedes remayne in them And that doe these Iudges here euen in this Action expressely proteste and confesse against you For they say touching the point of doctrine then in question Quod placuit reuerendo Concilio de sancta fide ipsum nos doceat Let the Reuerend Councel it selfe teach vs and infourme vs what is their pleasure touching the holy faith You see here they toke no suprem gouernemente in this cause ecclesiastical in determining I say the true faith as you will make Princes beleue they may and ought to doe they yet being the Emperours deputies but lerned humbly of the holy Councel what their determination in such matters was Thus at the length your great mighty â—ost is thwyghted to a pudding pryck Neither shal ye be able of al theis .630 bishops to bring one that mayntained your pretensed supremacy And when he proueth yt to you good reader by theis 630. bisshops or by anie one of them I dare say M. FekeÌ„ham wil take the oth and so wil I to For it is as true as the nobles gaue senteÌ„ce to depose Dioscorus and others Who is not as yet deposed and that wil I proue by M. Horne him self who sayth that in this actioÌ„ the whole synode agreed that Dioscorus should be deposed and so ful pretely doth he cal back that he sayd not fyftene lynes before and proueth him self against him self that their saying was no sentence M. Horne 51. Diuision Pag. 32. b. In the fourth Action vvhen the rehearsall of al things passed before vvas done the Iudges and Senate asketh if all the Bisshops agree vvhervnto they ansvvered yea yea The Synode had requested the Iudges and the Senate to make suite to the Emperour for fiue Bisshops vvhich othervvise .148 must be deposed as vvas Dioscorus vvhich they did and made this relation vnto the Synode That the Emperour perceiuing the humble suite of the Synod doth licence them to determine
of S. Augustyne that thys was the gwise and fasshion of the anciente Church The lyke sleight M. Horne vseth touching pilgrimage the whiche his owne canon highly comendeth thowghe full wisely and discreetly yt preuenteth and reformeth some abuses Wherfore ye shall heare the whole canon I will shifte no worde but only froÌ„ Latyn into the english In the former canoÌ„ the couÌ„cel forbadde that priests shuld goe on pilgrimage without the coÌ„sent of their Bishoppe to Rome or to Towres a towne in France where at the tombe and reliques of blessed S. Martyn innumerable miracles were donne and wrowght as amonge other Gregorius Turonensis Bishop there and a faythfull reporter not by vncerteyne hearesay but by presente eiesight moste fully declareth The whiche holy reliques the hugonotes of late in FraÌ„ce haue with moste vilany dishonored and consumed After which inhibition it followeth For say the Fathers some meÌ„ which vnaduisedlie vnder the cowlour of prayer goe in pilgrimage to Rome to Towres and other places doe erre very much There are priestes and Deacons and other of the Clergie which liuing dissolutely thinke them selues to be purged of their sinnes and to dooe their office if they ones come to the foresaid places There are neuerthelesse laye menne whiche thinke they haue freelye sinned or may freely sinne because they frequente these places to make their prayers in There be some Noble men which to scrape and procure mony vnder the pâ—etence of their pilgrimage to Rome or to Towres oppresse many poore men and that which they doe vpon couetousnesse only they pretend to doe for prayers sake and for the visiting of holy places There are poore men which doe this for no other intent but to procure to them selues a greater occasioÌ„ to begge Of this number are they that wandering hither and thither faine neuerthelesse that they goe thither or that are so foolisshe that they thinke they are by the bare view of holie places purged of their sinnes not considering that saying of S. Hierome It is not praise worthiâ— to hâ—ue seene Hierusalem but to haue liued vertuouslie at Hierusalem Of all whiche things lette vs looke for the iudgemente of our Emperoure howe they maye be amended But those who haue confessed themselues to their parrissh Priestes and haue of them taken counsell how to doe penance if imploying them selues to praier and almes geuing and to the refourming of their life and maners they desire to goe on Pilgrimage to Rome or els where are of allmen to be commended for their deuotion The Fathers also desire the Emperours healpe and assistaunce not his Order as you vntruely reporte for publique peÌ„naunce Beside if it had pleased you yee mighte haue caste in also a woorde or twoo more Vt secundum ordinem Canonum pro merito suo excommunicetur That accordinge to the order of the Canons he may according to his deserts be excommunicated And now good Reader iudge thou how truely how wisely or how to his purpose this gere is brought furth of M. Horne and what a singular good grace this man hath so wel to plead against him selfe and his fellowes for the Catholiques And nowe would I be in hande with Leo sauing that Maister Hornes Marginall Note seemeth to take me by the hand and to staie me a while And yet we wil foorth with shake him of and desire Maister Horne to ouersee his text ones againe and to square his Note to his Texte and not his text after his peruerse and preposterous order to his note I say then M. Horne ye haue no words nor mater in your text to cal Carolus Magnus Gouernour in Ecclesiastical causes and because beside your Note Marginall ye note the matter also so fast in your text which is not in the Fathers text saying the Fathers saye in playne speach that he was ruler of the Church in Ecclesiasticall causes I wil note as fast as you and that is your one false lying in your text and the other in the margent Onles ye may by some new Grammar and like Diuinitie proue that in seruitio suo in his seruice is Englished also In ecclesiastical matters You tell vs farder M. Horne that in this Councell of Ments the States were diuided The Bisshoppes and secular Priestes by them selues The Abbottes and Religious by them selues But you tell vs not wherein euery State was occupied and busied in that Councell That in deede made not for you The Councel then saith In prima turma consederunt Episcopi c. In the first rewe sate the Bisshops with their Notaries reading and debating vppon the holy Ghospel the Canons of the Church diuers works of the holy Fathers and namely the Pastoral of S. Gregory searching and determining thereby that which belonged to holsome doctrine and to the state of the Church In the seconde rew sate the Bisshops and approued Monks hauing before them the rule of S. Benet and seking therby to better the life of Monks to encrease their godly conuersation In the third rew sate the Laye Nobilitie and Iudges But what to doe M. Horne To conclude of matters of ReligioÌ„ as the laie Burgeses and GeÌ„tlemen do in our ParliameÌ„ts No no Neque nos neque Ecclesia Dei taleÌ„ consuetudineÌ„ habemus Neither we nor the Church of God haue any such custom or maner But there thei sate In mundanis legibus decertantes c. Debating in worldly lawes searching out Iustice for the people examininge diligently the causes of all that came and determining Iustice by al meanes that they could Thus were the States in that Councel diuided vnder that Noble Emperour Charlemain And what could this Note helpe you M. Horne or relieue you except it were that you would geue a preuy nippe to the order of late Parliaments where the laie not onely of the Nobilitie but euen of the Commons whose sentences in treatie of Relligion neuer sence Christe suffred were euer hearde or admitted doe talke dispute yea and conclude of Religion and that in the highest and most secrete mysteries thereof to the consequente of a Generall alteration You woulde no doubte as gladdelie as Catholiques haue the treatie and decision of suche matters in youre owne handes onely as in deede all Protestauntes beside you Caluin Melanchthon the Magdeburgenses with the reste doe expresselye teache as I haue bothe in this booke and otherwhere declared But this is the difference You are miserable clawbackes and as Caluin writeth to extolle the Ciuill Magistrate you spoyle the Churche of her dewe Authoryte But the Catholikes thinke it not mete to flatter in ReligioÌ„ But to geue that which is Cesars to Cesar and that which is Gods to God Excepete we shoulde saye that now you will haue Religion decided in parliament and when the Prince shall otherwise be affected you will not haue it so decided and that your Religion is Ambulatoria a wandring and a walking Religion teaching one thinge to day and an other to
In the firste Action the Popes letters to the Emperour were reade wherein he condemneth the former Synode vnder Michael and willeth that all the monimentes and recordes thereof be burnte In the beginninge also of this Synode the Emperour Basilius made an Oration to the Synode declarynge wythe what Zeale and loue to the vnytye of God his Churche he hadde called them together exhortinge them in many wordes to concorde and agreement Confessing also that they Potestatem Synodici iudicij diuinitus acceperunt haue receyued from God not by any his commission the power and authoryte to iudge in Synods He addeth farder that though he doubted not but that they were altogether such as zealed the truth and folowed righteousnes yet saieth he to th entent that it may appeare that our Imperial maiesty secundùm datam sibi potestatis mēsuram in ecclesiasticis negotijs nihil tacuisse eorum quae debent atque conueniunt hath not in ecclesiastical matters cōcealed any thinge of that which is dewe and conuenient according to the measure of power geuen vnto her deposcimus religionem vestram c. We beseche your religion or godlynes to ouercome nowe al affection of partialyte and hatred and to resemble as much as is possible the immutable and vnchangeable nature of God who neuer respecteth the person c. In this Oratiō of the Emperour three things I woulde you should note and beare well away M. Horne First that the bishops by his confessiō haue power from God to iudge and determine in Coūcels Their power and Authoryty herein procedeth not of the Princes commission as a supreme gouernour next vnto God aboue the bishops in ecclesiastical matters but frō God him self saieth this Emperour Secōdly that thēmperours power is a limited power not the chief Supreme ād the highest in all maner causes ād thinges Thirdly howe it is limited Forsothe not to commaunde or prescribe to the bisshops what they shall doe decree or determine in ecclesiastical matters but to exhorte them to concorde and vnyty in the same In the seconde Action diuerse of the Photians offering vp their libelles of repentaunce to the Synod not to themperour or his deputyes were by the Synod with impositiō of handes reconciled In the third and fourthe Actions diuers letters were reade as wel of Michael and Basilius Emperours to the Popes Nicolaus and Adrian as also of the Popes to them againe touching the condemnation of Photius intruded by Michael and the restoring agayne of Ignatius In the fifte Action Photius was brought in and the popes letters conteyninge his condemnation reade before him vnto the which the whole Synod cryed Recipimus haec omnia c. We receaue al these thinges bicause they are agreable to reason and to the ecclesiasticall rules and lawes In that action also the Popes legates are called the presidents of the Councell In the sixt Action the Photians appearing agayne and being moued as well of the whole Synod as of the Emperour to repentaunce they yet perseuered obstinately in their schisme Wherupon the Emperour gaue them seuen dayes of deliberation after which time if they were not in the meane while recōciled he bad them appeare againe saying Ventura sexta feria in sancta vniuersali Synodo state omnes quicquid definierit vniuersa Synodus fiet The next Friday be you here present in the holy and vniuersal Synod ād whatsoeuer the vniuersal Synod shal define or cōclude that shal be done where agayne you see the Emperour iudgeth not in the matters then in hand but the Coūcel Yea he saieth plainely that the restoring of Ignatius was not his doing or his deuise But that longe before the most holy and most blessed pope Nicolaus examining the matter thouroughly decreed by Synod that he should be restored to the right of his See agayne and together with the holy Romayn Churche pronounced Anathema to all suche that should resiste that decree and sentence And we knowing this before saieth the Emperour fearinge to haue the iudgement of the Curse promulged Obsecundare Synodico iudicio Romanae ecclesiae necessarium duximus huius rei gratia reddidimus ei proprium thronum We haue thought it necessary to obeye the Synodicall Iudgement of the Churche of Rome and for that cause we haue restored vnto him his owne See Of such Authoryty was the Sentence of the Churche of Rome with the Emperour of the East Churche in those dayes In the same action he saieth yet farder Hoc solum nostrum est si voluerit quis nominare crimina Alia verò omnia Canonibus his quibus imperiū Synodi creditū est tradimus This only is our parte to do if any man will bring forth any crimes or make anye accusation to see it put vp to the Councell c. But all other thinges we leaue to the Canons and to them to whome the Rule of the Synode is cōmitted that is to bishoppes as we hearde him before saie vnto them Thus muche in that Action In the seuenth Action Photius appearinge agayne Marinus one of the legates commaunded his staffe to be taken from him because it was a token of his bisshoplye estate and dignyte In this Action as Cusanus recordeth Bahanis the Emperours Lieutenant had much talke withe the Photyans Hortatoriè by the waye of exhortation mouinge them to vnytie and repentaunce The onely shifte of the Photyans was to say that the legates of the Patriarches there present did not their commission but condemned them cōtrary to the Patriarches own willes and Iudgementes Vpon this the Emperour offred them that whosoeuer would stand by that surmise should by his prouision be sent to the Patriarches them selues as to Rome to Antyoche and to Hierusalem and lerne of them the truthe But they refused to doe so At the length the Emperour seing them obstinat and full of words to no purpose sayed to them Omnes nouimus quòd laici estis non adduximus vos latrare sine ordine facere verba We knowe all that you are but laye men And we brought you not hither to barke and to talke out of order But the Emperour saieth Cusanus called them therefore laye men because they were all ordered of Photius who him selfe was no bisshop Such are you and all your felowes M. Horne no bishops at all but mere laye persons ordered of none at all that was him selfe ordered And whereas one of the Photians Eulapius by name beganne to talke with the Emperour the legates of the See Apostolike sayed Eulapius is condemned and excommunicated of the See Apostolike and therefore the Emperour ought not to talke with him Then the Emperour sayed I haue oftentimes and much desired that they might not perish And therefore I called them hither but if they will not returne to the Church whatsoeuer the Patriarches shall iudge of them they shall will they nill they stande vnto it For no man can reiecte the power that is geuen to
promising by othe to Aldrede Archbisshop of Yorke that crouned hiÌ„ at S. Peters alter in Westminster before the clergy and the people that he would defende the holye Churches and their gouernours But tel your readers good M. Horn I beseche you why that King WilliaÌ„ contrary to the auncieÌ„t order vsed euer before and since was not crowned of Stigandus theÌ„ liuing and being Archbishop of Canterbury but of the bishop of York Yf ye can not or wil not for very shame to betraie your cause tel you reader then wil I do so much for you Forsoth the cause was that the Pope layde to his charge that he had not receiued his palle canonically The said Stigandus was deposed shortly after in a Councell holden at Winchester in the presence of .ij. Cardinals sent froÌ„ Pope Alexander the .2 and that as Fabian writeth for thre causes The first for that he had holden wroÌ„gfully the bisshoprik whyle Robert the Archbishop was liuing The second for that he had receyued the palle of Benett bishop of Rome the fifth of that name The third for that he occupied the said Palle without liceÌ„ce and leful authority of the court of Rome Your author Polychronicon writeth in the like effect Neubrigensis also newly priÌ„ted toucheth the depositioÌ„ of this StigaÌ„dus by the Popes Legat in EnglaÌ„d aÌ„d reporteth that the Popes Legat Canonically deposed him What liking haue you now M. Horne of KiÌ„g WilliaÌ„s supremacy Happy are you with your fellowes the protestaÌ„t bishops and your two Archbisshops that the said WilliaÌ„ is not now king For if he were ye se cause sufficieÌ„t why ye al shuld be depriued aswel as StigaÌ„dê° And yet ther is one other thiÌ„g worse thaÌ„ this and that is schisme and heresy Who woulde euer haue thought good reader that the Pope should euer haue found M. Horne him selfe so good a proctour for the Papacy againste him self and his fellowes For lo this brasen face which shortly for this his incredible impudency will be much more famouse then freer Bacons brasen head of the which the schollers of Oxforde were wonte to talke so much doth not blushe to tel thee good reader to his owne confusion of the Popes Legates and the Councell kepte at Winchester And al this is ye wotte wel to shewe that Kinge William was supreme head in al causes as wel temporall as spiritual Then doth he pleade on foorth full lustely for the Pope for Kinge William heareth a certayne Ecclesiasticall matter beinge in controuersie and dependinge in the Popes cowrte betwene the Archebisshop of Yorke and the Archebisshop of Caunterbury the which cause the Pope had remitted to be determined by the King and the bishops Well said M. Horne and like the Popes faithfull proctour For hereof followeth that the Pope was the supreame head and iudge of the cause And the Kinge the Popes Commissioner by whose commaundemeÌ„t the cause was sent ouer to be heard in EnglaÌ„d And yet was Hubertus the Popes Legat present at the end this notwithstaÌ„ding M. Horne would now belike make vs belieue that King William also thrusted out Abbats and supressed Monasteries when yt pleased him For he telleth vs that by the KiÌ„gs iudgement Abbat Thurstan was chaunged and his monks scattered abrode but he had forgotte to set in also that his authour and others say that it was for slaying of certayne of his monkes and wounding of certayne other The monks also had hurt many of his men And your author of the PollichronicoÌ„ telleth that these moÌ„ks were scattered abrode by the kiÌ„gs hest by diuers bisshopriks and abbays which latter words ye leue out As also you do in your Author FabiaÌ„ who saith not they were scattred about as you reporte as though they had bene scattred out of their coates as of late dayes they were but he saieth they were spred abrode into diuers houses through Englande so that they chaunged but their house not their Religion And so this was no spirituall matter that the kinge did neither gaue he herein any iudgement in any spirituall cause Nowe if all other argumentes and euidences fayled vs to shewe that kinge William toke not him self for supreame gouernour in all maner causes as you moste vntruely and fondly auouche we might well proue it againste yowe by the storie of Lanfranke whome kinge William as ye confesse made archebishop of Canterburie Though according to your olde manner ye dissemble aswell the depryuation of Stigandus in whose place the king set Lanfranke as that Lanfranke receyuid his palle from Rome and acknowledged not the kinge but the pope for supreame head of the Church Which thing doth manifestly appeare in his learned boke he wrote againste your greate graundsier Berengarius Who as ye doe nowe denied then the transubstantiation and the real presence of Christes bodie in the Sacramente and called the Churche of Rome which had condemned his heresie as ye vse to doe the Church of the malignante the councell of vanitye the see of Sathan To whome Lanfrancus answereth that there was neuer anie heretyke anie schismatyke anie false Christian that before hym had so wyckedly babled againste that see And sayth yet farder in an other place of the sayd boke Quotquot a primordio Christianae Ecclesiae Christiani nominis dignitate gloriati sunt etsi aliqui relicto veritatis tramite per deuia erroris incedere maluerunt sedem tamen sancti Petri Apostoli magnificè honorauerunt nullamque aduersus eam huiusmodi blasphemiam vel dicere vel scribere praesumpserunt Whosoeuer from the begynning of Christes Church were honored with the name of ChristeÌ„ meÌ„ though some forsaking the Truth haue gone astray yet they honoured much the See of Peter neyther presumed at any time either to speake or to write any such blasphemy He saieth also that the blessed Fathers doe vniformly affirme that maÌ„ to be an heretike that doth dissent from the RomaÌ„ and vniuersal Church in matter of faith But what nede I lay furth to thee good Reader LanfraÌ„ks learned books or to goe from the matter we haue in hand ministred to vs by M. Horne coÌ„cerning this matter sent to be determined before the King Such as haue or can get either PolychronicoÌ„ or FabiaÌ„ I would wish them to see the very place and thaÌ„ wil they meruail that M. Horne would for shame bring in this matter agaiÌ„st the Popes primacy for the confirmation wherof ye shal find in LaÌ„franks reasoning before the King for his right vpoÌ„ the church of York somthing worth the noting for the Popes primacy Beside this he writeth that Lanfrank was a man of singular vertue coÌ„stancy and grauity whose helpe and couÌ„sel for his affaires the King chiefly vsed And therfore your coÌ„clusion that ye inferre of such premisses as ye haue specified which as I haue shewed do not impugne but establish the popes primacy is a very fond folish and false coÌ„clusion It appeareth well both
vntrue that he bringeth in Lotharius to confirme that which Speculatour said For he intreateth of Lotharius before he alleageth Speculator and doth not alleage Lotharius for that purpose ye speake of Fiftly and last Lotharius is not as ye pretende of this mynde that all iurisdiction cometh of the secular Prince For Lotharius meaneth not of the clergies iurisdiction which cometh not of the Prince but of the iurisdiction of Laye men which all together dependeth of the Prince M. Horne The .147 Diuision pag. 87. b. And vvriting of the Kings povver in Eccle. .483 matters or causes he citeth this Canon Quando vult Deus foorth of the decrees vvhereuppon he as it vvere commenteth saying Thus is the reason vvherefore it is leaful for the Prince some vvhiles to determine those things vvhich concerne the Church least the honesty of the mother he meaneth the Church should in any thing be violated or least her tranquilly should be troubled specially of them to vvhom she is committed meaning the Church Ministers Stapleton Leaue ones M. Horne this peuishe pinching and paring this miserable mayming and marring of your authours Your authour M. Horne geueth two rules the first for the authority and matters of the Church saying that in matter of fayth and synne the lawe of the Church is euer to be obserued and therto all princes lawes must yelde whiche rule he proueth at large And thus yow see your owne authour standeth agaiÌ„st you for one of the cheif matters of your booke wheriÌ„ ye wil in al matters to be determined by the Church that the princes coÌ„sent is to be had The .2 rule is touching the prince wherin he sayth that it apperteyneth to the kings and princes of the worlde to desire that the Church theyr mother of whome they are spiritually born be in their tyme in rest and quietnes And this is the reason and so forth as your self reherse What can ye gather of this that is sayde that somtyme the princes may determine of thinges touchinge the Church seyng as ye haue heard before this determination toucheth not fayth or synne nor can be vsed of them generally but sometymes for the quietnes of the Church M. Horn. The .148 Diuision pag. 87. b. If there be any other thing this chiefly is an Ecclesiasticall matter namely to call or conuocate Councelles saith Quintinus But this is the opinion saith he of many learned men that the Emperour may conuocate a general Councel so often and for any cause whan the pope and the Cardinalles be noted of any suspicioÌ„ and doo forslowe aÌ„d ceasse either for lacke of skil or peraduenture of some euil meaning or of both or els whan there is any schisme CoÌ„staÌ„tinus saith he called the first Nicene couÌ„cel the other three general CouÌ„cels Gratianus Theodosius and Martianus themperours called by their edict Iustinianus called the fifte general couÌ„cel at CoÌ„stantinople themperor CoÌ„staÌ„tine .4 did coÌ„uocat the sixt general CouÌ„cel agaiÌ„st the Monothelytes The authority of the kiÌ„g Theodorike coÌ„maunded the Bishops aÌ„d priestes forth of diuers prouiÌ„ces to assemble together at Rome for the purgatioÌ„ of Pope Symachus the first Carolus Magnus as it is in our histories coÌ„mauÌ„ded fiue CouÌ„cels to be celebrated for the Ecclesiastical state to wit Moguntinum Remense Cabilonense Arelatense and Turonense The Pope calleth the Bishops to Rome or to some other place the King dooth forbidde them to go or he commaundeth them to come to his Court or .484 Councell the Bisshoppes muste obey the kinges precept not onely in this case but in any other matter what so euer besides sinne for he that dooth not obserue his bounden fidelitie to the kinge whether he be a Bisshoppe Priest or Deacon is to be throwne foorth of his degree or place For the proufe vvhereof he citeth many Canons out of the decrees and concludeth thus to be briefe this is mine opinion whan the kinge calleth together the Prelates to a Councell and to reforme the state of the Church they are bounde to obey yea although the Pope .486 forbidde it Stapleton This is our olde matter of calling of CouÌ„cels by princes wherin you see you authour maketh no general or absolut rule as you doe but for certayne tymes and considerations for the which I will not greatly stande with yowe seinge that your authour confesseth that which we most stand for and ye stande most against that the prince in such couÌ„cels hath not the superiority but the cleargy For he saith I wil that princes be present at such Councelles but not president And therfor Quintinus wil not be aduocat for the bishops that by their priesthod promised that they woulde enacte nothing in their synodes without the kings consente Yet haue ye one prety knacke more in Quintinus to proue the king supreame head and not the pope For if the kinge on the one syde and the pope on the other side call the bisshops to a Councell the Bisshoppes muste obey the kinge and not the pope and not onely in this thinge but in all other thinges what so euer beside synne Happie is it that ye haue putte in beside synne for this putteth you quite beside your cusshion as they say and beside your matter and purpose For this is synne yea and one of the moste horrible kindes of synne that is a schisme for any prince or anie other to holde a councell contrary to the councell summoned by a lawfull Pope Such neuer had anie good successe as the ecclesiasticall stories euery where reporte And as Aarons rodde deuoured the roddes of Iamnes and Mambres and other sorcerers in Aegipte and as his rodde onely among all the roddes of the schismaticall and murmuringe people of Israell did geue forth yong slippes and braunches and for a memoriall was reserued in the tabernacle Euen so those councells that the pope gathered or allowed haue deuoured and abolished all other vnlawful and schismaticall conuenticles They onely florish and be in estimation and are and shal be for euer preserued in the tabernacle of Christes Catholyke Churche I will not walke in the larg felde of this matter that here lieth open The Frenche kinges doinges onely whereof ye talke shall be a sufficiente confirmation for our side and such stories onely as your self haue browght forth for the streÌ„gthniÌ„g as ye thought of your purpose As the couÌ„cel of Rhemes that the kiÌ„g Hugo Capet assembled deposing ther as ye write the bishop Arnulphus What was the issue M. Horn Did not Benedictus the .7 summone an other couÌ„cel eueÌ„ in the very same city aÌ„d restored Arnulphê° again Was not al that your fayre kiÌ„g Philip atteÌ„pted agaiÌ„st the pope Bonifaciê° in his couÌ„cels in FraÌ„ce brought to naught by a couÌ„cel suÌ„moned by the Pope as we haue before declared we haue also shewed how that the LateraÌ„ councell abolished the Pisane conuenticle that Lewes the Frenche king and others maynteyned as your self write
and doth extorte our confession in this poynte Whiche reason is that God loueth his Churche aswell as he did the Iewes Synagoge and hath as louingly as plentifully and as effectually prouided for the good gouernement of the same as he dyd for the synagoge And therefore to pacifie Diuisions schismes and heresies he hath prouided vs one spirituall Cowrte to decide and vtterly to determyn al controuersies rising vppon matters of religion as he prouided for the Iewes And so much the more amonge Christians then among the Iewes for that the Christians beinge of so many and diuers nations tongues wyttes manners and fasshions many cōtrouersies for fayth and religion and of more weight and moment will also arise and springe vppe then euer rose amonge the Iewes beinge but one onely Nation Especially the Apostle foretellinge vs that heresies must arise And yf there be not one certayne iudg appoynted to whome all nations must indifferently obeye yt muste neades be that Christendome shall contynewe in a continuall broyle and ruffle of sects and heresies Which also haue in our tyme so terribly and hugely encreased by nothinge more then that we geue no eare to this one iudge and that we do not as our forefathers haue done staye our selues and depende vppon this the highest cowrte of all Christendome Ye see nowe good reader both the figure and the reason of the figure what sayeth nowe M. Horne to it Full pretely I warrante yow and that is that Maister Fekenham doth not aptly conclude that the bisshoppes in the tyme of the Ghospell owght to haue iurisdiction by the expresse woorde of God to kepe cowrts to call Councells to make Lawes to visite and to reforme caet because the highe priest and the temporall iudge did determyne doubtfull cases in the tyme of the olde testament for the priest alone did not determyne all causes as M. Fekenham seameth to alleage the text Here may yow playnelie see that Maister Fekenham can not vse his owne armure but such onely as Maister Horne wil graunt him For neither M. Fekenham speaketh of the temporall iudge nor his texte be it Latin Greke or Hebrewe They all speake of a iudge but nothing is there to signifie this woorde temporall This woorde is shamefully infarsed by Maister Horne to vpholde his temporall supremacye by this place most greauously battered The iudge and the high Priest is al one as doth appere by the letter and by the doing of Kinge Iosaphat which was conformable to the cōmaundement of Moyses where as Amarias is appointed the chief for spiritual matters as Zabadias was for those thinges that perteyned to the Kinges office Which may be wel vnderstanded for the bodilie punishment of those that disobeyed the high priest and to put them to death yf the case required according to the Lawe And in that sense yt may be taken perchaunce for a temporal Iudge This notwithstanding yt agreeth well enowghe with the high priest to For that diuerse tymes aswell before there were any Kings as afterward the high priest had the cheif regiment both temporal and Ecclesiasticall but though he had not euer the temporal yet had he euer the Ecclesiasticall supremacy And therefore it is writen of the Prophete Malachie that the lipps of the priestes shall preserue knowledg and they shall seke the lawe at his mowthe And it is here writen who so euer disobeyeth the priest shal die He saith not who so euer diosobeyeth the temporal Iudge For the high Priest is the Iudge al one person and not two And so S. Cyprian with the other fathers taketh place When I speake of the high priest I exclude not other of the clergy with whome the Pope in all graue and weighty causes vseth to consult and of congruence ought so to do and so it was in the old Law Neither M. Fekenham as ye charge him saith so but layeth forth the text as it is saying that he that disobeyeth the priest shall die for it Nowe the highe priest being this authorised and Moses Aaron and Eleazarus being successiuely the highe priestes it must nedes follow that they had the chiefe superiority for matters ecclesiastical neding no further authority then that they had by the expresse woorde of God for the executing of theire office whether it were in geuinge sentence and making decrees Ecclesiasticall or in visiting and reforming the priests and Leuites that were vnderneth them which if ye can shewe they did not nor coulde do but by the ciuill magistrates authority we shall then geue you some eare But ye proue it not nor euer shall be able to proue this paradoxe And therfore we passe not whether it be true or no that in the .29 of Exodus there is neuer a worde of iurisdiction It is sufficiente that Maister Fekenham proue Aaron to haue bene the highe prieste as he was in dede and so yt appeareth there Where nowe ye would returne against M. Fekenham the .24 of Exodus ye haue forgotten your selfe For at that tyme Aaron was not yet made highe priest but afterward he was so made as appereth in the 3. chapter after Videlicet cap. 28. And therfore he might haue a commission to heare causes in Moses absence well inowgh Moses being then both the prince and the highe priest also ād he as is sayd being yet no priest at al. For your answere to the .3 place by M. Fekenhā alleaged we might passe it sauing that by your cōming in with Vrim and Thunim you haue much holpen M. Fekenhā his argument and cut your self with your Thunim quite ouer the thume For though theis outward miraculouse signes do not nowe appeare in our high priest yet the thing that was signified by Vrim ād Thunim set in the brestplate of the high priest that is light and perfectiō as some expoūd it or as our cōmō trāslatiō hath doctrin ād verity remaine now in our high priest aswel as they did thē remaine in the high priest of the olde Testamēt yea and much more And therfore the true doctrine is to be fetched at the high priests or bisshops hands in al doubts and perplexities of religiō ād cōsequently all lawes decrees and ordinaūces made for the obseruatiō of his sentēce and determinatiō are to be obserued To what purpose were it for priests to declare ād determin the truth if they might not by some forcible Lawe cōpel men to the keping of the same which is nowe chiefly practised in the Church by excōmunicatiōs as appereth by general and by other Coūcels The like hereof the Iewes had in thrusting the disobediēt ād rebellious persons out of the Synagoge Now to imagine such an vnprobable and an vnlikely paradoxe that bishops hauing cōmissiō frō God to fede the people to teache them and instruct them and hauing a charge of their soules for the which they shall make to God an accompt may not visite and reforme their flock by examinations
ye vvill thinke he meant the order of Priestes vvhan he named the faction of the Pharisees VVhether the Apostles called this coūcel or not or that the Congregation being assembled together in their ordinary sort for praier preaching and breaking of bread Paulus and Barnabas vvith the others sent to Hierusalem did declare the cause of their message before the vvhole Churche vvhich is more likely I vvil not determine bicause S. Luke maketh no mention thereof But if it be true that ye affirme that the Apostles called or assembled this Councel then vvas it not the authoritie or Acte of one Apostle alone Besides this if the Apostles called this councel they called the Laytie so vvel as the Clergy to the councell yea as may seeme probable mo of the Laytie than of the Clergy The decrees vvere not made by the Apostles .599 alone as you falsely feyne For S. Luke saieth the decree vvas made by the Apostles Elders and the .600 vvhole Congregation The Apostles I graunt as vvas moste cōuenient vvith the Elders had the debating arguing and discussing of the questiō in cōtrouersie They declared out of the holy Scriptures vvhat vvas the truthe And I doubt not but they declared to the Church vvhat they thought most conuenient to be determined But the determination and decree vvas by the common consent both of the Apostles Elders and .601 people Therfore this controuersy vvas reformed ordered and corrected not by the authority of the Apostles alone vvithout the Elders neither they togeather did it vvithout the assent of the Churche and so this allegation maketh no .602 deale for your purpose but rather cleane against it Stapleton There followeth now an other reason out of the newe testamente browght forth by M. Fekenham The effecte wherof is that the Apostles and other priestes both assembled in councel and reformed wrong opinions among the Christians setting abrode theire decrees without any conmission of any ciuill magistrate which is quite contrary to the absurde opinion mainteined by M. Horne who is faine therefore to wince hither ād thither and wotteth not well where to rest him self for a resolute answere First he quarrelleth with the worde Priestes and to no purpose the argumente remaining sownde and whole be they to be called Priestes or be they to be called Elders For though before the worde Ministers did like M. Horne well yet the worde Elders liketh him here better Priestes he is assured there were none among the Apostles in this councel vnlesse they were the Pharisees And so with his pleasante pharisaicall myrthe he maketh the Apostles them selues Pharisees For Priestes it is certain they were as I haue declared before Nowe for the worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which word the Latin and our tonge and almost al other tongues in Europa namelie the Frenche the Italian the Spaynishe the highe and lowe Dutche yea and all other as farre as I can yet learne doe expresse by a like worde deriued from the Greke though yt signifie an elder in age by the proper significatiō of the Greke word yet in scripture it signifieth that office and dignitie in a man that we cal Priesthod that is such an Elder as is a Priest withall And yet not alwaies to be so called for his age as appereth by Timothee who was but yong Truth it is that this word in Greke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sometime signifieth the inferior in dignitie and him that is vnder the Bishoppe and sometime the Bishop As sometime this woorde Apostolus signifieth none of the .xij. Apostles but a Bishop and so is the one and the other confounded in Scripture Whereof Theodoretus is an vndoubted witnesse For thus he writeth Eosdem olim vocabant presbyteros Episcopos eos autem qui nunc vocantur Episcopi nominabant Apostolos Procedente autem tempore nomen quidem Apostolorum reliquerunt ijs qui verè erant Apostoli Episcopatus autē appellationem imposuerunt ijs qui olim appellabantur Apostoli Ita Philippensium Apostolus erat Epaphroditus Ita Cretensiū Titus Asianorum Timotheus In the old time he meaneth the Primitiue Church as with the like terme Chrysostō doth men called Priests and Bishops all one But those whiche are now called Bishops they called Apostles Afterward in processe of time they lefte the names of Apostles to those which were in dede Apostles And bishops they called those whiche in olde time were called Apostles So Epaphroditus was the Apostle of the Philippenses so Titus of the people of Creta and Timothe of the Asians Thus then those which were in dede Bishops being in the Apostles time called Priestes verely in this place also of the Actes by these wordes Priests may very wel be taken not only simple Priests but euen those that were Bishops too And then hath M. Horne lost al the grace of his Pharisaical iesting But now is the man in a great muse with him selfe whether he may graunt to M. Fekenham that this Councell was called by the Apostles though of his modestie which is here to be wondered at it sheweth it selfe so seldome he wil not determine the matter And then doth he ful sadlie imagine as a thing moste likely that the Apostles Paulus and Barnabas came to Hierusalem iump at that time that the Apostles and the congregation were assembled already together to common prayer And by as good likelyhood they made poste haste to present them ere the congregation brake vppe least they should haue lost their iourny for lacke of authority in the Apostles to cal a Coūcel or tarrie at least vntill the next time that they assembled for praier And whie I pray you might they not as wel call a Councel as assemble together for other causes And whie do you so fondly ground your likelinesse vppon that which hathe no likelihood And why doe ye thus wrangle seing S. Luke him selfe sheweth plainly the cause of their meeting Conueneruntque Apostoli seniores videre de verbo hoc The Apostles and the Priests assembled together to consider of this matter Then haue we an other snarling that this was not the acte of one Apostle alone Neither dothe the Pope alone for that belike is the matter ye so closely shote at make any decree but either by a coūcel or with the aduise of his Cardinales and others Which in all weighty matters no doubt he dothe though he after al as the head geue the Sentence At length yet M. Horn taking a better hart vnto him selfe goeth roundlye to the matter and resolueth vs that this Decree was made not by the Apostles only and the priestes but by the whole Congregatiō ther present as S. Luke saieth Then is there good cause to beleue him M. Horne I heare you say that Saint Luke saith the decree was made by the Apostles Elders and the whole Congregation But as yet I heare not S. Luke say so nor euer shal hear him so saie S. Luke
ovvn office vvithout any suit made to the Emperour to execute that vvhich belonged vnto them selues Themperour refused to iudge the quarreling accusations of the bisshops assembled at the Nicen Councel one quarreling and accusing an other and referred the iudgement of them to Christ. This vvas his modesty Policy and prudent foresight least by sifting those priuat quarrels he might haue hindred the common cause as I haue said before and is plainly to be .629 gathered of Ruffinus and Nicephorus and .630 not for that he thought his authority might not stretche so farre as to iudge the Priests and their matters as ye vvould haue it to seme for as he him self protesteth this aboue all other things to be the chief scope and ende of his Emperial authority namely that the Catholik Church be preserued in vnity of faith sincerity of loue coÌ„cord in godly ReligioÌ„ and that the diseases therein as Schismes Heresies c. might be healed by his ministery euen so forsoke he no occasion or meane vvhereby to vvork forth this effect of his ministery and office vvhether it vvere at some tyme by relenting and remitting somvvhat of his autority or by exercising the same to the vtmost in al matters and ouer al persones He thought it the best for this tyme by .631 relenting to beare vvith the vveakenes of those fathes thereby the better to encourage theÌ„ to staÌ„d fast and ioyntly against the coÌ„mon enemy for the furtherance of the truth But aftervvad vvhan the CouÌ„cel or Synod vvas assembled at Tyre by his coÌ„mmauÌ„demet aÌ„d that Athanasius had made coÌ„plaint vnto him of the vniust dealing of that councel to deface the truth themperour did exercise the ful authority of his ministery and called al the Bishops vnto hiÌ„ to this end that he by his 632 supreme authority might examine their doiÌ„gs aÌ„d iudge of the vvhole CouÌ„cel vvhether thei had iudged vprightly aÌ„d dealâ— sincerely or not This he did at the suite of the most godly bisshop Athanasâ—ê° vvho vvold not haue attributed this .633 authority to the Emperour if it had not apperteined to his iurisdiction to haue iudged the bisshops and their doinges â–ª vvither vvould the Catholique Fathers of that tyme haue suffered this and many other such like doinges of this most ChristiaÌ„ Emperour to haue passed vvithout some admonition or misliking if they had not acknovvledged the authority in him to be lavvful He commaunded the Bisshops euery vvhere to asseÌ„ble at his appointmeÌ„t vvher and vvhaÌ„ he vvould He sharply reproueth AlexaÌ„der Bishop of AlexaÌ„dria and Arius for the contention stirred vp by them He 634 iudged Cecilianus Bisshop of Carthage to be lavvfully coÌ„secrated and ordered and condemned the Donatistes And these Bisshoppes assembled at the Nicen Councell by his commaundement â–ª of vvhom ye speake acknovvledged the Emperour to haue authority to iudge them and their causes .635 or els they had doone folishly to offer their billes of complaint vnto him vvhome they thought had no authority or might not iudge and determine theÌ„ But in case it vvere true that the Prince might not iudge the Priestes nor their causes vvhat conclude you thereof You can not conclude your purpose for this is no more a good consequent Constantinus vvould not could lavvfully iudge the Priestes assembled at Nicen Councel Ergo .636 Bishoppes and Priests may cal councels make Lavves orders and decrees to their flocke and cures and exercise al maner iurisdiction cohibitiue Then this Yorke standeth but .iij. myles from Pocklington Ergo your pocket is ful of plummes The .10 Chapter Conteyning a defence of three exaÌ„ples brought forth by M. Fekenham touching three Emperours Constantin the greate Valentian the first and Theodosius the firste Stapleton ALthough that which M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ hath alredy layd forth out of holy scripture be sufficieÌ„t to shew aÌ„d proue that the superiority in al causes ecclesiastical doth not rest in laye princes but in the spiritual rulers yet will he nowe adde and adioyne therunto such a forcible argument that shall beate downe to the ground M. Hornes newe Laicall supremacy M. Horne with al his witte and cunning goeth about to auaunce his new supremacy and to depresse and abolish the other as contrary to scriptures and iniuriouse to the Emperours and princes Nowe to stoppe his lyinge mouth M. Fekenham bringeth forth thre of the worthiest Emperours that euer were and al thre lyuing when Christian religion most florished that by plaine wordes confesse the cleargies superiority in this behalf that is Constantine the great Valentinian the first and Theodosius the great This Constantine at the request of Siluester the pope called the first general councell at Nice where diuerse bisshops being at contention for certain matters offered their complaints to him To whom Constantine answered that where as God had made them priests he had geuen them authority to iudge ouer him And therefore they might well be his iudges But ye sayth he may be iudged of no man Good Lorde how farre discrepant is the iudgment of this our noble contry maÌ„ as our Chroniclers cal him and most worthy Emperour from the iudgement of M. Horn and his fellowes He disclaimeth flatly this newe superiority Yet you nowe after one thousand and almost thre huÌ„dred yeares by preaching and writing yea by premunire and the sword do maintaine the same This answere presseth M. Horne very sore and therefore he seketh euery corner to hide his head in and yet he can fynd no good or quiet resting place And firste he would fain take some holde in a by matter which is that Constantin did not cal the councel at Siluester his request because the councell was not in the tyme of Siluester but of Iulius I deny your argument M. Horne For it must neades be that the bishops reparing to Nice froÌ„ al quarters of Christendome should haue a conuenient time to come thither And Nicephorus writeth that the same Councel dured three yeares and more And then may it wel stand that Syluester died either after the summoning and before the full assemble of the bishops or at least before the end that so some part of it might falle in the time of Iulius notwithstanding that Marcus came betwene who sate in the See litle more then two yeres Neither doth your authours by yowe cited deny that it was called at Syluesters requeste nor any other of the auncieÌ„t writers that euer I read But I say further vnto you that as Constantine did cal it at his request so did he him self cal this councell the one by his spiritual the other by his teÌ„poral authority which in all good princes tyme doth euer serue the other The one as your own Author Cusanus teacheth by force of Authority and coÌ„maundement ouer al bishops ouer whom he is the head The other by way of exhortation of temporall ayde and succour as I haue before at large recited his wordes But to leaue
li. 1. cap. 8. â—ouncels 〈◊〉 not be kepte vvithout the conâ—ent of the Pope Beatissimi Petri iure atque honore serua to Ep. 45. alias 47. ToÌ„ 1. CoÌ„c pag. 663. col 2. a. Vide Tom. 1. Concil pag. 735. 736. Act. 1. CoÌ„c Chal. pag. 741. In epist. Praeamb Concil Chalâ—ed Tom. 1. Pag. 733.734 735. col 2 In epist. praeamb vbi supra The .143 Vntruth They wer no rulers suche as M. Horne sancieth Act. 1. The cause of discord vvas that they taught not quod veritas aut doctrina patrum requirit that vvhiche truth or the Fathers doctrine requireth This you omit For vvhy It shevved your ovn case The 144. Vntruth The Emperoure prescribed no fourme at al for determiniÌ„g of maters in coÌ„trouersie The .145 Vntruth notorius The Iudges deposed not Dioscorus but the CouÌ„cell The aunsvver coÌ„cerning the CouÌ„cell of Chalcedo The Ephesine and the ChalcedoÌ„ Councell shevved in a darke horne See the .1 â—ome of councelle the 736. leaf and 737. col 2. 1. See the 831. leaf col â–ª 2. 4. Causes to proue that Dioscorus vvas not deposed by them â–ª Videtur nobis iustuÌ„ esse See the 847. leafe col 2. Martians oration returned vpon M. Horne See the 740. leafe col 1. M. Hornâ— argumeÌ„te for the exclamatioÌ„ returned vpon him selfe See the 743. leafe col 1. See the 750. leafe 1. 2. col See the 847. leafe col 2. Niceph. li 8 ca. 16 Act. 2. Act. 3 630. Bisshoppes .146 coÌ„fesse the Princes supremacie in Ecclesiastical causes The .146 Vntruth most ridiculous aâ— shall appeare The .147 Vntruth In coÌ„cealing the next sentence folovving opening the whol matter A Copie of M. Iewells rhetorike in his Reply the 225. page Act. 3. fol. 861. col 1. vvhy the fathers cal the Emperours the chiefe PhisitioÌ„s 1 Pet. 2. Ecclesiast 38. 1. Timo. 5. Heb. 13. Ecclesi 4. M. Horne contrarie to him self in on leaf The .148 vntruth There is no suche must in all the Councell A sancto concilio secunduÌ„ regulas ab episcopali dignitate fieri alienos Pag. 831. col 2. The true meaning of the place by M. Horne alleaged Anno. 25. HeÌ„ 8. c. 19. Sententiae vestrae permisit deliberare de Thalassio quae vobis placuerint Fol. 872. col 2. Liberatus in Breuia cap. 13. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Quia consenserant in subscriptione epistolae Leonis c. Dicta pa. 931. col 2. Videtur nobis secundum quod Deo placitum est iustum esse si placuerit diuinissimo pijssimo Domino nostro eidem poenae Dioscorum reuerend episcopum Alexandriae Iuuenalem reuerend episcopum Hieâ—os Thalassium c. The 149. vntruth The word disordered levvdely added to the text to make coulour of reproche The .150 vntruth Not by any his supreme authority but at the bisshops choise aÌ„d pleasure as shal appeare Concil Chalced. Act. 5. pa. 879. col 2 The cause of the CoÌ„mitties made in the v. Action Pag. 880. col 1. Si vobis hoc noÌ„ placet singuli fideÌ„ suaÌ„ c. Si autem neque hoc velit vestra saÌ„ctitas cognoscite quia in partibus OccideÌ„talibus fieri habet synodus eó quòd c. * It vvas beâ—ause he would 〈◊〉 DoctriniÌ„ Patrum The doctrine of Fathers vviâ—h you leaue out The 151. vntruth in dissembling a greate part of the Sentence * Ergo. it vvas before defined wâ—â—hout the emperâ—r royal assent * For execution of the CouÌ„cel The 152. vntruth No suche words in the Acteâ— The 153. vntruth as before Hovv aÌ„d vvhye PriÌ„ces are presente in Councels Fol. 893. col 2. Multum quideÌ„ estis itinere fatigati laboreÌ„ perfereÌ„tes veruntamen sustinete tres adhuc aut quatuor dies Et preseÌ„titibus magnificeÌ„tiss nostris iudicib quaecuÌ„que vultis mouete competens aedepturi solatium Nullus vestruÌ„ antequaÌ„ perfecti termini ex omnib proferaÌ„â—ur à S. coÌ„cilio discedat Fol. 894. col 1. The .154 Vntruthe They neither allovved nor disallovved any sentence of the Councel but shevved only their aduise and minde The .155 Vntruthe It vvas no iudgement at all Act. 11. pag 915. col â— TotuÌ„ auteÌ„ coÌ„cilio sancto relinquimus quatenus sententiam quae in haec causa fuerit visa depromat In talibus sanct CoÌ„c contingit frequeÌ„ter vnum ex praesentibê° reuerend episcopis aliquid dicere quod ab vno dictuÌ„ est taÌ„quam ab oiÌ„bus simul dicatur subscribatur intelligatur hoc ab exordio subsecutuÌ„ est in tantum vt vno diceÌ„te scribamê° sancta Synodus dixit Act. 1. pa. 791. col 2. * the true vnderstaÌ„ding of the place by M. Horne alleaged Gloriosissimi iudices dixerunt Quoniam sepe nobis interloqueÌ„tibus pescentibus proferri sententiam de episcopatu sancta Ecclesiae in Epheso coÌ„stituto perfecta respoÌ„sio noÌ„ est data Venerabile c. Act. 12 pa. 916. col 3. Act. 1. pa. 737. col 1. b Paschasio LuceÌ„tio reuereÌ„d Episcopis Bonifacio religiosiss presbytero teneÌ„tibus locuÌ„ sanctiss et reuerendiss â—rchiepis almae vrbis Romae Leonis Anatolio c. Act. 1. pa 741. co 1. aÌ„ Quia SynoduÌ„ facere ausus est sine authoritate Romanae sedis quod nuÌ„quaÌ„ ritè factuÌ„ est nec fieri licuit Rome heade of all Churches Act. 1. p. 740. co 2 c Romam â—cclesiaruÌ„ omnium caput Act. 1. pag. 741. col 1. a. Euag lib. 2. ca. 16. Dioscorus coÌ„manded by Leo to staÌ„â— and not to be placed among the Bisshoppes Vniuersal Bishop Act. 1. pa. 742. a. Recipiens locum a Sanctiss episcopo inclytae vrbis Romae The Pope restoreth Thedoretus the Bisshoppe Act. 1. pa. 775. col 1. a. Petrus Presbyt dixit NoÌ„ est meuÌ„ subscribere episcoporuÌ„ taÌ„tuÌ„ est It appertaineth to Bisshoppes onely to subscribe in Councel NulluÌ„ fieri tumultuÌ„ permittere sed si queÌ„ videretis coÌ„turbationibus tumultui studenteÌ„ ad lesâ—ioneÌ„ sanctae fidei huÌ„c cusiodiae mancipare ad nostram perferre notitiam causam quideÌ„ ordine prouenire interesse autem iudicio et operaÌ„ dare celereÌ„ circumspectam probationem à sancta Synodo fieri Act. 1. pa. 744. b. VVhy laie men are present in CouÌ„cels Act. 1. p. 790. col 1. c. 823. col 2. Appeales to Rome froÌ„ ConstaÌ„tinople Act. 2. pag. 834 col 1. b. Peter speaketh in Leo. Vniuersal Bisshop Act. 3. pa. 839 col 2. b. 840. col 2. b. Vniuersal Patriarch pa. 842 col 2. b. 844. col 2. a. Vniuersalis Ecclesia Papae 858. col 1. b. Catholicum Papam Leonem pa. 835. col 2 a. The pope vniuersal bisshop M. Iewel muste subscribe Act. 3. pag. 847. col 2. b. c. The popes legates geue â—eÌ„â—eÌ„ce against Dioscorus the Patriaâ—ch of Alexandria Leo per nos per praesenteÌ„ Synodum vnà cum â—er beatiss oÌ„ni laude digno beato Petro Apostolo qui est petra crepido catholicae
not before theÌ„ He dothe not direct them prescribe to them or gouern them but is directed prescribed and gouerned of them Con. 133. The priÌ„ce hath supreame gouernemeÌ„t ouer al persoÌ„s .213 iÌ„ al maner causes The .212 Vntruth These lawes shew no suche principality The .213 Vntruth ImpudeÌ„t That set iÌ„ the margin vvhich is not iÌ„ the text The .214 vntruth That can not be found either in the Code or iÌ„ thautheÌ„ August Epist. 48. Const. 133. Solitaria vita atque in ea contemplatio res planè sacra est et quae suapte natura animas ad DeuÌ„ adducat Neque ijs tantum qui eam incolunt sed etiam omnibus alijs puritate sua apud DeuÌ„ interpellatione competenteÌ„ de se vtilitateÌ„ praebeat Vnde oliÌ„ eares Imperatoribus studio fuit habita nos non pauca de dignit honestate eoruÌ„ legibus coÌ„plexi sumus Sequimur eniÌ„ sacros in hoc canones et sanctos patres qui hoc coÌ„preheÌ„deruÌ„t legibus quaÌ„doquideÌ„ nihil noÌ„ peruiuÌ„ ad inquisitioneÌ„ maiestati èxistit imperatoriae quae coÌ„munem in oeÌ„s hoiÌ„es moderationeÌ„ et principatum à Deo percepit Sequimur sacros Canones sanctos patres Brach. 1.2 The .215 Vntruth He commaunded not in M. Hornes seÌ„ce That is as supreÌ„ gouernor but as the CouÌ„cel it selfe saith as Pijssimus filius noster Our most godlye Sonne The .216 Vntruth No suche thing in the CouÌ„cell nor that VvaÌ„banus called it at al Vide Brac. 1. tom 2. Conc. pag. 216. et 217 Can. 18. 23. The .217 Vntruth That is not in Sabellicus The .218 Vntruth False traÌ„slation instaurare formam is not to make a nevve fourme but to repaire the olde The dutiful care of a Prince about religion The .219 Vntruthe No suche vvoords in that sentence The .220 Vntruth The kiÌ„gs vvhole vvordes fouly maimed and mangled as shall appeare A Princes speciall care for his subiects The .221 Vntruthe No such vvords in the Councell The .222 Vntruth It vvas not of the Nicene CouÌ„cel but of the CoÌ„stantinople Councell The .223 Vntruth For not by authority of Supreame gouernemente as M Horne driueth it but only for the execution of it in his Dominions The 224. Vntruth Slaunderous and blasphemous Lib. Epist. 7. Epist. 126. The Pope at that time coÌ„meÌ„ded the Princes gouernement in causes Ecclesiasiastical The .225 Vntruth S. Gregory speketh not there of any gouernment at all The 226 Prince calleth Councels aÌ„d gouerneth ecclesiastical causes vvithout any doings of the Pope therein The .226 Vntruth auouched in the margin but not a whit proued in the Texte The .227 Vntruth S. Gregories vvordes excedinglye ouer reached Tom. 2. CoÌ„c p. 168 col 1. b. Pag. 168. Ante coÌ„municationem Corporis Christi Pag. 169. Secundum formam coÌ„cilij CoÌ„stantinop Sâ—mboluÌ„ fidei recitetur Et mox Et ad christi corpus et sanguineÌ„ praelibanduÌ„ pectora populoruÌ„ fide purificata accedant Deijs symbolis vide tom 2. Concil pag. 392. The Protestantes follovve the ArriaÌ„s in their carnal lecherie Can. 5. Tolet. 3. c. 1 M. Horns Madge must be sold for a slaue by this CouÌ„cel which M. Horne him selfe allegeth Illi vero canonicè multeres quideÌ„ ab Episcopis venuÌ„dentur et pretiuÌ„ ipsum pauperibus irrogetur Canon 5. A greate difference betvvixt the subscription of themperours aÌ„d of the Bisshops Sext. Syn. Const. act 17. 18. Georgius miserante Deo c. Definens subscripsi Subscriptio pijss christ dilecti CoÌ„st imperat Legimus et coÌ„sentimus act 18 Vt patet in dict tom 2 Concil Isidor videl Aera 627. Hoc est an 589 Beda li. 1. cap. 23. in Hist. gent. Angl. See the 4. Article the 9. pag. and certain folovving M. Horne goeth about craftely to disgrace and slauÌ„der Saint Gregory Greg. li. 7. Ep. 126. Greg. li. 6. Epist. 37. The worthy doiÌ„gs of S. Gregorie Nauclerus Generat 21. pa. 752 Plat. in Greg. 1. S. Gregorie our Apostle Lib. 2. c. 1. Greg. lib. 2 cap. 36. M. Horns Vntruths laid forth Tom. 2. Conc. pag. 167. col 2. Luc. 10. CoÌ„cil Tolet 3. Cap 2. Tom. 2. pag. 169. Col. 1. Vide Gregor lib. 7. epist. 126. Nauclerus vbi supra Platina M. Iewell â—n his Relie pa. 91 The .228 vntruth Slaunderous Sabel Plat. Paul Dia. Volater Naucler Martinus The .229 vntruth Not to be Head but to be so called The .230 vntruthe Slaunderous The order to be takeÌ„ here after in ansvvering the residewe of M. Hornes booke Plat. in Bonifa 3. Adoiâ— Chroni Beda de sex Aera Martinus Polonus Paulus Diaconus Sabel Acnea 8. l 6. Platina in Boni 2. Paul Dia. de gestis LoÌ„gobar li. 4. c. 11. Naucler Gener. 21. Martinus Polon Volateranus M Hornes folly The 231. vntruth as before The 232. vntruth Themperour by that decree is not left out * Novve M. Horne doth his kinde Sabel The .233 vntruth 4 popes came betwene aÌ„d 25. yeres * It was so vi non iure by force not by right Fol. 38. Bonifa 4. Theodat Bonifa 5. Honor. 1. Sabellicus Aenead 8. lib. 6. pag. 535. Tol. 4. The .234 vntruth The king folovved their directioÌ„ not they the Kinges in causes ecclesiastical The .235 vntruthe Not simply agreed vpon but fully and finally had decreed and determined Tol. 5. Tol. 6. Desinitis itaque etc. Tol. 7. The 236. vntruthe By the bisâ—hops decree not by the kinges decree Decreto nostro sancimus The .237 vntruthe For not by his Supreme Authority Studio Serenissimi Regis By the fauor and endeuour c. Tol. 8. * In that Othe there vvas I vvarrant you no Supreme gouernmeÌ„t c. * By the vertu of a Canon made in Tolet 7. The .238 vntruthe Not to assiste but in al poiÌ„ts to obey aÌ„d folovv the ordinaunces of the Synod The 239. vntruthe No such matter in the Councel Tol. 9. Tol. 10. Tol. 4. ca. 40. Tol. 6. c. 6. Tol. 8. c. 4. 5. 7 Tol. 9. c. 10 Tol. 10. c. 5. Tol. 4. ca. 8 Tol. 7. ca. 3 Tol. 10. c. 5 Tol. 4. in praefat Tol. 5. in praefat Tol. 6. c. 2. Tol. 6. in praefat Tol. 7. in praefat Tol. 8. in praefat Ibidem Tol. 8. c. 4. Nam dùm secundum Carnis assumptae mysterium Ecclesiae suae fuerit dignatus caput existere Christus meritò in membris eius intentio EpiscoporuÌ„ officia peragere cernitur oculorum Ipsi enim de sublimioribus celsitudine ordinis regunt disponunt subiectas multitudines plebium Tol. 8. ca. 4. Vide CoÌ„c 5 Con. 8. Distin. 631. cap. 21. The .242 vntruthe Slaunderous The 241. vntruth The Emperours neuer had it The 242. vntruthe Slaunderous and Rayling The .243 vntruth He brought it not but restored it c. As shal appeare The 244. vntruthe Notorious and facing The .245 vntruthe Their first strife vvas not about the Superiority but about Tria capitula Pontificall Anno. 620. The 246. vntruth It vvas not that
of Martian the Emperour for calling of the Chalcedon Councell nextly alleaged M. Horns purpose is no whit furdered but Pope Leo his primacy euidently proued By the Actes also of the sayd Councell the popes and the bishops Supreme Iurisdiction in al ecclesiastical matters to be treated examined iudged and defined throughe out the whole Councel appeareth and M. Hornes purpose remayneth vtterly vnproued I haue farder out of the sayd Chalcedon Councell being the fourthe Generall and so one of the foure allowed in our Countre by Acte of parliament in the reigne of the Queenes Mai. present gathered euident and sundry argumentes for proufe of the Popes and bishops Supremacy in causes ecclesiasticall And here I require M. Horne or any mans els whatsoeuer to shewe howe it is possible without manifeste contradiction to allowe the Authorytie of this fourthe Generall Councel and to bannishe the Popes Authorytie which this whole Councel agnised or to geue to the Prince Supreme Authorytie in al ecclesiastical causes the same by this Councel resting in the bishops only not in the Prince at all In hath consequently ben shewed against M. Horne that his exāples of Leo and Zeno Emperours haue proued nothing lesse then his imagined Supremacy His next examples of three popes Simplicius Felix .3 and Symachus haue al proued so manifest testimonies for their owne Supremacy euen out of the bookes and places by M. Horne alleaged that in this matter he semeth a plaine preuaricatour and one secretly defending the cause which he seemeth openly to impugne Nowe in Fraunce M. Horne your lucke hath bene no better then before in the East Church and in Italy it was Your arguments in this behalfe haue bene to to pelting and miserable But the bishops Iurisdiction in all those matters hath bene as euident Your story of Iustinus the elder nextly by you alleaged but confusedly and out of measure mangled being wholy layed forthe hath plainely proued the popes Supremacy and nothing at al the princes Iustinian your next exaample and largely by you prosecuted hath neuer a whit proued your matter but for the Popes absolute Supremacy hath diuerse waies pronounced not onelye in his behauyour in the fifte Generall Councell but in his Edictes and Constitutions which you for your selfe so thicke haue alleaged In that place also I haue noted by diuerse exāples what euil successe Churche matters haue had whē Princes most intermedled Ther also by the way a Councell in Fraunce by M. Horne alleaged hath openly pronounced for the popes vniuersall Supremacy Your last examples taken out of Spayne haue nothinge relieued your badde cause but haue geuen euidēt witnesse for the Bishops Supremacy in ecclesiastical causes And thus farre haue you waded in the first .600 yeres after Christe without any one prouf for your newe Laicall Supremacy But for the popes and Bishops Supremacy in matters of the Church the Cōtinual practise of that first age and that in al Countres hath clerely pronounced as hath bene at large shewed In the third book as the race your runne is the longer ād triple to that ye ranne in before so is our cause the strōger and yours the febler or rather the wretcheder that in the cōpasse of .900 yeres that of so many Emperors kings and princes of so many Coūcels both General and National of so diuerse parts of the Christened worlde al the East part Italy Fraunce Spayne Germany and our own Countre of Englād yea of the Moscouites Armeniās and Aethyopiās to of all these I say not one Prince Councel or Coūtre maketh for you and not one prince Councell or Countre maketh against vs but all haue agnised the popes primacy and not one in the worlde of so many hundred yeres haue agnised or so muche as hearde of muche lesse sworen vnto the Princes Supreme Gouuernement in all Ecclesiasticall causes Your first proufe belyeth flatly the See of Rome and proueth nothing by any doing of Phocas the Emperour the Supremacy that you woulde proue The Kinges of Spayne and the Toletane Councelles haue made nothinge for you but haue clerely confounded you not only in the principal matters in hande but also in diuers other matters by your lewde heresies denied Your patched proufes and swarming vntruthes in your next narratiō touching certain Popes of Rome and of the Churche of Rauēna haue discouered the miserable wekenesse of your badde cause and nothing relieued yowe the Popes Primacy by your owne examples notwithstanding established Your fonde surmise against the Decree of Constantin .5 Emperour for the prerogatiue of the See Apostolike as it nothing furdered your matter in hande yf it had not bene made so it shewed wel the misery of your cause that to make your paradoxe to beare some credit you were fayne to discredit al the Historiās and writers of that matter calling them Papistes the Popes Parasites and fayners of that which they wrote The practise of Ecclesiasticall gouernement vsed in the sixt general Councel next by you alleaged cōfirmeth both in word and dede the Popes Primacy and the Bisshops Supreme iurisdiction in matters Ecclesiasticall and geueth forth no maner inckling of your imagined Supremacy In which only matter beside twenty vntruthes by you vttered there about you are as much confounded as in any other Councell or Countre before notwithstanding your great obiection of Pope Honorius to the which I haue there sufficiently aunswered Your talke of the three Kings of Spayne next ensewing and of the three Toletane Councells kept in their reignes doth so litle disproue the Supreme iurisdiction of Bisshops in Ecclesiastical causes that it maketh them Supreme iudges euen in ciuil causes So wide you are euer from prouing your purpose The .7 General Councel by you shortly noted doth amply and abundantly confirme the Popes Primacy and nothing in the worlde helpeth your purpose Charles Martel ād Carolomanus his sonne exercised no whit of your imagined Supremacy but haue cōfessed both clerely the Popes Primacy by their doings euē in the matters by your self treated Your most ignorant and ridiculous exposition made of the keyes of S. Peters Confession sent to this Charles and your extreme fonde argument deducted thereof hath vtterly shamed you yf any shame be in you Your slaunderous reproches against S. Augustine our Apostle and S. Boniface the Apostle of Germany and holye Martyr haue redounded to your owne shame and follye your cause thereby nothing in the worlde furdered No yf yt had bene all true which you hadde reported of them Charlemayne for all his callinge of Councelles confirmynge of the same and publishinge of Churche Lawes practised not yet anye like Gouuernement in Ecclesiasticall causes as you haue defended no nor anye Gouuernement at all but was lead and gouerned him selfe in all suche thinges of the Fathers and Bisshoppes then liuing especiallye of the See of Rome The whole Order also of the Councelles by you alleaged
hath plainelye condemned the prophane maner of determinyng causes Ecclesiasticall nowe vsed by mere laye men at the warrant of suche as yowe are But for the Popes Primacye none more clere then this Charlemaine bothe in his doinges as in the cause of Pope Leo the .3 and in his sayinges as in the booke so much by you and your fellowes alleaged and in the decrees it appeareth Lewys the first sonne to this Charlemayne practised no parte of your Supremacye but the Popes at that tyme hadde as full vse thereof as any Popes before or fithens the confirmation of the Pope before elected and chosen notwithstandinge of the which matter in that place I haue aunswered you sufficientlye There also you haue Maister Horne out of the Notable Epistle of Nicolaus .1 to Michael the Emperour and by the practise of the .8 Generall Councell at large declared vnto you both the Popes Primacye in all Spirituall matters and the Emperour or Princes subiection in the same by the Confession of the Emperour himselfe Basilius of Constantinople present in that Councel Arnulphus his example hathe nothinge holpen yowe The bedroll of certaine euill Popes by yow browght in onelye declareth your malice to Gods Vicares and furdereth nothinge your badde cause Your surmise adioyned of the cause of the calamities at that tyme hathe argued your greate folye and ignorance of the stories except we shall say that malice made you blinde Otho the first shewed such obediēce to the See of Rome yea to the naughty Pope Iohn the .12 that he is no fit exāple for the like gouernement in Princes as you maintayne but for the like obedience to the See Apostolike as Catholike Princes and Emperours haue alwaies shewed you coulde not haue brought a more notable or excellent example ād that proued out of the Authours by your selfe alleaged Hugh Capet the Frenche King and Otho the .3 Emperour haue euen in the matters by your selfe treated bene proued obediēt and subiect to the See Apostolike without any colour of the like gouernement as you would fasten vpon them Your great matter of Henry the .4 and Pope Hildebrād hath concluded flatte against you with a great number of your lewde vntruthes in that behalfe discouered and confuted The Popes Primacy in no matter more abundantly and clerely proued The matter of inuesturing bishops your chief matter to proue the Princes Supremacy in al Ecclesiasticall causes in Henry .5 Lotharius and Conradus Emperours hath proued your purpose no deale at al namely Henry .5 resigning vp all such pretensed right to pope Calixtus the .2 But in al these matters how beastly you haue belyed the stories I haue I trust sufficiently declared Frederike Barbarossa speaketh no woorde for your barbarous paradoxe he obeyed no lesse then other Emperors the See of Rome yea and at the last submitted himselfe to the Pope whō before he persecuted not as true Pope but as he thought an intruded Pope He neuer made question whether he ought to obeye the See Apostolike or no but only he doubted who was the true elected Pope and tooke parte with the worste side The question nowe in our dayes is farre vnlike And so are your proufes M. Horne farre and extreme wide from the purpose in hande Nowe for matters of our owne Countre and for Ecclesiasticall gouernement practised therin you are so ouertaken as in no Countre more It hath well appered by that I haue at large sayd and proued that longe and many yeres before the Conqueste at which time you onely beginne your course as well in Brytannie before the Saxons coming as in England after of thē it was so called the Popes Primacy was clerely confessed and practised euen as it is at this day amonge the Catholikes euery where As for the gouernement of William the Conquerour of William Rufus his sonne and of kinge Henry the first it hath bene proued so farre vnlike to that which you pretende of right to appertayne to the Crowne of Englande yea to all princes whatsoeuer that the Popes Supreme gouernement in spirituall matters is by their examples yea euen by the testimony of your owne Authours so expressely proued and so strongely established that a man may well wonder what wytte honestie or discretion you had ones to touche the remembraunce of them for proufe of so badde a cause Your patched adiuncte of the kinges of Hungary hath appeared a greate vntruth on your part and nothing for your purpose except lies can proue your purpose That which foloweth of the Armenians and of the Aethyopians proueth also moste euidently the Popes Supremacy in those Countries but proueth no whit your singular paradoxicall primacy Verely so singular that in no one parte of the vniuersall worlde it can be founde The doinges of King Stephen and kinge Henry the .2 haue proued the popes Supremacy in our Coūtre but that kinde of Supremacy as you imagine they make no proufe of in the worlde The Martyrdome of S. Thomas by the way also is defended against your ād M. Foxes lewed lying about that matter Henry the .6 Philip and Otho the .4 Emperors of Rome haue bene no fitte examples for the like gouernement now in England and your sely argumentes in that behalfe haue bene to to childish and feble Your proufes of kinge Richard the firste and of kinge Iohn haue appeared mere ridiculous Onely by occasion therof the lewed lying of M. Foxe hath bene partly discouered touchinge kinge Iohn Your matters of Fraunce about that time haue proued the popes primacy not the Princes By the discourse of Friderike the .2 his doinges as your principall cause hath taken a great foyle so a mayne number of other your heresies by your own Authours and your owne Supreme head condemned haue geuē a great cracke to al your Religion beside The time of kinge Henry the .3 condemneth alltogether the primacy in your booke defended and pronounceth clerely for the Popes Supremacy by sundry and open practises as Appeales to Rome depositions of prelates by the pope makinge of Ecclesiasticall lawes by his Legate and such other And for your parte in that place you haue vttered your greate ignorance euen in the latin tongue At that time also S. Lewys the Frenche kinge agnised no lesse the popes primacy in Fraunce and therefore can be no fitte example of such Supreme gouernement as by Othe M. Feckenham is required to sweare vnto The like also appeareth by the state of Apulia and Sicilia in those dayes As for kinge Edwarde the firste kinge of England the Popes primacy in his time was so well agnised in the realm of England that euen in temporal matters his Authorytie tooke place Your fonde surmise of the Statute of Mortemayne hath exemplified your lewde lying and encreased the number of your maniefolde vntruthes It hath not exemplified your pretended primacy neither any thinge furdered you for proufe of your matter Philip le