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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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bad watchmen and idle shepheards who have lost all if suddain help come not from another hand now if some had come against you with carnal weapons then had you had some excuse in crying to the earthly powers but in ●hat nothing but spirit comes against spirit and yet hath lost the day this doth clearly manif●st the power of God you have not in you but have lost the kingdom of the most high and so are become unreasonable men who would have two weapons against one and another to do your work and yet are unwilling to forego your wages yea this advantage you have had divers years but have not prevailed therewith And whereas then sayst thy book is of great consequ●nce an●●o then presum●s to make King Charles the patron of it and th●n ask●s pardon for thy presumption when thou hast don● I say so thou hast n●ed the substance of thy bo●k being made up of false acc●●ations gathered up out of books formerly written against us which have been disproved by answers several times over and to these thou hast added som few accusations as false as the old and spied out the failings of som few who have mourned before God that ever they should give occasion to the enemy of God so to blaspheme And many things which was done and spoken by others who are not of us nor ever was and of this is thy book made up as any may see who reads it and our severall Answers to the charges therein many of them of severall years standing against these false accusations which have most of them been printed over and over and presented to the former powers that have risen and as oft Answered so there needed no more to be said then hath been were it not for the sakes of some who may yet be strangers to your way of dealing towards us under every power that hath been now discretion will say that to make another man the father of such a work to which he is a stranger but especially a King is presumption indeed rashness and folly and needs a pardon And whereas you now say that none but a Royall Authority can stifle It s true you have tryed Parliaments and Protectors as you called them and Parliaments again and to make them then work for you your Priests used these arguments to them to wit that in the late wars they had exposed lives liberties estates and relations with all personall advantages in maintaining the just proceedings of Parliament and from them you then claimed our stiflings as the price of your p●ayers purses hazards losses banishment and blood as may be read in thy Westmoreland petition against us which thou hast printed in Page 197. and 198. And was not this power that which you then called the common enemy in the same petition Page 200. Which you now cry too and would put him upon that work against us now as defender of your faith c. Ah! faithless generation you have been to God and man may you not shame with this work to print it and send it to King Charles and call him to defend it and patronize it how hath envy bereaved you of your reasonable senses shall he who defends this defend either faith or truth but this is that you may cover your selves with your shame and envy that both King and people and Parliaments may see what a generation you are that will run under any power to get your bloody ends but indeed true to none for if it was true that you was so faithful to that Parliament with your prayers purses and blood as there you plead then is your faith but new which now you would have defended but if not true then how great deceivers and how little to be trusted or defended in your crueldesignes The King that faithfully judges the poor his throne shall be established for ever But if a ruler hearken to lyes all his servants are wicked Prov. 29.12.14 And to thee who hath set forth this book of mischief I say with the Soripture Lay not wait O wicked man against the dwelling of the Righteous spoil not his resting place f●r a just man falleth seven times and riseth up again but the wicked falls into mischief Prov. 24.15 16. J. N. THe day is come that the Scripture is fullfilled which the Lord spake by his Prophet Isaiah●4 25 That he will make the Diviners mad and that they shall every one be ashamed of his Vision Zack 13.4 Micah 6.7 the which doth now evidently appear and their Folly is made manifest unto all that will see and behold it according to 2 Tim. 3.9 And is not this manifest Madnesse and Folly in them called Orthodox and Divines to present unto the King their Packet of lyes which have been seven years told over and so long since disproved and confuted as may be seen in a Book called Sauls Errand c. Printed in the year 1654. and in several other Books since It already hath been and i● now manifest unto all men of sober understandings that these men falsly called Orthodox and Divines have had no defence either to vindicate themselves or disprove the people called Quakers but this refuge of lyes which they first presented to the Parliament sitting in 52. likewise to all other Parliaments which have been since that time and to the two Protectors and now to this present King i● directed and you presumptuously charge him to be the Patron to it requiring him to defend those lyes which you falsly call the Faith But this we know according as it is written Prov. 29.12 19. that If a Ruler hearken to lies all his Servants are wicked but a wise King scattereth the wicked and bringeth the Wheel over them These pretended Divines are such as have bowed and crowched under every appearance of a power by Flatteries seem to cleave unto them that they might uphold maintain and satisfie their God which is their Bellies these were of them which said that Oliver Cromwell was the light of their Eyes and the breath of their Nostrils so that now with shame they might rather confesse that they are blind and dead from the light and life of God than to multiply lyes in their accustomed manner as formerly These also were of them that said Oliver Cromwell was Moses who had led them into a fight of the good Land and that Richard his Son was Joshua which should lead them into the Possession but we with many more do see that their Ho●e is false and their Faith also proved vai● and that they are not yet in the Land of Promise for there no lyars comes And those former Rulers hearkening to their lyes was decei●●d by them which was the cause of Gods Judgements and an utter destruction coming upon them which while they put into the Priests Mouths they cryed peace unto them calling them Moses Aaron and Joshua but when they ceased and could not put into their Mouths then cryed out
ANSWER To a Book called the Fanatick History Published with the Approbation of divers Orthodox Divines so called and Dedicated to the King by RICHARD BLOME Against the QUAKERS· WHICH Being Examined and Tried is found to be a Packet of Old Lies many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament and since to other Parliaments and Protectors which by us was Answered and Confuted in the Year 1653. many other Lies and false Reports is gathered up since by them which herein is Answered and Disproved And herein also is a short Relation of the twelve changes of Governments which have bin in this Nation in those eight yeares under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that Truth which we yet stand Witnesses for against all its Opposers Richard Hubberthorne James Nayler Oh England In thee are men that carry tales to shed blood and in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger In thee have they vexed the fatherlesse and the W●dow In thee have they taken gi●●● t● shed blood Ezek. 22. London Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-Spread-Eagle at the West-end of Pauls 1660. In Answer to the Epistle directed to KING CHARLES FRIEND THou seems to dedicate thy book of false accusations to King Charles and would put it upon him as matter of his duty to be patron thereof but it is a wisdom in all men but especially in Rulers to know what they Father or take upon them to defend in this day when the old lier and murderer is at work in the earth seeking and creeping into every severall government to stir them up that are in present power by false accusations to persecute Gods innocent people yea what power hath risen in this age of men which have not been by flattering titles tempted hereunto and also overcome by a sort of teachers and people which are not children of peace nor have wrought peace in these nations or the rulers thereof but bloud falls and overturnings and if King Charles look to be established in peace and truth and Righteousness which is the anointing of God then he must not patronize lyes Prov. 20.12 Not countenance wickedness and envy which is the substance of thy book which thou wouldst have defended and against a harmless people whom thou wouldst have him suddainly to restrain and that under pretence of defending Christs faith But friend to restrain people from following the light of Christ in their consciences and his truth in their inward parts is not to defend his faith which faith is a mistery and held in a pure conscience And they that follow the Lamb are led by his spirit and truth in their inward parts and this the eternall God of Heaven and Earth requires and seeks such to worship him and this to restrain is not the Kings safety nor the work of his sword nor are you the friends of his establishment in Gods peace who would put him upon it to please your bloudy spirits But to restrain open ●rofainness and to be a terrour to evill doers and to preserve people from the fist of wickedness and to d●liver the poor and helpless from him that is too strong for him and to bring judgement into the gates and make it free for all sorts of people without respect of persons or opinions that the ●vil doer may be punished and the well doer encouraged in every corner of the nations that when God c●me to enquire for innocent blood or oppression it may not be found nor violence in the land This is that which God looks for at the hands of Kings and Rulers that they bear not the sword in vain and this you cry not for by which his authority maybe owned of God subjected for conscience sake but you would have that in the conscience strifled and restrained and then what is all obedi●nce worth towards God or men or Rulers but to follow any thing that is set up and be true in heart to nought and many such spirits will be found in this nation if ever King Charl●s stand in need to prove them further then by flattery and self e●as as those have f●und that was before him And whether it will be his wisdom to fall upon the tender Lambs of Christ and seek to restr●in th●m from following their leader and so procure his wrath for pleasing these spirits let the wise in heart judge who have duly observed Gods appearance towards such a work all along in this age And whereas thy complaint is that if his Majesty put not forth his Royall hand and power to restrain us we are so seducing that in a little time we wil defuse our poyson over the better part of his kingd●m for nought but a Royal Authority can stifle it I say then what is become of your spiritual weapons have not your teachers told people of the str●ngth of truth and the power of godlin●ss have you lost both may wisd●m say and run you now to the arm of flesh to get errors stifled as you call them or else your hope is lost and your faith fails you did ever any of Christs ministers leave their spirituall weapons to run to the arm of flesh or a carnall weapon to stop seducers I say no this they never did but with spiritual weapons they wrestled and overcame spiritual wickedness and with that cut down heresies blasphemi●s and false worships and cl●ared the Churches of Christ of them and drove them down before them in the world for none could resist the spirit by which they spoke of all the false priests and false worshipers but being put to worse they cryed as you say to rulers and people help us or all will be over run for they that turn the world upside down are come hither mind your cry and then the rude multitude run as heaps upon them and made tumults often and fell upon them with staves and fists assaulted the houses that entertained them as yours do and so haled them before rulers who take their part herein and put them in prisons and often whipt them unless it were some that were so noble as not to heed the cry of their multitudes but would hear their cause and give leave to speak before they would sentence them that was accused and this was the nobility of heathen Kings and rulers and do not you seek to make Englands Rulers worse least heathens rise up in the day of judgement against them who are called christians and condemn them And in this your cry for help against so contemptible a people you like silly women do but discover your weakness and worthlesness and if God open the eye of King Charles he will see it what have you pr●●ched and wrestled your selves out of all hope and saith that either suddain help from him or all is lost and overrun Surely it may be said you have been
his work 7. Then Richard Cromwell in the year 1658. was made Protector whom the Priests flockt to as their Rock of defence that he as their Joshua might lead them into their promised Land which was but a Benefice of Tithes or Augmentations their prayed for Inheritance and they told him that the Gospel was bound up in him and so did cleave unto him by Flatteries as they did unto all the rest before him for their own ends but the suffering seed of God which could not Flatter him was not set free who freely declared unto him the word of the Lord and instructions from the Almighty before his day was over 8. And again his Parliament sate in the year 1659. they continued and did not free the Sufferers and imprisoned ones who suffered only for the worship of their God and for the exercise of a good Conscience but they went on swiftly in the way of their destruction to impose Worships upon People and to decree unrighteous Decrees and upon that Rock of Religion they were broken as others had been before them though they were exhorted to righteousness and told of the evil that did come upon them 9. The 9th Government was again the Long-Parliament who came in with great Pretences and Resolutions and Protestations to make this Nation a Free-Commonwealth not only in name but in nature And they begun well and to call the Prisoners up to London who suffered for Conscience sake and freed some of them and many of them intended to take away that great Oppression of Tithes whereby much deceipt and many Deceivers are held up in the Nation and then the Priests rage was kindled against them and they cursed them in their Pulpits and preached up war against them and themselves get Horses Pistols and Swords to fight for their Tithes and Maintenance and when they were routed then they again petitioned the Parliament some begging pardon and some pleading not guilty and the Parliament was so blind that upon their Dissimulation they let in the Priests again and begun to gratifie the Priests and establish Tithes and then the wrath of God broke forth against them and their Destruction was prophecyed of and told them that it should shortly come upon them as it came to passe because they would not receive the Lords Counsel in their day 10. Then the Armie and Committee of Safety so called had the Power and Government in their hands which they did not improve as they might have done for the liberty of the Subjects neither did they receive that counsel from the Lord which would have opened their understandings how to have ruled for him but with corrupt reasonings among themselves perverted one another and confounded their own work reasoning out the good and honest intentions of some that was amongst them untill they all became as a heap of Confusion and their work broken to pieces A just reward of their own devices and following the counsels of their own hearts neglecting the Advice of that Spirit of righteousnesse which should have led and also established them in the work of the Lord in the Nation so as unworthy and disobedient were they cast out 11. Then again the Long-Parliament had another day of Tryal given them into their hands but a mad Zeal and Fury attended them against the honest and upright-hearted people and the Fury of the Oppressor was highly exalted amongst them bu●ning like Fire in which they could not contain themselves nor possess their own Spirits in quietness in which Fury was Folly the effects of which did betray and destroy both themselves and others They being diverted from their first intentions and desire after righteousness a just recompence of reward for their Disobedience came upon them according to many true Testimonies from the Lords Servants unto them which if in time their Ears had been open to the Lords instructions and their Hearts inclined to righteousness that swift and sudden destruction had not so soon come upon them but they being blinded with Fury in their anger would neither hear nor see that which was the effect of their own work nor the Lords hand of Justice near come upon them as now they may consider it 12. The Secluded Members then came in as a rod of Gods anger and of Justice or a prey upon them and it was manifest to the seeing Eye that God had tu●ned his hand against all those which had abused his Power and neglected his work who had sought and set up themselves instead of the Lord and his righteousness and now when the Lords hand is justly stretched for to wound those that by him would not be healed who shall forbid it untill the Cause be removed and t●ey purged through judgement and suffering And now unto you the present Power King and Parliament be not high minded but fear be not lifted up as though by your Arm Power and Policie you had got a Victory For it is Righteousness yet which the Lord doth require and if by his immediate Power without your Sword he have cut off all those that you might be grafted in Consider therefore Gods end in so doing for it is by that immediate Power of God which hath broken them that you must stand if you do stand for God is the same and will be to you as he hath been to others as you answer or not answer his requirings For it is not Persons that God accepts but he that fears God and works righteousness is accepted of him therefore as you look to be established by the Lord do Righteousness Equity and Justice to every man without respect of persons and those that according to the Equal and Royal Law of God walk doing unto others as they would that others should do unto them Take heed of imposing any thing relating to the matter of Worship upon the Consciences least you kindle Gods wrath against you as others have done which will not easily be quenched for upon this Rock have many been broken and others wounded so that they could not again be healed And two things we would mind you of especially First That you are not come in by your own Sword or Power but by a remarkable hand of God in such a way as neither your selves nor many other could have expected 2ly Consider what a flood of unrighteousness licentiousness and fleshly liberty hath of a sudden overspread the Nation upon your comming in which although it received some little seasonable curb by a Proclamation from King Charles till which scarce a man fearing God and that could not joyn with them in their riotings and drunken healths could pass the Streets in most places of the Nation yet the Body of that Iniquity still stands in many places as in May games Fidlings Danceings Stage-playes and divers other ungodly vain Sports by which Gods righteous Soul is still grieved the Spirits of all people that truely fears God sadned the weight of that wickedness which already lay upon the Nations mightily encreased quite contrary to what such a work as your comming in after such a manner required All which speaks dreadfull things against these Nations in the sight of many who are most acquainted with Gods fear and have that Eye in them which foresee Evil to come in whose Hearts and Mouths it is now to warn you in love to your own Souls who are in Power to scatter such Wickednesse and the Nation● peace and well-being That the Wrath that is already threatned might be prevented from comming in your day And we desire That you may take more notice of the Lords warnings to you than others have done that have gone before you that Gods hand and power be not turned against you as it was again●t them Richard Hubberthorn THE END Pro. 4.16 Pro. 20.8 and 26. Pro. 39.14 Eccles. 5.8 1 Tim. 3.9 Iohn 16.13 John 4.24 Psal. 82. Rom. 13.3 Amos 5.15 Isa. 5.7 Isa. 32.7 2 Cor. 10.4.5 Ephes. 6.12 c. Acts 6.10 Act● 21.28 Acts 17.5.6 Acts 25.15 16. 2 Thes. 3.2 Mica 7.8 Joh. 11.9 10. 1 Tim. 6.16 R●v. 21.24 Isa. 53.1 Joh. 3.80 Mat. 5.48 Heb. 6.1 Heb. 2.11 Ephes. 5.30