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A05689 Cartain obseruations of that reuerend, religious and faithfull servant of God, and glorious martyr of Iesus Christ, Mr. Randal Bate, which were part of his daily meditations in the time of his sufferings, whilst he was prisoner in the gatehouse at Westminster Bate, Randal. 1625 (1625) STC 1580; ESTC S117192 109,500 280

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Lord to anger That you s●ould dare to send such a l●me and bl nde m●ss●nger to the Lord of Frosts and such sacr●fices withall comming from the drowned in ignorance and superst●t●on and that you should put the Lords name upon such a M●nister which is not s●●t nor allowed by him Doe you n●t depriue your selu●s of those excellent and p●ec●ous treasures in the Gospell of Christ because you want a man to preach them Ep●es 3 Doe you not hereby ●ndanger and loose your soules which liue in ignorance 2 Thess 2. Doe you know the anger of the Lord will be upon you for this Hos 6. Would you chuse for the bodies sake such a Physitian as hath no skill at all nor any good report to haue cured any under his hand Or such a Counsellour as could not advise but reade you a statute or book-case at all adventures Would you trust your sheep with an Idoll-shepheard that cannot tend them And will ye make so small account of your soules thus to passe them over O return and seek the Lord ye haue hitherto sitten in ignorance and in the shadow of death you never knew what the Gospell meant nor what a God the Lord is witnesse the base and wicked conceiving of him and carriage towards him in publique and private Wherfore let this moue you to provide you a man of understanding that may be able to f●ed you Turn you therfore from all your evill wa●es that yee may be brought to Sion the place where the Lord will be found and seen of all his people Let none be so hardy as to maintain these in their Callings SECTION XIIII THe next sort of Min●sters wherof some doubt whether they may hear them or no are such as conforme to these ceremonies now controverted Which howsoever it come in them from an utter hatred of Popish devises and an heart carefull to keep themselues unspotted of the world yet without all quest●on they erre Concerning th●s therfore that mor● clearly the truth may be boulted out we will propound some grounds to stay upon 1 The Ordinances of God remain pure and holy though men be corrupt that administer them and so are like the Lord. 2 Private men are bound to try the doctrine of M●n●sters and look to that rather then be examin●ng of their entrance into that Calling they are in this all the Scriptures run upon 3 God doth good to his Church by the gifts he hath given to wicked men for his people For they are f●om the Holy Ghost given to restore the Saints and for the work of the Ministry These things considered it may appear upon sufficient grounds that men may lawfully hear 1 Such as are conscionable in their Ministery though they erre in judgement for the Ceremonies and be ordained according to the manner of the times For first these haue the substance of a lawfull calling elect●on and approbation from the people 2 Dissention in lesser matters hath never hindred either Communion nor est●em●ng one of another twixt the servants of God Phil. 3. 3 These are sent of God though not by this way they are not unlike to Iacob whose the blessing was though he should not haue sought ●t by lying 4 Their sin in admission is their own personall sin and cannot hurt others not partaking with it 5 Men may and ought to receiue their send●ng not from men but from the Lord of the Harv●st Object It seemes to approue thei● sinne since men pertake with them in their Ministery which they haue gotten unlawfully Is it not to communicate in stollen goods Answ No for they ought to be admitted and the Ministery is the●rs and the Congregations choosing them onely it is their errour to come in by a wrong way Now to st●al is to take from men that which doth not belong unto them which cannot be applyed to them A second sort of Ministers are bad and corrupt in doctrine and manners these preaching many truths from God may be heard For 1 They sit in Moses chair Matth. 23.2 Moses chair is the doctrine of Moses otherwis● they should haue sit in Aarons chair if he had spoken of the Calling 2 Otherwise we should not yeeld absolute obedience to the doctrine taught except it were Moses doctrine 3 The main cause why the people should hear these is manif●sted by our Saviour but this is not so much succession in Calling as succession in Doctrine 1 These Pharisies had corrupted their Call●ng 2 They perverted the Law with their Glosses 3 Were ignorant of the righteousnesse of faith 4 Hipocrites in life and bitter enemies to the Kingdom of Christ 5 They preached the Word without authority coldly as did not stir affections 2 Argu● Doctrine and gifts are the Churches who may take their own from a very theife Yet these Cautions must be observed 1 That we be able in some measure to discern and try the spirits 2 That w● be compelled by necessity 3 That we b● careful to get what p●ivate and pub●●que help possibly we can 4 That we hunger after other powerfull meanes and as soon as the Lord offers any we remoue and follow the light 5 Refuse private conversing with them 6 Contend for the truth in any pa●t oppu●ned by them Object May not Popish Iesuits or the like then be heard Answ Th●se are the professed servants of the beast not of Ch●●st for they haue quite changed the Ministery into a Pri●s●hood 2 We are quite separated from this false Church by the commandement of the Lord and the Magist●ate and all Chu●ches assenting to the same 3 Th●se doe plainly seek to seduce us and withd●aw us from the wor●h●p of the true God all which cannot be found ●n these of our own Church from which wee haue ●o such warrant to seperate nor doe seeke to draw us qu●te from Christ in fa th Yet thus far let me speak to you of the Ministry thus corrupted that are negligent and doe not sorwa●n the peop●e of God of danger You that look to your own wayes and make your belly your God You that preach as they Ier. 5 that other Lords may ●ule over the flock of Chr st Consid●r what you are Are you not men of God Should not you be holy that draw neer to the Lord Should you trouble the waters with your T●aditions that none can drink almost w th a good consc●ence Should you make the sacrifices of God abhorred by your d●ssol●tenesse Should you smite with your tongues your fellow s●rvants whose Min●stery and conversation you know is better then your own Should you use the flock of Chr●st as you doe never visiting of them many of you If woe be to them that joyn house to house what shall become of you that joyn Congregation to Congregation and to these prebenships D●anries c. Should you be terrible to the humbled and afflicted soules Surely the Lord will judge for his people Hear you that force men to things against their
HAving hitherto treated of some mayne grounds of the Magistrates authority the pillar of arbitrary government It remaines to come to the controversie concerning the persons by whom the Church is to be governed In handling whereof I desire the Christian Reader well to weigh the grounds against the form so much extolled now a dayes I know there are three special things that make men otherwise not evill-minded qu●te rej●●t our cause wh●ch hee that w●ll j●dge ●●ght of must lay aside else he shall b●● bl●nd●d so as he cannot d●scern the truth 1 The first is long and ancient custom in the Church of Christ wh ch to many is a law stand●ng in great force For th●s first po●nt know there is no prescription against the King m●ch lesse against the King or heaven and even the best Churches haue had bad customes w●tnesse the Patr●a●kes Polligamy in do●ng evill and the omission of the feast of Boothes which was not kept from Ieshua till Iosiah Therfore thou must not so look what this or that man that were before thee haue done as what Christ the ancient of dares hath commanded thee to doe And the longer by any forged evidence his right hath been kept from him the more s●ould every one striue in his place to set him in posses●●on again 2 A g●eat Obstacle is the allowance of the Magistrate of this government therfore s●ch as stand aga nst this form seem to derogate from Pr nc●s authority For th●t then though I know t dangerous to meddle w th ●uch persons yet the controversie being tw●xt God and man who feares not the Lord more then all men Therefore this must firmly be held ever That the best Princes are subject to command appoint things unlawfull and hurtfull to the people Thus did David in numbring of the people thus Salom●n 2 The Magistrate is overborn with shews of reason as though this were the most profitable form So the sinne lies heavy upon them that perswade him 3 They that are the Defendants farre more incroach upon the Magistrates right then we doe As God willing●● all be shewed in the things that follow hereafter 4 Reade in Hos 5 the great sin of the Is●a●lites for following the command of the Prince in subjecting themselues to the Trad tions then in force For Magistrates as they haue all authority from the God of heaven so ought they and all others to obey absolutely so far as may stand with his good pleasure Men must not like flattering Athiests imagine that Princes commands e●ther justifie evill or abolish the nature of that wh●ch is good A third let is old Adam yet raign●ng in men which is the greatest enemy to the Kingdom of Christ and in this ●gnorance in many makes them stand for the present government dreaming that we would haue a strange confusion in the Church of Chr●st not conceiving what order was established in the Apostles time and that this order now in place keeps out the order which the Lord himselfe hath established Therefore reade first I beseech you brethren and then judge righteous judgment we would haue Christ raigne over all and each keep in that compasse he hath appointed doing their severall offices without intermedling with strange businesses which weaken and unfit them for the Churches service A second argument of corrupt nature is carnall desire of liberty which is the strongest adversary to beat down and vanquish For men haue ever resolved to break the bonds of Christ and not to haue him raign over them This makes many to rage and blaspheme the contrary form to these times because they are like untamed heyfers that cannot bear the yoke of Christ This should rather perswade against this present form of government since men naturally are enemies to God and cannot brook the Ordinances rightly to be administred and s●condly that to suffer men to haue their own will is a thing most dangerous to them as to the Israelites in choosing their King or obtaining Quailes Oh consider thou man that art called a Christian how thy disobedient life causeth the way of God to be evill spoken of and so thou layest stumbling blocks before Papists and Turkes and bringest fearfull woes upon thy selfe This comes in part for want of strict discipline and therefore be content to deny thy selfe and fall not upon Christ And ô yee that sit in the throne of God make way that Christ this King of glory may come in and set up his throne amongst us outwardly Many objections against this truth are brought especially the antiquity of Diocesan Bishops which haue been even since the Apostles times the seven Angels Rev. 2.3 they say were Diocesan Bishops and Histories mention the being and continuance of them in the Church To this it is and may be truely answered That there are divers kinds of Bishops 1 Apostolicall which onely are parishionall these were Pastors Teachers and Elders 2 Such as were Pastors onely though over many Churches such were the Bishops of the Primitiue times 3 Diocesan Bishops which came in afterwards and so they rose till they came to the Popedom That Diocesan Bishops were in the Apostles times it wants all shew of reason as is proved sufficiently before For that out of Rev. 2. 3 I referre the Reader to the discourse betwixt Mr. Downam and the Answerer of h●s Sermon Onely consider that cannot possibly be meant of Diocesan Bishops For Acts 20 Paul left none such but there all Elders are Bishops 2 All Ministers are Angels therfore it cannot be meant of Diocesan Bishops 3 It is against all h●istorie both Divine and Ecclesiasticall to bring in any such consoc ation of Churches witnesse the Centuries 4 The Lord if there had been divers Congregations in those places would haue spoken as Paul doth Gal. 1 To the Churches of Galatia to the Angell of the Church of Ephesus c. 1 It may be demanded how these could creep into the Church and men never espy them Answ Those first times were very troublesome which cunning and deceitfull men make their advantage for they fish in troubl●d waters best of all 2 In Cities there was but one Congreg●t●on when the churches were first planted and so but one Pastor which was called B●shop onely which when the Church increased more congregations were established yet continued his carefull oversight which was then his Bishoprick not so much for desire of preeminence as either of ignorance of his duty in this kinde or provident care and respect such had of their brethren 3 Men gaue reason and ca●nall policy too great rule both in ceremonies and discipline and the Church then labouring with content●ons thought that the appointing of one over the rest would bee a meanes to still all and keep them in order 4 Men being chosen at first as arbitrators rather then Iudges for the excellency of their graces and deserts to the Church then for any authority of their places Others following in the same
lightly passed over And the rather because they must liue in some pompe and worldly dignity and haue so many in their courts which liue upon the same meanes By this we may discerne what to judge of their excommunications for there ought to be for open sinnes unrepented of the persons being admonished therof and to be denounced by the M●nister and agreed upon by the whole Church Whese therfore the cause is meerly good for which men are excommunicated that is to say either for performing some Christ an duty or refusing subjection to mens trad●tions in the service of God there Christ absolues Ioh. 9. 2 When it is not done by the church that hath the keies but by some usurper that hath no right unto it it is like the sentence of a drunken man upon an other to be hanged or stabd because he will not pledg him or carrouse No mans sentence but the Iudges condemns nor any but they that God appoints judges Neither may men seek absolution from them for they haue no authority 2 Their excommunication is the crosse the Lord would haue men bear if we cannot avoide 3 They sever us but from the world and driue us neerer to Christ 4 It maintaines them in their usurpation covetousnesie and pr●d● to seeke unto them Quest 2. Whether a man may sue in their courts Answ For causes Ecclesiasticall o● criminall which come within compasse of the to be punished I think ●●s unlawfull For 1 men must rather protest against this wo●k of darknesse 2 These things may and ought to be ordered by Arb●t●ators if it be possible if the lawfull Magistrate fail suffer all c. And the a gument against suing one another 1 Cor. 6 holds more firmly against this first those were lawfull courts these unlawfull secondly it was scandalous then so it is here for they are as great enemies to sincere Religion as these were thirdly though a mans cause be never so good yet thou being one that fearest God truely they will sentence thee and pronounce unrighteous judgement against thy person not minding the justice of thy cause For a good man makes a good cause bad there as an evill man procures favour to a bad cause fourthly their authority is as Ecclesiasticall which is not in the K●ngs power to grant but must proceed from Christ fifthly they haue lost the keyes to whom they were g●ven Wee haue spoken of the first of those call ngs which flowing from the office of Diocesan Bishops is unlawfull Now of the second that as Church wardens comprehending those other bound to the same things they are enjoyned to Against which though the former grounds overthrow the●r call●ng yet more speciall are to be adjoyned because it ●s hard to root out any such long customary office though unlawfull For besides that most men preferre custome before the law of God they doe not once make scruple of any thing ●stablished but swa●low all that is presented unto them without examination Wherfore that with more facility wee may end this controversie obserue these grounds 1 That all men are bound to preseru that liberty which Chr●st hath purchased and bestowed upon them Gal. 5.1 And we are expresly b dden that men should not haue dominion over us e●ther over our soules to beleeu ye ld to what they teach Col. 2 or bodies in spiritual consideration for we are Christs 2 Every subject is bound to fight and striue with spirituall weapons ●or Christs Government and Kingdom to be set up where he is 3 That the meanest office under an un●awfull forme of gove●nment ●s part of that government and though not to deeply p●●nged in sin as oth●rs yet g●ilty of the●r sinns that are chief in a measure 4 That the●e ●s no part of Christs Kingd m nor no truth of the Word so small b●t ●t is worth suffering for and dying for as the godly Iewes surfered b●cause they would not cat Swines flesh Vpon these grounds and the like how discrepant and opposite these are to the government of Chr●st Fo● 1 these keep out the Lords own Officers of ruling Elders which we ha●e proved Christ hath left in h●s church they being in the Apostles t mes not contradicted b●t approved and therefore of Divine Institution In this resp●ct t●erfore they are like Diocesan Bishops who keep out Ministers and people too from their right in government of the church though they doe not equall them That they doe k●ep them out it is plain for they take upon them now to order things for the churches government so that ignorant people can discern no want This argument is firm because one ordinance of God doth not hurt nor keep out an other 2 That which keeps out Gods ordinance keeps out the Lord w●th some spec●all blessing for his children present in each of his o●d nances 3 This in part s●uts the Kingdom of God A second argument against Churchwardens is because these are corrupted and degenerated like the office of the m●nistery that was quite changed ●nto a Priesthood in times of popery So as now they ha●e lost their right in government of the church and yeelded shamefully to Ant●christ whose servants and vassals they were so long time together So as it is not more lawfull to be a Church warden then a Masse-priest for both of them receiu their present being from the man of Sin This argument is firm because such retain the Mark of the b●ast in part 2. The same l ght comming and the same spirit in a great and powerfull manner that was in the Apostles times all darknesse and corruption ought to be removed 3 These keep out the Deacons who are expresly commanded and appointed Acts 6 1 Tim. 3 and confound this with their office which shews both their office to bee new and unlawfull For that the Holy Ghost establi●hed the Apost●es both gaue charge th●y should be elected and they were in the p●●m●t●ue Church many yeares tog●ther t●●l Ant christ got the day and s●t up ●●s throne This is no small wrong to the church to keep out those that were to d●str●bute to the poore so carefully in each congregat●on that there should be no want to any they ea●●d the Mini sters and therfore are called Helps of which hereafter Wherfore as Ester spake of Haman in procur●ng the overthrow of the Iewes The enemy could not recompence the Kings losse no more can they fo● they wrong the poor giue not such testimony of their loue and liberall●ty wh●ch the office of the D●acon doth proclaim and make v●sible to the world Neither must wee think it enough that there are good lawes established For experience witnesseth the necessity hereof n●●ther ought men to confound what Chr st hath severed The Chr●stian Mag st ates duty is to see both Min●sters and people subject to Christs Ordinances not to invent any new 4 An office dev●sed by man ever serues man not God witnesse all the Hierarchy dev sed by Pope who
Church hath in command●ng 2 Let them teach how the people ought quietly to submit themselues to their Minister whatsoever and be content with him 3 Let them that seek Reformation be made odious to the people 4 Let them be taught not to search things doubtfull but beleeue their Minister And in cases controverted let men rely rather on the great learning of the present Church and reverend antiquity then to follow these new Geneva-like preachers that will haue nothing warranted but that which is approved by the Scriptures 6 Let not the Gospell be freely preached For these exercises of preaching and prophesying cut down the kingdom of the Pope This is so full of light that if it be preached so plainly as many doe it will lay open all 7 Let men haue such a kind of serving God as will not stirre nor trouble them but altogether please and delight Let them haue such preaching singing organs c. Are not these from Satan Are they not directly against Christ and his Kingdom And the Kings Majesty and his Kingdom which fals or stands not with a Bishop Ceremonies but with the Kingdom of Christ rather witnes that experience of the Fr. King who revolting from the truth how did the Lord meet with him Wherfore be wise ô yee Elders of Israel and sleep not you that are the Lords Watchmen The divell sows tares and th● peace of the King and weale of the Kingdom depends upon th● suppression of Popery Take hea●t every trueh●a●ted Christian and stand in your places aga●nst such courses as bring either Atheism or Idolatry Keep up the Word soundly preached by the Ministers of God which are the strength of the land Incourage the servants of God that are most ca efull to please the Lord. Cause that there be a generall turning to the Lord by fasting and prayer Let the Sabboths of God be kept and sanctified and t●y then wh●ther the Lord stay not his judgments and blesse the land more then ever Then you shall be called The Restorers of the Breaches And if you be not more carefull to seek the Lord and walk by his wisedom know that all human power cannot uphold your Kingdom against Satanicall d●vises SECT XVII Whether it be fitting to bury in Churchyards Answ IT seeems no For the Scripture and practise of all the Saints is against it 2 Men place religion and holinesse in it and when things indifferent come so be abused they are not lawfull to be used 3 This hath and doth cause so many prayers to be read over the dead 4 The covetousnesse of Priests and Friars hath been a speciall meanes of this course Whether it be not not needfull to pull down Churches built for the honour of Idols Answ It seems it is For 1 Hos 4.15 2 The house of Baal was destroyed 3 The high places ought to haue been d●stroyed 4 It is a part of holinesse to overthrow the Groues Deut. 7. 5 The name and memoriall of Idolls ought to be rooted out 6 To dedicate Churches to a Saint is Idolatry which ought to be removed 7 The gold of graven Images is an abomination to the Lord and an accursed thing therfore also Churches which ●are so defiled Object These places were unlawfull because the Lord had chosen a speciall place where be had put his name Answ That reason is never given 2 the pollution by Idolatry is ever urged as the cheife cause Meanes that the people may be fitted for Reformation 1 Men must hunger after all Gods Ordinances 1 Must set their hearts to seek the Lord by earnest praying and turning unto him 3 They must obseru an holy Discipline amongst themselues in admonishing and reproving one an other c. 4 Must touch no unclean thing abhorring all Romish Reliques and Ant●christ especially 5 When men mourn for the burdens laid upon them and groan for the misery of others 6 Rejoyce in the forwardnesse of them that are most zealous not envying one an other 7 That speciall prayers be continually offered up to the Lord for the Magistrate The danger of seperation after the manner now used by some Let none imagine that because I write gainst the practise of Seperat●on that therefore I hate the pe●sons whom I am pe●●wa●ed th●o●gh tende●nes of conscie●ce doe w●thsta●d these corrupt●ons Hear th●●fore a freinds reproof who tenders your good and desires the holy ordinances of God and in all th ngs to keep a good conscience Sometimes affection may outrun soundnes of judgment and in s●eking to fly more then is sin we fall into greater corr●ptions and nourish much ●vill in us Brethren disdain not to read a few lines which I know cannot abate your zeal and may through Gods blessing make your course more comfortab●e Consider well therfore of these g●ounds I lay as a way to that wh ch follows 1 That there is in each a naturall affect●on like zeal as in other graces the deceitfull hea●t will counterfeit gr●●e so in th●s witnes Iehu there is an errour on the right hand 2 That this blind zeal carries men headlong without examination or sea●ch of their waies to censure others when there is no power further to hurt 3 Men may oppose corruptions in publique and yet neglect to fight against sin resolutely and zealously in themselues therby thinking to please God highly 4 That Tolleration is not approbation Act. 17.30 5 It is the desire of Satan and our own● to seperate from the true children of God upon any occasion whatsoever these enemies much respect 6 Men rending themselues from the true Church as no Church cannot tell where to stay nor to whom to joyn themselues which makes their rents incurable 7 Men may joyn themselus to the purest Congregations if it be without condemning others as nothing 8 Christ is not ever accompanied withall his ordinances in act but many times he goes in one or two amongst his people A Church holding the foundation though it err in many particulars remaines a Church still 9 Many commands binde the Magistrate to redresse things amisse which private persons cannot possibly reform 10 Gods Ordinances make us one with the Lord and with men no further then they are one with the Lord. These things agreed upon I doubt not but men will yeeld to these Arguments following agai●st totall separation First there ●s a true Minist●ry in the Chu●ches of England therfore it ●s lawfull to joyn with them That there is a true Ministery it may appeare 1 B●cause men haue gifts to dispense the Word 2 Men are chosen by the people 3 Graue and godly Preachers doe approue of the ent●●ng ●n of many 4 Men haue ord●nation though not aft●r the purest manner but corrupt wh●ch comming to their knowledg they repent of 5 Men exercise their Ministery not by vertue of a●y power from men but because the Lord hat● s nt them 6 The hand of the Lord is with them to prosper h●s own wo●k so as men are brought to
the Word makes that their ministery grow farre lesse respected People should be driven from Formality and superstition that now come to delight themselues in unprofitable Ceremonies and so delude the Law Then should that be fulfilled Hos 2.18 Popish grounds for maintaining their devises should fall and so Babell should bee cast down and the way shut against all superstition hereafter Thus men shall bring that blessing upon them Psal 137. The people that are in bondage so as they may not examine things but receiu all should freely try the spirits and so hold that which is good Peace should be established 1 With the Lord where they that break the least of his commandements and teach men so shall be counted little or none in the Kingdom of God 2 Peace with our Christian Prince that is over us when as the adversaries of Gods people shall haue nothing like the adversaries of Daniel to accuse them off then shall the King be to the just as the rain upon the mowen grasse Psal 72. 3 Then shall there be peace twixt inferiour Magistrates and Ecclesiasticall persons who should not intermeddle confusedly each in others Province nor one be so adverse to the other 4 Peace twixt Ministers whose hearts burn on against another for these trifles some count us schismaticks and hereticks and others count them Popish to plead for Baal How happy a thing it is and profitable for brethren to dwell together in unity 5 Peace twixt Minister and his people the Minister shall not be then an hatred in the house of God nor shall he spy to intrap others that sincerely and purely worship God as Hos 5.1 6 Peace twixt a man and his neighbour wheras now men reproach and revile one an other for no other cause but dissenting in these then should be fulfilled that Esa 13. 7 Peace with the reformed Churches from whom to dissent having had so long and prosperous a time to get knowledg in and to reform things that are amisle and to speak evill of them that brought such light into the world is shame and sin it indangers their estimation we being so great and happy a Nation But if we doe abuse our prosperity and vaunt our selues because of that to please the Lord and so draw others to us we shall drink deep of the cup of Gods anger 8 Peace with our enemies when our waies please the Lord Prov. 16.7 We shall not need fear the power of the Papist when we hate their sinnes Grounds and certainty of this peace 1 Then men shall be of one judgment when these fire balls shall be removed 2 The blessing of the Lord shall be upon us if wee doe heare and obey Psal 82. 3 All shall set themselues more to please the Lord and drawing neerer to him is the best meanes of concord amongst our selues 4 Wicked profane men shall haue the staffe taken out of their hands wherwith now they smite the Kings faithfull subjects 5 Popish and superstitious persons that now lie hid amongst us and kindle this fire shall be discerned and expelled Are they then enemies to peace that desire reformation and the removall of these Are they not such as pray for the peace of Ierusalem Why are they troubled as enemies to State and Prince And most high and mighty King how happy shall you be if as labouring to set such peace amongst Kings you set this peace in the Church SECTION XXI BY the former grounds I doubt not but men desirous to haue the Lords name sanctified his Kingdom flourish and his will done will easily condiscend to haue these things removed which so trouble the servants of God being meerly unprofitable as all humane inventions are Onely now for the time till they be removed men must know how farre they may joyn in the worship of God where these things are in use which part is needfull for all to learn since the servant of God must haue no fellowship with the unfruitfull workes of darknesse but reproue them rather Therfore first consider these grounds following 1 That these Ceremonies in controversie are imposed upon the people as well as Minister as may appear in the Preface to the Ceremonies in the Service book and that in the name of the people the Minister pronounceth We receiue this child c. 2 That the Church of Rome is an Idolatrous Church full of Idols 3 To eat of things offred unto Idolls and partake in Idolatrous Ceremonies is sinne 4 It is the property of superstitious and idolatrous things to infect and pollute the places where they are 1 Our Saviour Christ cast out all those mony-changers that had seated themselues in the house of the Lord before hee taught in the Temple and Iosiah cleansed the Temple before he offred in it This therefore shews men should not offer their sacrifices where there are abominations and filthines 2 Men must shew an utter dislike and hatred of the garment spotted by the flesh Deut. 7 they must not take it into their house 2 Cor. 6 it must not be touched 3 Men must flee from all Idols and Idolothits and must not look upon them Though men may cavill at the former places as being meant of the innner man yet the latter are plaine This toucheth men in that it is imposed upon all 2 Men doe not flee from it but draw neer unto it 3 The worship there performed is not pure but mixt for men are commanded to break the second commandement 4 Though the personall sins of the Minister doe not hurt the people yet his Ministeriall and publique sins doe hurt which he performs from the people to God 5 What example can be brought where the holy men of God haue communicated with such things 6 Men are bound to protest against all these corruptions Obj. Men hate them in heart Answ The Lord in each commandement in the second especially forbids the least inward respect from the body 2 It it an appearance of evill by which many may be offended weak ones especially Obj. 2. Presence is not approbation since men are not present for that purpose and secondly men may be present to hear corrupt doctrine taught therfore where corrupt ceremonies are used Answ Presence onely is not approbation if men haue a calling thither 2 If they protest openly against the same 3 Consider that the Lords bids thee come thither but man bids thee sin if thou come to worship God after the order of the Congregation wherin this is injoyned it is not onely thy bare presence that argues thine approbation but this thy yeelding in shew to Ceremonies 4 All mens presence together doth uphold and continue them Obj. Men may be present at false doctrine Math. 23 why not at these then Answ 1 Men are not certain that then and there he will preach false doctrine 2 Men in that case are bound if it bee possible to hear sound Teachers and ordinarily to frequent where false doctrine is taught is dangerous and a