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A35013 The third part of Babel's-builders unmask't in a reply to a piece of hypocrisy &c. published in the name of T. Laurence whose great age may somewhat mittigate his crime, and therefore this is chiefly intended for the approvers thereof. Crisp, Thomas, 17th cent.; Lawrence, Thomas, 1645?-1714. William Rogers's Christian Quaker. 1682 (1682) Wing C6954A; ESTC R29745 10,167 10

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THE THIRD PART OF Babel's-Builders Vnmask't In a REPLY to a piece of Hypocrisy c. Published in the Name of T. Laurence whose great Age may somewhat mittigate his Crime and therefore this is chiefly intended for the Approvers thereof IN your Hypocrasy c. you have acted contrary to Christs Command which was what soever you would have another do unto you do the same unto them but if Christs Command have not Influence on you I had thought G. F's great Champion G. W's Doctrine might because some of you so much boast That you be all of one Mind he saith To condemn that in another which one allows in themselves is not Christian like In pag. 11. of Hyp. you say If G. W. is guilty of a lording Spirit thou oughtest to have told him before published And in pag. 15. pretend kindness and confess that our Acquaintance and Vnity 20 years since was joyful and yet you so forget what you say was my Duty you never sent me one of your Books nor notice of them but publickly exposed me as Ranter Rotten-heart Painted Sepulchre Erronious Schismatical joyned to the Son of Perdition and treacherous dividing Spirit and other reproachful Names Pag. 1. What can'st not Preach without a Text Hereby you shew your selves more like Ishmaels Race than Christs Disciples by your vain scoffing and do the same you falsly charge and scoff T. C. for for you take your Text from J. P. viz. took thine out of W. R's but that Book you Answer is not that J. P. and T. C. discoursed on but published since as by the Title you may see it is the second Addition and compared with Is P's before published therefore your vain Scoff is a false Accusation also And for your reproaching G. B's Sound Testimony as in pag. 7. Erroneous and Schismatical it is not consistent with what you say of him in pag. 5. That you hope he is at rest and I believe so and he deserves not such evil Treatment from you nor dare you have done so in his life time also ye twice add to his words in pag. 6. without respect of Persons and in page 7. without Persons and then pervert them inferring that he excludes the Spirit from making use of Persons by the addition of those words but G. B. doth say p. 10. Tes● If the Spirit do move any to declare that is the Pastor c. That he opposes is fixing Offices on Persons or Persons in Offices that they must for their Lives or Pleasures Govern Order and see for their Brethren Remember Gehazai altho he was sometime a Servant to the Prophet and sent of Message by him but not after Naaman but he went in his own Name and falsly used his Masters Name and deceived him it may be so with G. F. and that may be your Figure and I fear is your Case In pag. 6. Hyp. Why dost thou write and many of your Side declare Thou hast cited some of my Reasons and may'st see more in the Preface and pag. 16. And in p. 7. Hyp. You cast away Christs Government Discipline and Doctrine and Ministers thou told'st me there was no need for any Discipline I remember not those words but we had more discourse than that I am sure and therefore by J. P s Rule you are in this Crafty Manglers and Curtailers c. but I intended them not against Order and Discipline but against imposing G. F's Forms on others which in Conscience cannot submit to them as Christs Government and great Ordinances c. And if you mean by Christs Government and Ordinances G. F 's Laws and Party as it seems to me you do then I confess as such I do cast them away as the Calf Aaron made to please the People for I cannot receive them as such Dignities as you in your Hyp. would have them be or as C. T. saith From the Oracle of Divine Breath for there appears to me as much cause to protest against you and them as for the Protestants against the Papists Sacrament of the Altar for they would have the Bread to be received as Christs Real Body and your high dignifying G. F's Laws do tend to the same Idolatry Hyp. in pag. 8. T. C 's Piece of stollen words which he doth not deny but saith he took them out of W. R's I wonder you are not ashamed to assert such Untruths were this against S. Crisp he would call you Lyer and Palpable Lyes c. ye would think it unrighteous Judgment to accuse you for Imposers and to be Lords over the Consciences of your Brethren and for proof thereof to say you do not deny it but T. C. doth deny it and never did so say therefore your Accusation is unrighteous and slanderous and in it three untruths 1. That T. C. stole or took them from W. R. 2. That he doth not deny it 3. But saith so For that discourse with J. P. was about his Fathers Testimonies and not any other part of that Book And in pag. 8. Hyp. Thou sayest some have promoted Government and Orders to the compelling others before convincement Here you mangle and abuse by picking out words to alter the sense for in p. 11. I say Some have endeavoured to promote c. But you as your usual manner is drop what is not for your purpose and leave out Endeavoured also many other words whereby the sense is altered for there is great difference between doing and endeavouring to do a thing for that may be endeavoured which is never done but I will shew you what I mean by Endeavouring to compel constrain or impose I take to impart much one Gal. 2.14 Paul to Peter Why compellest thou the Gentiles c. and they constrain you to be Circumcised now Peter had no power to compel them but by Preaching to them That except they were Circumcised and kept the Law of Moses they could not be saved as Acts 15. This is by Paul termed Compelling or Constraining and by him withstood and testified against although promoted by Peter the Eldest Apole and Peter c. had more to say for themselves and Moses's Law than you have for G. F. and his Laws of Womens Meetings and Marriages and although the Church if Jerusalem at the Request of the Gentiles and not by any assumed Power to inforce Laws resolved on the Question the Gentiles need not observe Moses his Laws yet we find in the Epistles to the Romans Corinthians and Galatians that the Apostle permitted the Practice of some things to some that were conscious of them as Days Meats c. and said Let every one be fully perswaded in his own Mind Judg not one another and it was the Preaching of Forms or Ceremonies of necessity to Salvation that then was termed compelling although such things as might be allowed to be believed or practised yet when they would impose them on others are termed a Yoke and not to be born and caused Paul to say If you