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A67211 Primitive Christianity continued in the faith and practice of the people called Quakers being in answer to a pamphlet entituled, Primitive heresie &c. and which may serve as an appendix to a book entituled, An antidote against the venom of the snake in the grass, by George Whitehead / Joseph Wyeth. Wyeth, Joseph, 1663-1731. 1698 (1698) Wing W3761; ESTC R27627 39,601 74

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nos hodie à Romano Pontifice sine ulla satis justa causa secessionem fecisse priscorum Patrum veterum conciliorum anctoritatem pronihilo putare Caeremonias antiquas à patribus proavis nostris multis jam Seculis bonis moribus melioribus temporis approbatus temerè insolenter abrogasse nostra tantum privata anctoritate injussu sacri Ocumenici consilii novos in Ecclesiam ritus invexisse atque ista nos omnia non Religionis causa sed contention is tantùm studio fecisse Se autem nihil prorsus immutasse omnia vero ut ab Apostolis tradita ab antiquissimis Patribus approbata fuerint ad hunc usque diem per tot secula retinuisse They cry every where this day We are all Hereticks departed from the Faith have rent the Vnity of the Church with now and ungodly Tents that we have Revived and Restored the old Damned Heresies have sown new and unheard of Sects and Madnesses and are already broke into Factions and Divisions nor by any agreement can never be united among our selves Impious Men of monstrous Manners making War against God and living without all Worship and Fear of the Godhead That we despised every right Way and used no Virtuous Discipline nor loved either Laws Manners Religion Right or Equity but let loose the Rein to all manner of Wickedness and Provoked the People to every kind of Licentiousness and Lust and sought and did this that the State of Kingdoms and Monarchies might be over-turned and reduced under the Rule of the Rash and Vnskilful Multitude That we have Tumultuously Separated from the Catholick Church and have shook the Earth with a Nefarious Schism and have troubled the common Peace and Quiet of the Church and as Dathan and Abiram from Aaron and Num. 16. Moses so we this day from the High Priest have made separation without any cause sufficiently just That we account for nothing the Authority of the Ancient Fathers and Old Counsels that we have rashly and insolently Abrogated the Ancient Ceremonies and Good Manners which by or Fathers and Fore-fathers for many Ages were Approved and only by our private Authority have brought new Rites into the Church no Holy and Ocumenick Counsel Commanding and that we have done all these things not for the cause of Religion but only in a Study of Contention But that she is not all changed but that all things as delivered by the Apostles and as they have been Approved by the Ancient Fathers do through so many Ages remain to this very day This with much more in the Apology is said to have been the Charge of Rome and yet I do not doubt but this Man will readily discharge Her from these these alledged Crimes Hence we may have at least this Consolation That we are not therefore Villanously Criminal because Villanously Charged and to shew that we are not so there hath been already Published an Answer to that Venomous Piece of Villanny The Snake in the Grass wherein is also ome notice taken and answer made to some noted Passages in two other Scandalous Pamphlets one Entituled Satan Disrob'd c. and the other A Discourse for Water-Baptism c. which Answer is Entituled An Antidote against the Venom of the Snake c. by George Whitehead in which Answer is a Discovery of the Falsity and Envy of this Loose Charger But as to what is here advanced being what he says he Promised upon this Subject in hopes that the Quakers seeing the Prim. Her P1 .. original of their Errors may bethink themselves and return from whence they have fallen I do tell him that whatsoever his Promise was his Performance is very bad because what he assigns for Original Errors are but his Coppied Fasiti●s upon us having been Charged by our Enemies many Years past and therefore we are very far from returning to Communion with one whose Fellowship is with the Father of Lies As to the Oral Traditive Faith by which he would Confirm Baptism tho' said to be learned within 150 Years after Christ it is what will not do it for the same Antiquity and pretended Authority may be brought for Mistakes more noted But besides Faith is the Gift of God to whom we must look for it and not to the Mouths of Men Indeed if he can absolutely determine the question by the Scriptures the Work is done and then there is no need of any doubtful help but if not it will not avail tho' he bring many Clouds of such Witnesses in the latter Ages and the Reason is plain because Scripture is what he calls his Rule not to be tried by them but they by it and if found contradictory thereto our Dissent cannot be Criminal And notwithstanding he calls this A Cavil we learned from Elder Dissenters we are not afraid to stand by it and therefore pay little Reverence to those nor any thing not purely Apostolical Here he says The late Representations of Quakerism hath given it quite another Turn and Face than it ever had before if he had added Ibid. p. 2. that he knew of it had shewn some Modesty but since he has shewn none I will tell him he is Dogmatically False for our Principles are now no other than what they were when we were first a People for Truth changes not and this I hope will appear beyond Contradiction from the many Quotations I shall have occasion to bring in out of many of our former and latter Books so that the Ground of what he calls our Schism and which I say is our just Dissent will consequently appear as large as before He says He hopes our Conversion is nigh or if already Converted our full Reconciliation to the Church He should have told us what Church he meanes for if he means into Communion with himself that is Scandalous to say no worse at present if he means to the Church of England I cannot think she would send a Rebellious Son to call us And here I will take opportunity to Confute a Lying Boast I have heard and which is favoured by what himself hath said above viz. He hath brought over a great many from Us I know not nor cannot hear and I have inquired of one Silly Quaker who is yet so Ignorant as to go from our Allowed Meetings to his Unallowed One And therefore when this his pretended Service is urged as an Argument for his Attonement and Reconciliation I can assure them the Argument is False and there is great Reason it should for God advances not Truth by Piè fraudes much less Impié fraudes He changes Stile and now Fawns calling W. Penn The Valuable Mr. Penn. At the end of his Book he changes again and would there Insinuate This his now Valuable Mr. Penn to be there very weak of which in its place I shall here a little interrupt the Thread of my Discourse upon this Pamphlet of Primitive Heresie c. and bestow a few Words