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A61451	An apology for the ancient right and power of the bishops to sit and vote in parliaments ... with an answer to the reasons maintained by Dr. Burgesse and many others against the votes of bishops : a determination at Cambridge of the learned and reverend Dr. Davenant, B. of Salisbury, Englished : the speech in Parliament made by Dr. Williams, L. Archbishop of York, in defence of the bishops : two speeches spoken in the House of Lords by the Lord Viscount Newarke, 1641.	Stephens, Jeremiah, 1591-1665.; Davenant, John, ca. 1572-1641.; Williams, John, 1582-1650.; Newark, David Leslie, Baron, d. 1682.	1660 (1660)	Wing S5446; ESTC R18087	87,157	146

God as they pronounced or prescribed Thus the reverend and Learned Bishop Bilson in his perpetual Government cap. 4. Besides in every City there were private and peculiar Rulers 21. in number as Iosephus saith and also to every Magistracy in those Cities there was allotted two of the Tribe of Levi for assistance as Iosephus witnesseth and if those could not determine the bus●nesse then they did appeal to the great Council And so Grotius sheweth most accurately upon Mat. 5. 21. Now God appointed these offices and dignities and power of Judicature to the Priests and Levites besides their attendance upon Gods service and the Course of every Priest and Levite was but one Week in half a year to attend at the Temple as Iosephus and Scaliger and Selianus doth shew with other accurate Chronologers so that beside their attendance upon Gods Service they had time and leisure enough to be helpful in the Government of the Kingdome Yea sometimes the principal Judges were chosen out of the Tribe of Levi as at the beginning of their Common-wealth Moses himself of that Tribe the greatest prophet prince that ever was among them So after in succeeding times Ely the high Priest was made Judge in his time So also Samuel a Levite was cheif Judge in Israel as 1 Sam. 7. 15. who judged Israel all the dayes of his life And he went from year to year in circuit to Bethell and Gilgal and Mispeh and judged Israel in all those places much alike as our judges do go their Circuits every year throughout the Land p. 17. And his return was to Ramah for there was his House and there he judged Israel and there he built an Altar to the Lord. And his three Sons after him Samuel made them being Levites Iudges over Israel though they did not walk in their Fathers ways but turned aside after lucre and took bribes and perverted judgement After the Captivity of Babylon for some 500 years till the coming of Christ the Priesthood had the greatest stroke in the Government As Ezra the Priest and brother to Iesus the high priest that returned from the Captivity whose memory is honourable among the righteous as learned Montague sheweth against Selden pag. 377. He had Commission from the Persian Emperor Artaxerxes to govern and order the Controversie Ezra 7. 12 25. and gave him authority to set Magistrates and judges which might judge the people and power to execute the laws of God and the King pag. 26. and to inflict punishments unto death or banishment or to confiscation of goods or imprisonment So that Ezra had great authority and full power given him and his worthy Acts are there recorded So afterwards under the Maehabees who were priests the Common-wealth was governed and it pleased God to make that Family victorious as any other almost that ever governed that Common-wealth as Sir Walter Raleigh sheweth lib. 2. cap. 15. If thus it were anciently among the chosen people of God why then should any in these dayes be so much displeased that a Bishop or a Clergy man should have any part in the Government of the Common-wealth or assistance of Government for the better Ordering and Directing of judgment or to be Counsellor to a Prince as Zechariah the Levite was a wise Counsellor 1 Chron. 26. 14. Benajah a Priest son of Iehojadah was one of David's twelve Captaines being the third Captain of the host for a moneth and in his Course consisting of 2400 was his son Amizabad Benajah also was of David's principal Worthies having the name among the three Mighties He was also Captain of the guard to David and after the death of Ioab he was made Lord General of the Host by King Solomon in Ioabs room 1 Kings 22. 35. So and much rather may a Clergy men now be an Officer in great place or a Justice of Peace in the Country who handles Matters of Equity and good Conscience for preserving of publick peace order and quietness among neighbours wherein happen many businesses that depend much upon the Conscience of a Justice and the Equitable rules of Scripture whereof Clergy men are the most competent interpreters As also many Causes happen touching the Estates and persons of the Clergy who have little reason to be subject onely to secular Judges without some of their own tribe on the bench to see fair carriage and indifferent dealing But for matters of Religion concerning God and his Worship and difficult points of Divinity the Clergy then were and so ought now to be the principal men to be imployed as may clearly appear by the doings of K. David about removing of the Ark to the place that he had provided for it upon which text King Iames hath written a very pious and excellent Meditation Pag. 81. upon the 1 Chron. 15. some of those words are fit to be here recited When the Ark of God whereunto they sought not in the dayes of Saul had continued long at Kiriah-jearim David out of his Zeal and Piety was moved to prepare a Tent for it in the City of David and when he began to remove it he called a great assembly of principal Men but did not make that use of the Priests and Levites as he ought to have done and therefore the Action prospered not but there happened a terrible judgment upon Uzzah which hindered the progresse of the good work and David was afraid of God that day saying How shall I bring the Ark of God home to me so the Ark rested in the House of Obed-Edom But afterwards upon better advice David perceived his Errour and confesseth it Cap. 15. 12 13. Speaking to the Chief of the Priests and Levites Sanctify your selves both ye and your brethren that you may bring up the Ark of the Lord God For because you did it not at the first the Lord God made a breach upon us for we sought him not after the due order This was a great and a godly work that was then intended and therefore King David called a great Assembly about it 1. Of the Elders of Israel 2. Of the Captaines of thousands and hundreds whose Names and Praises are recorded 3. The Priests and Levites Who did it not at the first But now upon better advice King David assembled at first the Children of Aaron and the Levites v. 4. So that men of all Estates were now present in this godly work This is to be marked well of Princes and of all those of any high Calling or Degree that have to do in Gods Cause David doth nothing in matters pertaining to God without the presence and especiall Concurrence of Gods Ministers appointed to be spiritual rulers in Gods Church And at the first meant to convay the same Ark to Ierusalem finding their absence and want of their Counsel hurtful therefore he saith to them Ye are the Chief Fathers of the Levites because ye did it not at the first Thus saith King Iames of blessed memory but

Causes shall belong to the Ecclesiastical Courts CHAP. VIII Some Observations out of the Civil Law in the Empire concerning the separation of Courts and some also out of the ancient Statutes as Selden hath recited them Lord Cokes defence of the Bishops being in Parliament and of the Convocation and High Commission and other Ecclesiastical Courts CHAP. IX The example of the late wars in Bohemia and Germany and France with the ill successes thereof to the Protestants might well have forewarned us in England The goodly Covenant of Bohemia might well have given us Caution to take heed of a Covenant without the Kings consent The Church Lands taken anay formerly are restored by the Emperor in many parts of Germany The Censure of Grotius upon the Presbyterians for their raising of armes CHAP. X. The Division of the Courts in the Empire and the manner of proceeding in them by the Bishops and the Ecclesiastical Lawyers under them AN APOLOGIE FOR The BISHOPS To Sit and Vote in PARLIAMENTS CHAP. I. Concerning Government Ecclesiastical and Civil in the State of Nature from Adam till Moses which was about 2500 years The same person was both cheif Magistrate and also Priest unto God GOD had a Priesthood alwayes from the Beginning of the World to perform the duties of his Worship and the ●●ites thereof Adam was a Priest unto God to offer Sacrifice and to execute such duties as God required in his Service But Adam was also a King or Chief Ruler over all his Children and Posterity So after Adam Seth and the tighteous Patriarchs Enoch and others were Priests unto God as well as Princes and Magistrates and they taught Noah how to call upon God and how to serve him So Noah was also a Prince and also a Preacher of righteousnesse as the Apostle saith of him so that it was not incompatible or inconsistent for the same man to be a Magistrate Prince or Governour and also a Priest Melchisedech after the Flood was the first that was called a King and a Priest and so Christ is a King and a Priest after his order So that under the Law of Nature Kings were invested with a power Ecclesiasticall both of Order and Jurisdiction Therefore these things are not incompatible by Nature and thus it continued for the space of 2500. years from Adam till Moses Princes and Priests were formerly the same both Functions residing in the same person Majorum haec erat consuetudo saith Servius ut Rex esset etiam Sacerdos vel Pontifex unde hodie quoque Imperatores●Pontifices-dicimus They that had the managing of affairs of State had also the executing of Divine offices and so received divine and holy duties and oblations which use obtained in the Families of the old Patriarchs Thus the Learned Montague against Selden cap. 3. p. 537. Ante Legem datam ad primogenitos pertinebat-offerre sacrificia Levitae successerant loco eorum And again to the same purpose Cultus divinus ante legem datam pertinebat ad Primogenitos Israel And again Sacerdotium fuit annexum primogenitur ● usque ad legem datam per Mosem As Lyra says reporting the received judgements of the best Interpreters Lyra in Numb 3. 12. 8. 16. in Gen. 14. Veteribus ordinarium perpetuum fuit ut qui Reges essent iidem etiam sacerdotio fungerentur as Bertram says cap. ● De politia Iudaica The Priviledges which in the Law of Nature followed the Birth-right were these three First the Government or Principality Secondly the Priesthood Thirdly a Portion answerable to maintain these dignities The same light may appear though much darkned in the ancient Government of the Heathen for Heathen Kings are witnessed in old times to have been Priests of such Gods as they served which ancient combining of these two offices in one person came from the ancien● practise in the time of the Law of Nature and from the light of Nature was received among the Heathens Abraham was a Priest in his own Family and in several places of his Peregrination he built Altars and places where he did call upon God and perform all duties of Gods Worship then requisite Abraham did offer Sacrifice as appears Gen. 15 9. 22 7. 2 7 8. Abraham was a Prophet Gen. 20. 7. and received many promises from God especially concerning Christ to descend of him and God gave him the Sacrament of Circumcision and established his Covenant with him God saith of him Gen 18. 19. I know him that he will command his Children and his Houshold after him and they shall keep the way of the Lord to do justice and judgement c. And as Abraham did so likewise did Isaac and Iacob after him who built Altars unto God which was as much then as to build a Church in these dayes and to provide a Minister to preach and pray and administer the Sacraments and perform all other duties of a Pastor Hence it appears fully that in the time of Nature there was not two several jurisdictions one Ecclesiastical the other Civil as is now among us But the same persons discharged both Offices and all Duties belonging to them And further it appears that the priests being the first-born and chief men had such honourable respect and maintenance that they were not reckoned among the lowest of the people and made the off-scowring of all things as now they are If the Clergy may not enjoy any temporal office or dignity they will be crushed down and oppressed in all publick occasions as they find it manifestly in these troublesome times when the neighbours of every parish do impose all Taxes Burdens and Charges upon Ministers more then they formerly used to do or in reason can be allowed But the Clergy have no means to help themselves having none of their own tribe in authority power or place of judicature as formerly they had whereby they could help themselves and restrain the Lay-men from imposing Burdens and charges upon them in excessive manner It is easie to shew particular instances and one of many shall be mentioned When all the Judges of the Land about 20. years agoe had given their opinions and directions in writing upon particular doubts to Justices of peace incident to their offices one doubt was how much and in what proportion a Minister should be charged for Levies to the poor The Justices in the Country and the Neighbours of the parish would taxe the Glebes severally from the Tithes and so augment the Levy to a great proportion both for Glebe and Tythes But the Judges appointed in their answer that Glebe and Tithes should be both taxed together at a tenth part of the Levy in regard Tythes are abated much by small rares and much Land is discharged of Tythes in kind But now in these troubles the Committee-men and such like impose Taxes upon the Glebes severally and Tythes also imposing a sixth or seventh part of the Taxe upon the Tithes which is contrary to the resolution of

the Chancery and Courts of Equity in charge of a Divine Minister So ran that Channel till Sir Francis Bacons Father had it from a Bishop and now a Bishop had it again from Bacon And had King Iames lived to have effected his desires the Clergy had fixed firm footing in Courts of Judicature out of the road of Common Law and this was the true cause of Williams Invitation thither To prevent many Complaints and Mischiefs there can be no better way then to follow the Example of Gods own chosen people of Israel where the chief fathers of the priests and Levites were Judges in all Courts both high and low sitting together with some chief men of the other Tribes of the Laity as they are now called And though our Law be otherwise of late years and the jurisdiction of Courts divided yet it was not so anciently and the King may put some of the Clergy in some places and Courts at least of Equity as King Iames did design if he had lived longer and that without any prejudice to the Law or Courts of Justice CHAP. IV. Concerning the Honour and Dignity of the Bishops in the time of the Saxons and so continued to these times FOr the Dignity Order and Estimation of the Clergy they were from the beginning reckoned and accounted equal with the best as appears by the Laws of divers Kings as first of the first Christian King Ethelbert who in his Laws doth provide in the first place for their rights and priviledges and what Satisfaction shall be made for any wrong done to the Church or Bishops or Clergy Quicunque res Dei vel Ecclesiae abstulerit duodecima componat solutione Episcopi res undecima solutione Sacerdotis res nona solutione Diaconi res sexta solutione Clerici res trina solutione Pax Ecclesiae Violata duplici emendetur solutione Volens scilicet tuitionem eis quos quorum doctrinam susceperat praestare saith Bede These being the first Laws of our first Christian King of the Saxons they ought to be reverenced for their Antiquity piety and Christian Justice in rendering to every man his own due though some men talk not only of taking away superfluities but of cutting up both root and branches O Tempora O Mores And afterwards about the time of King VVithred there were laws made Quomodo damna injuriae sacris ordinibus illata sunt compensanda And often elsewhere in the Councils many Laws do ordain what satisfaction shall be given to the Church and Bishops for several offences committed for then the Bishops had a great part in all fines and shared in forfeitures and penalties with the King Furthermore for point of Honour and Dignity it appears by the Laws of King Athelstan that every Archbishop was equal to a Duke of a Province Every Bishop to an Earl and so esteemed in their valuations Vide K. Athelstani Regis apud Lambardum p. 71. Concil Britannica pag. 405. cap. 13. de Weregeldis 1. capitum aestimationibus The Title of Baron was not then known or used among the Saxons but they called the Nobility Thanes Vid. K. Inae pag. 187. Sect. 9. and the Bishops were equal or rather superiour to the Thanus Major and the priest to the Thanus minor The Bishop and Earl are valued at eight thousand Theynses Messe-Theynes and Worald-Theynes id est Presbyteri secularis Thani jusjur andum in Anglorum lege reputatur aeque sacrum cùm Sacerdos Thani rectitudine dignus est The Priest was then accounted equal to a Knight or Lord of the Town and was commonly styled by the name of Sir as a Knight was though now it be derided and out of use Out of these Laws and some others doth the learned Antiquary who is so well versed in the Antiquities and Monuments of our Laws and Kingdome fully set down the ancient dignity and order of the Clergy Magno sane in honore fuit Universus clerus cum apud Populum Proceres tum apud ipsos Reges Angliae Saxonicos nec precaria hoc quidem concessione sed ipsis confirmatum legibus Sacerdos ad altare Celebrans minori Thano i. e. Villae Domino atque militi aequiparabatur in censu capitis pariter aestimatus pariterque alias honorandus quia Thani rectitudine dignus est Inquit Lex Abbas sine C●nobiarcha inter Thanos majores quos Barones Regis appellarunt posteri primicerius fuit Episcopus similiter inter Comites ipsos majores qui integro fruebantur comitatu juribusque Comitivis Archiepiscopus Duci satratrapae amplissimae Provinciae pluribus gaudenti comitatibus praeficiebatur Vt caeteri omnes Ecclesiastici comparibus suis omnibus secularibus Amplectebantur Reges universum clerum laeta fronte ex eo semper sibi legebant primos a consisiis primos ad officia Reipublicae obeunda Quippe sub his seculis apud ipsos solum erat literarum clavis scientiae dum militiae prorsus indulgerent laici factumque est interea ut os sacerdotis oraculum esset plebis Episcopi oraculum Regis Reipu● Primi igi●ur sedebant in omnibus Regni comitiis tribunalibus Episcopi in Regali quidem palatio cum Regni magnatibus in comitatu una cum comite Iusticiaerio comitatus in Turno Vicecomitis cum Vice●omite in Hundredo cum Domino Hundredi sic ut in promovenda justitia usquequaque gladius gladium adjuvaret nihil inconsulto sacerdote qui velut saburra in navi fuit ageretur Mutavit priscam hanc consuetudinem Gulielmus primus c. After the Conquest William the first divided the Ecclesiastical Courts from the secular not with a purpose to diminish the Ecclesiastical authority Imo jurej●rando confirmavit leges sanctae matris Ecclesiae quoniam per cam Rex Regnum solidum habent subsistendi firmamentum Yet the Bishops and Clergy do not now expect or desire to enjoy their ancient splendor amplitude and dignities seeing the greatnesse of their Revenue which should uphold the dignity is long since taken away So that well might Bishop Latimer in his Sermon before King Edward say We of the Clergy have had too much but that is taken away and now we have too little For there was no lesse in the whole taken away from them then many hundred thousands sterling too incredible to be here briefly expressed I will only mention one for example the Arch-bishoprick of York from which was taken 72. mannors and Lordships at one instant by one of the last statutes of Hen. 8. and the like happened to Canterbury London Lincoln and all the rest which me thinks should be enough to satisfie that men should not go about to strip them of these poor pittances that are left unto them being but small fragments in comparison of their ancient patrimony which the liberality and piety of the primitive times ha● conferred on them when Charity

So Dr. Burgesse termeth the Learned Dr. Davenant Bishop of Salisbury only a speculative Divine He being an eminent and principal Divine Head of Queens Colledge in Cambridge and publick Professor and chosen by King Iames to be sent to the Synod of Dort and by his Learned works publickly famous and renowned Such malapert language against such Honourable and eminent Bishops from an inferiour Doctor is not to be endured without sharp censures Now though some Canons may seem to forbid the Bishops and Clergy to intermeddle with secular affairs yet that is not absolutely forbidden but in a qualified sense as in the famous Council of Cl●veshoe under Cuthbert Archbishop of Canterbury Anno 747. Can. 1. Negotiis secularibus plusquàm Dei servitiis quod absit subditus existit To attend secular affairs more then spiritual and to be wholly imployed and conversant in Temporal matters without due regard to the better part But it will not hinder sacred studies nor the diligent preaching of the Gospel that some principal men at convenient times have a charge and over-sight of Temporal affairs and the carriage of publick businesse And concerning this see more in Bishop Davenants Determinations at Cambridge Quest. 11. Civilis jurisdictio jure conceditur personis Ecclesiasticis Thus much might serve for Reply to the Examiner Dr. Burgesse especially upon the fifth reason which I hold to be the only thing material in the whole Discourse for the rest will appear to be needlesse if this be clear'd But if he would look back to former times he shall find that our Kingdome and Government followed the ancient manner of Gods own people of Israel whose Ceremonies and Rituals though they be now abolished yet the general rules of Justice Equity Government and Order do still remain And as God made the priesthood then honourable in the Kingdome of Israel and committed a great part of the Government unto them so doubtlesse now under the Gospel the priesthood ought to be Honourable and to have a principal part in the ruling and governing of the Kingdome To be a Priest in Israel was to be a cheif man Levit 21. 4. and therefore in all their Courts of Justice the priests and Levites were cheif men in authority for deciding all causes both in the great Court of Sanedrim at Ierusalem which was a Continuation of the 70. Elders appointed by God himself Numb 11. and was answerable in authority to our Parliaments it being the highest Court of Judicature in that Kingdome and so in the second Court of Judgement as our Saviour calleth it Mat. 5. 22. where there were 23 Judges whereof 7. were of the Laity as we now call them Elders of the Cities and every good City consisted of _____ Families unto which 7. of the Elders there were added 14 Priests and Levites as Iosephus sheweth lib. 4. cap. 8. where though he seem to say that the number of the Judges was seven yet if his next words following be well observed he sheweth the addition of two priests and Levites to each of the other Magistrates of the people 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Nam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 intellig it singulos magistratum gerentes quibus singulis bini erant additi adsessores periti juris quos Iosephus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 vocat Septem ergo municipes loci erant judices praeterea adsessores quatuordecim qui ex Levitis maxime sumebantur his supernumer arii accessisse videntur unus alter So Grotius in Mat. 5. 21. and so also the English Translation doth render the place In every City or Township let there be seven Governours such as are approved in vertue and famous for their Justice and let each of these Magistrates have two Ministers of the Tribe of Levi. In this Court of Judgement all manner of causes were heard of Life and Death whatsoever matters of Controversie within their gates Ecclesiastical or Temporal Yet excepting some weighty businesses concerning a whole Tribe or the high priest or a false Prophet which belonged only to the great Council at Ierusalem Whether also they might appeal in any doubtful cause which was too difficult for the inferiour Courts Iudices in portis cujusque Civitatis jus super causis majoribus reddebant in homicidas lege agere solebant de quibus agitur Deutr. 16 18. 21 22. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 autem paena erat gladius quia de homicidis inibi cognoscebatur ut Moses nos docet Christus Grotius in Mat. 5. 21. When King David was old and neet his Death he appointed Salomon to be King after him and caused a Parliament of all Israel to be assembled wherein he gathered together all the Princes of Israel with the Priests and Levites 1 Chr 24 1. 2. In this great Parliament the priests and Levites were not omitted not in any Court of Justice in that Kingdome For as it is p. 4. There were six thousand of them appointed Officers and Judges throughout the land of Israel which is the thing that now many of our Common people do much dislike not well induring a few Justices of Peace to be of the Clergy whereas we have the example of David guided and directed by the Spirit of God as the Text saith 1 Chron. 28 12 13 19. So disposing and ordering the Levites that he appointed some for the outward businesse over Israel for Officers and Judges a thousand and seven hundred were Officers of Israel on this side Iordan in all businesses of the Lord and in the service of the King This Text is very plain to prove that the same man may be employed in Ecclesiastical matters of the Church as also in the Kings Service So pag. 32. David appointed two thousand and seven hundred cheif Fathers to be Rulers over the Reubenites Gadites and the half Tribe of Manasses who were beyond Iordan for every matter pertaining to God and affairs of the King and c. 26. 14. Zecharias a Levite is commended for a wise Counsellour But that now any of the Clergy should be Councellours Judges or Officers unto Princes is accounted by some an unlawful thing or at least not very commendable Whereas we see by this very law and direction of King David that the Levites might attend businesse belonging to the worship and service of God and instruction of the people as also of the publick service and affairs of King and State So the Divines in their late Annotations on the Bible do acknowledge that the Levites did study the Judicial and politick Laws and had power to see the law of God and injunctions of the King to be observed and to order divine and humane affairs 1 Chron. 26. 29 30. 2 Chron. 19. 8 11. So the Learned Grotius Sicut lex erat uan praeptrix divini omnis humanique juris ita apud Hebraeos penes eosdem erat juris utriusque interpretatio Upon Mal. 2. 4. and so other Commentaries do affirm as Lavater in cap. 23. Per

arise in those first ages most of which heresies were such as were fit to be beaten down by authority rather then by reason and argument they being so impious insolent and blasphemous so after his time when he had setled the Bishops authority yet there being two Courts where did arise many differences and debates between the Bishops and the secular Judges of that time touching cognisance of some Causes Iustinian the Emperor made a l●w like unto that Circumspecte agatis of our King Ed. 1. agreeing with it in substance of matter and arising from the same ground and pointing to the same end The Novel is thus Si delictum sit Ecclesiasticum egens castigatione vel mulcta Ecclesiastica Deo amabiles Episcopi hoc discernant nihil commnnicantibus clarissimis provinciae Iudicibus Neque enim volumus talia negotia scire omnino Civiles Iudices cum oporteat talia Ecclesiastice examinari emendari secundum sacras divinas regulas quas etiam sequi nostrae non dedignantur leges And further for the greatness of the Bishops authority it will appear fully if we look upon the Lawes as they lye concatena●ae in the same title where it is said of the Bishops Cum sint ordinarii Iudices And again Similes praefectis praetorio and further Ordinarie quoque procedant The linked Texts in that title of the Code as they stand cited do fully shew the greatness of the Bishops Co●●●● and authority when they are compared and said to be Similes praefectis praetorio who were Illustres Iudices and so stiled in the law they being indeed the most supreme Judges in the whole Empire there being but three in that spacious Empire One in Asia Praefectus praetorio Orientis Another in Europe Praefectus praetorio Illyrici The third in Africa Praefectus praetorio legionibus militiae Africanae The Civil Magistrates were respectively Judges of the Causes which the Emperour had translated from the Empire to the Church which when the Emperour had done and made the Bishops the Judges in the Church as the praefecti praetorio were in the Empire before it appears hereby fully how great the authority of the Bishops and their Consistories were wherein they were assisted by their vicar-generals whom we now call Chancellors as a learned Civilian observes who are no upstarts in the world rising out of the Bishops Sloath as one though otherwise Learned and Eloquent mis-called them but had their original from the law it self Touching whom I will here say something out of the learned Civilians because commonly their place and original is much mistaken by the ignorantly zealous people who do now abound in the world and think nothing lawful in government unless their be express text of Scriture for it as if no calling government or subordination of officers in the Church were lawful but what is expressely and fully set down in the Scriptures and no power and authority left in the hands of Christian Kings and Magistrates to appoint Judges and Officers for Church-discipline as well as for Civil Judicature Therefore to return as the praefecti praetorio quia illustres erant antestabant caeteris dignitatibus ideo habebant vicarios suos in Civilibus causis audiendis terminandis So were the Bishops then and so are they now Illustres judices antestabant antestant caeteris dignitatibus in Ecclesia For the law parallels them in the Church with the Chief Judges in the Empire as well in this as in the rests of the Parts of their Honour wherewith the Emperour had honoured them and the Laws honour them at this day Iustinians Code hath sundry lawes some of his own some of the Emperours before him even from the dayes of Constantine the great which shew that Bishops in their Episcopal audience sate not without their Chancellors although their Chancellors sate often without the Bishops whose higher charge in Christs Church permitted not the Bishops presence in Court-Causes ordinarily And though not under the name and title of Chancellors nor alwayes vicar generals officials or Commissaries yet they had other titles but the same offices Ecclesiastic● or Episcoporum Ecdici as much as to say as Church Lawyers or Bishops Lawyers professed Civilians and Canonists of that age the very self same officers and office that the Bishops vicar-generals then were and now are who together with the Bishops then made and do now make but one and the same Tribunal and Consistory their Commissions they held from the Bishops but their Jurisdiction from the Law And the Cause why the Imperial power furnished the Bishops with these officers was the multitude and variety of Ecclesiastical Causes more in that age then now the decision whereof in their Consistories being left to the Bishops the Emperor doubted might have drawn them from prayers and divine exercises And a second reason was that the cause of the cognisance of their Courts were more likely to have thereby a more speedy ready and Judicious trial before Judges of the same learning which require a whole man then before Judges of another then an higher requiring as the Bishops pastoral office doth a whole man too And a third reason also may be added because the Clerks suites and quarrels should not be divulged and spread abroad amongst the secular sort which trenched many times upon the whole profession especially in capital matters wherein Princes anciently so much tendered the Clergy that if a Clerk had committed an offence worthy of death or open shame whereby he became perpetually infamous he was not first executed or put to open shame before he was degraded by the Bishop and his Clergy and so was executed and put to ●hame not as a Clerk but as a lay malefactor for the Honour and Dignity of Priesthood It were to be wished this Order were retained still that Clerks should not passe immediately when they fall into such excesses from the Altar to the Halter but hang or suffer other shame without their Priesthood which Order if it were retained still or might be restored would much honour the Church and no whit derogate from the jurisdiction of the Crown The Determination of a Question made by the right Reverend Iohn Davenant late Lord Bishop of Sarum QUEST 11 th Civil Iurisdiction is by right granted to Ecclesiastical persons IT is by the warrant of Christ himself that the Church doth claim and execute a Spiritual Jurisdiction in punishing the offences of her Children For it can admit an accusation against the inordinate courses of any Christian and hath power to chastise him being by sufficient witnesses convicted either by denying him the Sacraments or if he continue obstinate in his wickednesse by an utter exclusion of him from the fellowship and Communion of other Christians I know none so malignant or unskilful in Ecclesiastical affairs that will deny this authority which indeed goes not beyond excommunication to have been conferred upon Churchmen from the beginning by