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A19243	Pope Ioane A dialogue betvveene a protestant and a papist. Manifestly prouing, that a woman called Ioane was Pope of Rome: against the surmises and obiections made to the contrarie, by Robert Bellarmine and Cæsar Baronius Cardinals: Florimondus Ræmondus, N.D. and other popish writers, impudently denying the same. By Alexander Cooke.	Cooke, Alexander, 1564-1532.	1610 (1610)	STC 5659; ESTC S108622	128,580	142

Quinti in the yeare 1585. and out of Seuerinus Binnius his edition at Colen 1606. PAP Yea but giue me leaue I pray you If Pope Ioane were omitted for the filthinesse of her fact yet should there haue bene mention made of the vacancie of the Sea for that time she was Pope or else there will be a manifest error in Chronologie PROT. A manifest error in Chronology A foule absurditie indeed to misse two yeares in reckoning But I trow there are fouler then this how euer the matter wil be salued For Onuphrius and Bristow reckon 230 Popes to Gregory the 13 and Genebrard 234. Whereas by Platina his account there should be 235. for he reckons to Zistus the 4. with whom he ends 221. Popes after whom to Gregory the 13. euery man reckons 14. which makes vp the number of 235. Yet Versteganus in his table printed at Antwerpe 1590 numbers no mo then 231. Againe do not some of your Chronologies record that Eu●●ristus sate 13 yeares whereas others say he sate but nine yeare Do not some of them say that Denis sate 11 yeares Others that he sate but 2. yeares And do not these differences and such as these are whereof we haue spoken before in part argue manifest errors in your Chronologies If no further inconueniences follow vpon Pope Ioanes omission then a manifest error in Chronology for that space she liued we may well enough beleeue that some omitted her not for that she was not but that they were ashamed of her For 2. yeares and odde moneths break no square in your Chronologies no more then an inch with a bungling Carpenter PAP Yea but no body within 400. yeares after mentions her Popedome And is it possible that all writers should so conspire together that the truth thereof could neuer be certainly knowne till 400. yeares after PROT. You lauish when you talke of 400. yeares after For I haue prooued vnto you alreadie by the bookes that are yet extant that it was knowne sooner But suppose we had no writer who liued within 400. yeares of Pope Ioane to produce for proofe will you in that respect denie the storie Do not you Papists cōmend vnto vs many stories as true for which you can bring vs no proof out of any writer who liued within 400. yeares after You tel vs of an Image of Christ which was made by Nicodemus who came to our Sauiour by night for feare of the Iewes and of it you report wonderfull things But you are not able to name the man shall I say within 400. yeares of Nicodemus nay not within 600. yeares of Nicodemus who writeth any such thing Againe you tell vs that S. Luke drew certaine pictures of the virgine Marie But Theodorus Lector is the ancientest man that your friends alledge for proofe of this And he Pliued at least 500. yeares after Thirdly you write that our Sauiour Christ wiping his face with an handkerchiefe imprinted his Image therin and sent it to Agbarus for a token But you can name no Author for this but Euagrius who liued 600. yeares after Christ Fourthly the most of you hold it for a certain truth that Adrian the Pope was content that Charles the great should nominate the B. of Rome and other Bishops of his dominions and yet there are among your selues who write that there can be no proofe made thereof out of any writer who liued within 400 yeares of Charles the great his time That the virgine Marie made that coate of our Sauiours which was without seame our Rhemists teach and Others of you adde to that that as our Sauiour grew in height in breadth so the coate on his backe grew Do you thinke that there is an Author within 400. yeares after our Sauiors time that taught so Turrian reports and Gretser after him That the Apostles made this Canon in a Councell which they kept at Antioch Ne decipiantur fideles ob idola sed pingant ex opposito diuinam humanamque manufactam impermixtam effigiem Dei veri ad saluatoris Domini nostri Iesu Christi ipsiusque seruorum contra idola Iudaeos neque errent in idolis neque similes sint Iudaeis That is Let not the faithful people be deceiued by idols but let them on the contrary part make the image of our Sauior Christ both God and man and the images of his seruants and let them not be deceiued by idols nor shew themselues like vnto the Iewes But I do not beleeue that this can be proued to be a Canon of that Councell by anie writer within 400. yeares of that time Your Rabbins alledge two Councels the one kept as they say in the yeare 303. the other in the yeare 324. both sounding much to the Popes praise and aduancing of his authoritie But for any thing I reade the most learned among you can bring no proofe within 400 yeares after that anie such Councels were then kept Nicolas 1. who liued in the yeare 860 is the first whom Bellarmine names for that purpose PAP Why what say you● to our ancient English histories written in the Latine tongue to wit William of Malmsburie Henrie Huntington Roger Houedon Florentius Vigorniensis and Mathew of Westminster For I haue one argument of no small moment as it seemeth to me taken from them for the ouerthrowing of the fable of Pope Ioane PROT. When liued these writers from whence you draw your argument PAP The first foure liued 500. yeares agone and the latest of them 300. yeares PROT. Fie 500. yeares agone William Malmsbury cōtinues his storie to the yeare 1143 and Henrie Huntington his storie till the reigne of Henrie the second which was 1154. and Roger Houedon continues his storie to the yeare 1201. which argues that the first foure liued not 500. yeares agone But what is your argument out of them PAP No one of them all makes mention of this Pope PROT. Oh is that your argument Why I say to that that our English histories might omit her vpon like reason as others of other countries omitted her for her sexes sake and for the filthinesse of the fact And do not you thinke this probable PAP No by no meanes For our English writers aboue others should haue mentioned her if any such had bene PROT. And why I pray you PAP Because king Alfred liuing in Rome when Leo the 4 died and when Pope Benedict the 3. was chosen must needs haue knowne also Pope Ioane if any such had entred and liued two yeares and a halfe betweene them PROT. How know you that king Alfred liued in Rome when Pope Leo died and Benedict was chosen PAP Because we reade that his father deliuered him into the hands of Pope Leo the 4. to be instructed and brought vp by him And that the Pope receiued him with great kindnesse and detained

infinite who neither speake pro nor con Againe tell me whether Denis Bishop of Athens was not afterward B. of Paris though Ado B. of Triers in Germanie and Suidas a Greeke writer make no mention of that his second Bishopricke Your Lipomanus resolues vpon Metaphrastes and one Michael Syngelus his word that Denis was B. of Paris though Ado and Suidas speake not of it Their passing it ouer in silence doth not preiudice Metaphrastes and Syngelus report who say he was B. of Paris in Lipomanus opinion And why then though these and many mo say nothing of Pope Ioane might there not be such a Pope sith as many and as learned as they do reckon her among the Popes Salmeron one of your prime Iesuites notes that when one Historian reports a matter and another passeth by it the latters silence doth not preiudice the truth of the other historians relation Ealex apud historiographos obseruatur saith he vt quando vnus ex duobus historicis aliquid affirmat quod alius supprimit non deroget affirmanti qui tacet PAP Yea but there are in the Popes librarie six or seuen tables of Popes wherein there is no mention of her PROT. And what of that Your Popes Librarie is compared b Baronius to a draw net which gathers together good and bad Your Popes Librarie hath in it bookes of all sorts approued disproued profitable vnprofitable It hath counterfet and forbidden bookes as well as bookes of better reckning They are simple people as we reade in Baronius who beleeue reports the rather for that they are to be found in bookes which are in the Popes Librarie Yet suppose these seuen tables be of best note will you yeeld thus much to me that he who is numbred in these seuen tables or at least in as many as authenticall as these as a Pope was a Pope PAP No not I. For I know that Leo the 8. is numbred as a Pope in many tables and in some of those seuen if not in them all And yet I am of Baronius mind that Leo the eight was an intruder and an vsurper and that he was not worthy to be called a Pope But why asked you of me this question PROT. If this be no good argument Leo the eight is numbred among thee Popes in seuen tables that are in the Popes Librarie or in seuen as authenticall as these in the Popes Library ergo Leo the 8. was a Pope What reason haue you to thinke yours good which is this in effect Ioane the woman Pope is not numbred among the Popes in seuen tables which are in the Popes Librarie Ergo there was no such Ioane a woman Pope If seuen tables speaking out for a Pope do not conuince the being of such a Pope why should their silence conuince the not being of a Pope Might they not as well leaue out one who had bene Pope as put in one who neuer was Pope PAP But why should they haue left her out PROT. Partly for her sexes sake because she was a woman and partly in regard of the filthinesse of her fact For so your stories note And this need not seeme strange to you if you would but obserue that other Popes vpon other occasions haue bene passed by by diuers as no Popes As for example Felix the 2. was a Pope and a Martyr as Bellarmine teacheth For Felicem 2. vt Papam Martyrem Ecclesia Catholica veneratur saith Bellarmine And the sate in the Popedome one yeare foure moneths and two daies as we reade in Platina Yet by Genebrards confession Marcellinus omits to speake of him in his Chronicle because he was suspected of heresie And for the same cause or some such like cause S. Austin and Optatus mention him not among the Popes in their memoriall of Popes Nor yet Bristow in his table of Popes which is printed with his wise demaunds In like manner that one Cyriacus was Pope it is acknowledged by diuers Yet it is rar● to find him in any catalogue of Popes For as a great Papist writeth Iste Cyriacus in catalogo paparum non annumeratur quia credebant ipsum non propter deuotionem sed propter oblectamentum virginum dimisisse Episcopatum Cyriacus is not in the register of Popes because it was thought he left the Popedome not for deuotion but for the loue that he bare to certaine wenches Damasus the second hath his place in many popish Chronicles in the throng of Popes yet there are many on the other side who let him go for one that is naught and neuer number him And in much like sort they deale with others PAP If Pope Ioane were omitted for the filthinesse of her fact why was that close stoole reserued and that monument of hers whereof you told me before set vp in one of the high streetes in Rome For the stoole and the image were as like to continue the memorie of her as any record in writing To be plaine with you I do not see how you can rid your hands of contradiction in this point PROT. Well enough For may not some be of one opinion some of another May not some thinke good to continue the memory of that which others for shame of the world would haue forgotten Did not some of your fellow Papists in France denie that Iohn Chastell was taught by the Iesuits to murther Henry the 4. of France because they were loth to make the Iesuits odious and yet did not others helpe to erect a pillar of stone neare to the kings pallace whereby so much was notified If any man should affirme that the same man who omitted Pope Ioane for the filthinesse of her fact erected such a monument of her in the streets and prescribed such a stoole to be kept for such a purpose I know not how he could deliuer himselfe from contradiction But speaking of diuers men his speech hangeth wel enough together there is no shew of contradictiō in it For further proofe where of it is worthy your consideration that when Paul the third moued with the spirit of God as Harding saith and desirous to reforme the Church gaue charge to his best learned wisest and most godly zealous men that he knew 4 Cardinals three Bishops and two others to enquire and search out what abuses and disorders were in the Church and especially in the Court of Rome which they did offering vp vnto him a libel containing the summe of all their proceedings Some thought their labors worthy of registring others thought them fitter to be burnt which appeares by this that the libell is printed in Crabs edition of the Councell anno 1551. and yet put into the Index librorum prohibitorum by Paul the 4 one of those foure Cardinals who exhibited it to Paule the 3 and left out of Dominicus Nicolinus his edition of the Councels at Venice auspiciis Sixti