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A66525 Infant=baptism asserted & vindicated by Scripture and antiquity in answer to a treatise of baptism lately published by Mr. Henry Danvers : together with a full detection of his misrepresentations of divers councils and authors both ancient and modern : with a just censur of his essay to palliate the horrid actings of the anabaptists in Germany : as also a perswasive to unity among all Christians, though of different judgments about baptism / by Obed Wills ... Wills, Obed. 1674 (1674) Wing W2867; ESTC R31819 255,968 543

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and_o all_o against_o infant-baptism_n and_o be_v short_o after_o upon_o some_o occasion_n at_o oxford_n i_o take_v the_o opportunity_n to_o examine_v his_o quotatition_n in_o the_o public_a library_n and_o upon_o search_v find_v it_o so_o fallacious_a a_o piece_n that_o i_o think_v myself_o bind_v in_o conscience_n for_o the_o honour_n of_o truth_n and_o love_n to_o my_o country_n to_o make_v discovery_n thereof_o that_o the_o credulity_n of_o illiterate_a and_o well-meaning_a person_n may_v not_o be_v impose_v upon_o by_o such_o forgery_n 2._o i_o have_v be_v somewhat_o provoke_v to_o bear_v testimomony_n to_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o baptise_v the_o child_n of_o believer_n by_o the_o audacity_n of_o one_o that_o sometime_o preach_v among_o the_o antipedobaptist_n who_o tell_v i_o to_o my_o face_n that_o i_o can_v say_v nothing_o for_o infant_n baptism_n to_o who_o i_o say_v but_o little_a as_o judge_v he_o uncapable_a of_o understand_v the_o strength_n of_o a_o argument_n 3._o after_o i_o have_v communicate_v a_o few_o sheet_n to_o some_o learned_a man_n they_o do_v album_fw-la calculum_fw-la addere_fw-la and_o incire_v i_o to_o proceed_v 4._o because_o no_o body_n else_o have_v publish_v any_o thing_n to_o confront_v this_o dare_a champion_n and_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n to_o repent_v of_o my_o undertake_n unless_o it_o be_v that_o i_o have_v not_o defend_v the_o truth_n as_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v i_o be_v never_o before_o engage_v in_o these_o olympian_a game_n nor_o do_v i_o delight_v in_o such_o exercise_n and_o do_v find_v by_o experience_n that_o these_o polemical_a contest_v be_v but_o barren_a thing_n and_o can_v but_o much_o approve_v of_o the_o say_v of_o zuarez_n who_o though_o a_o jesuit_n profess_v he_o find_v more_o benefit_n in_o that_o time_n which_o he_o do_v every_o day_n set_v apart_o for_o the_o examine_v the_o state_n of_o his_o soul_n than_o in_o all_o the_o voluminous_a book_n of_o controversy_n which_o he_o have_v write_v i_o will_v 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magdiburgenses_n in_o very_a many_o place_n by_o misrepresent_v what_o they_o say_v as_o that_o they_o tell_v we_o that_o in_o the_o first_o century_n the_o apostle_n baptize_v only_o the_o age_a which_o be_v false_a for_o he_o have_v himself_o add_v the_o word_n only_a as_o be_v show_v capt._n 7._o part._n 1._o pag._n 2._o of_o our_o answer_n then_o he_o say_v they_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o custom_n of_o dip_v the_o whole_a body_n into_o water_n be_v change_v into_o sprinkle_v in_o the_o 3._o cent._n see_v this_o pag._n 113._o and_o cite_v the_o magdeburgenses_n for_o it_o cent._n 3._o pag._n 125_o 126._o where_o they_o say_v no_o such_o thing_n but_o the_o contrary_a and_o give_v cyprian_n testimony_n for_o it_o who_o be_v calculate_v to_o live_v in_o the_o day_n of_o those_o that_o see_v the_o apostle_n that_o baptism_n be_v valid_a whether_o it_o be_v by_o immersion_n or_o sprinkle_v cent._n 3._o c._n 4._o and_o chap._n 7._o part_n 1._o pag._n 8._o of_o the_o answer_n look_v the_o examination_n of_o the_o magdiburgensiam_n history_n and_o there_o you_o have_v the_o rest_n of_o his_o misrepresentation_n 2._o after_o the_o same_o manner_n have_v he_o serve_v the_o father_n both_o of_o the_o greek_a and_o latino_n church_n quote_v some_o passage_n out_o of_o they_o as_o if_o they_o have_v be_v for_o believer_n baptism_n in_o opposition_n to_o that_o of_o infant_n when_o not_o one_o of_o they_o be_v so_o no_o not_o tertullian_n or_o nazianzen_n absolute_o but_o both_o for_o it_o in_o case_n of_o danger_n of_o death_n yea_o the_o latter_a without_o respect_n to_o that_o see_v chap._n 7._o part._n 1._o pag._n 13._o of_o the_o answer_n and_o the_o 3._o century_n in_o the_o recapitulation_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o answer_n there_o be_v two_o way_n he_o take_v to_o blind_v the_o reader_n with_o respect_n to_o the_o father_n 1._o by_o traduce_v that_o which_o be_v speak_v in_o reference_n to_o pagan_n and_o misapply_v of_o it_o against_o infant_n baptism_n thus_o he_o serve_v chrysostom_n and_o austin_n p._n 76._o of_o his_o treatise_n who_o he_o bring_v for_o his_o eminent_a witness_n for_o believer_n baptism_n and_o then_o again_o the_o same_o man_n to_o be_v for_o infant_n baptism_n pag._n 121._o of_o his_o treatise_n see_v how_o this_o contradiction_n be_v reconcile_v in_o our_o answer_n to_o his_o 2d_o chap._n part_n 2._o about_o infant_n baptism_n 2._o by_o curtail_v and_o leave_v out_o part_n of_o the_o sentence_n as_o pag._n 65._o where_o he_o cite_v these_o word_n of_o bazil_n must_v the_o faithful_a be_v seal_v with_o baptism_n faith_n must_v precede_v and_o go_v before_o there_o mr_n danvers_n stop_v whereas_o he_o shall_v have_v go_v on_o with_o what_o follow_v quid_fw-la de_fw-la infantibus_fw-la ais_fw-la num_fw-la &_o illos_fw-la baptizemus_fw-la maximè_fw-la these_o be_v the_o next_o line_n to_o what_o we_o have_v above_o what_o say_v you_o to_o infant_n which_o know_v nor_o good_a nor_o evil_a must_v we_o baptize_v they_o yea_o etc._n etc._n see_v chap._n 7._o part_n 1._o p._n 13._o of_o the_o answer_n 3._o the_o council_n have_v no_o better_a measure_n from_o he_o for_o he_o quote_v those_o 3._o the_o bracaren_n that_o of_o constantinople_n he_o write_v it_o constance_n and_o that_o of_o toletan_n all_o which_o he_o produce_v for_o believer_n baptism_n in_o opposition_n to_o that_o of_o infant_n p._n 78._o of_o his_o treatise_n and_o quote_v the_o magdiburgenses_n for_o it_o cent._n 7._o p._n 146._o whereas_o they_o give_v we_o to_o understand_v that_o they_o be_v for_o infant_n baptism_n chap._n 7._o part_n 1_o pag._n 29_o 30._o of_o our_o answer_n see_v this_o more_o full_o in_o the_o recapitulation_n affix_v to_o the_o answer_n under_o century_n 7._o 4._o he_o bring_v in_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n very_o ridiculous_o as_o eminent_a witness_n for_o believer_n baptism_n that_o be_v in_o opposition_n to_o infant_n baptism_n or_o else_o he_o say_v nothing_o as_o for_o instance_n haimo_n rabanus_n a_o abbot_n remigius_n a_o monk_n smarugdus_n etc._n etc._n see_v how_o little_a truth_n there_o be_v in_o this_o chap._n 7._o part_n 1._o p._n 33._o of_o the_o answer_n and_o much_o more_o full_o in_o the_o recapitulation_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o answer_n under_o century_n 8_o 9_o 10._o here_o our_o author_n have_v use_v his_o wont_a subtlety_n in_o quote_v some_o passage_n out_o of_o these_o popish_a doctor_n for_o believer_n baptism_n mean_v by_o they_o only_o in_o respect_n of_o pagan_n 5._o by_o the_o same_o artifice_n be_v ignorant_a person_n delude_v with_o the_o say_n of_o the_o schoolman_n which_o be_v so_o great_a and_o stiff_a assertor_n of_o infant-baptism_n that_o they_o ascribe_v too_o much_o to_o it_o see_v how_o we_o have_v discover_v the_o author_n sophistry_n chap._n 7._o part_n 1._o pag._n 34._o of_o our_o answer_n but_o more_o full_o this_o be_v speak_v to_o in_o the_o recapitulation_n under_o the_o 12_o cent._n 6._o his_o great_a witness_n against_o infant-baptism_n namely_o waldenses_n novatian_n and_o donatist_n and_o ancient_a britain_n fail_v he_o 1._o for_o the_o waldenses_n he_o have_v bring_v 4_o confession_n as_o against_o it_o when_o they_o have_v not_o a_o word_n of_o that_o import_n as_o any_o ordinary_a reader_n may_v perceive_v see_v pag._n 282_o 283._o of_o his_o treatise_n and_o how_o full_o we_o have_v make_v it_o appear_v by_o other_o confession_n that_o they_o be_v express_o for_o it_o see_v chap._n 7._o part_n 2._o of_o the_o answer_n 2._o neither_o be_v the_o novatian_o for_o it_o though_o they_o deny_v original_a sin_n and_o be_v for_o rebaptisation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n though_o there_o be_v few_o great_a than_o themselves_o and_o therefore_o novatus_n the_o head_n of_o they_o be_v condemn_v by_o 66._o wishop_n in_o the_o year_n 255._o fox_n act._n
signify_v abluo_fw-la luo_o i.e._n to_o wash_v and_o that_o the_o christian_a baptism_n be_v take_v a_o judaica_fw-la lotione_fw-la from_o the_o jewish_a baptism_n of_o which_o the_o apostle_n speak_v heb._n 9_o 10._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d i.e._n divers_a baptism_n it_o be_v render_v wash_n and_o these_o baptism_n we_o know_v be_v not_o dippings_fw-mi moses_n in_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n do_v not_o prescribe_v different_a kind_n of_o dipping_n though_o he_o do_v several_a kind_n of_o wash_n or_o baptism_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o original_a cent_z ii_o he_o say_v the_o magdeburgenses_n tell_v we_o that_o they_o find_v nothing_o in_o this_o century_n different_a from_o the_o former_a that_o be_v in_o reference_n to_o baptism_n and_o that_o they_o make_v mention_n of_o justin_n martyr_n word_n in_o his_o apology_n to_o antoninus_n pius_n the_o emperor_n which_o be_v repeat_v as_o we_o have_v it_o translate_v by_o mr._n baxter_n in_o his_o saint_n rest_v the_o import_n of_o which_o be_v only_o to_o show_v what_o order_n they_o take_v with_o pagan_n upon_o their_o conversion_n to_o the_o christian_a faith_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o sacrament_n and_o although_o this_o be_v wide_a of_o the_o matter_n and_o insignificant_a to_o the_o question_n under_o debate_n which_o be_v about_o baptise_v the_o infant_n of_o believer_n yet_o this_o will_v serve_v well_o enough_o to_o blind_v a_o ignorant_a reader_n and_o as_o it_o this_o be_v some_o great_a matter_n he_o glory_v in_o it_o and_o conclude_v with_o a_o jeer_n they_o say_v he_o that_o shall_v consider_v the_o manner_n that_o christian_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v heathen_n be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n in_o those_o day_n can_v hardly_o i_o presume_v pick_v out_o any_o good_a warranties_n for_o infant_n church-membership_n or_o baptism_n out_o of_o the_o same_o to_o which_o there_o need_v no_o more_o to_o say_v than_o this_o even_o just_a as_o much_o as_o he_o can_v pick_v out_o from_o thence_o against_o it_o nor_o do_v i_o see_v any_o reason_n he_o have_v to_o pick_v a_o quarrel_n with_o our_o practice_n from_o any_o thing_n in_o that_o father_n apology_n who_o as_o mr._n baxter_n note_v give_v such_o hint_n by_o which_o his_o judgement_n and_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o those_o day_n may_v be_v discern_v to_o be_v for_o it_o though_o we_o can_v expect_v that_o he_o shall_v speak_v express_o to_o the_o point_n both_o because_o he_o be_v brief_a and_o treat_v on_o other_o theme_n to_o which_o this_o do_v not_o belong_v and_o because_o the_o church_n then_o live_v among_o heathen_n have_v so_o much_o to_o do_v in_o convert_v and_o baptise_v the_o age_a that_o they_o have_v little_a occasion_n to_o treat_v about_o child_n especial_o it_o be_v a_o point_n not_o controvert_v but_o take_v for_o grant_v by_o the_o christian_n who_o know_v god_n deal_n with_o the_o jewish_a church_n that_o child_n be_v member_n with_o the_o convert_v parent_n especial_o when_o the_o very_a gentile_n child_n be_v member_n before_o christ_n with_o more_o to_o this_o purpose_n plain_a scripture-proof_n pag._n 155._o cent_z iii_o in_o this_o century_n say_v the_o author_n they_o tell_v we_o the_o rite_n of_o baptism_n in_o the_o asiatic_a church_n continue_v the_o same_o as_o before_o but_o concern_v the_o african_a church_n they_o give_v some_o account_n of_o great_a corruption_n creep_v into_o the_o church_n as_o to_o subject_a time_n manner_n and_o ceremony_n cent._n 3._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 123_o 124_o 125._o they_o do_v indeed_o charge_v this_o age_n with_o corruption_n as_o to_o the_o time_n and_o manner_n of_o administer_a baptism_n but_o not_o a_o word_n in_o derogation_n of_o infant_n be_v the_o subject_a of_o it_o and_o it_o be_v strange_a they_o shall_v have_v reckon_v that_o a_o corrupt_a innovation_n which_o they_o have_v a_o little_a before_o so_o well_o maintain_v for_o a_o truth_n they_o tell_v we_o indeed_o that_o tertullian_n in_o this_o age_n oppose_v himself_o to_o some_o that_o asserted_a infant-baptism_n affirm_v that_o the_o adult_n be_v the_o only_a proper_a subject_n but_o how_o weak_o he_o do_v it_o may_v be_v see_v afterward_o when_o we_o come_v to_o examine_v the_o witness_n of_o which_o tertullian_n be_v the_o van_n and_o as_o estius_n and_o junius_n conceive_v with_o other_o the_o say_a father_n intend_v only_o those_o infant_n quorum_fw-la parent_n who_o parent_n be_v infidel_n or_o if_o he_o mean_v the_o child_n of_o christian_n he_o speak_v nothing_o absolute_o against_o their_o baptise_v for_o his_o word_n be_v cunctatio_fw-la utilior_fw-la it_o be_v more_o profitable_a to_o defer_v their_o baptism_n as_o it_o be_v also_o best_o in_o his_o opinion_n for_o young_a man_n that_o be_v innupti_fw-la unmarried_a 3._o quin_n &_o innuptie_a baptismum_fw-la procrastinandum_fw-la art_n esse_fw-la quia_fw-la eye_n praeparata_fw-la est_fw-la tentatio_fw-la magde_a burg_n cent._n 3._o so_o to_o do_v and_o it_o be_v his_o advice_n to_o young_a widow_n to_o forbear_v baptism_n until_o the_o lust_n of_o concupiscence_n be_v quite_o extinguish_v be_v not_o this_o good_a doctrine_n think_v you_o yet_o this_o be_v the_o man_n as_o the_o author_n say_v who_o oppose_v infant-baptism_n affirm_v that_o the_o adult_n be_v the_o only_a proper_a subject_n yet_o it_o seem_v not_o all_o they_o neither_o for_o he_o advise_v all_o unmarried_a person_n to_o delay_v baptism_n not_o spare_v young-maid_n and_o that_o upon_o a_o very_a corrupt_a ground_n what_o sport_n will_v my_o antagonist_n have_v make_v with_o this_o man_n and_o how_o much_o will_v he_o have_v disparage_v he_o have_v we_o bring_v he_o in_o for_o a_o witness_n on_o our_o side_n one_o will_v think_v the_o more_o temptation_n any_o state_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o more_o do_v it_o stand_v in_o need_n of_o help_n especial_o such_o as_o lay_v engagement_n on_o we_o to_o holiness_n and_o may_v be_v a_o mean_n to_o convey_v it_o but_o tertullian_n be_v 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passage_n of_o he_o upon_o the_o 14_o of_o luke_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n cent._n 3._o cap._n 4._o pag._n 57_o moreover_o they_o give_v we_o the_o testimony_n of_o cyprian_a in_o his_o four_o book_n baptizantur_fw-la cyprianus_n l._n 4._o epist_n 7._o recte_fw-la disputat_fw-la baptismum_fw-la valere_fw-la sive_fw-la aqua_fw-la perfundantur_fw-la sive_fw-la toti_fw-la immergantur_fw-la qui_fw-la baptizantur_fw-la and_o seven_o epistle_n and_o approve_v his_o argue_v that_o baptism_n be_v valid_a whether_o it_o be_v by_o immersion_n or_o sprinkle_v for_o these_o two_o reason_n first_o because_o they_o signify_v one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n idem_fw-la sit_fw-la aspersio_fw-la quod_fw-la lavacrum_fw-la sprinkle_v hold_v forth_o the_o mystery_n as_o well_o as_o dip_v according_a to_o that_o in_o ezek._n 36._o i_o will_v sprinkle_v you_o with_o water_n second_o because_o they_o that_o be_v sprinkle_v in_o their_o bed_n as_o sick_a person_n be_v in_o those_o
but_o rather_o as_o the_o magdeburgenses_n do_v cent._n 2._o p._n 111._o to_o the_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n paedobapt_v mr._n geree_n of_o vind_z paedobapt_v which_o so_o work_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o their_o corrupt_a and_o contaminate_v the_o simple_a form_n of_o baptism_n indeed_o say_v mr._n philpot_n the_o martyr_n to_o his_o fellow-sufferer_n that_o scruple_v infant-baptism_n and_o afterward_o be_v satisfy_v by_o the_o strength_n of_o his_o argument_n if_o you_o look_v upon_o the_o papistical_a synagogue_n only_o which_o have_v corrupt_v god_n word_n by_o false_a interpretation_n and_o have_v pervert_v the_o true_a use_n of_o christ_n sacrament_n you_o may_v seem_v to_o have_v good_a handfast_a of_o your_o opinion_n against_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n but_o for_o as_o much_o as_o it_o be_v of_o more_o antiquity_n and_o have_v its_o begin_n from_o god_n word_n and_o from_o the_o use_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n it_o must_v not_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o abuse_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v neglect_v or_o think_v inexpedient_a nor_o have_v the_o baptism_n of_o adult_n person_n in_o former_a time_n be_v free_a from_o many_o corrupt_a and_o ridiculous_a human_a invention_n as_o dr._n homes_n out_o of_o binius_fw-la and_o epiphanius_n show_v at_o large_a the_o council_n of_o carthage_n tell_v we_o 26._o bin._n ca._n 34_o de_fw-la rebus_fw-la eccles_n cap._n 26._o that_o sick_a man_n lie_v speechless_a may_v be_v baptise_a upon_o the_o witness_n of_o man_n touch_v their_o former_a condition_n the_o four_o council_n of_o carthage_n order_n that_o those_o of_o ripe_a year_n to_o be_v baptise_a must_v be_v dyered_a 85._o bin._n cap._n 85._o and_o keep_v from_o fesh_n and_o wine_n a_o long_a time_n and_o after_o that_o have_v be_v examine_v several_a time_n must_v be_v baptise_a epiphanius_n declare_v that_o the_o eunomian_o call_v anabaptist_n do_v rebaptize_v all_o that_o come_v to_o they_o bazil_n epiphan_n anacephal_a pag._n 108._o 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interpolate_v by_o the_o protestant_n such_o be_v that_o of_o dimysius_n the_o areopagite_n and_o the_o decretal_a epistle_n who_o notwithstanding_o have_v in_o high_a account_n the_o testimony_n of_o those_o ancient_n viz._n justin_n martyr_n irenaus_n origen_n cyprian_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v repute_v as_o authentic_a and_o of_o undoubted_a truth_n 3._o there_o be_v much_o impertinency_n in_o his_o historical_a account_n that_o be_v not_o concern_v in_o the_o question_n as_o the_o story_n of_o constantine_n dedication_n consecration_n or_o baptise_v of_o church_n and_o bell_n exposure_n of_o the_o relic_n of_o saint_n for_o adoration_n prohibit_v priest_n marriage_n with_o much_o more_o ejusdem_fw-la farinae_fw-la but_o what_o be_v all_o this_o to_o infant-baptism_n 4._o there_o be_v some_o error_n or_o falsity_n in_o it_o as_o tertullian_n stand_v up_o against_o infant-baptism_n in_o the_o 3d_o century_n when_o he_o stand_v up_o no_o more_o against_o it_o than_o he_o do_v against_o the_o baptise_v of_o youngman_n that_o be_v unmarried_a and_o young-widow_n also_o who_o baptism_n he_o will_v have_v delay_v it_o be_v certain_a he_o argue_v for_o the_o delay_n of_o baptism_n in_o some_o case_n praecipue_fw-la circa_fw-la paroulos_fw-la 8._o tertul._n de_fw-fr bapt._n c._n 8._o especial_o that_o of_o little_a one_o mean_v the_o child_n of_o unbeliever_n as_o be_v conceive_v by_o estius_n pamelins_n and_o divers_a other_o a_o second_o error_n respect_v this_o century_n be_v that_o the_o magdeburgenses_n tell_v we_o they_o alter_v the_o form_n of_o baptism_n from_o dip_v to_o sprinkle_v refer_v we_o to_o cent._n 3._o pag._n 129._o where_o they_o speak_v no_o such_o thing_n nor_o anywhere_o else_o in_o the_o whole_a history_n of_o baptism_n a_o three_o escape_n be_v that_o infant-baptism_n be_v not_o in_o use_n in_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o four_o century_n either_o in_o the_o latin_a or_o greek_a church_n now_o this_o be_v very_o false_a nor_o will_v that_o help_v he_o which_o he_o add_v afterward_o scil._n it_o be_v true_a say_v he_o towards_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o this_o century_n it_o be_v say_v that_o in_o some_o part_n of_o africa_n they_o do_v baptise_v child_n as_o magdeburg_n cent._n 4._o p._n 415._o but_o they_o say_v no_o such_o thing_n it_o be_v only_o the_o author_n own_o say_n and_o real_o it_o trouble_v i_o to_o see_v so_o much_o prevarication_n everywhere_o take_v reader_n the_o true_a account_n of_o what_o the_o magdeburgenses_n say_v de_fw-fr ritibus_fw-la circa_fw-la baptismum_fw-la about_o baptismal_a rite_n they_o be_v large_a in_o this_o chapter_n and_o begin_v it_o thus_o that_o the_o power_n of_o baptise_v be_v in_o this_o age_n in_o the_o priest_n and_o principal_o in_o the_o bishop_n and_o then_o in_o presbyter_n and_o deacon_n and_o then_o a_o few_o line_n after_o they_o tell_v we_o baptizabantur_fw-la autem_fw-la publicae_fw-la in_o templis_fw-la cujuscunque_fw-la sexus_fw-la aetatis_fw-la &_o conditionis_fw-la homines_fw-la person_n of_o each_o sex_n and_o of_o all_o age_n and_o condition_n be_v public_o baptise_a in_o the_o temple_n nor_o have_v this_o chapter_n any_o such_o passage_n at_o the_o beginning_n middle_a or_o latter_a end_n that_o in_o some_o part_n of_o africa_n they_o do_v baptise_v child_n 5._o i_o will_v not_o say_v there_o be_v a_o tincture_n of_o profaneness_n but_o be_o sure_a of_o something_o like_o it_o in_o that_o say_n of_o the_o author_n pag._n 128._o of_o his_o treatise_n viz._n in_o this_o 6_o century_n say_v he_o we_o meet_v with_o a_o dreadful_a piece_n of_o infant-baptism_n viz._n the_o head_n of_o 6000_o infant_n that_o have_v be_v murder_v &_o bury_v in_o a_o warren_n near_o a_o monastery_n as_o testify_v by_o vldricus_n to_o p._n nicolas_n cent._n 6._o p._n 338._o but_o the_o magdeburgenses_n be_v not_o so_o bold_a as_o the_o author_n to_o call_v such_o horrid_a murder_n infant-baptism_n a_o tender_a conscience_n i_o think_v shall_v be_v 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assert_v for_o this_o practice_n be_v ecclesiastical_a and_o
to_o scatter_v save_v grace_n in_o this_o nation_n which_o be_v if_o not_o raise_v yet_o foment_v by_o anabaptism_n and_o their_o principle_n he_o conceive_v have_v be_v very_o prejudicial_a to_o the_o conversion_n of_o young-one_n among_o who_o usual_o the_o stream_n of_o convert_v grace_n run_v because_o it_o speak_v a_o actual_a disingagement_n from_o all_o relation_n to_o god_n his_o covenant_n church_n and_o ordinance_n till_o of_o their_o own_o choice_n they_o take_v they_o up_o at_o year_n of_o discretion_n now_o whilst_o person_n live_v loose_a from_o such_o engagement_n as_o in_o their_o proper_a nature_n and_o tendency_n further_a conversion_n no_o wonder_n if_o the_o work_n go_v slow_o on_o among_o they_o 3._o by_o confound_v the_o world_n and_o the_o church_n together_o which_o christ_n have_v separate_v not_o so_o for_o baptism_n be_v god_n sheep-mark_a as_o mr._n ford_n call_v it_o to_o distinguish_v those_o that_o be_v of_o his_o fold_n from_o such_o as_o graze_v in_o the_o wild_a common_a of_o the_o world_n what_o confound_v be_v there_o in_o this_o principle_n that_o not_o only_o they_o who_o do_v actual_o profess_v faith_n in_o and_o obedience_n to_o christ_n but_o also_o the_o infant_n of_o one_o or_o both_o believe_a parent_n be_v to_o be_v baptise_a and_o they_o only_o 7._o by_o introduce_v and_o establish_v many_o humane_a tradition_n and_o invention_n of_o antichrist_n 1._o this_o be_v mr._n tombe_n his_o 6_o arg._n exercit._n p._n 1._o many_o of_o which_o and_o some_o of_o the_o worst_a attend_v the_o baptism_n of_o grow_v person_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o chrism_n exorcism_n etc._n etc._n and_o when_o mr._n tomb_n urge_v this_o very_a argument_n against_o infant-baptism_n mr._n geree_n tell_v he_o it_o be_v rather_o a_o motive_n than_o a_o reason_n against_o it_o to_o move_v people_n affection_n against_o the_o inconvenience_n follow_v it_o rather_o than_o to_o convince_v the_o unlawfulness_n of_o it_o but_o that_o which_o be_v 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