that their impudencie more then by any other deuice they haue seduced the world m Greg. a Val. to 3. pag. 291. d. One of them saith The Protestants in the questions of faith should enquire on what side the Fathers stand that it being knowne immediatly without any other examination they might embrace that doctrine which the Fathers of old iudged to be true Let vs therefore see who they be that most sticke to the Fathers 5 But first it is to be noted that of all hands it is agreed the Fathers were not of infallible iudgement but had their errors so they say themselues Austin n D. 9. Negaro saith I cannot deny but there are many things in my workes as there are in the writings of my ancestors which iustly and with good discretion may be blamed And thus they all confesse yea Anselme o Comment in 2. Cor. writeth that in their books which the Church readeth many times are found things corrupt and hereticall yet neither the bookes nor the authors are condemned for this Let the wise Reader peruse their bookes and he shall find this true that I say Thus p Refert Bellar. de Chr. l. 4 c. 8. Hilary denied that Christ in his sufferings had any sorrow q Strom. l. 6. l. 3. Clemens Alexandrinus saith that Christ did not eate and drinke of any necessitie but onely to shew he had a true body and that he and his Apostles after their death preached to the damned in hell and conuerted many r Epiph de Not. Origen taught many things against the faith and wrong expounded the most things in Scripture ſ Ep. ad Iubaiā Cyprian held rebaptization and t Aduers Prax. Tertullian Montanisme u Legat. Athenagoras condemneth second mariage And none is free 6 Yea many Fathers haue erred together with one consent as appeareth in general Councels x Turrecr sum l. 3. c. 58. concl 2. Panor de elect elect pot Signif which haue erred and may erre by our aduersaries owne confession y Euseb l. 7. c. 5. With Cyprian in his error of rebaptization took part many great Councels z Refert Bellar. Iustine Irenaeus Papias Tertullian Victorinus Lactantius Seuerus Apollinaris Nepos and many more held the error of the Millenarians And a Bann part 1. pag. 75. our aduersaries grant that the more part of Doctors if some few be against them make no infallible argument in matters of faith but in things not concerning faith the consent of all together maketh but probabilitie and no certaintie Which assumeth it for true that many fathers may erre together with one consent Hence it followeth euidently that euery thing is not vndoubtedly true which a father or many fathers haue written but may with good discretion be examined by the Scripture and if it agree not therewith it may be reiected Yea this ought to be so without any preiudice to their faith that do it For though b Eph. 4.11 God send them for the teaching of his Church yet that sending was no otherwise nor with any greater authoritie then he sendeth the present Pastors now liuing who haue the same authoritie to teach and freedom from error that they had and differ nothing from them but in antiquity which time may bring to them as well as it did to the fathers and yet who doubteth but they may erre in their teaching and without iniurie to the faith be examined in that they say 7 Vpon this ground it is that the Protestants think they are not absolutly tied to euery thing that the fathers haue written They reuerence the fathers and studie their writings and thereby attaine to great knowledge in things concerning our faith and account their books as most excellent monuments of antiquitie but they allow the Scripture onely to be iudge whereby they trie both the fathers and themselues And they thinke it most absurd which the Papists to gul the world with haue written that c Noli meis d. 9 glos §. In istis the writings of the fathers must be obserued at a nailes bredth The writings of Austine and of the other Doctors must be holden to the vttermost tittle d Onuph prim Pap. part 1. c. 6. It is rash and foolish and terrible rashnesse to go against a sence giuen by the Fathers for the vnderstanding of the Scriptures I say we thinke such speeches as these grosse and absurd and we contemne them For e Plut. in Agesil when one told Agesilaus he would bring him where hee should heare a man whistle for all the world like the singing of a Nightingale he answered It should not need for he had heard the Nightingale her selfe So we haue heard the Scripture it selfe more liuely and lesse subiect to error then the purest writings of the Doctors Wherein we are content our aduersaries themselues be iudges For Andradius f Def. Trid. l. 2. saith there can nothing be deuised more superstitious then to count those things for diuine oracles which the Fathers deliuered onely as probable And he addeth that God hath reuealed many things to vs that they neuer saw c. And whereas it is sometime busily obiected against vs that the Doctors liuing so neare the Apostles times were likely to see more then we that liue so farre off Dominicus Bannes a Doctor of their owne denieth this It is not g 22. pag. 58. 59. saith he necessary that by how much the more the Church is remote from the Apostles times by so much there should be the lesse perfect knowledge of the mysteries of faith therin because after the Apostles time there were not the most learned men in the Church which had dexteritie in vnderstanding and expounding the matters of faith We are not therefore inuolued in the more darknesse by how much the more in respect of the time we are distant from Christ but rather the Doctors of these later times being godly and insisting in the steps of the ancient Fathers haue attained more expresse vnderstanding in some things then they had For they are like children standing on the shoulders of giants who being lifted vp by the talnesse of the giants no maruell if they see further then they themselues Thus you see that our aduersaries notwithstanding their cauilling at vs yet take the same libertie in reading the Fathers that we do and thinke it reason sometimes to preferre their owne iudgement afore theirs 8 Neither were it so hainous a matter for vs to deny things written by the fathers if preiudice and malice one at another were set aside For h Augus contra Cresco l. 2. c. 32. contra Maximian l. 3. c. 14. the fathers themselues denied what some had holden before them and I know few Papists of any wit but allow it because the fathers haue their errors and take it for granted that they held many things against the Scriptures Marsilius i Defens
life that must be razed out of the catologue yea Volateran saith the story is by many omitted for the foulnesse thereof And if it be obiected that Anastasius saith Leo continued Pope eight yeares three moneths and fiue daies and Bennet two yeares sixe moneths and ten daies that there could be no roome for Ioan to sit betweene them her 2. yeares and odde this is easily answered by that which I haue obserued already touching the corruption of the booke An instance whereof I giue in Stephen the fift of whom he saith that he sate seuen yeares seuen moneths when it was f Carranz in Steph. 5. but seuen moneths and three daies These things the Papists themselues haue obiected against Anastasius if any man thinke his silence in the matter of Pope Ioan so great an euidence that thereupon he would condemne all others that haue written it though it may also be inquired whether they haue giuen him a purgation or no. For g Sur. comment rerum in orb gest p. 424. they write of their Cardinall Gropper in praise of his continency that he threw his bed out of his chamber window because on a time he found a woman making it So when Ioan a woman had contrary to the succession made the Popes bed and Anastasius written it why might not he that set out out the booke be moued with Groppers zeale and throw the story out of the window They that remēber how much hath bin cast of late since printing came in out of all authors by such purgation may with good discretiō enquire into this point For the Church of Rome is so curious in auoiding suspitions that if any seruant of hers be it Caietan or Ferus or Thomas or Anastasius himselfe make a bed in a wrong chamber by writing any thing that may iustifie the Protestants faith out it shall go at the window and the booke be purged 8 Fiftly diuers Popes haue bene heretickes against the faith and as Lyra h Exposit in Mat. 16. §. Non praeualebunt noteth reuolted from it This I haue shewed at large Digression 28. Yea it is a iudgement reported by the skilfullest Diuines in the Popes Church not onely that he hath bene an hereticke but also i Greg. Valent. tom 3. p. 240. 2. that he may do his best to obtrude his priuate heresie vpon others Yea k Turrecr ium eccl l. 4. part 2. c. 16 §. Decimus septimus modus he may define it solemnly and auouch that Christians ought to hold it as Catholick which you may be sure they would not say but that they haue seene the experience of it in former times Now l Tho. 22. q. 39. art 3. Turrecr sum eccl l 2. c. 112. ad 7. l. 4. part 2. c. 20. Caiet de authorit Pap. Conc. c. 18. an hereticke ceasseth to be Pope and falling from the faith he falleth ipso facto from the chaire of Peter whence it followeth that the succession of the Romane Church hath bene so often interrupted as there haue bin heretiks that haue succeeded by our aduersaries owne doctrine Yea Bellarmine g Not. eccl c. ◠vseth this very reason to disproue the succession of the Greeke Churches Finally saith he all those patriarchall Churches haue had manifest hereticks to their Bishops for a long time and therefore the succession of the ancient Pastors is interrupted Will our aduersaries now stand to that law which they haue giuen to others 9 Sixtly h D. 79. Si quis it is the Popes owne law that if any man be installed Pope through mony or fauour of men or by popular or militarie tumult without the consent and canonicall election of the Cardinals and Clergie let him not be accounted Pope or Apostolicall but apostatical By vertue whereof the succession of the Roman Church is wholy ouerthrowne For it must be granted that so often as this law hath bin broken so oft the succession was interrupted But nothing hath bin more common then by Simony and violence to obtaine the Papacie i Vit. Damasi 2. Platina noteth it in Damasus the second The custome grew saith he that any ambitious fellow might inuade Saint Peters seate And k Vit. Bonif. 8. in Boniface the eight l Ingreditur vulpes regnat Leo sed canis exit Re tandē vera si sic fuit ecce Chimaera Mat. Westm pag. 443. of whom the saying went that he entred like a fox raigned like a lion died like a dog m Guicciard hist l. 1. 6. Thus of late yeares succeeded Iulius and Alexander And Platina n Vit. Syluest 3 speaking of the coming of Syluester the third to the Papacie saith At that time it came to passe that he which most preuailed not in learning and holy life but in bribery and ambition euen he alone obtained the Papacie good men being oppressed and reiected and he wisheth that this custome were not retained in our times Caesar Baronius intreating of the Popes that succeeded in the ninth o An. 908. n. 6. age telleth how about the yeare 908 Theodora a noble woman but a notable strumpet of great beautie and excellent wit by keeping companie with Adelbert the Marquesse of Tuscia by whom also she had certaine daughters gat the monarchy of the city into her hands and prostituting her daughters to the Popes inuaders of the Apostolicke sea and to the Marquesses of Tuscia thereby the commaund of those strumpets so increased that at their pleasure they remoued the Popes that were lawfully created and thrust violent and mischieuous men into their roomes p An 912. n. ◠And he addeth a complaint touching the miserable face of the Church at that time How filthy saith he was the face of the Romane Church then when most powerfull and withall most sordide whores bare all the sway at Rome at whose lust Seas were changed Bishops were giuen and that which is horrible and not to be vttered whose louers the false Popes were thrust into the seate of Peter which were not to be written in the catalogue of the Romane Bishops but for the noting of such times For who may say they were lawfull Popes which were thus without right thrust in by such strumpets No where do we find any mention of Clergy chusing or giuing consent afterward all Canons were put to silence the Pontificall decrees were choaked ancient traditions proscribed and the old customs sacred rite and former vse in chusing the high Bishop vtterly extinguished Thus had lust gotten euery thing into it owne hand c. Thus themselues write of their owne succession which sheweth what we are to thinke thereof the rather if we remember q Sigon Reg. Ital. an 1046. lib. 8. that this abuse continued almost 200. yeares together that it might appeare that if discontinuance of time or vnlawfulnesse of entrance could interrupt a succession this of the Papacie so insolently bragged of was grosly interrupted Now take some special
THE WAY TO THE TRVE CHVRCH wherein The principall Motiues perswading to Romanisme and Questions touching the nature and authoritie of the Church and Scriptures are familiarly disputed and driuen to their issues where this day they sticke betweene the Papists and vs Contriued into an Answer to a Popish Discourse concerning the Rule of Faith and the marks of the Church And published to admonish such as decline to Papistrie of the weake and vncertaine grounds whereupon they haue ventured their soules Directed to all that seeke for resolution and especially to his louing countrimen of Lancashire By IOHN WHITE Minister of Gods word at Eccles. For the finding out of the matter and questions handled there are three Tables two in the beginning and one in the end of the Booke ¶ De hoc inter nos Quaestio versatur vtrum apud Nos an apud Illos vera Ecclesia sit August de vnit Eccles cap. 2. LONDON Printed for IOHN BILL and WILLIAM BARRET 1608. TO THE MOST REVEREND FATHERS IN GOD TOBIE THE LORD ARCHBISHOP OF YORKE HIS GRACE Primate and Metropolitane of England and to GEORGE Lord Bishop of Chester his very good Lords WHen I first peÌ„ned this Treatise which now I offer to your Lordships I did it for mine owne priuate exercise and the satisfying of certaine friends that desired it Afterward seeing some hope that it might doe good abroad principally in the countrey where I dwell and desirous if it were possible to do any thing that might helpe the seduced out of their errors and confirme the rest in the truth I was easily perswaded to put it forth and the rather for that the questions handled touching THE AVTHORITIE AND SENCE OF THE SCRIPTVRE and SIGNES OF THE CHVRCH are the profitablest that can be stood vpon and such as I haue alway obserued our people commonliest vse and most desire to looke into not being able to apprehend the difference or iudge of the reasons in other questions but presuming that if by certain marks they could find which is the true Church there would remaine litle difficultie in the rest forsomuch as therein they should find the truth in euery controuersie 2 The proper cause why our aduersaries put this deuice into the peoples heads was to dazle their eyes and delude their sences with the name of THE CHVRCH that when they should find the word of God and all discourse against their opinions yet that name should amaze them while they might beleeue nothing vntill they were perswaded by other marks that it came from the CHVRCH And no doubt this is the a Apollodor Bibliothec. li. 2. Gorgons head that inchanteth and oppresseth them euen the learnedst of them all and holdeth them in bondage to their errors hauing a conceit that they wil heare nothing against the Church which they presuming to be the Papacy though it be but AN IMPOSTVME BRED IN THE CHVRCH or A DISEASE GROWING TO IT will go no further All their speech is of the Church no mention of the Scriptures or God their Father but their MOTHER THE CHVRCH Much like as b Solin poly hist c. 33. they write of certaine Aethiopians that by reason they vse no mariage but promiscuously companie together it cometh that the children onely follow the mother the fathers name is in no request but the mother goeth away with all the reputation Let their talke be listened and their bookes perused and it will appeare this authoritie of their Church is at the end of euery question and striketh the stroke as c Philostrat in imaginib one saith pleasantly of Aesops Fables that therein the Foxe is the chiefe stickler of all the company The beasts seldom meet but he is among them and beareth his part with the busiest 3 This matter is handled in this Booke betweene my aduersarie and me For though others haue done the same before me yet I haue done it in mine owne method The water is all one but the vessell wherein I haue brought it is my owne And it was the iudgement of d Trinit l. 1. c. 3. de Mendacio c. 6. Saint Austine that In places infected with heresie all men should write that had any facultie therein though it were but the same things in other words that all sorts of people among many bookes might light vpon some and the enemie in all places might find some to encounter him The Iesuites which are the Popes Ianizaries that guard his person and were brought in now at the last cast when the state of the Papacie was at a dead lift to support the waight of the maine battell haue pestered the land with their writings and filled the hands and pockets of all sorts of people with their papers yea fannes and feathers are lapped vp in them wherein it is admirable to see how presumptuously they take vpon them in disgracing our persons belying our doctrine and coining and defending strange opinions of their owne neuer heard of afore as if Chrysippus schoole had bred them e Diog. Laert. in Chrysip who vsed to make his boast that many times he wanted opinions to aduance but if once he had the opinion he neuer wanted arguments to defend it whose writings seeing they cannot be suppressed pitie but they were effectually answered The applause that ignorant and vnsetled minds giue them and the conquest that of late yeares they haue made of a few Libertines and discontented persons hath so fleshed them that it is incredible how they brag and sing like f Auentin Annal lib. 2. the clownes of Germany when they had expelled the Franks Mille Francos mille Sarmatas semel occidimus Mille mille mille mille mille Persas quaerimus But I dare boldly say it that if the maner how they haue preuailed be looked into g Praescript Tertullians speech will fall out to be true It is the weaknesse of some that giueth them the victory being able to do nothing when they encounter an able faith Discontent and vanitie of mind voide of the knowledge and faithfull practise of religion are good dispositions to heresie They liue Gentiles saith Cyprian and die heretickes h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Dioâ— Laerâ— in Epicur Epicurus in his time with teaching pleasure and libertie filled the most houses and cities with his friends But if we looke what the motiues were that led them away and what the Iesuites said against vs I presume three verses in i Pâ—â—â—â—ol Plautus will answer them Quid ait quid narrat quaeso quid dicit tibi Nugas theatri verba quae in comoedijs Solent lenoni dici quae pueri sciunt 4 A singular misery no doubt and aboue all other to be lamented that mans mind so free so ready so able with those helpes that God hath left him to search out the truth yet should not be satisfied nor rest contented with heauen and earth or any other thing that God hath reuealed for the finding
Apostle to belong to them as well as to the Church of Rome whereby we may iudge how vndiscreet a part it is to be caried away with the name of a Church afore we haue enquired whether it keepe the ancient faith or so to be conceited of one Church that we will looke toward no other but it 7 The second point that deceiueth manie is the rumour and opinion that goeth of our aduersaries learning which is as weake a motiue to build on as the former when the greatest heretickes that euer were haue wanted no learning and we may be sure this of our aduersaries is not commended with the least Themselues are vnmeasurable and more then odious in extolling their owne facultie and their people as ridiculous and irkesome in reporting it It is nothing beseeming Christians to leaue the cause and to fall a boasting Let our bookes be viewed and the disputations betweene vs weighed and it will appeare they haue no such vantage no not in Art and learning and but that vnsetled braines are giuen vainly to admire nouelties our Church at home here in England to say nothing of those abroad who haue made our proudest enemies feele the edge of their learning hath brought forth and at this day yeeldeth as learned as our aduersaries euer had anie And that the Reader may haue some triall of this I will giue an example or two wherein he shall see and by that iudge of the rest how learnedly they carrie themselues now and then against vs and how great their skill is to helpe them when they are a little vrged 8 They haue a solemne tradition among them concerning the Assumption of the Virgine Marie the story whereof you may reade in the g Act. 1.14 Rhemish Testament to this effect Now at the time of her death all the Apostles then dispersed into diuerse nations to preach the Gospell were miraculously brought together sauing S. Thomas who came the third day after to Ierusalem to honour her diuine departure and funerall where before her death and after for three dayes not onely the Apostles and other holy men present but the Angels also and powers of heauen did sing most melodiously They buried her bodie in Gethsemanâ— but for S. Thomas sake who desired to see and reuerence it they opened the sepulcher the third day and finding it void of the holy bodie but exceedingly fragrant they returned assuredly deeming that her bodie was assumpted into heauen as the Church holdeth and therefore celebrateth most solemnely the day of her Assumption And h Anton. chron part 1. p. 147. Suar. tom 2. p. 200. some adde that companies of Saints and Angels and Christ himselfe for how else should he haue fulfilled the coÌ„mandement Honor thy father and thy mother met her and with great glory and ioy placed her in her throne This is the Legend and that no man should mistrust they could not defend it i Feâ—ard in Hest pag. 616. Rhem. act 1.14 Bristo mot 32. most bitterly they raile vpon all that denie it perswading men k Baron an 48. nu 17. 24. that it is the iudgement of the vniuersall Church l Cathar opusc dè concept yea a point of faith The ground whereupon they stand is the Testimonie of many authors a certaine writing of Iohn the Euangelist Dionysius Areopagita Melito Athanasius Ierome Austine Damascene Bernard Andreas Cretensis Nicephorus Metaphrastes Glycas c. Who would not thinke but here were a learned defence of that they say But marke the issue First we haue shewed them and it is the truth that whatsoeuer the later writers Damascene Bernard Andreas Metaphrastes Nicephorus Glycas and others of those times haue written touching this matter is borrowed from the former authours Dionysius Melito the writing of S. Iohn Athanasius Ierome and Austin and can haue no more credite then the said authours haue from whom it is borrowed Now these authors we proue to be all forged and our aduersaries in the pursuite of the matter confesse it m D. 15. sancta Romana Sixt. Senens p. 104. The booke going vnder the name of S. Iohn is bored through the eare by the Pope himselfe in a Councell and so is Melito as n An. 48. n. 12. Baronius acknowledgeth who calleth him an idle companion full of dotages and fooleries vnworthie of Christian audience The same censure he giueth o Nu. 13. inde of Sophronius and Ierome to Paul Eustoch and p Nu. 20. inde of Athanasius confessing them to be forged in their names and full of lies and impostures And q Nu. 17. of that which goeth vnder the name of Austine as the Diuines of Louan haue done before him Dionysius is he that when all is done must beare the burden But he also is acknowledged by r Erasm declar ad Censur Parisiens theol p. 180. Caietan Valla annot in Act. 17. right skilfull Papists to be a counterfet And if the Rhemists Å¿ In Act. 1.14 say true that the blessed Virgine liued but 63. yeares then by t She bare Christ at 15. yeares Christ died at 33 then she was 48. whereto if you adde 15. more it maketh them 63 and that yeare falleth into the yeare of Christ 48. computation of times she died in the eight and fortieth yeare after Christs birth what time Dionysius could not as the booke going vnder his name pretendeth be present For the same Rhemists u Table of Sainâ— Paul p. 375. say he was not conuerted till an 51 and Baronius x An. 52. nu 1. not till an 52 which was three or foure yeares after her death Besides Baronius y Nu. 19. is driuen to confesse her sepulcher was not found or knowne in Ieromes time but when at the length not much before the dayes of Iuuenalis the Bishop of Ierusalem it was found and that without the body by occasion hereof the argument of writing concerning the assuming of her body into heauen was exhibited for before that time none had writ so Let this be noted If her sepulcher was not knowne nor her body missed out of it nor no man writ of her assumption till Iuuenalis time how can Dionysius that liued so long afore mention it Againe let the booke be Dionysius his owne and legitimate yet the words thereof conuince not this Assumption He saith no more but thus z De Diuin nomin p. 281. graec When we also as you know and your selfe and many of our holy brethren came together to behold the body which the Prince of life was in and which receiued God where Iames the brother of our Lord also was present and Peter the highest and ancientest top of the Diuines then after we had beheld it pleased all the Bishops as euerie one was able to praise the almightie goodnesse of his infirmitie that was the beginning of life vnto vs Where Ierotheus as you know excelled all the other holy
Vrspergensis Rhegino Aimon Auentin c. But they answer Hincmarus though he were Archbishop of Rhemes and liued at the same time his authoritie is nothing x Cope p. 582. Vazq p. 309. The words are forged or he was deceiued the rest that followed him are all either corrupted or mistaken y An. 794. n. 33. Baronius saith the bookes of Charles deceiued them Suarez z Tom 1. p. 804 that either they erred or their bookes are corrupted or they speake not of the second Nicene Councel Vasquez a De adorat p. 309. that they were all manifestly deceiued by Hincmarus as Hincmarus was by the bookes of Charles And thus all the blame is layd on that booke the authoritie whereof notwithstanding they cannot infringe though b Ala. Cope p. 566. Bellar. de Concil l. 2. c 8. Suar. tom 1. p. 803. Vazqu 277 Baron an 794. n. 30. they do their vttermost to proue that Charles wrote it not For first it beareth his title as all other books do theirs c Bell. de imag c. 14. Baron n. 31 Secondly it containeth the acts of the Synod of Frankford and the Councell therein confuted is the second Nicene Thirdly d Cope p. 568. Vazqu p. 277. Baron n. 31. it was written in the time of Charles Fourthly e Baron ibid. it was sent by Charles to Pope Adrian Fiftly one chapter thereof f Baron n. 32. 46. is confessed to be the work of Charles himselfe Sixtly and at the worst g Hadrian Ep. ad Carol. tom 3 concil p. 263. it was written by such as were neare about Charles This is a briefe summe of all that long discourse betweene vs touching the Councell of Frankford which I haue obserued that the Reader may perceiue what is to be thought of our aduersaries learning so much bragged of for were it able to do that which is boasted they would neuer suffer themselues thus to be distracted and driuen to these beggerly shifts and foxed out of one hole into another that they know not where to set their foote Let them speake directly and go forward with the point in any controuersie and we feare not their learning h 1 Reg. 20.11 Let not him that girdeth on his harnesse boast himselfe as he that putteth it off i Pro. 21.30 There is no wisedom nor vnderstanding nor counsell against the Lord. 10 This opinion that they haue of their owne learning is it that puffeth them vp and maketh them more then idle euen base and ridiculous in their owne commendations and which ill beseemeth the Ministers of Christ filleth their mouths with contumelious and stagelike speeches against vs such as these are k Rhem. 1. Tim 1.7 In the sight of the learned they are most ignorant of the word of God not knowing the verie principles of Diuinitie euen to the admiration truly of the learned that reade their bookes or heare them preach l Caluinotur cism p. 360. Their vnlearned and beggerly Ministers m Brist mot 31. Looke to their Vniuersities and see whether there be any appointed publicke Readers or Teachers of such matters the mysteries of Diuinitie any that priuately make them their studie whether they do not all in maner studie nothing but the art of speaking or else but certaine new bookes of common places for a few points of their new doctrine and them so lightly that the common sort of Catholickes are able to answer all their arguments and to say also more for them then they can say for themselues n Brist reply p. 364. More declamatiōs in Greek in one common schoole of the Iesuites then in both your Vniuersities o This sheweth they dare say any thing I dare say being ioyned together and better maisters of Arts of two or three yeares teaching through all logicke and philosophie then with you in seuen yeares No no regnum Grāmaticorum is past date all are not children as they were when this geare began your tongues will not now serue no nor your study of Diuinitie it selfe in Caluins Schoole Come once to the Catholike Schooles and you will be ashamed of your selfe as many a one already is that thought himselfe and was thought of others at home a iolly fellow p Hard. confut Apol. pag. 279. And Stapleton saith worse in his Counter bl p. 481. Your Ministers be Tinkers and Tapsters Fidlers Pipers it is incredible to heare their veine in this kind and how they vaunt of themselues withall as if they were playing vpon a stage the first Act and Scaene of Plautus his q Miles gloriosus A liuely picture of our aduersaries impotent brags Braggadochio But it is a base course and cannot be pursued without lying and ostentation and therefore the Gentiles themselues deriding it r 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Phurnut de nat Deorum p. 42. Sacrificed an Asse to Mars the God of warres because the noyse and braying of the one agreed fitly with the tumult and confusion of the other the other And yet it were the easiest matter of a thousand to requite them with testimonies of their owne writers For Theodoricke of Niem ſ L. 2. c. 12. de Schism saith Many are created Bishops to day which yesterday like iesters and stageplayers and prodigals did nothing but run vp and downe the streetes and tauernes and suspected places And Clemangis t De corrupt statu eccl p. 15. writeth how innumerable Parish Priests came to their benefices not from the Schooles and their studie but from the plow and seruile occupations which could neither reade nor vnderstand Latin nor know b from a battledoore Yea the Bishops themselues u Pag. 30. saith he haue neither read nor heard nor learned the sacred letters nor so much as touched the Bible vnlesse peraduenture it were the hilling thereof Ignorant and vnlettered persons hold the roomes of Bishops I could easily produce many of their owne authors if our selues had knowne or seene nothing in their old Priests and young Seminaries to discouer as much in their owne Clergie as they reuile vs with whether it be our x Maxima haereticorum pars nimis maturè ex scholis ad pulpita aliosue gradus euocatur Alan Apol. p. 106. youth or conditions or vnlearnednesse if I would imitate their vanitie Their y Sixt. Sen. p. 245. Mus that preached at twelue yeares old their z Baron ann 1033. n. 6. Bennet that was Pope being vnder ten yeares old and a Baron ann 955. nu 1. 2. Iohn not aboue sixteene their b Baron ann 925. n. 9. Archbishop of Rhemes at fiue yeares old their c See D. Reyn. apol thes p. 292. Cardinals vnder 12. yeares old their d Baron an 925. n 11. youths and nephewes thrust into Bishoprick their e Sa. apho pag. 208. idiots allowed to minister These such like practises of their Church will shew what small cause
God hath set forth by his Church to be learnâ—d of vs whether they be written or not written Doctor Standish in r Cap. 6. probat 3. his booke against English Bibles crieth out Take from them the English damnable translations and let them learne the mysteries of God reuerently by heart and learne to giue as much credit to that which is not expressed as to that which is expressed in the Scripture Å¿ D. 40. Si Papa in Annot. margin The Canon law newly set out by Pope Gregorie the thirteenth saith that Men do with such reuerence respect the Apostolicall seate of Rome that they rather desire to know the ancient institution of Christian religion from the Popes mouth then from the holy Scripture and they onely inquire what is his pleasure and according to it they order their life and conuersation So that you see howsoeuer the Iesuite say our faith cannot apprehend a falshood because it assenteth onely to the word of God yet by the word of God he meaneth Romish Traditions as well as the Scripture and so maketh those things of equall truth with it and then beareth you in hand that the certaintie of your faith and religion dependeth on their infallibility as much as on the infallibilitie of the Scripture a point which I would easily graunt him if the question were of the Romish faith for I confesse it dependeth vpon Traditions more then on the written word so farre forth that as t Andrad Orthodox explicat lib. 2. quam traditionum authoritatem si tollas nutare iam vacillare videbuntur pag 80. a Doctor of his owne side speaketh Many points therof would reele and totter if they were not supported with the helpe of Traditions But against this let the iudgement of u Regul contract 95. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 502. Basil be noted by the way It is necessary and consonant to reason that euery man learne that which is needfull out of the Scriptures both for the fulnesse of godlinesse and lest they inure themselues to humane Traditions § 2. Thirdly the one and infallible faith without which we cannot please God must be also entire whole and sound in all points and it is not sufficient to saluation to beleeue stedfastly some points and not other some So saith Athanasius his Creed receiued of all Quicunque vult saluus esse c. Whosoeuer will be saued before all things it is needful that he hold the catholike faith which vnlesse euery one keepe entire and inuiolate without doubt he shall perish euerlastingly Againe to beleeue some points of faith and to denie others is heresie as not to beleeue anie point of faith at all is absolute infidelitie But it is certain euen out of Scripture that neither infidell nor heretick shall be saued For our Sauiour hath absolutely pronounced Qui non crediderit condemnabitur Marc. 16. And the Apostle S. Paule Gal. 5. putteth heresies among the workes of the flesh saying Manifesta sunt opera carnis quae sunt fornicatio fictae 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is in English heresies of all which he saith Qui talia agunt regnum Dei non consequentur Moreouer the reason why anie one point of faith is vnder paine of damnation to be beleeued by Christian diuine and infallible faith is because God almightie hath reuealed it and by his Church hath proposed it vnto vs and commanded it to be beleeued for otherwise they be not points of faith but of opinion or of some other kinde of knowledge Therefore all points of faith are vnder paine of damnation to be beleeued The Answer 1 This third conclusion toucheth a second propertie required in sauing faith and it must be granted him with the confirmation thereof in a true sence namely that we are bound to beleeue the points of saluation by obtaining a particular distinct knowledge of the same in our selues and so assenting to them that our faith may include an apprehension also and knowledge of the things beleeued as well as an assent to the proposition thereof If this be the Iesuites meaning in this place then I embrace it as the truth 2 But peraduenture his mind runs vpon a further matter which his Church teacheth about infolded faith and then you may note the grosse heresie that he thrusts vpon you in his smooth words For x Implicita fâ—des est credere secuÌ„dùm quod ecclesia credit Vnde noÌ„ omnis Christianus teneturillos articulos fidei scire explicitè sed tantùm clerici Iacob de Graf decis lib. 2. ca. 8. nu 16. the Iesuites and Schoolemen teach how the lay-people are not bound to know what the matters of their faith be y Fides meliùs per ignorantiaÌ„ quà m per notitiam definitur Bellar. de iust l. 1. c. 7. ignorance is better it sufficeth if they consent to the Churches faith whatsoeuer it be assuring themselues it beleeueth and knoweth all things necessary but what those things are they need not enquire thus excluding knowledge from the nature of religion and placing it in assent onely as sufficient to make it whole and entire This being a sottish conceit deuised for the nonce to suppresse knowledge yet marke how boldly these men presse it on vs with the style of an entire faith which I manifest further in the Digression following Digression 2. Shewing the infolded faith of the Papists and confuting the same as not entire 3 For howsoeuer the Church of Rome pretend this whole complete faith yet when the matter cometh to scanning she vtterly refuseth knowledge sendeth her children to schoole to the Collier of him to learne to beleeue as the Church beleeueth For first whereas z Mat. 22.29 Chrys ho 3. in Laz. prol hom in Rom. the ignorance of the Scriptures is the roote of all error and the cause of vnbeleefe a Index lib. prohib Reg. 4. the Church of Rome forbiddeth the reading of them among the people b Franc. Ouan Mogol breuilo in 4. sent D. 13. prop. 3. pretending the vulgar translations to be one principal cause of heresies and therefore c Linwood in constitut prouinc l. 5. titul de magistris cap. Quia when the law was in their owne hand they vtterly forbad them d Mart. Peres de trad pag. 44. One of them saith he thinketh verily it was the diuels inuention to permit the people to reade the Bible e Thyâ—rae de Demoniac cap. 21. th 257. Another writeth that he knew certaine men to be possessed of a diuell because being but husbandmen they were able to discourse of the Scriptures Thus theeues put out the candle that discouers them 4 Next f Nauarr. Manual cap. 11. nu 16. Iacob de Graff decis l. 4. cap. 24 nu 23. they make it heresie for a lay man to dispute in a point of faith and g Magin Geograph pag. 104. Linwood lib. 5. tit de Magist c. periculosa suffer no
informe vs to euerie good work to teach vs Christ crucified g 1. Cor. 2.2 and Paul desired to know no more to giue vs light in darknesse to beget our faith Shall we be reuoked from al other teachers to theÌ„ and finally is there no councell no comfort no doctrine no resolution needfull for vs but there it may be found and yet it cannot be the rule it is impious to thinke it blasphemous to say it The primitiue Church spake farre otherwise 4 And consider how the Iesuit can answer the places without tergiuersatioÌ„ h Ep. 80. â—d Eustat medicuÌ„ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 334 Basil saith Let the holy Scripture be arbitrator betweene vs and whosoeuer hold opinions consonant to those heauenly oracles let the truth be adiudged on their side Optatus disputing against a Donatist thus presseth him i Cont. ParmeÌ„ lib 5. We are saith he to enquire out some to be iudges betweene vs in these controuersies the Christians cannot because both sides cannot yeeld them and by parts taking the truth shal be hindred The iudge must be had from without our selues If a Pagan he knowes not the mysteries of Christianitie if a Iew he is an enemie to baptisme therefore vpon the earth no iudgement concerning this matter can be found * De coelo quaerendus est iudex et qui in tumulo quiescit tacitis de tabulis loquitur viuus voluÌ„tas eius velut in testamento sic in Euangelio inquiratur the iudge must be had from heauen but to what end should we knocke at heauen when here we haue one in the Gospell k Contra Hermog TertulliaÌ„ calleth the Scriptures the rule of faith And l Hom. 13. in 2. Cor. Chrysostome a most exquisite rule and exact squire and ballance to try all things by And m Orat. de iis qui adeuÌ„t Hicrosol 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Gregory Nyssen a straite and inflexible rule Austin n De bono viduit c. 1. tom 4. saith the Scripture pitcheth downe the rule of our faith And againe he o De. Nupt. concup ad Valer l 2. c. 33. saith This controuersie depending betweene vs requires a iudge let Christ therefore iudge and let the Apostle Paul iudge with him because Christ also speaketh in his Apostle And p Ep. 112. ad Paulin. againe If a matter be grounded on the cleare authority of the holy Scripture such I meane as the Church calleth canoniall it is to be beleeued without all doubt but as for other witnesses and testimonies vpoÌ„ whose credit any thing may be vrged vnto vs to beleeue it it is lawfull for thee either to credit or not to credit them according as thou shalt perceiue them of weight to deserue or not to deserue credit q De Error profan relig Arcana ProphetaruÌ„ veneranda paÌ„dantur ad sistat nobis sanctorum oraculorum fides pag. 61 Iulius Firmicus Let the mysteries of the Prophets be opened let the credit of the holy oracles stand by vs. r Ho. 1. in Ier. Origen We must of necessitie call the Scriptures to witnesse for our sences and interpretations without them are of no credit Å¿ De doctr Christ lib. 2. c. 9 Austin All points which concerne faith and good life are found in those things which are plainly set downe in Scripture t Ibid. c. 42. And whatsoeuer thing it be that a man learne out of the Scripture if it be hurtfull there it is condemned if it be profitable there it is found u Catech. 4 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag 15. Cyril the Bishop of Ierusalem Concerning the holy and heauenly mysteries of faith we must not deliuer any thing though neuer so small without the holy Scripture neither may we be led away with probabilities and shew of words neither yet beleeue me barely saying these things vnto you vnlesse thou also receiue the demonstration thereof from the Scripture For the security of our faith ariseth from the demostration of the holy Scripture x Theod. â—â—it lib. 1. c. 7. pag. 2â—4 The Empereur Constantine in his speech to the Bishops of the Nicen Councel hath this memorable saying y 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. We haue the teaching of the holy Ghost written For the Euangelicall and Apostolicke bookes and the decrees of the old Prophets do euidently teach vs the things that are needfull to be knowne concerning God Therefore lâ—ying aside all contention let vs out of the diuine-inspired Scripture take the resolution of those things we seeke for Thus the ancient Church would neuer haue spoken if it had bene of the Iesuites mind that the Scriptures alone cannot be the rule to direct our faith 5 And very common sense may confirme their iudgement For if the written word be granted to be the rule in one point as z August de Trinit lib. 15. cap. vltim in the Trinitie for example who may deny it to be the rule in another seeing the rule is but one for all and the nature thereof is to be perfect as the Iesuit himselfe requireth Again what father what councell or Churches iudgement is so absolute what doctrine or exposition so likely a Act 17.11 Ioh. 5.39 but it is examined by the Scriptures And when the Papists haue said what they can they are constrayned to grant that all other authority is finally resolued into the authoritie of the Scripture these are the words of Gregory of Valence b Comment Theolog. in Thom. tom 3. disp 1 qu. 1. punct 1. pag. 31. If a man be asked why he beleeues for example that God is one in nature and three in person let him answer because God hath reuealed it If againe he be demanded how he knoweth that God hath reuealed it let him answer that indeed he knoweth it not euideÌ„tly but beleeueth it infallibly by faith and that vpon no other reuelatioÌ„ c bene tamen ob insallibâ—lem propositionem Ecclesiae tanquam conditionem but yet the infallible proposition of the Church as a condition requisite for the beleeuing it doth wel moue him theruÌ„to d Sirursus vnde cognoscat propositionem Ecclesiae esse infallibilems fimiliter dicat se clarè noÌ„ nosse credere tamen fide infallibili ob reuelationeÌ„ Scripturae testimonio perhibentis Ecclesiae cui reuelationi noÌ„ credit ob aliam reuelationem sed ob seipsam If again you aske And how doth he know the proposition of the Church to be infallible let him likewise say he knoweth it not euidently but beleeueth it infallibly because the Scripture hath reuealed it giuing testimony to the Church which reuelation he beleeues not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe though hereunto the proposition of the Church as a requisite condition be needfull Let this speech of the Iesuite be well noted 6 Finally the euidence of this truth is such that it conuinceth the Papists themselues many
of them Thomas of Aquin e Lect. 1. in 1. Tim. 6. saith The doctrine of the Apostles and Prophets is called canonicall because it is the rule of our vnderstanding And againe f 1. qu. art 8. Our faith resteth and stayeth it selfe vpon the reuelation giuen to the Apostles and Prophets which writ the canonicall bookes and not vpon reuelation if any such haue bene made to other Doctors Antoninus the Archbishop of Florence g Sum. part 3. tit 18. c. 3. §. 3. writeth expresly that God hath spoken but once that in the holy Scripture that so plentifully to meet with all temptations and all cases that may fall out and all good works that as Gregory in the two and twentieth booke of his Morals expounds it he needs no more speake vnto vs concerning any necessary matter seeing all things are found in the Scripture Gerson h Trithem catal Script eccl the great man of the Councell of Constance i De Commun sub vtraque specie saith the Scripture is the rule of our faith which being well vnderstood no authority of men is to be admitted against it Durand k Praefat. in Sentent saith that generally in the things that touch our faith we must speake to that which the scripture deliuereth lest any maÌ„ fall into that which the Apostle noteth 1. Cor. 8. If he thinke he knoweth something yet he knoweth nothing as he ought to know for the maner of our knowledge l Sacra Scriptura mensuram fidei exprimit must be not to exceed the measure of faith and the holy Scripture expresseth the measure of faith Alliaco the Cardinal m 1. Sent. q. 1. art 3.1 Coroll lit H. quoniam ad ipsas fit vltimata resolutio theologici discursus saith The verities themselues of the sacred Canon be the principles of Diuinitie the finall resolution of Theologicall discourse is made into theÌ„ and originally from them is drawne euery conclusion of Diuinitie Conradus Clingius n Locorum l. 3. cap. 29. pag. 298. Norma vlna Index saith The Scripture is the infallible rule of truth yea the measure and iudge of the truth o Iac. Peres à valdiu de ratio Con. l. 2. c. 19. Peresius the Diuinitie reader at Barcilona in Spain saith The authoritie of no Saint is of infallible truth for Saint Austin giues that honor onely to the sacred Scriptures That onely is the rule which is of infallible truth but the Scripture onely is of infallible truth therefore the Scripture onely is the rule Finally Bellarmine himselfe one of the two that haue wonne the garland saith p Biblioth select lib. 7. cap. 2 pag. 458. q De Verb. Dei l. 1. c. 2 Posseuinus acknowledgeth as much as I say against the Iesuites conclusion let his words be excused how they can for thus he q De verb. Dei lib. 1. cap. 2. writeth The rule of faith must be certaine and knowne for if it be not certaine it is no rule at all if it be not knowne it is no rule to vs but nothing is more certaine nothing better knowne then the sacred Scripture contained in the writings of the Prophets and Apostles * Sacr. Scriptura regula credeÌ„di certissima tutissimaque per corporales literas quas cerneremus legeremus erudire nos voluit Deus Wherefore the sacred Scripture is the rule of faith most certain and most safe and God hath taught vs by corporall letters which we might see and reade what he would haue vs beleeue concerning him This he writeth against Swinkfield and the Libertines relying vpon reuelations whereby you may freely iudge whether the truth haue not constrained him to renounce the Iesuits conclusion Shall the Libertines be recalled from their blind reuelations to the written text and shal not the Papists be reuoked from their vncertaine traditions to the same rule Is nothing more knowne nothing more infallible then the Scripture by the Iesuites owne confession and yet shall our Priests reiect it from being the rule as not sufficient to preserue from error not vniuersall enough not knowne enough not infallible enough I pray you consider well how far our aduersaries deale against their owne conscience in this point the same Iesuite saith r De notis Eccl. c. 2. in another place The Scripture is better knowne then the Church in some cases as namely where it is receiued and speaketh plainly and the question is of the Church Now we admit the Scriptures on all hands and all the questioÌ„ betweene vs is about the Church and therefore let them do vs iustice and allow vs the Scripture to be rule and iudge because it is better knowne then the Church let the Iesuit recant his conclusions and yeeld either to the euident testimonies of the text against him or to the iudgement of the Fathers or at the least to the confession of his owne Doctors whose testimonie he may not by Å¿ 2. q. 7. c. Si haereticus Sin auteÌ„ orthodoxus contra haereticum litiget pro orthodoxo quidem haeretici testimonium valeat contra orthodoxum autem solius orthodoxi testimonium valeat the law refuse because they are of his owne church or if he will not then the next booke that he writeth let him send vs word by whom he will be tried and he shall be prouided for Digression 4. containing the very cause why the Papists disable the Scripture so from being the rule 7 Secondly the causes why the Papists disable the Scriptures from being the rule and striue so for their Churches authoritie are especially two First that so they may make themselues iudges in their owne cause For who sees not that if the Church be the rule of faith and theirs be the Church which way the verdict wil go chiefly when they shal behold the Pope with his infallâ—ble iudgement mounted vpon the tribunall and made interpreter of all the euidence that shall be brought in when Scriptures Fathers Councels and Church must all be expounded by his iudgement For u Thom. opusc contra error GraecoruÌ„ Turrecre n. Sum. de eccl l. 3. c. 23. Sâ—mm Syluest verb. Fides nu 2. Aluaâ— Pelag. de planct eccl lib. 1. art 6. Bellarm de Christ l. 2. c. 28. Greg. de Valent. analys fidei this they require that so we might returne them Campians conceit x Ratio 2. apud Posseuin biblioth select lib. 7. c. 18. In fine so they order their matters that you shall haue no triall passe vnlesse you be resolued to stand to the award of themselues that are arraigned 8 Next for that they know and confesse the most and greatest points of their religion euen welnigh all wherein they dissent from vs haue no foundation on the Scriptures but as Andradius y Orthod explic l. 2. speaketh would reele and stagger if tradition supported them not whereupon z Can. locorum l. 3. c. 3. they
admonish one another that there is more strength to confute heretickes in traditions then in the Scripture yea all disputations with them must be determined by traditions so little hope haue they of receiuing any vantage by the Scripture Therfore Bristow dealt surely and circumspectly for his Romane faith a Mot. vltim where teaching his scholler how to deale with a Protestant he biddeth him first get the proud hereticke out of his weake and false castle of onely Scripture into the plaine field of traditions miracles Councels and Fathers and then like cowards they shal not stand For I dare vndertake on a Papists behalfe that put the Scripture to silence and set the Pope as iudge and giue him authoritie to make and repeale lawes to vse traditions approue Councels expound Fathers and Scriptures declare the Churches mind b Papa dicitur coeleste habere arbitrium sententiam quae nulla est facit aliquam De translat episco C. Quanto in Glossa make something of that which is nothing and to vse his will for a lawfull reason and finally as Stapleton c Princip doctr fidei in praefat speaketh let vs imagine that we heare God himselfe speaking in him and therefore vpon his authoritie teaching vs the foundation of our religion must be laid and as Bristow wisely foreseeth the Protestants shall be proued to be cowardly conuicted hereticks indeed Saue that he did not foresee how by confessing so much of his religion to rely onely on tradition and the credit of his Church he hath debarred himselfe and all Papists for alledging the text for it and any man of meane capacitie will easily conceiue what small comfort can be in that religion which is thus acknowledged to haue no warrant from the Scripture And we Protestants cannot but note their conscience and smile at their confidence which are so loud in alledging texts for that which they know and graunt cannot be proued but by tradition and D. Saunders was but in an Irish fit when he cried out so vehemently d Rock of the Church pa. 193. How vnhappie are men now a dayes that hauing most plaine Scriptures not such as possible needs the Churches declaration but most plaine and expresse Scripture not in some which e Multoque maxima pars euangelij peruenit ad nos traditione perexigua literis est mandara Hosius confess c. 92. vide Eck. ench c. 4. de scriptur other Papists could haue bene câ—ntent with but in all points for the Catholicke faith and none at all against the same yet they pretend by the very Scriptures to ouercome the Catholickes If this had bene true traditions should haue bene in lesse account then now they are and the Scriptures more allowed Digress 5. Wherin against the Iesuits conceit secretly implied in his first conclusion it is shewed that the Scriptures ought to be translated into the mother tongue and so read indifferently by the lay people of all sorts 9 If the Iesuite by his generall exception against our English translation meant also to gird at the reading of the Scriptures in the mother tongues and the permission thereof to the common people according to the conceit of f Bellarm. de verbo Dei l. 2. c. 15. Rhem. praefat Staphy apol Petes de tradit part 2. assert 3. pag 43. Ouand breuilo in 4. dist 13. prop. 13. l. edesima c. such as very odiously exclaime against it for that the translated Bibles be in the hands of euery husbandman artificer prentise boy girle mistris maid man c you haue at hand wherewith to answer him For in vaine were the Scriptures giuen vs g Mat. 4 4.7 10. Ephes 6.17 to be our armour against Satan if we might not be exercised in them in vaine are we commaunded h Deut. 6.7 13.12 Ios 1.8 Ioh. 5.39 to search them if they may not be translated for our vnderstanding in vaine are we taught i Col. 3.16 2. Cor. 8.7 2. Pet. 1.5 Heb. 5.12 to abound in knowledge and vnderstanding if the Scripture k Psa 19.7 Prou. 1.2 2. Tim. 3.15 the meanes thereof be holden from vs and in vaine haue the words of Christ and his Church called them l Digress 3. the Rule if we may not vse them or if as Duraeus m Confut. resp Whitak 1. â—at 5. pag. 148. writeth God had left vs not the bookes of the Scriptures but Pastors and doctors or as n Apolo part 2. transl by Stapl. pag. 76. Staphylus counselleth a Portesse containing I know not what parcels were sufficient or if Hosius the Cardinall lie not that o De sacr Vernac legend ignorance of the things we beleeue is worthy not onely of forgiuenesse but also of reward and p De express Dei verbo pag. 91. it is fitter for women to meddle with their distaffe then Gods word 10 But whatsoeuer the conceit of these men may be certaine it is and the Ecclesiasticall stories make it cleare that in the Primitiue church the word of God was not onely permitted the lay people to reade but also for that cause translations were prouided and they called vpon to be diligent in them of what estate soeuer they were q 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Socrat. l. 4. c. 33. Vlphilas a Bishop of the Goths translated the Scriptures into their language that so the barbarians might learne the words of God saith Socrates Auentinus r Annal. l. 4. sayth that Methodius translated them into the Slauonian tongue Å¿ Homil. 1. in Ioh. Chrysostome mentioneth Syrian Egyptian Indian Persian and Ethiopian translations yea others innumerable t De Curand Graecorum affect l. 5 Theodoret saith the Bible was turned into all languages vsed in the world Greeke Latin Egyptian Persian Indian Armenian Scythian Sarmatian which is also proued by this that diuers bookes and fragments of them are extant to this day And concerning our owne nation u Eccles hist gent. Angl. l. 1. c. 1. Bede sheweth that of old it had the Scriptures in all the languages thereof And finally x Rhem. praefac the Papists themselues cannot denie but this was the vse of those auncient times Let the testimonie of Austine be noted for the clearing of the point y De doctrin Christian l. 2. c. 5. It is come to passe that the Scripture wherewith so many diseases of mens wil are holpen proceeding from one tongue which fitly might be dispersed through the world being spread farre and wide by meanes of the diuers languages whereunto it is translated is thus made knowne to nations for their saluation the which when they reade they desire nothing else but to attaine to the mind of him that wrote it and so to the will of God according to the which we beleeue such men spake And what is more common with z Chrysos hom 3. de Laz. ho. 9. ad Coloss hom 2. 5. in Matth. hom 29.
point of the sence For we know the diuine doctrine to be one and the same in all translations immediatly in the originall and more obscurely in the translations and therefore we so vse them as that we examine all by the originall approuing the best and not hindering the mending of it if need require But this change implies no such error in the matter For one true sence may be vttered diuersly and though things be alwayes one and the same yet words be diuers In which sence our translations are of differeÌ„t sort and yet no materiall error As for example some playner or in phrase liker the original then othersome One translation is in verse another in prose one word for word another sence for sence one hath a higher obscurer phrase another a lower and playner yet how can it be inferred hereupon that therfore they be erronious when they all yeeld the same diuine sence Therefore Austins iudgement is more to be preferred who saith i De doctrin Christ lib. 2. c. 12. 14. the variety and multitude of translations doth not hinder vs from vnderstanding the text but very much helpe vs specially if we shall diligently compare them one with another And what shal become of the popish Authenticall vulgar if change and varietie be a signe of error which so often was changed before it came to that it is and since the Trent approbation hath so many different copies Yea what shall become of their Missals Portesses and Seruice bookes that so many times haue bin reformed and more should be but that the Seruice of the Church would be altered so farre that scarce any shew of the ancient Religion would be remaining in it k Loc. lib. 11. cap. 5. saith Canus a Popish Doctor 8 But the Iesuite obiecteth further that seeing the translatour being but a man may erre how shall an vnlearned man be infallibly sure that this or that translation erreth not or if it erre in on point that it doth not in another vnlesse the Churches authoritie be admitted to assure vs Whereto I answer l Psal 119 105. Prou. 6.23 2. Pet. 1.19 that the doctrine conteyned in the Scripture is a light and so abideth into what language soeuer it be translated and therefore the children of light know it and discerne it For m Ioh. 10.4 1. Cor. 2.15 1. Ioh. 2 20. Ioh. 7.17 14.16.17 God directeth them by the holy Ghost who openeth their hearts that they know his voice from all others and that the light of his truth may shine vnto theÌ„ Which light is of this nature that it giueth testimonie to it selfe and receiueth authoritie from no other as the Sunne is not seene by any light but his owne and we discerne sweet from sowre by it owne tast And for the opening of our eyes to see this light whereby our conscience may be assured we haue diuers meanes some priuate as skill in the tongues learning labour prayer conference c. Some publicke as the ministery of the word which is the ordinance of God to beget this assurance which act of the Church is not authoritie to secure me but ministery to shew me that which shall secure me which ministery is founded on the Scripture it selfe in that from thence it fetcheth the reasons that may perswade me and sheweth the light that doth infallibly assure me And thus we know our translations to be true Digression 6. Declaring how the assurance of our faith is not built on the Churches authoritie but on the illumination of Gods spirit shining in the Scripture it selfe 9 So then the vnlearned man is secured not vpon the Churches credit and authoritie but by her ministery which teacheth him he is directed to the light it selfe and this ministery we haue and vse for our translations but they that obey it know the translation and so proportionably all other articles of faith to be infallible because the matter therof appeares vnto them as a candle in a lanterne shewing it selfe in it owne light And that you may see the difference betweene these two the Churches teaching and the illumination of the spirit in assuring vs the spirit of God is an inward meanes the teaching of the Church an outward the spirit secureth vs by his owne authoritie the Church directeth vs by her ministery the spirit hath light in it selfe the Church borroweth hers from the Scriptures the spirit can secure vs alone the Church neuer can without the spirit But nothing can be playner to this purpose then the saying of Constantine the great in his epistle to the Persian n 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theod. hist lib. 1. cap. 25. Marking the diuine faith I obtaine the light of truth and following the light of truth I acknowledge the diuine faith We need then a more certain authoritie then the voyce of the Church that may prostrate our mind with a lightning froÌ„ heauen and stand vpon his owne ground not drawing his resolution from any thing out of it selfe 10 This is not far from that which the learnedst of the Papists be driuen to acknowledge through the necessitie of the truth For thus writeth o Princip doctrinal lib. 8. cap. 22. Stapleton in that booke where he most defends the Churches authoritie The godly are brought to faith by the voyce of the Church but being once brought and enlightened with the light of diuine inspiration then they beleeue no more for the Churches voyce but because of the heauenly light And yet more plainely in p Triplicat inchoata aduers Gulielm Whittak in admonit ad Whitak the last booke that euer he wrote that one would wonder the Iesuite should see no authoritie to secure vs but the Churches The inward perswasioÌ„ of the holy Ghost is so necessary and effectuall for the beleeuing of euery obiect of faith q Nec absque illa quicquam à quoquam credi possit etsi millies Ecclesia attestetur per illam solam persuasiâ—nem quodlibet credenduÌ„ credi queat tâ—cente prorsus vel noÌ„ audita Ecclesia that without it neither can any thing by any man be beleeued though the Church testified with it a thousand times and by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church held her peace or neuer were heard Where is he then that saith we cannot be infallibly sure that this or that is doctrine of faith free from error vnlesse we admit an infallible authoritie in the Church to assure vs Digression 7. Wherein the Trent vulgar Latin and our English translation are briefly compared together 11 Which authoritie if we did admit supposing the Church were like theirs might we not speed possible as the Papists haue done in their authenticall vulgar and be assured of that which were starke naught For I thinke the Sun neuer saw any thing more defectiue maimed then the vulgar Latin yet r Concil Trid. sess 4. their Church hath canonized it for good
l. 11. c. 3. Ecclesiam esse regulam infallibileÌ„ proponendi explican li veritates fidei non potest reduci ad authoritateÌ„ ipsius Ecclesiae Hoc enim esset idem per idem confirmare sed necesse est reducere hunc assensum ad testimonium Spiritus sancti in â—linantis per â—umen fidei â—d â—oc credibile â—ccleâ—ia non â—otest errate Dom. Ban 22. q. 1. art 1 pag. 17. Austin be wel considered Moses that writ these things O God is gone to thee if he were now before me I would desire him to open them to me and I would heare him if he spake Hebrew I could not vnderstand him if he spake Latin I could know what he said but how should I know whether he spake the truth And if I did know it could I know it from him For within me in the inner parlour of my thought there is neither Hebrew nor Latin â—or Barbarian truth that could say Moses saith true that I should presently being certaine and confident say to him thy seruant thou sayest the truth Therefore seeing I cannot aske him I aske thee the truth by whose fulnesse he spake the truth thee O my God I beseech pardon my sin and which gauest him power to speake these things giue me also power to vnderstand them Austine would neuer haue enquired thus how he should know whether Moses spake the truth if he had thought the testimonie of the Church could secure vs he could not beleeue the Scripture vpon Moses word then much lesse could he beleeue it on the Churches Yea his words do wholy exclude the authoritie of Moses both totall and partiall 20 The Papists therefore are the patrons of Atheisme t Bellarm de effect Sacram. l. 2. c. 25. who teach that if we take away the authoritie of the present Church and of the Councell of Trent then the whole Christian faith may be called in question for the truth of all ancient Councels and of all points of faith depend vpon the authoritie of the present Church of Rome How much better said u De doctrin Christian l. 1. c. 37. Austin Our faith shall reele and totter if the authority of the Scriptures stand not fast Let these assertions of Papistry be well noted § 9. Thirdly they erre in the third condition For the Scriptures are not so vniuersall as the rule of faith had need to be For this rule ought to be so vniuersall that it may absolutely resolue and determine all points questions and doubts of faith which either haue bene or may hereafter fall in controuersie But the Scriptures alone are not thus vniuersall * Non inficiamur praecipua illa fidei dogmata ad saluteÌ„ omnibus necessaria perspicuè satis comprehendi in Scriptura Coster ench c. 1. For there be diuerse questions of faith and those also touching verie substantiall points which are not expresly set downe and determined in the Scripture As namely that those books which are generally holden for Scripture are euery one the true word of God For this in particular of euery booke holden for Scripture we shall not find expresly written in anie part of the Scripture This part therefore whereupon dependeth the certaintie of euery other point proued out of Scripture cannot be made infallibly sure vnto our vnderstanding or beliefe vnlesse we put some other infallible rule whereupon we may ground an infallible beliefe which infallible rule if we admit to assure vs that there is at all anie Scripture and that those bookes and no other are canonicall Scripture why should we not aswel admit it to assure vs infallibly which is the true sence and meaning in all points of the same Scripture The Answer 1 The Iesuits first exception against the Scripture was that it was too difficult now followeth his next that it containeth not all things needfull to be knowne Thus his argument may be concluded The rule must be vniuersall containing all points of faith But such is not the Scripture for many substantiall points are not expresly set downe therein Therefore it is not the rule Whereto I answer denying the assumption for euery point of faith and whatsoeuer else is needfull either to be knowne or done is contained in the scripture so far forth that there is no point question or doubt concerning faith but by the scriptures alone it may absolutely be determined For a 2. Tim. 3.15 it is profitable to teach to reproue to correct and to instruct in all righteousnesse that the child of God may be absolute being made perfect to all good workes 2 But the Iesuite saith there be diuers things not expresly set downe or determined reseruing this word expresly for a starting hole to creepe out at because they be not written word for word in so many syllables But I answer him three things first that the Popish diuinitie is that many points are contained in the Scripture neither thus expresly nor yet at all to be concluded thence by collection for else why make they that opposition betweene the scripture and tradition Secondly if this be his mind then he hath put more into the assumption then was in the proposition for the rule is not bound to containe all things thus expresly Thirdly that is expresly in the scripture which is there set downe either plainly in so many words as b De doctrin Christian l. 2. c. 9. Austine saith All things are that concerne our faith and manners or by analogie when it is necessarily implied in the text For c Alliaco 1. sen qu. 1. art 3. euery such conclusion is a theologicall discourse and hath his warrant from the text and so still the scripture containeth all things needfull 3 Against this the Iesuit hath one argument that it is no where written that these bookes of scripture that we haue are the true word of God Wherto I answer first though this were granted yet would it not follow that all points of faith are not contained in the scripture because in euery profession the principles are indemonstrable assented to without discourse and the scriptures are the principles of religion and therefore first we must grant them to be the very word of God and then say they are such as containe all points needfull to be knowne This then which the Iesuite requireth to be shewed out of the text it selfe is first to be supposed yea beleeued that it is the true word of God whereto we are perswaded by the heauenly light it selfe Secondly I wonder at the Iesuites confidence that dareth so boldly say that of euery booke holden for scripture we find it not expresly written that they are the true word of God for Saint Paul d 2. Tim. 3.16 saith expresly All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God and Saint Peter e 2. Pet 1.20 Luc. 1.70 saith No prophecie in the Scripture is of priuate interpretation but the holy men of God spake as they were moued by
the holy Ghost Now to be inspired of God and to be the true word of God is all one The former is written we see expresly of all Scripture therefore of euery booke and therefore the latter is also written 4 If the Iesuite reply but where is it written that these bookes which we haue be the same of whom it is said they are inspired of God or how know you the Scripture that telleth you so is the word of God I answer this is nothing to the purpose for he desireth onely to know where it is written that these bookes be the word of God and I answer him by naming the places out of the bookes themselues Digression 12. Wherein it is shewed that the Scripture proueth it selfe to be the very word of God and receiueth not authority from the Church 5 It is another question how I know this Scripture that saith so of it selfe to be the word of God for this is knowne first and principally by the illumination of Gods spirit as by the inward meanes f 1. Cor. 12.7.11 and is giuen to euery man to profit withall which worketh all things in all men and then by the testimonie of the scriptures themselues which is the outward meanes which openeth the eyes of the godly the testimonie of the Apostles and Prophets that penned them as Gods secretaries and the ministery of the Church inducing vs to assent These three latter being onely the instruments euery one in his owne order whereby God doth enlighten vs. 6 So that the certaintie of the Scripture is not written indeed with letters in any particular place or booke thereof but g See Scot. prolog in sent q. 2. Cameracens 1. q. 1. art 2. part 2. concil 1. the vertue and power that sheweth it selfe in euery line and leafe of the Bible proclaimeth it to be the word of the eternall God and the sheepe of Christ discerne the voice and light thereof as men discerne light from darknes sweet from sowre h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil epist 1. ad Naz. and know children by their fauour resembling the parents the puritie and perfection of the matter the maiesty of the dispensation i Non mouent non persuadeÌ„t sacrae literae sed cogunt agitant vim inferunt Legis rudia verba agrestia sed viua sed animata flammea aculeata ad imum spiritum penetrantia hominem totum potestate mirabili transformaÌ„tia Ioan. fr. Pic. Mirand exam van doctr gent. li. 2. cap. 2. Which speech of Picus is reported and commended by Posseuinus in Ciceron c. 11. the maiestie of the speech the power that it hath ouer the conscience the certaine prophecies the strange miracles contained in it the great antiquitie beyond all bookes the admirable preseruation of it against time and tyrants the sweete harmony of euery part with other the diuels rage against them that follow it the vengeance that hath pursued all such as haue not obeyed it the successe of the faith contained in it the readinesse of so many millions of men to confirme it with their bloud the testimony of aduersaries and strangers for it the simplicitie of the writers all this and much more shining to vs out of the Scripture it selfe I hope is another maner of assurance then the Church of Romes lying traditions 7 Therefore the Iesuites collection is idle if we must needs admit some other rule beside the Scripture to assure vs that there is any Scripture at all why should we not admit the same to assure vs which is the true sence for we admit both alike that is to say as we reiect the Church froÌ„ being the rule of exposition so do we also disclaime the authoritie thereof in canonization But the Iesuite is of another mind holding possible that vnlesse the authoritie of the Church did teach vs that this Scripture is canonical it should be of small credit with him as k Lib. 3. de authorit Scripturae Hosius speaketh or All the authoritie which the Scripture hath with vs dependeth of necessitie on the Churches as saith l Hier. l. 1. c. 2. Pighius or as m Epist Synod respons de authoritate Concilij pag. 700. Crab. the Councell of Basil saith That is called the holy Scripture which the Church declareth to be holy not onely the decrees and opinions of the Church be authenâ—icke and such as we must without contradiction stand vnto but also her deeds and customes must be vnto vs * Instar habeaÌ„t sanctarum scripturarum in steed of the Scriptures for the Scripture and the Churches custome both require the same affection and fashion or as Wolfangus Hermannus said and n Vbi supra Hosius defendeth his saying as good The Scripture is of no more authoritie then Aesops Fables but that the Church and Popes approue it All which if the Iesuite hold too then you may see what he requireth when he saith we must put some other rule then the Scriptures to assure vs both of the Scripture and of the true sence 8 But in what a miserable case are these men thus presumptuously to tell their followers that which at another time when they are out of the heate of their disputations they dare not stand to but vtterly renounce for o Catech. cap. de praecep eccl nu 16. Canisius saith We beleeue adhere and giue the greatest authoritie to the Scripture for the testimonies sake of the holy Ghost speaking in it p De verb. Dei lib. 1. cap. 2. Bellarmine saith Other meanes may deceiue me but nothing is more knowne nothing more certaine then the Scripture that it were the greatest madnesse in the world not to beleeue them the Christian world and consent of all nations with whom they haue bene in credit so many ages can witnesse they containe not mens inuentions but heauenly oracles q 3. dist 25. dub 3. Biel saith The Catholicke verities without any approofe of the Church of their owne nature are vnchangeable and vnchangeably true and so are to be reputed vnchangeably Catholicke r Comment in Tho. tom 3. p 2. 31. Venet. Gregory of Valence saith The reuelation of the Scripture is beleeued not vpon the credit of any other reuelation but for it selfe D. Stapleton confesseth two things concerning this matter which bewray the weaknesse of the Iesuites assertion Å¿ Defens Eccl. authorit aduer Whitak l. 1. c. 9 first that all the former writings of the Bible may be assured to vs by the latter as for example the old Testament by the authoritie of the new t Triplicat inchoat aduers Whitak in admonit Secondly that the inward testimonie of the spirit is so effectuall for the beleeuing of any point of faith that by it alone any matter may be beleeued though the Church hold her peace or neuer be heard Now if the former may receiue authoritie from the latter then we may be assured of them otherwise then by
know which is the true Church of Christ can know it no wayes but onely by the Scriptures because all those things which belong to Christ in truth the heresies also haue in schisme Therefore if any man would know which is the true Church of Christ how shall he know it in so great confusion of likenesse but by the Scriptures onely For this cause the Lord knowing the confusion of things that should happen in the latter dayes commaundeth that such Christians as will receiue assurance of faith shall flie to no other thing but to the Scriptures else if they looke to other matters they shall be offended and they shall perish not knowing which is the true Church Againe vpon these words By their fruits ye shall know them a In c. 7. Math. he saith A mans fruite is the confession of faith and his workes are the conuersation of his life therefore if thou see a Christian man straightway consider that if his confession agree with the Scripture then he is a true Christian but if it be not as Christ commanded then is he a false Christian for Christ hath referred the triall of a Christian not to the name but to the confession c. Saint Austin hath left written an excellent booke against the Donatists who pretended as the Papists now do that the Church was onely among them wherein he handleth this question at large how the true Church may be knowne and by what markes Thus he writeth in b Liber con tâ— PetilianuÌ„ Donatist Epistol seu de vnitate Ecclesiae c. 2. that booke The question betweene vs and the Donatists is where is the Church What therfore shall we do shall we seeke it in our owne words or in the words of her head our Lord Iesu Christ I thinke we ought to seeke it rather in his words who is the truth and best knoweth his owne body c Cap. 3. Let not these speeches be heard among vs This I say and this thou saiest but let vs heare These things saith the Lord. There are certaine bookes of God vnto whose authoritie we both consent we both beleeue we both stand there let vs seeke the Church there let vs trie our cause Let those things therefore be remoued from vs which we bring one against another not out of the holy Canonicall bookes but aliunde Because I will not haue the holy Church demonstrated by mans teaching but by the holy oracles of God d Cap. 16. therefore setting aside all such matters let them shew foorth the Church if they can not by the speeches and rumors of the Africans not in the Councels of their Bishops not in the writings of euery disputer not in signes and false miracles because Gods word hath prepared and made vs readie against these things but let them declare it out of the prescript of the law the prediction of the Prophets the songs of the Psalmes the words of the Pastor himselfe I enquire the Church it selfe where it should be which hearing the words of Christ and doing them buildeth vpon the rocke let him then shew me the Church and let him so shew it that he say not this is true because I say it or because my fellowes haue said it or those our Bishops or this is true because Donatus or Pontius or some other hath done such or such miracles or because men pray and are heard at the monuments of our dead or because such and such things haue happened there or because such a brother or such a sister of ours hath seene such a vision or had such a dreame let these things be remoued either as the deuices of lyers or as no better then the miracles of deceitfull spirits for either they are not true which are reported or if heretickes haue any wonders done among them it standeth vs in hand to beware the more But whether they haue the Church or not let them declare onely by the Canonicall bookes of the holy Scriptures These be the instructions these be the foundations these be the supporters of our cause By all which discourse it appeareth that Austin thought the true faith was the note of the true Church or else to what purpose should he so earnestly reuoke the Donatists froÌ„ all other courses to the tryall of the canonicall Scriptures if he had not bene of mind that the faith alone consenting with them had bene the infallible signe of the Church as he speaketh also in e Epist 166. another place In the Scriptures haue we learned Christ in the Scriptures haue we learned the Church § 25. I proue it because by true faith either is meant true faith onely in some points or in all it is not a good marke to say that is the true Church which teacheth the true faith in some points onely for all heretickes teach truth in some points and though it be proper to the true Church to be so guided by the holy Ghost that it teach the infallible truth in all points as before hath bene proued yet this is not a good marke whereby all sorts of men may and ought to come to know which is the true Church of which if they will be saued they must needs learne an infallible faith The Answer 1 We do not think euery company to be the true Church that holdeth onely some points of the true faith for all heretickes teach the truth in some things and yet we deny them to be the Church of God but f Act. 4.12 1. Cor. 3.11 Eph. 2.19 it is requisite that the foundation be holden that is to say all such truths deliuered as are necessary for all mens saluation and such heresies auoyded as destroy the foundation which kind of teaching is an infallible note whereby all Churches and professions may be tryed and we meane it when we say the faith is a marke of the Church 2 Neither yet do we thinke as the Iesuite speaketh that any visible church teacheth this truth so infallibly that it erreth in nothing we thinke and g §. 14. 15. I haue shewed the contrary for this befalleth the Church that it may be ignorant of many truthes for a time it may hold the faith sometime more sometime lesse purely it may build hay and wood vpon the foundation it may be infected with the errors and heresies of some therein and some articles lying in the very foundation may be beleeued not so clearely as h Mark 16 14. Luc. 24 5.11.12.21.25.37 Ioh. 20.25 the resurrection of Christ was for a time not well vnderstood which things though they befall the Church the holy Ghost teaching it but by degrees yet is not the faith thereby taken from it but abideth â—ufficient to giue testimony of saluation to all that will follow it And this is confirmed by the confession of our aduersaries themselues who say i Bell. de Not. Eccl. c. 2. that to erre and yet to be ready to learne and when you haue learned to
Church performe not For first themselues are declared and proued by another thing as the Iesuit himselfe vnawares granteth in that he saith they are gathered out of the Scripture and articles of our faith which is all one as if he freely confessed the word of God when all is done is the thing whereby the Church must be found and the true faith contained therein is knowne sooner and better then the Church which is not assured to vs till those things be found therein which agree with the Scripture and articles of faith This must be noted because hauing in the eight former sections wearied himselfe with striuing against vs and vsed much diligence to perswade that the true faith is no competent marke to discerne the Church by yet now of his owne accord he cometh home to vs and in his first words submitteth himself to that which before he gainsaid and so freely reuoketh all his former arguments 2 Next they are not so much as properties of the Church neither and therefore the vnlikeliest of a thousand to be marks thereof For a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Phauoâ—in leâ—ic they are not alwayes inseparably and incommunicably found therein that is such as at all times remaine in the Church alone and in euery part thereof For in the beginning it wanted antiquitie and succession and in the progresse it hath sometime bene without vnitie and vniuersalitie and at all times the false Church hath made so faire shew of all foure that no man could distinguish them but by retiring to the doctrine For Chrysostome b Hom. 49. in Math. op imperf writeth thus All those things which belong to the Church of Christ in truth the heresies may also haue in schisme they haue Churches and the * The booke not the doctrine sacred Scriptures yea Bishops and other degrees of Clergie baptisme the Eucharist and all other things yea * A pretence of Christ as Math. 24.5.23 Christ himself So that if any one will know which is Christs true Church he shal not be able in such a confusion to do it but onely by the Scriptures And of vnitie S. Basil c Aschet prooem de iudicio Dei saith He found much vnitie among all other professions onely in the Church of God he obserued great strife and vehemâ—nt dissention and the Pastors themselues distracted with all contrarietie of mindes and opinions Of succession Nazianzen d De laude Athan saith This is properly succession to succeed in godlinesse for he that professeth the same faith is also partaker of the same succession and he that holdeth a contrary faith must be reputed contrary to the successioÌ„ And e D. 40. Non est facile the Canon law They are not the children of the Saints which occupie their roomes but which do their works Of holinesse f Vbi supra Chrysostome saith In former times one might haue knowne Christs Church by her manners when the conuersation of the Christians either all or many was holy but now Christians are either as bad or worse then hereticks or Gentiles and there is more continency found among them though it be in schisme then among Christians And againe g Hom. 4. in Math. Whatsoeuer kind of holinesse the seruants of God haue in truth the seruants of Satan may haue in likenes for the diuel hath his that be meeke and huÌ„ble that be chast and giue almes that fast and do euery good deed which God hath appointed for the saluation of mankind and these formes of godlines hath the diuell brought in to seduce vs that a confusion being made betweene good and counterfet simple men which know not the difference betweene goodnes in deed and goodnes in shew while they seeke the goods seruants of God might light vpon the diuels seducements 3 And therefore allowing the Iesuite what leisure he will though otherwise any reader may perceiue he tooke himself leisure enough that penned this discourse and though briefly in shew yet in summe and effect hath couched whatsoeuer is extant in any Papist written concerning the matters questioned but yet giuing him a longer day he cannot by these markes make it infallibly sure that his Romane Catholicke is the Church of God and this himselfe knoweth in his owne conscience For Bellarmine h De not Eccl. cap. 3. speaking of these very markes confesseth They make it not euidently true that it is the Church but euidently probable whereby it appeareth that the Iesuite for all his set countenance yet knoweth well enough these his markes bring probabilitie but no certaintie And I am sure all Papists of learning will grant they are no markes at all but when they concurre with true faith whereas they say expresly i Greg. de Valent comment Theol. tom 3. disp 1. qu. 1. punct 7. §. 18. that among whomsoeuer the truth of doctrine and Sacraments are holden * Ex ijs constare veram Ecclesiam thereby it is knowne the Church is there And therefore the Iesuite may shew his skill in fitting his fowre markes to his Romane Church and remouing them from ours but he shall neuer come directly to the point vntill he try vs by the Scriptures and thereby sufficiently proue that which is easilie said we are not the Church of God but a company standing in oppositioÌ„ since Luthers time diuided into particular sects § 33. First the Protestants Church is not perfectly one or vniforme in dogmaticall points of faith but varieth according to the varietie of times and persons now holding one thing then another the learned men thereof are so much at iarre in matters of faith that it is hard to find three in all points of one opinion The Answer 1 The Papists themselues acknowledge a Luc. Pinel Thes Vademont Thes 83. that the vnity of the Church consisteth in this that the members thereof beleeue the same things vse the same worship of God and retaine the same sacraments but the Scriptures more fully teach vs how it is one First because b Ephes 4.4 it is from one beginning which is the holy Ghost who as one soule quickeneth and moueth all the members Next c Eph. 4.15 it hath but one head which is Christ And thirdly d Eph. 4.5 Rom. 12.5 it is but one body and one societie partaking the same doctrine sacraments worship of God The which vnitie if the Iesuit can shew to be waÌ„ting among vs good reason the game be his but for the doing herof it is not enough to say we varie vnlesse he can make true demonstration that the variance is in faith and this faith is changed with times and persons the which according to the custome of his sect he saith confidently but sheweth not whereas we for our purgation name e A booke so called to be bought in euery shop and containing the confessions of all the seuerall Protestant Churches in Europe the Harmony of confessions wherin
appeareth by d Ep. 109. lib. 7. the epistle of Gregorie to Serenus and e De inuent l. 6 c. 13. Polydore a Papist confesseth All the Fathers condemned the worship of Images for feare of idolatry Afterward the second Nicene councel brought in the worship also f Act. 7. decreeing notwithstanding that no image should be adored with Latria diuine honour but at the last g Part. 3. q. 25. art 3 4. Thomas of Aquin h Ses 25. and the Trent Councel i Fr. Suar tvm. 1 disp 54 sect 4. Vazqu de adorat l. 2. c. 4. expouÌ„ded so by the Iesuits taught that diuine honor also should be giuen to them Here we see three alterations in one point the bringing of Images in the reuerencing them with ciuill honor the adoring them with diuine worship 14 The fift example shall be in the article of iustification For Thomas k Lect. 4. in Gal. 3. writeth that no workes either ceremoniall or morall are the cause why any man is iust before God For workes are not the cause that man is iust but the execution and manifestation of his iustice because no man is iustified with God by his worke but by the habit of faith infused This doctrine of Thomas is proued to haue bene the faith of the Romane Church in his time by this that he was made a Saint therein and was as l Studiosus impendio pontificum Fr. Vict. rel 1. de potest Eccl. p. 41. they say of him exceedingly deuoted to the Pope yea m Henriquez sum moral proaem the fift Doctor of the Latin Church and the light of all the world who brought all Theologie into a briefe summe c. Yet n Ses 6. the Councell of Trent is varied from this decreeing that mans owne inherent iustice is the formall cause of his iustification and that we are not iustified by faith since which time the learned men of that Church haue left Thomas in the point 15 Many other examples may be giuen of their inconstancy and no doubt they could be content to alter much more if the feare of losing their credit with men did not restraine them as their owne confessions now and then vnawares breaking out from them giue probabilitie We acknowledge freely o Biblioth sanct l. 8. pag 365. saith Sixtus Senensis that there are many faults in our Latine edition of the Bible which yet the Church hath left therein lest the faithfull whose eares haue alwayes from their infancie bene inured thereunto should now be offended with the noueltie of an exact correction And concerning the Communion vnder one kind p Fr. Ouand 4. d. 9. prop. 6. one of them saith that All things duely considered it were better to grant the cup then to denie it And touching the adoration of Images with diuine worship q Bel. de Imag. li. 2. c. 22. Sâ—ar to 1. disp 54. sect 4. the learnedst among them that euen themselues hold it yet thinke it not fit to be vttered in common talke or sermons before the people but rather the contrary that they ought not so to be worshipped And whereas to take away the odiousnes of this opinion that yeeldeth the honor of God to an Image r Cathar lib. de Imagin ador concl 6. 7. Peres de tradit part 3. some would haue them worshipped with a worship inferiour to that which is giuen to the first Samplar and Å¿ Holk in Sap. lect 157. Durand 3. d. 9. q. 2. Picus Mirand apol q. 3. some would haue no worship at all giuen to them but onely men should vse them to stirre themselues vp to the worship of the Samplar by kneeling before them this is misliked by othersome t Vazq de adorat l. 2. nu 415. who thinke it could be propounded to the people with small fruite yea it were foolishnesse to speake it So that we see the learned in the Church of Rome can hold nothing so absolute but some of their fellowes vary from it and what is propounded therein as matter to beleeue and practise is misliked among themselues the most being readie to receiue alteration in some points or other whensoeuer occasion should bring it in Digression 24. Touching the contentions among the learned of the Church of Rome and how the Papists liue not in that vnitie that is pretended 16 They which know Rome and Papistry are sufficiently satisfied in this matter onely some ignorant persons whom the cunning handling of such as this Iesuite is hath got into their possession will beleeue no discord to be among them But were we all so blind that we could see none of this contention yet their noyse outcries in schooles Councels pulpits and consistories one against another would make vs heare it the clamors of the conteÌ„ders resouÌ„ding in our eares no lesse then the noyse of two armies when they ioyne battell or as the old philosophers of whom u Lucian in Timon one saith merrily that with the noyse of their disputations they so filled the eares of Iupiter and made him deafe that he could not heare their praiers In whose roome x Schol. in Lud. Senec. de morte Claud. §. Facilius inter Philoso saith Rhenanus himself a Papist haue succeeded a Gods name Scotus Aquinas Egidius Romanus and others whose contentions are no lesse then that which was among the Philosophers that herein they may seeme aboue all things to resemble the old Academicks Stoicks and Peripateticks For first y See Auentin anal Boio l. 6. pag. 407. they haue the families of the schoolmen wherin euery one professeth his particular sect-maister Thomas Scot Occham or Durand where both masters and scholers haue spent their life and writings in nothing else but opposition against each other that it is truly spoken of them THERE IS NOTHING DISPVTED OR AFFIRMED BY ANY ONE OF THEM WHICH IS NOT GAINSAID BY ANOTHER Thus the Dominican and Franciscan Friers spent with their partakers whole ages in quarelling about the conception of the virgin Marie and thus the moderne Doctors of this time contend about euery thing depending in controuersie betweene them and vs hauing no certaintie among theÌ„selues what they may say against vs so far forth that I * An offer made to the Papists for the triall of the questions betweene vs. offer to make demoÌ„stration hauing done it partly already throughout this treatise against any that will deny it That there is no one point denyed or affirmed against vs wherein they vary not among themselues and if any Papist will alledge or set downe what he thinketh is the truth in any question or exposition of Scripture controuerted betweene vs I will name him againe a learned Papist either old or new that saith the contrary which is enough to show they haue no vnitie 17 This may also be confirmed by their writing one against another z His sermons printed with the booke of his answer to
the qq of the Armenians Armachanus against the Friers Marsilius and Occham against the Popes supremacie the Iesuits and Secular priests of late among vs one against another Catharinus against Caietan of whom a Loc. l. 2. c. 11. Canus againe giueth this censure He was a little too busie in carping at others and marked not that himselfe while he reprehended Caietan did many times and fowlly erre This Caietan though he were b Reuerendiss Thomae de Vio Caie S. Ro. Eccl Card. Theol. doctoris absolu tissimi The title set before his comments vpon Tho. reputed the most absolute and profound Doctor of his time c As appeareth by his opusc ad diuersorum quaesita much sought vnto for resolution of difficult questions yet afterward d Andrad defens Trid. l. 2. they suspected him to haue bene a Lutheran e Suaâ— to 3. d. 60 s 1. And this appeareth by coÌ„paring the new print of his commentaries vpon Tho. with the old edition printed at Venice An. 1523. and Pius Quintus caused a number of things to be put out of his bookes in a new impression that a man may know they are not all of one opinion So Catharinus and Soto haue written vehemently against each other and there is not one of the elder Papists such as were Pighius Gropper Bayus Peresius Cassander Hosius Almaine and the rest who in their time some three or foure score yeares since were the best pillars in the Church of Rome and taught the doctrine thereof as it was then held but now the Iesuits scornfully cast them off and confute them Who knoweth not f De grat l. 1. c. 3. saith Bellarmine that Pighius in many points was miserably seduced by reading Caluins bookes And of Gropper and the other Diuines of Collen he g De iustif l. 3. cap. 3. saith Their bookes haue need of the Churches censure in the same manner do they that are yet liuing deale one by another For nothing is more common in the bookes of Stapleton Bellarmine Gregory of Valentia Suarez Vasquez Molina Baronius and other moderne writers then to confute one anothers opinion and to determine in the questions depending as variably as euer did the schoolemen 18 And if any thinke I wrong them by reporting these things vntruly of them I demand why haue they razed purged so many of their books which were their owne Doctors why haue they put out that which they writ and put in what they writ not and so printed their bookes new ouer that now you cannot find in the new print those things which themselues printed in the old Thus they haue serued Caietan Gratian with his glosse Ferus Polydore Ludouicus Vines h See index lib. prohib and the indices expurg of all sorts Iun. Hispan Louan Posseuin apparat sacer tomis 2. and whom not if he had written neuer so little against the streame of the present time The Diuines of the holy inquisition i Biblio l. 2. c. 8. saith Posseuinus a busie meddler in all mens writings haue commanded certaine things to be razed out of Andreas Mazius his comments which sauoured of heresie And of Iansenius his Harmonie vpon the Gospels he k Lib. 2. c. 18. saith Many things are in it not allowed by learned men which with little ado might be supplyed or taken away Therfore it is plaine that among the learned of that side there is some opposition or else they would neuer geld one anothers bookes thus 19 And it is no sufficient answer to say The difference is not in dogmaticall points of faith but onely in matters not defined by the Church for it is in all the points of their religion wherein they differ from vs and wherin Papistry properly consisteth the certaine truth wherof is determined in the Scriptures and therefore it is against vnitie to disagree therein whether the Pope and his Councels determine of them or no. Besides it is a point of Atheism to say l Dico hactenus nihil esse in hac controuersia ab Ecclesia definituÌ„ ideoque sententiam nostrum non esse de side â— Fr. Suar. to 2. d. 3. l. 6. they are not matters of faith vnlesse the Church of Rome haue defined theÌ„ m Occham tract 2. part 2. c. 10 inde Anâ—otâ—ers for what God reuealed in his word and may be knowne thereby bindeth vs of it owne nature and though the Church haue power to propound matter of faith out of the Scripture and for the ending of controuersies to giue testimony with the truth yet hath it no authoritie to change the nature of things or to put any more veritie into them then was before In which regard the contentions of our aduersaries touch the faith in that they striue about things determined by the word of God and agree in nothing wherein they dissent from vs for in the same things wherin they differ from vs they also dissent one from another This I will shew in some few examples such and so many onely as the present opportunitie will permit and is fit for this place 20 First they agree not about the Popes supremacie For Ferus n Sixt. Senens biblioth l. 6. annot 72. taught against his dominion and principality in temporall things o Comment in Mat. l. 3 in c. 16. preaching that Christ gaue him the keyes not of the kingdomes of the earth but of the kingdome of heauen not any earthly power to giue take away or alienate kingdomes but authoritie to bind and loose c. And Marsilius p Defens pac part 2. c. 18. saith That vniustly yea besides and contrary to the demonstration of Diuinitie humanitie he ascribeth to himselfe fulnesse of power ouer Prince community or any singular person And Durand q De modo celeb concil queÌ„ refert Catolog test idem Gerson quem ita refert Fr. Victo relect 4. de pot Pap. Concil pag. 138. holdeth the Supremacie of the Romane Church should be declared and distinguished by the Ecclesiasticall and secular lawes neither ought the Pope to be called the Bishop of the vniuersall Church because Gregory hath forbidden it And it is a common opinion that a Councell is aboue him And Almayn r Qu. in Vesp pag. 133. saith It is not necessary we beleeue things determined by him And Cusanus Å¿ Concord l. 2. c. 12. saith that through vse and custome of his subiects obeying him he hath at this day gotten a great deale beyond the ancient sacred Canons Secondly touching prayer in an vnknowne tongue t Christ instruct pag 212. Contarenus a Cardinall saith The prayers that men vnderstand not want the fruite which they should reape if they vnderstood them for they might both specially intend their mind to God for the obtaining euen in speciall of that which with their mouth they begge and also through the pious sence of their prayer vttered they should
touching Gregorie and Bede may well be inlarged to many things written of Anthonie * As that which Gregorie Nyssen writeth touching Thaumaturgus how the virgin Maerie Saint Iohn came down from heauen to him and taught him his Creed Nyssen orat de vit Greg. Thau and others of elder time though the men that writ them if the bookes be theirs whose titles they beare were godly men For is it likely to be true that Å¿ Vit. Pauli Ierome writeth how Anthonie trauelling in the wildernesse to seeke out Paul the hermite met with a Centaure halfe a man and halfe a horse who spake to him and shewed him the way And by and by when the Centaure was gone meeteth him another monster like a Satyre with a hooke nose and hornes on his head the lower part of his bodie like a Goat offering him a branch of palme whom Anthonie asking who he was he answered I am a mortall creature an inhabitant of the wildernesse such a one as the Gentiles deluded with error call Satyres and I come as an Embassadour from my flocke to beseech you to pray to God for vs whom we know to be come for the saluation of the world whose sound is gone through out the earth If the Iesuit thinke it reason we beleeue this for it is a part of Saint Anthonies miracles and that such monsters of beasts should be and beleeue in Christ let vs play the good fellowes and beleeue all the rest too t Baron an 1028. n. 5. that the virgin Marie came from heauen to visit Saint Fulbert when he was sicke and gaue him her breasts to sucke u Vit. Bern. l. 1. c. 13. and that she visited Bernard likewise in his sicknesse being attended with Saint Laurence and Benedict And that Saint Francis x Lib. confor Anton. 3. part tit 24. c. 2. §. 8. Boz de sign l. 15. c. 3. had the fiue wounds of Christ made in his flesh by an Angell with the nailes sticking therein and continually bleeding till his dying day That he vsed to ride in the ayre in a fierie chariot talking with Christ and Marie and Iohn and accompanied with innumerable Angels That the image of the crucifix vsed to speak to him Francis go repaire my house y Boz de sign l. 14. c 3. That he had a cade Lambe which vsed to go to masse and would dulie kneele downe and adore at the eleuation z Gold Leg. That he vsed to preach to birds instruct them which heard him with great deuotion a Anton. part â—â—â—t 23. c. 1. §. 1. And that a little afore Frier Dominicke was borne there were found two Images in a Church at Venice the one of Dominick the other of S. Paul on Pauls image was written By this man you may come to Christ on Dominicks But by this man you may do it easilier because Pauls doctrine led but to faith and the obseruation of the commandements but Dominicke taught the obseruing of Councels which is the easier way b Boz vbi supr Bellarm. That Antony of Padua conuerted an hereticke by making his horse adore the hoast c Boz ib. pa. 129 And that a certain deuout woman to cure her Bees of the murren and to make them fruitfull put a consecrated hoast into the hiue and when after a time she took it vp she not only found a miraculous increase but saw also that the bees had built a chappel in the hiue with an altar and windows and doores and a steeple with bels and that the Bees had layd the hoast vpon the altar and with a heauenly noise flew about it and sung their Canonicall houres and kept watch by night as Monks vse to do in their cloisters These and others of the same straine are part of the miracles whereby the holinesse of the Romane Saints is testified and it wil not serue the turne to reply these are the basest part which is now put out of the stories or that the Church alloweth them not or that there is better stuffe then this for this as vile as it is hath the same authors that the other hath and in the dayes of Popery was read and preached publickly to the people and at this day is alledged by our aduersaries in their books against vs and remaine in the stories as before And no doubt they possesse the mindes of the vulgar as much as euer they did who among them is of the same mind that Canus d Loc. pag. 336. saith he knew a Priest of who was fully perswaded that nothing could be false that was once put in print Yea e Brist mot 6. they shame not to write and our countreymen beleeue it because it is printed that these very miracles of Thomas Aquinas Thomas Becket Bernard Francis Dominick and the rest cannot be checked though Canus checked them afore Bristo was hatched No man being able to put any difference betweene the miracles of Christ with his Apostles and of these men Polybius a heathen author f Hist l. 16. mentioning in his story some such like wonders as these Legend miracles are which the Gentiles beleeued saith they seemed to him altogether childish absurd and impossible yet notwithstanding saith he as long as they nourish in the vulgar pietie toward the gods the writers must be pardoned though they speake monsters This belike is the policie of the Church of Rome to coine lies for religion as I noted out of Canus and to beare with monsters of miracles for pieties sake 9 But leauing them to do with their owne what they wil let the discreet reader now remember where the cause sticketh namely at the certaintie and credit of the Legend miracles For other they haue none which they can properly challenge and these are grounded on such authoritie as not onely shameth it selfe but also is discredited by the learnedst among themselues And so stil for any thing our aduersaries can alledge the Protestants faith is better proued by the consent thereof with the Scriptures then their aduersaries is by the miracles of Antonie and Francis Digress 45. Touching Monkes and religious orders holden among the Papists and which they say we haue reiected and forsaken 10 First our aduersaries are bound to proue that the law of God and course of true religion bindeth vs to follow these professions for if some priuate men in the Primitiue Church began such a thing without commandement onely vpon their owne voluntary libertie it is lawfull for vs by the same libertie to leaue it againe Next let them shew if they can that pouertie chastitie and obedience as they define them are counsels of such perfectioÌ„ that they cannot be fulfilled as much as God requireth but by going to a Cloister and turning Frier or that a man vnder the pretence of following such counsels may lawfully forsake his parents and calling wherein God hath placed him to liue in an Abbey professing a rule deuised by
men The which things we say God hath tied no man to neither by word nor example in all the Scripture Thirdly the disgracing of religious orders as this Iesuite speaketh began not in the Protestants but themselues as I will shew presently and the first that moued and effected the plucking downe of Abbeys in England was not the Protestants but Cardinall Wolsey g Onuphr vit Pont. Sand. de schism Angl. the scum and scandall of mankind and what the Protestants afterwards did the vncleannesse of the Monks deserued 11 And though we grant that Antonie and Benet and others of that time practised a certaine kinde of Monachisme and liued solitary yet were they Monks of another kind as far from these of the Church of Rome as the time is distant wherin they liued Their religion was not the same their manners were better their conuersation euery way was of another sort And the religious orders among the Papists haue nothing of theirs but the names onely whereby as the Asse with the Lions skin on his backe they gull the ignorant that thinke euery thing is the same that hath the same name For those ancient Monkes betook themselues to solitude at the first not with any opinion of perfection but h 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Soz. l. 1. c. 12. Niceph. l. 8. c. 39 to escape persecution and to hide themselues And when they found by experience that the life fitted their austeritie and rid them of many worldly cares they increased it the more and followed certaine rules for study and behauiour religious exercises much like as is vsed this day in Colledges In which course of life i Antidida Colon pag. 131. Dion eccl hier c. 6. some were lay men not medling with Ecclesiasticall matters k Athan. ep ad Dracont some were maried and liued in that state l Eras vit IeroÌ„ they bound themselues with no vowes m Aug. de mor. eccl l. 1. c. 33. Niceph. l. 9 c. 14 nor made any distinction of meates n Vitas patrum part 2. § 51. Niceph vbi supra they laboured with their hands o Sozo l. 1. c. 12 Ieron ep 13. ad Paulin. and liued not in cities but alone and remote from men with many other customes which the Monkes of this time obserue not whereby they proue themselues to be as far from Antony and Benet as we are Yea diuers among themselues complaine p Polyd. hist Angl. l. 6. that it is incredible to speake how much they are degenerated And q Alua. Pelag. planct pag. 130. though they haue the likenesse of the Apostles yet they are remoued far from their life Let the Church lament her Monkes and say Where be my ancient Monkes which founded the Church and held the holy life of the primitiue Church This sheweth * Liber pater praeponitur libro patrum Calicibus epotandis non codicibus emendandis indulget hodie studium monachorum quibus lasciuam musicam Timothei pudicis moribê° aemulam non verentur adiungere sicque cantus ludentis non planctus lugentis officiuÌ„ efficitur monachale Greges vellera fruges horrea porri olera potus patera lectiones sunt hodie studia monachorum Rich. Dunelm Philobibl c. 5. the religious men of the Romane Church are of another cut then in the time of Antony and Benet they were and therefore disgracing them we touch not the old Monks of that time but birds of another fether 12 And if we haue thought and spoken hardly of them touching their conuersation and so disgraced them what maruell when the very sauour of their cloisters bewrayed them and the stinke of their hypocrisie was such that all the world was annoyed with it and their owne writers chronicled it Must the holinesse of Monks and Nunnes be a signe of the true Church and layd in as an argument against vs and must we be condemned for suppressing them and yet may we not be allowed to looke a little into it and see if it were so indeed or otherwise I see no reason but we may lawfully and without any suspition of malice examine that holinesse that vpon so great termes is put vpon vs and see whether it be so or no and let the shame be theirs that are guiltie and the fault be layd vpon them that first cold the tales out of the schoole For we for our parts are confident that in all their Church they could haue found no holinesse which they might worse haue stood vpon then this of their cloisters of whom their own r Inuent l. 7. c. 5. Polydore saith It were behouefull that these dregs of men were cut off and burnt that with their filth they should no longer defile Gods seruice And Aluarus Pelagius Å¿ De planct l. 2. ar 2 73. 83. writeth of such things done in them as are not meet to be named and I think shal neuer be met with again but in hell or in another cloister 13 I would haue stirred this dunghill no further but that as I was writing these things there came to my hands t Rule of good life a little booke made by a Papist such as our country is full of to seduce the vulgar vnder pretence of exercising them in deuotion wherein teaching his Catholickes how to bring vp their children I must u Cap. 9. pag. 74 saith he tell them often of the Abbeys and the vertue of the old Monks and Friers and Priests and the religious men and women and of the truth and honestie of that time and the iniquitie of ours And therefore accordingly let vs tell our children a little more of this matter and let none tell it but Papists themselues that the children may beleeue them Clemangis a Doctor of Paris that liued 200. years ago when the old time was x De stat eccles pag. 47. inde saith Concerning Monks and Abbeys what can I say that is commendable being so slippery indisciplinated dissolute vnquiet running vp and downe into common and dishonest places hating nothing so much as their cels and cloisters their reading and praying their rule and religion Monks they are in externall habit but in life and works far from their professed perfection This of Monks And touching Friers he saith * pag. 53. They are worse then the Pharises rauening wolues in sheepes clothing who in words pretend the forsaking of the world and in deeds with all possible fraud deceit and lying hunt after it making semblance in outward shew of austeritie chastitie humilitie holy simplicitie but secretly in exquisite delicates and varietie of pleasures going beyond the luxuriousnesse of all worldly men and like Bels priests deuouring the oblations of the people and though not with their wiues yet with their brats filling themselues greedily with wine and good cheare and polluting euery thing with lust whose beate burneth them And of Nuns he saith * pag. 56
an 400. n. 42. Ruffin runneth ouer all things idly and in many things he saith not truly He putteth on the guise of heretiks he persisteth ioyning sottishnes with his fury which is peculiar to all heretickes k Bell. cleric c. 20 Socrates to omit the rest in the 21. chapter of his 5. booke maketh three notable lies Both he and Sozomen were heretickes l Bell. ib. de poenit l. 3. c. 14. Sozomens story is full of lies therefore S. Gregory reiecteth it m Baron an 56 n. 26. There is as much credit to be giuen Socrates reporting the fact of Nectarius putting downe penance as all other heretickes deserue when they handle their owne opinions And because it is certaine that Sozomen also maintained the same matter with the Nouatians it is easie to shew how manifestly both of them doted n Baron ann 325. n. 6. Nicephorus heapeth greater lies then these together o Baron ann 774. n. 10. 12. 13 Sigebert is to be called to account as touching a point of great weight and reader when thou hearest it it will constraine thee tragically to cry out ô villany ô fraud ô cousenage he lieth too shamefully The things he writeth are forgeries deseruing to be blowen away and execrated with their author p Bell. de Pont. Rom l. 2. c. 5. We contemne Fasciculus temporum and the Passionall two of their owne stories specially seeing Fasciculus followeth Marianus who manifestly contradicteth both himselfe and the truth q Baron ann 996. nu 54. Auentine a beast infected with the scab of heresie whom Onuphrius a Catholicke most vnworthily claweth with an iuory combe when he calleth him an eloquent man r Index expurgator Toletan pag. 121. Let this commendation of Auentine Iohn Auentine a man famous in the knowledge of things and a diligent writer c. be wiped out of Cuspinian Å¿ Posseuin bibl l. 12. c. 16. Photius and Balsamon and the imperiall Constitutions must be read warily t Baro. an 853. n. 61. Turpin is a shop of fables u Bellar. Pont. Rom. l. 4. c. 7. Benno the Cardinals booke is full of most impudent lies there is no credit to be giueÌ„ to him x Baron ann 1048. n. 1. His lies are more then his words He is not a Historiographer but a Satyrist weauing falsehoods and patching fables together He taketh libertie to himselfe to lie carpe detract and faine monstrous things of godly men y Baron ann 774. n. 13. Gratian by his leaue was too credulous and improuidently writ out in so many words Sigeberts imposture and as if it had bene some firme decree or canon writ it into his booke of Decrees when it deserued rather with the author haue to bene execrated z Erro artic Parrhis p. 140. Gratians worke in some part therof is erronious and so is the Master of the Sentences and Anselme and Hugo a Aquipontan de antich p. 72. Would ye well knew we make no more account of the Glosse vpon the canon Law then the Caluinists of Heidelberg do of Brentius Catechisme b Victo relect 4. p. 138. Gerson was an enemy to the Popes authoritie and infected many with his poison His opinioÌ„ differeth but litle froÌ„ schisme I will easily grant that somtime these authors whoÌ„ you see they cast off so coÌ„tumeliously giue cause indeed to be refused but why do not our aduersaries deal plainly then and beare with vs if we do the like and why do c Camp rat 5. 7. they muster vp the catologues of al the authors they can find and yet when they haue done fall out with them about some thing or other that they haue written and giue them this entertainment For they should boast of no more then they haue to stand vpon neither should they vse that as an argument against vs that they are guiltie of themselues 14 And as they vse the fathers and the ancient histories and their owne elder authors so you shal see they vse one another to this day I said before how greatly in words they magnifie their Thomas and Posseuine the Iesuit d Biblio select l. 1. c. 10. saith His doctrine is embraced in all their vniuersities yet when he fitteth not their turne they cast him off as lightly as any other e Erro articul vbi prius c. 3. The vniuersitie of Paris saith It cannot be proued that Thomas his doctrine is allowed in all things the Church hath not allowed it so that we are bound to beleeue there is no erronious or hereticall matter in it For there is some doctrine more approued then his which yet is erronious and hereticall in points of faith It must not be thought strange or any rashnesse if yonger doctors reprehend him when they shew he erreth in matter of faith Peter Lombard Gratian Anselm Hugo and others are more authenticall then he And therefore thus the Doctors of Paris conclude it is presumption to extoll his doctrine so as if we might not auerre that he erred in faith as well as others did And his canonization which some pretend for a great colour hindereth not this c. Haue ye seene a Saint of their own making thus entertained but it is ordinary with all the learned men they haue Turrecremata d De consecrat d. 4. Firmissime nu 11. p. 101. saith that almost all the Schoolmen hold the virgin Mary had originall sinne yea that it is the common opinion among the famousest of them and he hath collected a 100. of that minde and yet now the Iesuites hold the contrary who censure all that liued before them and * Confutatur opinio Bellar. Saith Carer pot Pon. l. 2. c. 5 are daily censured themselues by others Scot. Durand and Gabriel e De grat lib. arb l. 5. c 4. saith Bellarmine three of the chiefest Schoolemen dispute more freely for mans will then were fit and Ariminensis Capreolus and Marsilius three more ascribe too little to it f Posseuin bibl l. 2. c 8. the Diuines of the inquisition commanded somethings to be wiped out of Andreas Masius his commentaries vpon Iosua that sauored of heresie g Posse ib. c. 18. Some things in Iansenius vpon the Gospels are not approued of by learned men h Bell. â—c imag l. 2 c. 8. It is to be noted that Carranza erred i Baron ann 432. n. 36. Valla was but a GraÌ„marian altogether vnskilful in matters of the Church a dead flie that must be blowne away Thus contemptibly they speake one of another to quit that which they obiect against vs touching the dissention betweene the Lutherans and Caluinists and some hasty words that haue passed betweene them Alas k Relect. 1. p. 39 saith Victoria the Glosers of the Canon Law flattered the Pope because they were poore both in learning and substance And the haire of our head is scarse growne since Baronius and
spirit and I will pray and sing with the vnderstanding also And Origen e Cont. Cels l. 8 saith Let euery man make his prayer to God in his natiue mother tongue And many learned Papists confesse f Lyra. Tho. Caiet vpon 1. Cor. 14. Eras declar ad Cens pag. 153. that in the Primitiue Church and long after the prayers and seruice were done in the mother tongue and that it were better for the churches edification to haue it so stil Cassander a great Papist g Liturgic c. 28. penult sheweth this at large and addeth that diuers nations to this day retaine the auncient custome still and neuer vsed any strange language in their prayers See Iustinian Nouel 123. 3 Thirdly touching the forbidding of lay people to reade the Scriptures and to haue them in their mother tongue For h Ioh. 5.39 Christ bad the people search the Scriptures and i Act. 17.11 the Christians of Thessalonica searched them dayly and k Deut. 6.7 Moses commanded all housholders to rehearse them continually to their family and l 2. Tim. 3.15 Timothie of a child was trained vp in them And m Corn. Agrip. vanit c. 100. the Councel of Nice decreed that no Christian should be without a Bible And Chrysostome n Homil. 3 in Laz. biddeth the lay people take the Bible into their hand and reade it and o Homil. 2. in Mat. saith the reading thereof is more needfull to them then to the Monkes And Ierome p Epitaph Paul commendeth it in women of his time that it was not lawfull for them to be ignorant in the Psalmes or to passe ouer any day without learning something out of the holy Scriptures The which things the Church of Rome at this day will not follow 4 Fourthly touching the mariage of Ministers For in q Leuit. 21.7 2. Reg. 4.1 Ezek 24.18 Luc. 1.13 the old law Priests and Prophets had wiues and r Heb. 13.4 the doctrine of Saint Paule is that mariage is honorable among all Å¿ Paphnut apud Sozom. l. 1. c. 22. Theophyl in Heb. 13.4 men t 1. Tim. 3.2 Tit. 1.6 Chrys hom 1. in Tit. who also giueth order concerning the wiues and children of Bishops which were needlesse if they might haue none And that they were ordinarily maried in the Primitiue Church appeareth by many examples Mantuan u Fast l. 1. saith Hilarie a French Bishop was maried and that in his time it was lawfull Nazianzene x Monod reporteth of Basils father who was a Bishop that in the state of marriage he held the life and order of a Bishop And Synesius the Bishop of Ptolemais y Epist ad Euopt Niceph. l. 14. c. 55. writeth thus of himselfe The sacred hand of Theophylus hath giuen me a wife and hereupon I testifie to al men that I will neither forsake her nor yet priuily as an adulterer keepe her companie but I will pray God to send me by her many and good children Athanasius z Epist ad Dracont reporteth that Bishops and Monkes liued maried and had children And the Ecclesiasticall histories a Euseb l 4. c. 23 Socrat. l. 5. c. 22. Niceph. l. 12. c. 34. say expresâ—y that in the Easterne Churches it was counted a yoke too heauie to be layed on the Church-men to binde them from marriage and therefore they might if it pleased themselues auoide the companie of their wiues but no law constrained them And therefore many executing the place of Bishops euen in the houses where Bishops vsed to dwell begat many children of the wiues which before time they had lawfully married and at this present day no Bishop sleeping with his wife is counted vnchast Finally our aduersaries themselues confesse that b Scot. 4. d. 37. Polyd. inuent l. 5. c. 4. Antidid Colon. pag. 128. Coster Enchir. pag. 517. Greg. a Valen tom 4. disp 9. q. 5. puÌ„ct 5. § 1. in the most auncient times of the Church and after the Apostles death they had their wiues c 26. q. 2. Sors that they are forbidden mariage by no diuine law but onely by a humane constitution d Ouan 4. d 25. pro 9 Bellar. cleric c. 18. that this constitution may be dispensed with by releasing the vow e Caiet quod lib. 1. q. 12. pag. 236. in fine coÌ„ment in 3. part Thom. That excluding the Church lawes made by the Pope and standing only to that which we haue from Christ and his Apostles it cannot be proued by any reason or authoritie that speaking absolutely a Priest sinneth in marying but reason rather leadeth to the contrarie in that holy orders neither as they are orders nor as they are holy can hinder mariage f Pius 2. epist 321. That it is better for a Priest to marrie then to burne though he haue vowed not to marry g Pius 2. apud Platin. in eius vita Erasm declarat ad Censur Paris pag. 200. That there be many reasons to forbid Priests mariage but more to allow it 5 Fiftly touching Images For the Church of Rome h Conc. Nicen. 2. act 7. Concil Trid. sess 25. not onely worshippeth them but commaundeth also to do it i Conc. Trid. ib. Suar. to 1. d. 54. s 4. Tho 3. q. 25. art 3. 4. with diuine honour the verie same that is due to God himselfe contrarie to the commaundement which saith k Exod. 20.4 Thou shalt make to thy selfe no image nor the likenesse of any thing thou shalt not bow downe to it nor worship it And Saint Paul l Rom. 1.23 reproueth such as changed the glorie of God into the similitude of men and beasts and fowles And m Apoc. 19.10 22.8 the Apostle was rebuked for offering to haue worshipped the Angell The Councell of Eliberis n Can. 38. decreed that no picture should be made in the Church lest that were adored which is painted on walles o Ep. ad Ioan. And Epiphanius finding an Image painted on a cloth hanging in a Church rent it down and said it was against the authoritie of the Scripture that any image should be in the Church And Origen p Contra Cels l. 7. saith of his time We worship no Images q Clem. Alexand hort ad Gent pag. 14. graec Minut. Felix octou Athenag Legaâ— and the auncient Christians of the Primitiue Church had none Yea eight hundred yeares after Christ when r Zon. Cedren alij the second Nicene Councell had set vp Images Å¿ Ouand 4. d. 2. pro. 8. Baron ann 794. n. 1. a generall Councell holden at Frankford t Abb. Vrsperg ann 793. Rhegin ann 794. where the Popes Legates also were abrogated the decree thereof and by u Opus illust Caroli Mag. contra Synod a booke purposely written confuted it In that booke it is said * pag. 486. lib. 4. cap. 2. the
c. 9. pag 131. that the power Imperiall dependeth vpon the Popes authoritie and is subordinate to it and that the Pope hath power to remoue reuoke correct and punish Kings whose secular gouernment is not meerly necessary or expedient but when the Church cannot and this they say is to be holden with the right faith as the naturall morall and diuine law of God This is a peece of the present faith of the Church of Rome the execution and practise whereof affoordeth her such store of Martyrs in euery kingdome But that you may see how vainly they brag of their vncontrolled antiquitie marke what Waldensis hath left written almost three hundred yeares ago he b Tom. 1. p. 196. lib. 2. art 3. c. 78. saith The regall power of Princes is not by our mother the Church vsed to be set behind the priestly power as if it were nothing of it selfe but sprang from it and were the second after it They erre he saith that affirme the roote of earthly power hangeth so much on the Pope that by his commission the execution of the same is deriued to the Prince Thus he writeth in that booke which he calleth the DOCTRINE OF THE ANCIENT FAITH that we might see the Church of Rome holdeth some things which in the records of her owne Court are noted for Nouelties and late incrochments against the ancient faith 10 The first restraint that euer was made of Priests marriage was by Siritius the Bishop of Rome 380. yeares after Christ For before that time it was beleeued and practised that Priests might haue wiues as all other men and Siritius was the first that euer forbad it The first part of this which I say that before his time maried men exercised the ministerie is proued before Digress 49. num 4. and is further proued by the confession of our aduersaries themselues For Alphonsus c Aduers haeres verb. Sacerdot haeres 4. writeth that in the Primitiue Church it was obserued that he which was maried might be promoted to priesthood though it were not required of him that he should first be maried And he addeth that this custome preuailed till the times of the Nicene Councell The second part that Siritius was the first that forbad maried Priests appeareth first by the decree it selfe extant in d D. 82. plurim the Canon law next by the confession of our aduersaries For e Inuen l. 5. c. 4. Polydore affirmeth it and the Glosse vpon the f D. 84. Cum in praeterito Glos §. Qui sacrameÌ„ Canon law saith Siritius brought in the continencie of Priests and Deacons yea some affirme that of old before the time of Siritius Priests might contract mariage g Index Expur pag. 308. nu 26. This Glosse Pius Quintus the late Pope hath commanded to be wiped out because it is cleare against the Papacie but Nauclerus h Tom. 2. generat 13. pag. 537. saith in effect as much that Siritius commanded Deacons to be continent And Clictoueus i De continen sacerdot c. 4. Quem refertâ— Bellar. Greg. Valent. writeth that it is a commaundement of the Church first brought in by Siritius that maried men should not be ordained Priests vnlesse from that time forward they would containe Here he confesseth that Siritius brought in that k Greg. Valent. to 4. d. 9. q. 5. p. 5. § 1. p. 1571. a. which the Iesuites thinke to be the chiefest thing whereunto the law of single life bindeth Thus Siritius began the matter but yet l Inuen l. 5. c. 4. saith Polydore it could neuer be effected that their mariage should be taken away till Gregorie the seuenth came to be Pope in the yeare 1074. The which thing when he attempted in Germanie as m Sigeb anno 1074. Lambert pag. 201 207. Auentin annal l. 5 Naucler vol. 2. generat 36. Baron an 1074. n. 37. Sigon reg Ital. l. 9. anno 1074. the stories with one consent record he was resisted as one that brought in a new custome neuer receiued before Auentine writeth n Pag. 448. that in those dayes Priests had wiues openly as other men had and begat children their wiues being called by a seemly name Presbyterissae o Pag. 460. And when the Pope forbad them mariage this to many Bishops and other learned and good men seemed a new doctrine and a pestilent heresie as euer troubled any Christian kingdome And he saith the Bishops of Italy Germany and France met together and for this cause decreed that he had done against Christian pietie and deposed him for that among diuers other things he diuorced men and their wiues denying such as had their lawfull wiues to be Priests when yet in the meane time he admitted to the altars whoremongers adulterers and incestuous persons Let any man iudge if it had bene possible the Bishops and Cleargie of Italy France and Germanie should thus bitterly haue censured and withstood this doctrine of Hildebrand if the Church had receiued it alwayes before 11 The Images of the Trinitie p Posseâ—in biblioth l. 8. c. 16. Vasq adorat l. 2 disp 3. c. 3. Bellar c. 8. which the Church of Rome now vseth and adoreth came not in of seuen hundred yeares after Christ For q Can. 82. Carranz ibi the sixt generall Councell holden anno 687. forbiddeth the making of the holy Ghost in the likenesse of a Doue and r Apud Baron an 726. pag. 87. Gregorie the second liuing anno 726. in an Epistle to Leo Isauricus writeth that in his time they vsed not to paint or represent God the Father Vpon which words Baronius hath noted in the margent that AFTERWARDS the custome grew to paint God the Father and the holy Ghost in the Church If it grew afterwards then it was not vsed at the first 12 So likewise the beginning of all image worship was in the second Nicen Councell for Å¿ Act. 7. Zonar tom 3. pag. 95. Geo. Cedren Compen p. 387 that decreed it Whereas but a little before when Serenus a Bishop in France in detestation thereof had cast out of a Church and broken certaine images Gregory the Bishop of Rome t Lib 7. Ep. 109 wrote vnto him The zeale which you had that nothing made with hands should be worshipped we commend but we are of mind that you should not haue broken those images for painting is therefore vsed in Churches that they which are vnlearned might by sight reade vpon the wals that which in bookes they cannot Your brotherhood should therefore haue spared the breaking of them and yet withall haue kept the people from worshipping them that such as are simple might haue had meanes whereby to come to the knowledge of the story and yet the people not sinne in worshipping the picture Which words shew that howsoeuer he fauoured the historicall vse of images which we deny not to haue bene brought into the Church before his time
yet he condemned all worship of them as sinne which he could not haue done if the Church had beleeued the contrary And the proceeding of the Councell of Frankford against the Nicen immediatly after it was done with the mislike that most men then liuing had thereof and the generall grudge of all the Christian world against it sheweth this to be true that I say u Opus illustriss Caroli magni c. An. 1549. The booke of Charles the great x Bell. de imag c. 14. Baron an 794. nu 31. containing the acts of the Councell of Frankford and confuting that of Nice is extant And as soone as the decree of the Nicen Councell came abroade and was knowne the faithfull refused it and spake against it as against a new conceit neuer heard of before y Houeden coÌ„tinuat Bedae ann 792. a good Historiographer writeth that Charles the king of France sent ouer into England a booke containing the acts of a Synode he meaneth the second Nicen Councell directed to him from CoÌ„stantinople wherein out alas for griefe many things are found inconuenient and contrary to the true faith Specially because by the vniforme consent almost of all the Easterne Bishops no lesse then three hunndred or more it is confirmed that images should be adored Which thing Gods Church altogether detesteth Against which booke Albinus wrote an Epistle maruellously confirmed by the authority of the Scriptures and together with the booke offered it to the king of France in the name of our Bishops and Nobles The Bishop of Rhemes liuing at the same time z Refert Alan Cope dial 4. c. 18. p. 564. writeth thus In the time of the Emperour Charles by the commandement of the Apostolicke sea there was a generall Councell celebrated the said Emperour calling it wherein according to the path way of the Scriptures and tradition of our ancestors that false Synode of the Greeks was destroid and wholly abrogated And the Bishop of Orleance at the same time likewise a Ionas de cult imag lib. 1. writeth that the images of Saints and stories of diuine things may be painted in the Church not to be worshipped but to be an ornament and to bring into the minds of simple people things done and past But saith he to adore the creature or to giue it any portion of diuine honour we count a vile wickednesse and detest the doer of such a wickednesse and with open mouth we proclaime him worthy to be accursed Would so great Peers of the Church and that so vniuersally haue thus bitterly taxed the Nicen Councell if it had not brought in and begunne a new doctrine Did the Christian world thus exclaime when nothing was altered Wey their words well and you will not thinke it 13 The doctrine touching the merit of workes was begun lately by the Schoolemen for Waldensis b Sacramental tit 1. cap. 7. p. 30 saith it is Pelagianisme and chargeth them to haue inuented the termes of condignitie and congruitie thereby to vtter it And it may easily be knowne to be to by this that the said Schoolemen agree no better in it For it were not possible they should be so contrary one to another therein if it had bene a Catholicke truth receiued from the beginning without alteration 14 The Masse began not all at once but by degrees For the Latin language came not in where the people vnderstood it not till the time of Gregory six hundred yeares after Christ as c Declarat ad censur theol Paris p. 153. Erasmus affirmeth the Church in former times vsing the Seruice in the vulgar tong The transubstantiation now beleeued to be therin is acknowledged by Scotus and Biel to be no elder then the Councell of Lateran For so d Tom. 3. d 50 sâ—ct 1. p. 628. c. Suarez the Iesuite reporteth of theÌ„ which report our aduersaries are bouÌ„d to credit coming from the mouth of so great a man of their own side The sacrifice conceited to be made therin in the iudgement of diuers learned Papists was not done by Christ For e Instit moral l. 1â— c. 8. Azorius the Iesuite writeth that some Catholickes deny that Christ offered vp himselfe vnder the forme of bread and wine in his last Supper The which is true indeed and thence it followeth that the opinion of such a sacrifice is not founded on Christs deed but vpon some later inuention since him And it is very plaine that Thomas of Aquin three hundred yeares since knew it not For f Qu. 83. art 1. disputing how Christ is sacrificed in the Eucharist he answereth that he is said so to be in two respects First because the ministration of the sacrament is an image representing the passion of Christ which is his true immolation and images vse to be called by the names of those things wherof they are images SecoÌ„dly in respect of the effect of his passion because by the sacrament we are made partakers of the fruit of his passion and saith he as concerning this secoÌ„d maner it is proper to this sacrameÌ„t that Christ is immolated or sacrificed therein These reasons of his shew that he knew no such kind of sacrifice as the Church of Rome now defendeth because the celebration of the Eucharist being in his opinion but an image of the true sacrifice of Christ he could think it to be no true sacrifice vniuocally so called but onely by externall relatioÌ„ And saying again that Christ is sacrificed therin by reason we are made partakers of the fruit of his passion he sheweth clearly he knew no reall sacrifice because we are made partakers of that euen in Baptisme also where no maÌ„ imagins Christ to be sacrificed They that are acquainted with Thomas maner of writing wil soon perceiue that had he know nor beleeued such a sacrifice in the Masse as is now conceited he would haue vttered it in other more effectuall termes and expressed it as fully as the Iesuites haue done since him And touching the outward forme of the Masse I need say no more then Cusanus the Cardinall hath confessed g Ep 7. p. 857. He saith The Apostles made the sacrament of the Eucharist by saying the Pater noster as Saint Gregory affirmeth and that diuers formes were vsed before one Scolasticus came who composed that which at this day our Church vseth The which also is diuers according to the diuersitie of places But we which liue vnder the Church of Rome haue receiued the order of the Masse from the Bishops of Rome themselues who successiuely haue added thereunto one after another and so it commeth to be a perfect Seruice or liturgie This confession is enough to shew when many substantiall points were brought against former antiquitie into the Masse For at this day the Liturgie and rites thereof containe many substantiall errors inuocation of the dead commemoration and intercession for soules in Purgatorie adoration crossing c. all which by
this confession must necessarily be granted to haue bene added successiuely since the Apostles time 15 I am weary of collecting these particulars albeit the like may be done in many more And therefore I will shew one way whereby any point of Papistry whatsoeuer may be manifestly shewed to be an alteration from that which was first holden by the true Church though the particular circumstances of the change cannot be named and that is the vncertainty and contradictions among our aduersaries touching the same and the holding of it at one time in a farre other manner then they do at another the which is a strong euidence to shew that it is but the inuention of mans wit for were it the old Catholicke truth without alteration they could neither remoue nor contradict it among themselues no more then they do the doctrine of the Trinitie or incarnation Hereof I will set downe onely two examples that our aduersaries may see their turpitude and yong students in the controuersies may be admonished what to obserue in reading the bookes of Papists both old and new 16 Touching the worship of images the Church of Rome at this day vseth it teaching that all images must be adored but the images of God and of Christ in a speciall maner with the same worship wherewith we honour God himselfe which is diuine honour And this h Azo instit l. 9 c 6 the Iesuites say is the constant opinion of all their Diuines yea i Sess 25. Azo 〈◊〉 supra Suat coâ— â—â—â—â—p 54. sect 4. the Councell of Trent hath so decreed it But marke how long it was before this opinion was ripe and what vncertaintie there is among themselues touching it For first there was a time when the Church had no images at all as I haue shewed Digress 49. nu 5. then in processe of time through the faction of priuate men they gat in against the minds and good liking of the godly as appeareth manifestly by the 36. Canon of the Elibertin Councell and the fact of Epiphanius And when they began thus to be let in yet was it onely for an historical vse and to adorne their Churches no worship at all being at the first allowed them more then we allow the pictures that are in the glasse windowes of our Churches this day in England This is proued by the records of those times conuincing our very aduersaries For Cassander perswaded by a discourse of Saint Austins k Consult concludeth thereupon that there were no images in all the Churches of his diocesse And Polydore l Inuent l. 6. c. â—3 writeth that by the testimony of Hierome it appeareth how in a manner all the ancient holy fathers condemned the worship of images for feare of idolatry m Index expur Belg. in Polyd. Vergil The which words the Papists in the later editions of his booke haue blotted out And Erasmus n Cateches saith that by the testimony of sound and approued stories it is cleare that till Hieromes time such as were of sound religion would endure no image either painted or grauen to be set vp in Churches no not the Image of Christ himselfe And to put this that I say out of controuersie our aduersaries are not able to bring one testimony out of all antiquitie whereby it may be conuinced that the images of God or Christ or any Saint were carued in statues and set vp in the Churches to be adored and offered vnto as now they are They may shew certaine pictures and paintings in wals and windowes for other purposes and they may muster vp the fables of Christs and his mothers picture made by Saint Luke the image that Christ sent to Abgarus the image erected by the woman of Syrophaenissa the image made by Nicodemus and such like which are either vntrue or impertinent but one solid authoritie cannot be giuen against that which I haue said our aduersaries haue long searched to finde it and haue wearied themselues with contending about it but whatsoeuer they bring proueth nothing when it cometh to the scanning Afterward in the second Nicen Councell by a faction of vnlearned and simple persons conspiring together at the suggestion of a gracelesse Empresse and vpon silly grounds a decree passed to worship them the which notwithstanding was refused as impious by the Bishops of England France and Germany in the Councell of Frankford which was a generall and full Councell o Abb. Vrsperg an 793. p. 1â—7 consisting of many Bishops out of all the Prouinces of the Empire p Rhegnio an 794 p. 30. and the Popes owne Legates if any would deny it to be a lawfull generall Councel Yea this worship thus decreed was not allowed long after nor is not to this day by many great and skilfull Papists for among the Schoolemen and later diuines of the Church of Rome there be q Hoâ—k Sect. 137. â— in Sap. Dura 3. d. 9. q. 2. Alex. 3. q. 30. art 3. Mirand apoloog qu. 3. Alphons Haeres verb. Adoratio haer 2. Concil Mogâ—nt an 1549. sub Sebast c. 41 42. diuers that say No worship at all is due to an image neither is it lawfull to worship it But for so much as by the Image of Christ we are stirred vp to adoâ—e Christ and before it make our adoration to him therefore we are said to adore the image And yet r Act. 4. 7. the worship allowed by that Councell was far short of that which the Church of Rome now giueth For it was not that which is called Latria diuine honor but the lesser worship consisting in the externall reuerence and being inferior to that which is giuen to the samplar And Å¿ Gabr. 3. d. 9 q. vnica concl 7. lect in Can. 49. R. Aquil. 3. d 9. Petes tract de imag p. 228. Catharin opusc de cult imag de Consecr d. 3. Venerabiles gl §. Cultu Sand. imag c. 17. many of the Schoolemen and others goe no further Till at the last in the daies of Thomas Aquinas t Tho part 3. q. 25. art 3. ibi Caiet Suar. Grego valent the conceit waxed bigger and grew to that which it now is that the crucifix and image of Christ must be adored with the same honour that himselfe is yea that honour staieth in the very image And by this one example the reader may perceiue how the seuerall articles of Papistrie haue increased by degrees and how they haue bene held at one time otherwise then at another the learned of that Church alway remouing them that it is vnpossible they should be certaine what to hold 17 Another example shall be touching originall sin For our first parents AdaÌ„ Eue hauing sinned against God left the effect of that their sinne in all mankinde their posteritie wherby they are born the childreÌ„ of wrath as the Apostle testifieth Eph. 2.3 This effect we call originall sinne and our aduersaries at this day define it to
the Apostles time increased by the heresie and ignorance and superstition of some that dayly corrupted e Euseb hist l. 3. c. 32. l. 4. c. 22. Niceph. l. 4. c. 7. the truth For the stories remember vs of a saying of Hegesippus that the Church continued a virgin vndefiled as long as the Apostles liued but when that generation was passed the conspiracie of wicked heresie through the seducement of those which taught other doctrine tooke beginning But hereof f Act. 20.28 Phil. 3.18 the Apostles gaue warning euen with teares and g 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil ep 70. the ancient Fathers complained that we may see the Papacie to haue bene resisted when it was yet in the Cockatrice egge 21 After 600. yeares were expired that the seuerall points of the true faith began one after another to be more grosly corrupted and changed by the Church of Rome in the first fiftie I name h Alphons v. imago Serenus the bishop of Marsils in France who brake the Images that began to be set vp in his Diocesse And Gregory the Bishop of Rome i L. 4. ep 32.34.38.39 resisting the supremacie and k Plat. Bonif. 3. the whole Greeke Church complaining when Phocas had first conferred it on Boniface 22 After 650. to 700 I name the sixt generall Councell l Sext. Syn. Can. 13. decreeing the mariage of Priests against the Church of Rome labouring to restraine it m Carranz in Can. 82. and forbidding to make the holy Ghost in the likenesse of a Doue n Concil Bracar 3. c. 1. The Councell holden in Portugall where the cup is appointed to be ministred to the people in the Sacrament against the practise of some that vsed to dip the bread and so giue it which was one beginning of the halfe Communion 23 After 700. to 750 I name o Synod c. 138. Zon. tom 3. pag. 84. the generall Councell of Constantinople vnder Leo Isaurus against Images p Illyric catal test tom 1. pag. 633. and Clemens Scotus and Adelbartus who preached against the supremacie traditions images in the defence of Priests mariage also against Purgatory and Masses for the dead and were therfore persecuted by Zachary the Pope which is the reason why in some histories they are so hardly censured 24 After 750. to 800 I name q Zon. tom 3. pag. 88. Synod c. 141. the Councell of Constantinople vnder Constantinus Copronymus and r Rhegino chro l. 2. of Franckford vnder Charles the great against images and the booke yet extant that he caused to be made against the second Nicene Councell with another set forth by Ludouicus his sonne to the same effect both which are to be seene at this day 25 After 800. to 850 I name Ioannes Scotus a great learned man Å¿ Danae resp de Euchar. l. 1. c. 1. who resisting the reall presence which in that time some priuate men began to set on foote was therefore murdered The same time Bertram also writ against it whose booke is extant Trâ—heinius t Catal. script saith of him that he was a man very skilfull in the Scriptures exceedingly learned and of a holy life u Ionas Aurel. de cult imag Claudius the Bishop of Towers in France resisted Images worship of Saints and pilgrimage x Anast vit Pont. in Serg. 2. Lotharius the Emperour reduced the Pope to the obedience of the Empire for which cause he sent three Archbishops twentie Bishops and diuers noble men to Rome who disputed against him and confuted him 26 After 850. to 900 I name Volutianus a Bishop that wrote to Nicolas the first in the defence of Priests mariage y Ep. Nicol ad Michael Michael the Emperour and Phorius the Patriarke of Constantinople resisting the Popes supremacie z Anast in Nicol 1. as also did the Bishop of Rauenna 27 After 900. to 950 and so forward such abuses were noted in the Church of Rome that a Fascic temp pag. 68. an ancient historie mentioning the same complaineth Alas alas Lord God how is gold obscured and the colour changed What offences do we reade to haue happened about these times euen in the holy Apostolicke seate which hitherto with such zeale thou preseruedst What contentions emulations sects enuies ambitions intrusions persecutions O the worst time that euer was wherein the holy failed and truths are diminished from the sonnes of men To the same effect b An. 912. nu 8. writeth Baronius What was then the face of the holy Romane Church how filthy was it when potent and withall base whores bare all the sway at Rome at whose lust seas were changed Bishops were bestowed and that which is horrible to heare and not to be vttered their louers were thrust into Saint Peters chaire In such times as these were the Reader may easily thinke there was matter enough in the Romane Church that deserued resistance As c Osbern vit S. Odonis quem refert Fox in Martyrol pag. 1039. certaine of the English Clergie maintained the Sacrament to be onely a figure of the bodie and bloud of Christ against the reall presence then increasing 28 After 950. to 1000 we haue d Sigon Reg. Ital. l. 7. an 963. Otho the great that deposed Iohn the Pope and assumed into his hands the nominating and making of Popes hereafter which was a manifest resistance made against the growth of the Primacie e Homil. Saxon Aelfr Aelfricus the Archbishop of Canterbury that preached and published his homilies against the reall presence coming in And I name f Refert Baron an 992. nu 22. Arnulphus who in a Synode holden at Rhemes noted the Pope to be Antichrist O Rome saith he to be lamented which to our ancestors yeeldedst shining lights of Fathers in our time sendest monstrous darknes which in the age to come shall be infamous What ô ye reuerend fathers what I say thinke ye him to be which sitteth thus in a loftie throne in purple robes and glittering gold Certainly if he be voide of charitie lifted and puffed vp onely with knowledge he is Antichrist sitting in the temple of God and shewing himselfe as if he were God but if he want both charitie and knowledge then is he an idol and to seeke to him for answer is to enquire of the marble stones 29 After 1000. to 1050 I name Rodulfus Ardeus preaching against g Homil. Dominic in Sept. 18. Dominic post Trin. ho. 1. merits and h 18. Dom Trin. hom 2. abilitie to keepe the law i His l. 2. c. 4. queÌ„ refert Baron Glaber Rodulphus that wrote how the Bishop of Rome should haue nothing to do in another mans Diocesse the which he also saith was the opinion of all the Prelates in France k Baron an 100 4. nu 5. Leuthericus an Archbishop in France denying the reall presence 30 After 1050. to 1100 I name l D.
erre he sitteth in the temple of God and beareth rule farre and neare 34 After 1250. to 1300 I name Å¿ Magd. Cent. 13. c. 5. Gulielmus de S. Amore. withstanding the Friers and their abuses t Crantz Metrop l. 8. c. 16. Refert Illyr Catal. The Preachers in Sweden that publickly taught the Pope and his Bishops to be heretickes u Panor de Iudicijs c. Nouit ille Naucler vol. 2. gen 45. Dante 's the Florentine wrote in a booke that the Empire descended not from the Pope for the which cause after his death they condemned him of heresie About the same time also liued Gulielmus Altisiodorensis an auncient schoolman in whose Summes are found many things confuted that then were coming in and maintained by others the which because I haue partly obserued throughout this my answer by alledging him against the Iesuite I will not now stand to produce 35 After 1300. to 1350 I name Marsilius Patauinus that writ against the Popes supremacie x Defensor pacis in which booke is to be seene the confutation of all such reasons as were made to proue him the head of the Church I name Occham the school-man y Beside his owne workes see Sleid. comment l. 2. Auent annal l. 7. p. 628 Naucl. vol. 2. gen 45. p. 1003. who exceeding vehemently writ against the Popes authoritie ouer Kings a great article of the Romane faith this day in England and Councels z Trithem de Scriptor he told the Emperour that if he would defend him with the sword he again would defend him with the word And as he resisted the Primacie so did he confute many errors now holden by the Church of Rome and confirmeth that which is our faith in not a few points as may be seene in his booke vpon the Sentences I name Gregorius Ariminensis who in his booke vpon the Sentences hath diligently confuted that which is now holden by the church of Rome touching Predestination Originall sinne Freewill the merit of workes and other matters a Illyr catal tom 2. pag. 797. The same time the Vniuersitie of Paris condemned the Popes pardons 36 After 1350. to 1400 I name Aluarus Pelagius who wrote a booke b De Planctu ecclesiae of the lamentation of the Church wherein he reproueth diuers abuses of his time c Fox acts and mon. pag. 38â— And Mountziger who in the Vniuersitie of Vlms openly disputed against Transubstantiation and adoration of the Sacrament I name Michael Cesenas d Illyr catal tom 2. who said the Pope was Antichrist and Rome Babylon and held there were two Churches one of the wicked wherein the Pope raigned which was a florishing Church the other of the godly an afflicted Church and he complained that the truth was almost extinguished The same time also liued Iohn Wickliffe and infinite more with him in England whom in that time they called Lolards resisting Papistry to the shedding of their bloud 37 After 1400. to 1450 I name againe the Lolards in England as Puruey Badby Thorp Browne Beuerly and the rest that were persecuted at that time I name Chaucer who expresly e Plowmans tale writ the Pope and his Clergie to be Antichrist The same time Nilus wrote his booke against Purgatory and the Popes supremacie and Iohn Hus Ierome of Prage and the Churches in Bohemia notoriously resisted the Papacie f Naucler vol. 2 gen 47. p. 1033. Their doctrine was the same with that of the Waldenses 38 After 1450. to 1500 I name Sauonarola the Florentine g Bucholch chronol Naucler vol. 2. gen 51. Illyr catal tom 2. p. 890. who preached that the time was come wherein God would renew his Church that the Church needed reformation he affirmed that the Pope taught not the doctrine of Christ he maintained the communion vnder both kinds and held against traditions iustification by workes and the Popes supremacie The same time Wesselus Groningensis and Ioannes de Vesalia were famous for holding against merits freewill traditions pardons shrift fasting dayes pilgrimages extreme vnction confirmation and the primacie In England also and Bohemia liued those which followed the doctrine of Wickliffe and Hus continuing the same till Luther 39 And when 1500. yeares were expired arose Luther Zuinglius Tindall and diuers others whom God raised vp to call his people out of Babylon who you see were not the first that misliked the Papacie many in all ages grudging at it before them and the reformation which they brought in was wished for and desired long before 40 And touching the catalogue that I haue set downe I warne the Reader of two things Note first that I haue not set downe all either that liued or are recorded in the seuerall ages nominated but onely some few for example to answer the Iesuites demaund by which few you may easily gather there were many more when so learned men neuer vse to want partakers howsoeuer the tyrannie and oppression of their aduerse part may keepe them vnder Next my meaning is not to iustifie euery one that I haue named to haue bene free from error and a ful Protestant in euery point though many were so in euery point fundamentall but onely to shew that the Papacie in all ages was resisted as it came forward which the Iesuite denieth If it be replied that these persons were hereticks condemned by the Church I answer first the Iesuite biddeth vs name who resisted Rome were all asleepe none to obserue the change c. and I name these whereunto it is no sufficient answer to say they were heretickes because it vpholdeth not the question and one hereticke may be able to detect another and the Iesuite should not make his chalenge so broade as to say No mention is made in any story of such an alteration Next it cannot be proued that these were heretickes For one part of them is the Greeke Church another part is some ancient Diuines of their owne Church a third part is such as the Romane Church persecuted The second are sound and lawfull witnesses being the true Church of God to this day though polluted with some errors The second though Papists in many points yet shew against al exception those points wherein they were no Papists to haue bene no part of the Catholicke faith so called in their time for then they would not haue resisted them but embrace them as they do all the rest The third part I grant the Church of Rome then persecuted and now calleth hereticks but that is the question whether they or their persecutors were the essentiall parts of the Church this must be decided by the Scriptures onely For our aduersaries say they are the true Church and proue it by their antiquitie without resistance both which we deny shewing the contrary in the precedent catologue which catologue when they will disproue againe by replying the men contained therein were condemned for heretickes by the Romane
dead the signe of the crosse the opinion of freewill at the first coming in were so farre from being applyed to those vile purposes whereto the Church of Rome now bendeth them that they might endure them and we refuse them and yet be both of one religion 5 But why doth the Iesuite assume adoration and images for examples of that which came in without controllement was he disposed thus to prostitute his owne cause was there no example he could make choise of but these when the world neuer knew any innouation more famously and visibly noted then these Did not a Can. 36. the Elibertine Councell and b Epist ad Ioan. Epiphanius sufficiently point at the coming in of Images And when the Nicen Councell had allowed them to be worshipped did not Charles the great in a generall Councell of three hundred Bishops holden at Frankford abrogate the decrees of Nice againe and writ a booke against them And did not c An. 794. nu 39 by Baronius his owne confession the most learned men and famous of that age speake against the Nicen Councell Walafridus Strabo Ionas the Archbishop of Orleance Hincmarus the Archbishop of Rhemes yea another whole Synode vnder Lewis the first I know he excuseth it and d Geneb chronol an 744. Bellar. â—mag c. 14. others with him by this that the Councels of Frankford and Paris and these learned men did mistake the definition of the Nicen Councell but this is a bankrupt shift confuted by e Suar. tom 1. d. 54. sect 3. Vasqu adorat l. 2. nu 228. as learned of their owne side as themselues And therefore the Protestants condemning the worship of images follow the ancient Church that resisted it 6 And wheÌ„ we say the vse of images in the Church of Rome is idolatry and that the Papists worship stockes and stones as the Painims did this is neither ignorantly nor maliciously spoken Not maliciously though merily for f Adâ— valen c. 6 Tertullian saith touching such like absurdities of the Valentinian hereticks the matter it self somtime requireth that we laugh at it Many things deserue to be conuinced that with our graue doing therof we seeme not to reuerence them Vanitie and mirth are neare sib Let the truth laugh because she is ioyfull and iest with her aduersaries because she is secure that when we say merrily the Papists worship stockes and stones our words be not taken as vttered in malice And we speake not ignorantly but know what we say and can giue a reason for it For g Exod. 20.4 Deut. 4 15. Rom. 1.23 to erect and worship images of the inuisible God is idolatrie or if that be denied yet vnlawfull by h Duran 3. d. 9. q. 2. ad 4. Peres de tradit part 3 pag. 222. the confession of learned Papists themselues though i Bell. imag c. 8. the Church of Rome now vse it 7 Againe I thinke no Papist will deny but his crosse and crucifixe for example is a stocke or a stone or such a like mettall and yet the Iesuites say k Coster Ench. that all the honour that is due to the samplar is giuen to the image l Bell. imag c. 22 and it is so giuen that the image staieth and limiteth it in it selfe as it is an image and not onely as it representeth the samplar m Greg. Val. tom 4. 345. themselues after their maner being properly * Terminus the compasse of the worship though not of themselues but in respect of the samplar and thus the images of Christ must be adored with diuine honour per aliud The which is now the current doctrine of the Church of Rome saue that n Bell. imag c. 22. Suar. tom 1. d. 54. sect 4. some wiser then other some and possible their conscience checking them thinke it no wholesome forme of words for the pulpit Againe in the Masse-book is a praier to the crosse All haile ô crosse our onely hope c. Wherein some things being spoken which can be meant of nothing but the very wood it selfe as this Thou onely wert worthy to beare the ransome of the world ô faithfull crosse only thou art the noble tree among all it is plaine that euen a blocke and a stocke is adored with Gods honor as was vsed among the Painims For euen they in much of their idolatrie did no more in that many of their idols were the image of the true God and so reputed and worshipped by them respectiuely o Act. 17.23 and with relation to God For p Baâ—o an 52. nu 9. Peres tradit part 3. pag. 225. the altar at Athens was dedicated to p Baâ—o an 52. nu 9. Peres tradit part 3. pag. 225. the same God whom Paul preached and it is the profession of q Dion Chrys ser 12. Olymp. Sozo l. 7. c. 15. Athenag Leg. pag. 20 the learned Gentiles that their images were dedicated to the true God the author of life and giuer of all good things the common Father and Sauiour of mankind whom in those images they worshipped reputing the images themselues but stockes and stones Seneca r Qu. natural l. 2. c. 45. saith By Iupiter standing in the Capitoll with lightning in his hand they vnderstand the Preseruer and Gouernor of all things the Soule and Spirit the Master and Maker of all the world to whom euery name agreeth Few or none among them Å¿ Vbi supra saith Peresius thought the matter of their idols so grauen to be Gods They had many idols whereby they represented the true God Yea t Ortho. expl l. 3. pag. 289. saith Andradius many among them vehemently abhorred the multitude of gods and in their mind and thought religiously worshipped that one God whom with daily meditation and all the power of their mind they sought in him they put all their hope him they alwaies studied to please With this conceit the Painims worshipped their images u Rom. 1.23 and yet are condeÌ„ned of idolatrie Now I assume But the Papists do the very same in the worship of their images acknowledging them indeed to be but images of God and his Saints but yet worshipping theÌ„ as much as the Gentiles did theirs The Papists therefore in the vse of their images commit idolatry and worship stocks and stones as the Gentiles did 8 But the Iesuite needeth not take this vnkindly For his x Vasqu adora l. 3. disp 1. c. 2. 3. Iesuites write that not an image onely or a holy thing may be worshipped with the same adoration that is giuen to God but euen any other thing in the world whether liuing or without life As for example an Angell a man the Sunne Moone and Starres the earth yea * Ipso ligno Lapides de modulo straminis a stocke a stone or a little straw that the Iesuite no longer scorne the imputation of worshipping stockes and stones Yea Cornelius Agrippa
on the South or the sea and Aethiopia the ninetie seuenth of the Patriarkes the successor of Saint Marke the Euangelist Wherein we see the outward succession to remaine in that Church as entire as it doth in Rome and yet the Iesuite will not grant the same and such as communicate with it to be the true Apostolike Church that hath the true faith 3 And touching this outward succession because it is so much stood vpon I say it is not so entire as is pretended but certaine things may be obiected against it which are sufficient to take it way and plainly proue it to haue bene interrupted The which for the satisfaction of such as are desirous to looke into this matter I will briefly set downe in the digression ensuing Digression 53. Obiecting seuen things against the succession of Popes in the Sea of Rome whereby the same is clearely demonstrated to haue bene interrupted and not to be any certaine or infallible succession 4 First I haue shewed Digression 29. nu 38. that our aduersaries themselues haue no diuine authoritie but onely such as resteth vpon vncertaine proofs to conuince that the Bishop of Rome rather then of Antioch for example is Saint Peters successor For allow them that Peter himselfe was Bishop of Rome and appointed his successor to be the head of his Church after his death which he neuer did yet is there no infallible certaintie that this successor is the Pope Canus f Loc. l. 6. c. 8. saith it is proued but either by history or tradition and g Alphons haeres l. 1. c. 9. another learned Papist coÌ„cludeth that no man is bound to beleeue this or that Pope to be Saint Peters successor The which vncertaintie sheweth the succession of the Present Pope or any other before him to be indemonstrable 5 Secondly supposing Peter were Bishop of Rome yet there is no certaintie who succeeded him and one another a good while after h Euseb châ—on an 70. Opt. l. 2. Some say Linus succeeded Peter i Hier. script eccl in Clem. c. 52. in Esa Marian Scot an 71 Some Clemens k Refert Baro. an 69. Some that neither but Cletus l 8. q. 1. Si Petr. Maria Scot. an 71. Luit prand vit Pont. in Clem. Others say Linus and Cletus were Bishops vnder Peter in his life time but had no power of binding and loosing m Disputat hoc mundus quartus fucritne secundus Gab. lect 32. Touching Clemens all things are vncertaine n Fra. Agricol de primat Some lay the succession thus Linus Clemens Cletus Anacletus o Baro. ann 69. n. 42. Some thus Linus Cletus Clemens Anacletus p Tertull. carm l. 3. Some thus Linus Cletus Anacletus Clemens q Onuph annot ad Clem. Some thus Clemens Cletus Anacletus leauing out Linus r Optat. l. 2. Aug. ep 165. Some thus Linus Clemens Anacletus Euaristus leauing out Cletus Some thus Linus Cletus Clemens Euaristus leauing out Anacletus Here we see all things are intricate and no certaintie can be had The like may be obserued in the lower parts of the succession following 6 Thirdly the Sea hath bene voide a good space together without any Pope at all Å¿ Baro. an 53. n. 28. Ann. 253. vpon the death of Fabian it was voide one yeare and some moneths t Anastas in Honor. Anno 638. when Honorius died it was void one yeare seuen moneths and seuenteene daies Ann. 682. u Anastas in Agatho vpon the death of Agatho it was void one yeare seuen moneths and fiue daies Ann. 767. x Anastas in Paul vpon the death of Paul it was void one yeare and a moneth Baronius y An. 853. n. 63. saith It hath fallen out that it hath bene void above two yeares and fiue moneths the election hauing bene delaied through contention z Suppur ann 296. And in Martinus Polonus it is noted in the margent that the Papacy ceassed seuen yeares six moneths and fifteene daies These vacations cannot be denied and therefore the succession hath bene interrupted because at that time the supposed Head that should succeed was wanting 7 Fourthly about the yeare 850 a woman succeeded that in the habit of a man continued Pope two yeares and fiue moneths vntill being gotten with child she died in trauell in the open streets as she went on procession This is recorded by so many a Marian Scot. an 854. Martin Polo an 855. Palmer Floren. an 854. Sigeb an 854. Laoâ—ic Chalcocondyl reb Tuâ—c l 6 p. 411. Anton. hist part 2. tiâ— 16 c. 1. §. 7. Coel. Rho digni lect antiqu l. 8. c. 1. Historiographers and all Papists them selues some few excepted that receiued it froÌ„ them that now it is too late for the Iesuites to controll it And I care not though Anastasius that liued in Rome the same time wheÌ„ this was and writ the Popes liues mentioneth it not in his booke b Onuph annot Ioan. 8. Bell. Ro. Pont. l. 3 c. vlt. Baron ann 85â— n. 64. which is the best argument our aduersaries haue against it For Anastasius his booke is of small credit with themselues c Praefat. ad lecto He that put it foorth saith himselfe that it is a question among the learned whether this Anastasius be the true author of all the liues contained in the booke For Platina Trithemius and Onuphrius and others thinke Damasus writ their liues that were from S. Peter to himselfe Which being true then it is not certaine that Anastasius liuing in Rome when Ioan should be Pope wrote euery thing in that booke He saith that by reason of the often contradictions contained in the booke Baronius suspecteth it was coÌ„piled by more writers then one by two at least He saith many things are affirmed contrary to the truth which can be proued by the testimony of no graue or ancient author many slips in Chronagraphy are therin and many things repugnant and not agreeing together in many places other men haue added or detracted He saith it may not be denied that in the copy there are places so intricate that there is no hope to get out And he confesseth that after the life of Hadrian the second the liues of three Popes are omitted that went betweene him and Stephen the sixth as the life of Ioan is omitted that should haue gone betweene the liues of Leo the fourth and Bennet the third Yea d an 739. n. 6. Baronius in his owne fauour can espy that many things are fouÌ„d in others which Anastasius hath omitted but we are whooped at for saying so thogh we bring the testimony of e Martin Polo Sigeb Palmer Florent Fascic temp Anton. Volateran diuers authors that say she was put not in the catologue of Popes for the turpitude of the thing which might be the reason why Anastasius or others mention not the story For what should the Popes Library keeper do writing her
Church though no man deny but that is needfull for the shewing and teaching of the rule to all that shall be saued expounding the said teaching of the ministerie wherby the faithfull are directed in the Church But he hath not proued the Church to be alway visible to the world nor those foure to be the Notes of the Church He hath said it but not proued it as appeareth by my answer 2 All which being considered his demands are soone and shortly answered that the Protestants admit the authority and doctrine of the Church though they thinke not the Papacie to be it nor the authoritie thereof to be aboue the Scripture And the grounds wherupon they perswade themselues to haue the sauing faith are so infallible that all the Papists in the world cannot cōfute them And our title to the true Church is sound when our aduersaries haue smattered and wrangled against it what they can for the doctrine of the Scripture which in all points we professe beleeue proue it And albeit those foure One Holy Catholicke and Apostolicke be not the markes of the Church but certaine qualities therein yet we haue them at least for anie thing the Iesuite hath said to the contrarie all whose discourse against vs pretending the want of these things among vs I haue fully answered in their proper places and retorted vpon himselfe whereby the iudicious reader may be satisfied And therefore when we say ours is the true faith we brag not but maintaine and auouch our lawfull title since as S. Austin saith the same is not to be found but in the bellie of the true Church which we are Whereupon we aduise all Papists whatsoeuer to renounce the Papacie if they will hold the truth and be saued For according to the saying of the same Austin afore-cited whosoeuer is separated from this bellie of the Church must needs speake false because out of the true Church there is neither true preaching nor lawfull sending such as should preach and I haue manifestly shewed that the Papacie is not the true Church but a disease that by the faction of some grew vnto it 3 Thus the whole discourse of this Section is briefly answered But where he saith our religion sprang vp of late the first founder being Martin Luther an apostata Frier a man knowne by his writings words deeds and death to haue bene a notable euill liuer this must be a little more stood vpon because it is the burden of euery song among the Papists And first it is to no purpose to say our religion sprang vp of late in Luther vnlesse our euidence whereby we shew it to agree with the Scripture and to haue bene taught in the Church of Rome it selfe many hundred yeares afore Luther was borne can be disproued Next we graunt Luther was a Frier and obtaining the knowledge of the truth renounced the profession which was no other apostasie or fault in him then it was in S. Paule when he renounced the profession of a Pharisee and became an Apostle both the professions being hypocrisie saue that of the Frier was of a deeper tincture as I haue shewed Digress 45. Then concerning his writings the Iesuite is no competent iudge For woe to him and all his Church if Luthers writings be good And therefore let them be examined by the Scripture the touchstone of all mens writings not by the witles preiudice of idle companions that neuer read them And if they containe some particular things that deserue reproofe yet what disgrace is that to the substance of his writings What fathers writing is so pure but it containeth some error Yea I challenge the Iesuit let him name if he can one writer of his owne side old or new Schooleman or Iesuite but some or other in the Church of Rome will except against something he writ Thomas Caietan Bellarmine and Baronius are controlled yea in the later editions the Councell of Trent hath purged in a manner all writers which maketh it cleare that some errors in Luthers bookes disaduantage vs no more then the errors purged and espied in their owne books disaduantage the Papists And yet the things that are most excepted against are no errors but the ancient truth maintained against Popish innouation And let the words of Erasmus a man able to iudge by a Antididag p. 58. Sur. cōment p. 288. Staplet discours p. 159. the Papists owne confession determine this matter b Epist ad Cardin Mogent He saith It is obserued of a truth that these men the Papists condemne many things in Luthers bookes as hereticall which in Austin and Bernard are read for godly and good Diuinity and he addeth That he seeth this the best men are least offended at his writings The which is most true it being their ordinary practise for the hatred of our persons to raile vpon that which by their owne confession the ancient fathers held before vs. So c Hosiand hist eccl cent 16. p. 837 Andreas Masius in the company of diuers acknowledged there was more Diuinitie in one page of Luther then sometimes in a whole booke of some father Let his writing therefore rest and come to his life and death Digression 54. Containing a briefe narration touching the life and death of Martin Luther with the incredible reports thereof made by his aduersaries And shewing how sundry Popes in the Church of Rome haue liued and died worse then he supposing all reports were true 4 In speaking of this matter that standeth altogether vpon witnesses I must put the reader in mind of a speech of Bellarmines d Not. eecl c. 14. §. Sed respondeamus That it is the part of a foole rather to beleeue Caluin and Illyricus touching ancient histories whereat they were not present then Bernard Bonauenture and Antonine that were present Let this law be kept then that Surius Lindan Pontacus and other railing Papists that were not present at Luthers life and death be not credited against them that liued with him saw him die and if any will beleeue them let him be the Iesuites foole Now touching his life Melancthon that was his companion and liued with him hath written it and commended it to say no more And Erasmus that was familiar with him e L. 11. Ep. 1. ad Card. Eborac in a certain Epistle to Cardinall Wolsey giueth testimony that his life was approued with great consent of all men And this saith he is no small preiudice that the integritie of his manners is so great that his verie enemies can finde nothing which they may calumniate As indeed to this day nothing can be produced against him that is substantiall They clamour of his doctrine because it was against them and produce some vehement speeches which his aduersaries by their iniuries prouoked him vnto as Saint Hierome often times vseth the like vehemency but what is that to his conuersation Let them shew his life to haue bene led otherwise then became
in the sence of the Scripture nu 4 7. Digress 10. How a man may be certaine which is the right sence n. 7 8 12. Why many vnderstand not the Scripture Digress 10. and 14. and § 10.1 How the easinesse of the Scripture is proued 8.16 They haue the outward authoritie wherupon our faith is built Digress 11. how we know them to be Gods word Digress 11. and 12. They coÌ„taine all things needfull 9.1 The Papists say the sence of the Scripture altereth with the time 9.11 Horrible behauiour of the Papists gainst the Scriptures Digress 22. Shrift See Auricular confession Sinne. How God willeth it 40.50 Our vprising from sin is by grace our owne will not disposing thereunto 40.63 The Papists haue no certainty what power the Priest hath in remitting sinne Digress 55. We do not say all that we do is sin Digress 37. Our doctrine touching the sinfulnes cleauing to our good workes maketh not men carelesse 40.25 Sinne mortall and venial an vntrue distinction Digress 38. How the Papists hold it ib. They agree not in it ibid. Succession Wherein true succession standeth 52.1 3. How the Protestants doctrine hath succeeded 52.4 How the father 's insisted vpon succession 53. and 56. It is no note of the Church 54.1 True faith how ioyned with succession and how not 54.2 The Succession of the Romane Church proueth it not the true Church 55 2. The Greekes haue as good succession as the Romanes ibid. The Romish Church hath no true outward succession Digress 53. Such succession as the Papists meane is not needfull 58 2. Supremacy of the Pope against the first antiquitie 35.10 47.6 The Papists agree not in it 35.20 The Popes Supremacy dependeth on a point that can neuer be proued 36.24 The Primitiue Church acknowledged it not Digress 27. Phocas gaue it to Boniface 36.31 When it began ouer Bishops and kings 50.9 T TEmptation may be ouercome without Gods grace as the Papists vntruly say 40.58 Traditions made equall to Scripture 1.3 Yea preferred before it 1.2 In marg k. and 5.8 Translation of the Scripture forbidden by the Church of Rome 1.3 How translations are Gods word it selfe and the rule of faith 5.2 and how our faith relieth on them ibid The Scripture ought to be translated and read of all Digress 5. The Papists disdaine this 5.11 How our English translations may be called erronious and how not 6.2 How we know our English translation to be the infallible word of God 6.3 8. The amending or changing of our translation is no discredit to it 6.6 The Hebrew and Greeke originals are free from error 6.11 Transubstantiation a new doctrine 35.12 and 47.8 The Papists haue no certaintie of it 47.9 Treasury of the Church whence pardon arise not agreed vpon what it should be 40 34. Trent Councell what kind of Councell and the proceeding thereof Digress 20. V VAcancies of the Roman Sea 55.6 Veniall sinne what 40 â—6 Some Papists deny any sinne to be venial num 27. How done away ibid. Visiblenes of the Church See Church Vnitie of the Church wherein it properly consisteth 33.1 The true Church may be without outward vnitie n. 2. It is soÌ„time grieuously violated in the Church Digress 21. No vnitie in the Romane Church 35.1 Digress 24. What kind of vnitie the Papists haue in their Church 35.2 Vniuersalitie of the Church how to be expounded 44.2 Vniuersalitie of the Romish Church disproued 46.2 Our faith is vniuerâ—â—â—l in Time Place and Doctrine 44. Vprising from sinne is by Grace without the disposing of the will thereto 40.63 Vulgar translation of the Bible which the Papists vse canonized by the Trent Councell 6.11 Exceedingly corrupt Digress 7. W WAfers when brought into the Sacrament 50.31 Waldenses and their opinions 50.32 Woman Pope 55.7 Word of God See Scriptures The Papists by Gods word meane Traditions as wel as the writteÌ„ word 1.3 Workes See Good works and Merit and Satisfaction The Church of Rome ioyneth our workes with Christs merits iointly to satisfie therewith 40.29 GOod Reader it may fall out that in the margent of this booke specially some faults are escaped in the printing by mistaking or misplacing the figures other parts of the quotation Which is no maruel in quotations of this nature where many figures go together And I my selfe being aboue 100. miles from the presse that I could not helpe it Neuerthelesse I will maintaine the quotation for substance to be true though the Printer may haue mistaken it and learned men that will take so much pains may find that which I intend I doubt not by their owne knowledge of the place if the numbers of the quotation deceiue them I know not whether there be any such defects yet or noâ— but this I admonish because the Papists if they find an error in the printing of one of our bookes vse to exclame as if an article of our faith were razed out neuer remembring the like casualties of their own It is one thing if I haue wilfully forged or falsified a place and another thing if the Printer onely haue mistaken the quotation The latter may be but the former is not as I will be ready to satisfie any that will charge me with it FINIS