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disparagement_n to_o his_o monastical_a institute_n that_o his_o monk_n shall_v not_o contend_v to_o excel_v other_o in_o holy_a order_n but_o in_o holy_a manner_n consider_v that_o the_o promotion_n to_o order_n make_v not_o a_o monk_n but_o abjection_n and_o vilify_n of_o one_o self_n labour_n silence_n discipline_n rest_n religion_n and_o in_o his_o 99_o chapter_n habeant_fw-la sibi_fw-la matorem_fw-la monachi_fw-la sanctitatem_fw-la relinquentes_fw-la clericis_fw-la maiorem_fw-la humiliter_fw-la dignitatem_fw-la let_v monk_n keep_v to_o themselves_o great_a sanctity_n leave_v humble_o to_o clergy_n man_n great_a dignity_n and_o in_o his_o 98._o and_o 97._o chapter_n 462._o pag._n 462._o he_o say_v that_o s._n hierome_n do_v therefore_o invite_v heliod_n paulinus_n and_o rusticus_n to_o be_v monk_n not_o because_o he_o think_v more_o base_o of_o the_o clergy_n but_o because_o he_o esteem_v their_o state_n as_o more_o worthy_a so_o not_o so_o secur_v and_o therefore_o say_v