Looke beyond Luther OR AN ANSWERE TO THAT QVESTION SO OFTEN AND SO INSVLTINGLY PROPOSED BY our Aduersaries asking vs Where this our Religion was before Luthers time WHERETO ARE ADDED SOVND PROPS TO BEARE vp honest-hearted Protestants that they fall not from their sauing-faith BY RICHARD BERNARD OF Batcombe in Sommersetshire LONDON Imprinted by Felix Kyngston and are to be sold by Edmund Weauer at his shop at the great North-doore of Pauls 1623. TO THE RIGHT WORSHIPFVLL Sir WALTER ERLE Sir CLEMENT COTTEREL KNIGHTS And to their vertuous Ladies euersoundnesse of Faith with the power of Religion and constancie in both most heartie wished Right Worshipfull I Should maruell to see any once professing the truth to turne from the light vnto darkenes from the true Worship and Religion of Christ to the superstition and idolatrie of Antichrist but that I read that our first Parents beleeued Satan before God that men loue darkenesse more then the light and that fornot louing the truth and delighting in vnrighteousnesse God giueth such ouer to beleeue lyes that they may bee damned Could it else otherwise be that so many in this so cleare light of Gods Gospel should fall away What haue our aduersaries now more to pleade for their cause then heretofore they haue had What can they now say which is not alreadie fully answered by our learned men They put out indeed new bookes new in regard of the writing and printing but the reasons one and the same in older written and printed bookes this is in shew a putting of more strength to vphold their ruinous building but not in substance yet thus they beguile the simple and vnstable-minded By many waies they seeke to deceiue and beguile people but especially by accusing our Religion of falshood and nouelty and affirming theirs to bee the true and most ancient faith in both which they speake very vntruely For touching this their present Religion as it differeth from ours and as it is Popery it is but a new vpstart Religion a patcherie of Iudaisme Paganisme and Heresie a Religion deuised by men and not hauing God for the Author How farre our Religion is from falshood and noueltie I haue here indeuoured to shew answering to that question so often propounded Where it was before Luthers time If any of our aduersaries or all of them together dare to goe plainely to worke for hitherto they haue not and first set downe ours and their accord wherein and how farre we and they in euery thing doe agree to cut off hereby all needlesse strife and contentions Secondly then truely and faithfully without equiuocall termes to deliuer their distinct differences from vs that so euery one may rightly discerne whereabout we do contend and what indeede their now present Religion is which we call Popery bing seuered from our common agreement Thirdly to bring these their differences to the due triall of Scriptures the common principles of Christianitie and the true writings of the ancient Fathers in the first Ages then will it clearely appeare to euery one of indifferent iudgement whether ours or theirs be the true Religion and whether ours or theirs be the false Church In the meane space till they proceede thus vprightly and sincerely I hope no Protestant in earnest will be insnared and catched by their deceites Let such as in the plentifull meanes of knowledge wilfully liue in ignorance or hauing knowledge liue lewdly without feare of God loue of truth and power of Religion be the prey for craftie Foxes for these be the fittest subiects for them to worke vpon and these only preuaile they with receiuing a iust punishment for their contempt of sauing knowledge or for their consciencelesse liuing contrary to their knowledge For there is no man of right vnderstanding and that makes conscience of his waies louing the truth walking humbly before his God being acquainted with Gods Word and praying for Gods direction that God either will giue ouer or that can in reason submit vnto this false Antichristian Church if he doe but seriously consider of such things as will worke if not an absolute condemnation yet a most iust suspition of her to be naught as first the vilifying of holy Scriptures locking them vp from the common people as if Gods Word were infectious Secondly her thrusting vpon the people her feigned traditions all besides and many of them against Scripture Thirdly the absurd and vnreasonablenesse of their Latine Seruice which the people vnderstand not Fourthly their idolatrous praying to Saints worshipping stockes and stones and reliques of the dead Fifthly their grosse conceit of Christs corporall presence in the Sacrament Sixthly the feigned miracles and notable coozenages therin found out here and in other Countries the boasting of them a farre off but not able to worke the like among vs. Seuenthly the shamelesse grosse belying of our doctrine and slandring the liues of our learned men as Luther Caluin Beza and others Eighthly the citing in defence of their Religion counterfeit Authors so knowne to be and so condemned to be by the learned on their owne side Ninthly the not permitting freely our bookes among them as wee doe theirs among vs. Tenthly the tying of the people to the Priests lippes and not permitting them to trie their doctrine as we doe The vniust curses dissembling practices and mercilesse cruelties vsed to vphold their Religion swearing for swearing by equiuocations ment all reseruations and Popes dispensations massacres and powder-plots and bloodie persecutions Twelfthly The auoyding of a free generall Councell to heare and determine our differences Who is he that shall consider of these things with iudgement but will suspect this Romish Church to be none of Christs Church if withal he adde hereto the consideration of the differences betweene the wisedome below by which that seate is guided which is earthly naturall sensuall deuilish and the wisdom from aboue by which Christs Church is guided which is pure peaceable gentle easie to be intreated full of mercy and good fruits without partiality and without hypocrisie as Saint Iames writeth I doubt not but that you haue already considered of these premisses and that you are resolued that this is the true Religion and the good way wherein you walke euen the ancient Catholike and Apostolike veritie grounded vpon Scripture and the principles of Christianitie taught by the holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church and confirmed by the blood of blessed Martyrs My desire is that God would continue your loue with encrease of zeale towards the same more and more To this purpose are these my endeuors which I present vnto you praying your fauourable acceptance of my good meaning and hearty wel-wishes and worthie respect vnto your selues and to all that wish well to Sion and pray for the peace of Ierusalem God let them and you with yours to prosper which loue it Amen Your Worships in all Christian seruices to be commanded Richard Bernard Batcombe Sept. 26. Looke beyond Luther OR AN ANSWERE
TO THAT QVESTION SO often and so insultingly proposed by our Aduersaries asking vs Where this our Religion was before Luthers time IT is a common question and often propounded by Papists in an insulting manner ouer vs Where our Religion was before Luthers time As though wee could not answere to the demand nor fetch our Religion from any more ancient or better Author but they are deceiued in both And that I may not be tedious in prefacing I answer I. It was and is written and contained in the holy Scriptures the Canonicall Books of the old and new Testament II. The same hath been and is written in the hearts of Gods people such as the Lord from time to time effectually hath called according to euerie mans measure as they haue bin taught it and learned it out of those books of holy Scripture For this must we know that no other doctrine of Christian Religion was or is written in mens hearts by Gods Spirit then that which the same Spirit inspired the Pen-men of the Scriptures to write in those Bookes The necessarie truths of doctrine therein contained as God had promised hath he written in the hearts of his people Ier. 31.33 34. 2. Cor. 3.3 And for these ends that they might know God and know him to be their God and they his people Ier. 31.33 34. that they might make profession thereof and obediently set themselues to the practice of that his blessed will Ezech. 11.19 20. 36.26 27. III. That it was also written in learned mens labours agreeing with those holy Bookes as they found the truth therein taught vnto them by the Prophets and Apostles So as the doctrine of our Religion is no other then that which the Scriptures doe teach the Church and true People of God haue beleeued and professed nor no other then that which is to be found in the writings of y e holy ancient Fathers and of learned men before euer Luther was borne That our Religion was thus before Luthers time I proue by these ensuing reasons I. Argument From holy Scriptures wherein our Religion is written and taught in euery point THat Religion which is in all and euerie point thereof written and prescribed in holy Scriptures the Canonical books of the old and new Testament was before Luthers time For the Scriptures were written many hundred yeeres before Luther was in beeing and the Pen-men thereof had a care to practise the same But this our present Religion in all and euerie point thereof wherein we differ from our Aduersaries is written and prescribed in the holy Scriptures the Canonicall bookes of the old and new Testament as is in euery particular point prooued exactly by those of our side And therefore was it before Luthers time The Minor I thus prooue I. By the publike Records of our Church here at home as the publike authorized Catechisme shorter and larger by the booke of Homilies by the book of Articles and our booke of Common-prayer Out of which wherein soeuer we differ from our Aduersaries nothing is found besides as wanting warrant of Scripture much lesse any thing contrarie thereunto but euery thing grounded vpon and fully agreeing with the same II. By Gods Spirit the Author of the Scriptures which doth further our Religion in the hearts of the people through the reading and interpreting thereof which the Spirit of God would not doe if our Religion were not that which the Scriptures teach For would the Author of the one approue of the other if they were not both one If hee should further a Religion contrarie to the Scripture hee should be contrary to himselfe allowing and making good that in mens hearts by inward operation which he hath disallowed by the Scriptures which are of his diuine inspiration It is euident to all that are read in the Scriptures that they condemne all Heathenish al Heretical and Idolatrous Religion likewise all will-worship all vaine inuentions of men the seruing of God by humane traditions by the precepts and doctrines of men so as if our Religion were any such Gods Spirit would not grace it nor so knit mens harts vnto it nor so effectually worke by it in mens consciences nor so perswade vnto it as he daily doth by the Scriptures If they shall denie that Gods Spirit doth any such thing as we suppose I would faine know of them what other spirit it possibly may be that doth so leade men to esteeme so much the Scriptures doth excite men to the studie of them and to make them the onely rule of doctrine and life to heare belieue rest and delight in them and so to worship God onely as herein he requireth to be worshipped and to reiect whatsoeuer is not warranted by them in euery necessarie point of faith And that onely vpon this perswasion that the Scriptures are Gods word that they are endited by his Spirit and written by his holy Prophets and Apostles If this be not the Spirit of God which doth thus magnifie the holy Scriptures in the heart of euery sound Christian what spirit then is it Certainely it must bee either the Spirit of God or of Man or of the Deuill But neither of these two latter therefore the former I. It is not the spirit of man that can and doth thus worke for first the spirit of man perceiueth not the things of God till Gods Spirit acquaint him with them Secondly they be foolishnesse vnto him Thirdly his wisdome is enmitie with God so as Gods wisdome in diuine mysteries and mans wisdome can neuer agree in one Fourthly the spirit of man sauoureth the things of the flesh and not of the Spirit of God Fifthly his heart is continually euil till he be regenerate Sixthly and lastly it is euidently knowne by too much miserable experience that man loueth not the studie of the Scriptures he cannot delight in them hee cannot away to frame his life after them euery one that hath any sparke of diuine knowledge knoweth this to bee true from his owne naturall corruption both in himselfe and others also Now can any reasonable-minded man thinke that such an auerse spirit as is in man so disaffecting the holy Scriptures and the studie thereof that it can be that Spirit which perswadeth and draweth men contrary to it corrupt selfe to embrace that Religion which is grounded vpon the Scriptures and to presse to the obedience thereof Yea can it bee mans spirit that worketh loue to such a Religion which so opposeth mans corruption as the worldly wise Politician derideth it the pleasurable man hateth it the greedy of gaine cannot abide to bee ruled by it and the haughtie spirit which hunteth after the pride of life hath it in great contempt so as none in very deed but onely such as doe denie themselues doe forsake the world and can bee well contented to take vp their crosse and follow Christ either can or will embrace the same II. It is not the spirit of Satan For although hee
the people vpon the King as a Father to looke to his children to call them to the Faith and Law of Christ and to the holy Church hereby acknowledging the King to bee the supreme Head and Gouernour in all causes aswell Ecclesiasticall as Ciuill and to be Gods Vicar in his owne Realme which title that Bishop twice nameth in that Epistle Thus we see out of this short Epistle what we may thinke of the Religion then at Rome and how agreeing to ours now and differing from theirs at this present The third conuersion for which they magnifie so much this Austin but very falsely was in Gregorie the Great his dayes In which time though many corruptions were crept into the Church of Rome yet the maine points of our differences wherein we differ from this present Romish superstition were then taught in that Church as may appeare out of the writings of Gregorie as he did then teach concerning holy Scriptures the grace of God of Freewill of the Law of iustification of Faith of good Workes also concerning the not worshipping of Images likewise of the acknowledging of the two Sacraments also his iudgement of the Church of the head of the Church of Antichrist of an vniuersall Bishop of secular power ouer Bishops of Marriage of soules departed and whither they went Gregorie was no Patrone of the Romish Masse nor of the corporall and transubstantiated bread nor of merit nor of Papall supremacy nor of temporall iurisdiction ouer Kings and Emperours nor of the necessitie of Ceremonies alike in euery Church Gregorie held not the Machabees canonicall but taught the perfection of Canonicall Scripture he exhorted Lay men to the studie of them and in his time the Scriptures were allowed and prayers were said in a knowne and vulgar tongue he held the Catholike Church to be the elect and the reprobate out of it and was against marriages within degrees forbidden Leuit. 18. Thus we see that at the three conuersions our Religion now and that at Rome then was one and the same Neither can our aduersaries shew the contrary from Scripture from the vniforme consent of ancient Fathers either Greeke or Latine or from generall Councels within those times no nor from the Bishops of Rome themselues for that space if they will make conscience to deale squarely plainly and honestly in their proofes And that they may so doe I would entreate to lay aside first all counterfeite Decretall Epistles such as those be which are ascribed to the Bishops of Rome in the first 300 yeeres as our learned men haue prooued both by reasons and from the testimonie of the learned among them Secondly those partly corrupted and partly also counterfeit Decretall Epistles in the next 300. yeeres Thirdly all the counterfeite and corrupt Canons of Councels Fourthly all the bastard writings put vpon the ancient Fathers Fifthly the places corrupted in any of their writings If they will cast off this great and wicked deceite in alleaging these for themselues the truth of my assertion That this our Religion was then at Rome and not this their present Romish faith will manifestly appeare to all men not wilfully blinded for by and worldly respects Lastly the Christian Religion first planted in Ireland was before Austins comming in hither For as is afore spoken Scottish and Irish Christian Bishops withstood him at his comming But that which was then receiued and professed by the ancient Irish was for substance the very same which is now here in England by publike authoritie maintained as is substantially proued by a godly learned Father in all Antiquities of the Church the Lord Bishop of Meeth to which I referre euery Reader which desireth to bee satisfied in theirs and our agreement about Scripture translations predestination freewill the Law sinne free remission of sins iustification by faith onely imperfection of sanctification merit purgatory and soules departed about Gods worship Images the Masse communicating in both kinds and the mysticall receiuing of the Sacrament That Learned man doth shew how wee and they doe agree in all these things which are the most maine points of faith betwixt our aduersaties and vs. And therefore I conclude from this and all that formerly hath been produced in this fifth Argument that this our present Religion was heere in this Iland before Austines time VI. Argument From God the Author and continuall Preseruer of our Religion against all oppositions THat Religion which is of God was before Luthers time for that which is of God cannot bee ascribed to man nor so new as the late dayes of Luther For the true Religion is the most ancient and this is the good way to be found in the old wayes and not in new inuentions and new by-paths But our Religion is of God which I thus prooue It was taught by the Prophets and Apostles messengers of God the Prophets were sent by him 2. Chron. 36.16 2. King 17.13 Ier. 25.4 by whom God spake Heb. 1.1 and they taught and wrote as the holy Ghost directed them 2. Pet. 1.21 2. Tim. 3.25 The Apostles were sent of God Matth. 10.5 Mark 16.16 Gal. 1.1 12. and spake as God by his Spirit directed them Matth. 10.20 Ioh. 14.26 These were the publishers of our Religion both in the common truthes of our Christianitie as also in the differences from our aduersaries And for proofe wee appeale to the Apostles and Prophets extant writings Our Religion is written in those holy Scriptures the Booke of God as before is prooued It is propagated and preserued by such meanes as be ordained of God of which also before It is receiued beleeued conscience made of it onely by the operation of the Spirit of God It bringeth men to the true knowledge of God to beleeue onely in God to worship onely God onely to honour God and to be ruled onely after the will of God It s onely vpheld and preserued by Gods and not by mans power This will easily bee granted if men consider what weake meanes in mans iudgement hath spred it abroad and brought it into esteeme with such as professe it truly to wit onely preaching praying and constantly suffering in the defence thereof Also the small number and meanenesse of the persons for the most part which haue from the dayes of Iesus Christ made profession thereof and withall the little worldly policy vsed for helpe to support it But on the other side if the enemies thereof be well considered who haue continued from the beginning of the Gospell perpetually endeuouring to vndermine our Religion euery one will yeeld it to be the very hand of God that maintaineth it The multitude of them out of the Church are infinite as Iewes Gentiles Saracens Turkes and a world of other Infidels The Heretikes which haue risen vp and gone out from the true Church and haue laboured to shake the very foundation of our Christian Faith very many The Hypocrites and prophane are too many which professing the same
Aduersaries THat Religion which is to be found in the publike records of the Church of Rome and in the writings of learned men therein from the very first foundation of it vnto this day that was before Luthers time This I hope may passe for current But this our present Religion is such a religion and therfore before Luthers time The Minor if they deny is thus confirmed I. There are amongst them the holy Scriptures which they acknowledge to be the Word of God but by those Scriptures may all our Religion be proued and fully confirmed in any thing wherein we differ from our aduersaries And therefore this our Religion is to be found among them II. There is that which is called The Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed which they professe the Articles whereof we hold and therein is contained the summe of our Faith III. There is the Lords Prayer the paterne of all true Prayers according to which onely we teach how to pray aright and thereafter doe frame our prayers IV. There is the Decalogue and ten Commandements which though defectiuely set downe in their Catechismes the second being left out yet are they wholly set downe in their Bibles which ten Commandements are the summe of our morall obedience and of our duties towards God and our neighbours V. They acknowledge the two Sacraments Baptisme and the Lords Supper both which we doe administer VI. There are common tenents of Christianitie which all Christian Churches haue euer held wherein we they doe fully agree VII There is their Seruice Booke wherein though many abominations are to be found yet in other things it iustifieth our Religion and Seruice As may appeare by comparing our Seruice Booke with it out of which ours was for the substance thereof taken Against which they cannot iustly take exception neither are they able to prooue by Gods Word by the ancient Councels and consent of the ancient Fathers any thing Idolatrous Heretical or any way vnlawfull wherein soeuer it differeth from theirs VIII There may also be found their accord in generall termes with vs in those things wherein for the particulars we and they bee at oddes and doe disagree as Master Perkins giueth instance in one and twenty particulars and the like may be done in many other points IX And lastly there is to be found all and euery point of our Religion particularly wherein wee differ from them which either wee affirme or they deny or we denie and they affrme and the same iustified by the writings of the learned amongst them For proofe hereof I referre the Reader to my Lord of Couentrie and Lichfield his Catholike appeale and Catholike Apologie first and second parts to my Lord of Meeth his booke de Chri. Eccles succes statu to Illyricus his Catalog Test Veritatis to Ioh. Ã Munster his Nobilis Discursus to Doct. Feild his fourth booke of the Church who proueth seuen and twenty particulars of our maine differences out of their owne Writers And if the writings of their learned men doe not iustifie our Religion I would know why they doe not suffer such writings to passe without purging For if such things were not for vs and against them they would not put out nor alter nor so indeed corrupt Authors or inhibite them to passe abroad as they doe which one act of theirs sheweth that our differences might bee prooued euen by their owne Writers if they might decide the controuersies betwixt vs and them Thus we see how our Religion is to be found amongst them not onely in the points wherein wee doe agree but euen in all our particular differences in which wee stand out against the preualent faction of that Church which alwaies hath ouer-borne the truth which by others of more sound iudgement in that Church hath been from time to time published and maintained And therefore this our now present Religion was before Luthers time V. Argument From the beginning of our Religion here before Austin the Monke came to this Iland THat Religion which was here in this Iland of Great Britaine before Austin the Monke came into it that was before Luthers time for this Monke came in many hundred of yeeres before Luther was borne But this our present Religion was here in this Iland of Great Britaine before Austin the Monke came into it Therefore was it before Luthers dayes The Minor I thus prooue I. The Christian Religion taught at Ierusalem by the Apostles and other Disciples of Christ was our Religion as by the first Argument is prooued from the Apostles writings But that same Christian Religion was here taught and that either by some Apostle as Simon Zelotes or some Disciple of Christ as Ioseph of Arimathea as some of our side haue prooued fully and our Aduersaries yeeld vs. Now if that which was taught at Ierusalem was ours then must it needs be ours which Simon Zelotes or Ioseph of Arimathea did here teach at the first planting of it being before Austins time for can any say that these brought from Ierusalem hither any other Religion then the Apostles deliuered there II. That same Religion first taught did continue here in succession from the Apostles dayes and was held at Austins comming as our aduersaries the Apologists do proue and doe take this also for an vndoubted truth that the Britaine 's of Wales receiued the faith of Christ by preaching of the Apostles and held that Faith at Austins comming Now the Faith taught by the Apostles being the same with ours as the holy Scriptures beare witnesse against all gaine-sayers it is cleare by the Apologists proofes and their owne acknowledgement of the continuance thereof from the very beginning that this our present Religion was here in this Iland of Great Britaine before Austins comming III. Here were many which suffered Martyrdome in Dioclesians reigne before Austines dayes but it is prooued before in the second Argument that all the Martyrs of Christ were of our Religion And therefore was that our Religion which was here before Austines time IV. Before Austines comming the Church of Christ here was not subiect to the Romish Church for first they kept not their Easter after the Romish fashion but as the Easterne Churches kept it whence our Religion came Now if they had been of the Romanists tutoring the fierie spirit of Victor who attempted to excommunicate the Easterne Churches would haue compelled the Britains to haue kept their Easter as hee did Secondly they administred Baptisme not after the ceremonious fashion of the Romanists Thirdly they refused to doe what Austin required neither would they acknowledge him their Archbishop though sent from Rome by the Bishop there Fourthly both the Britaines Scots and Irish Bishops so vtterly reiected the Romish Bishops as Bishop Daganus denied all communion with them yea and refused to eate bread with them in the same Inne so little regard had they then to the authoritie either of the Romish Church or