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A13299 A Christian reprofe against contention Wherin is declared and manifested a just defence of the Church against such slanderes and reproches which Sabine Staresmore hath layd vpon vs in his two bookes, the first being 16 questions, called a louing tender. The second is his preface and postscript befor and behind Mr. Answorths last sermon, and making a pretence by that to sett it out as a loue token, hee breetheth out his malice against vs: and lastly her is an answer to a letter written by Mr. Robinson, and sent to vs with the consent of his Church, which now Mr. Staresmore hath published to the world. To these things an answer is giuen by A.T. A. T., fl. 1631.; Thatcher, Anthony, attributed name. 1631 (1631) STC 23605; ESTC S103240 40,101 48

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A CHRISTIAN REPROFE AGAINST CONTENTION Wherin is declared and manifested a just defence of the Church against such slanderes and reproches which Sabine Staresmore hath layd vpon vs in his two bookes the first being 16. Questions called A louing tender The second is his Preface and Postscript befor and behind Mr. Answorths last Sermon and making a pretence by that to sett it out as a loue token hee breatheth out his malice against vs and lastly her is an Answer to a Letter written by Mr. Robinson and sent to vs with the consent of his Church which now Mr. Staresmore hath published to the world To these things an Answer is giuen by A. T. 〈◊〉 us the foxes the little foxes which destroy the vines for our vines haue smale grapes Songes 2. 15. How long halt yee betweene two opinions if the Lord bee God follow him but if Baals bee hee then go after him 1. Kings 18. 21. He that is first in his owne cause is just then commeth his neighbor and maketh inquirie of him Prou. 18. 17. Imprinted in the yeare M. DC XXXI To the Christian Reader CHristian Reader I giue thee to vnderstand Wee haue not been forward to publish to the world these our co●…trouersies and this thou maist take knowledge of because the first of these our opposites books hath been in print so many yeares being printed in the yeare 1623 being 16. Questions of their owne forming in the which wee haue great wronge done vnto vs yet haue wee patiently borne both that and also that which they have printed the last yeare against vs vntell such time wee heard by many witnesses that our long silence hath turned to the hinderance of the trueth and also our owne discredit for diners haue been perswaded through our long silence that wee are most in fault or else wee would haue answered before this time therfore for the trueth sake our owne defence we though it need full to sett o●… this Christian Reprofe vnto these our opposites in the which thou maist see the great injury they doe vnto the trueth and also vnto vs by their vnjust imputations and slanderes which they haue layd vpon vs and althought for our selues wee could haue born these injuries in silence yet for the trueth sake and that none that haue a loue vnto the trueth should be hindered or stomble thereat therefore needfull it is that they should bee informed of the trueth of things as they are in these our troubles which by this short Answer thou mayst take knowledge of And although it consisteth of cōtrouersy which it not so profitable as some more heauenly meditations are yet not withstanding the Lord doth suffer such things to arise for the approuing of such as are faithfull 1. Cor. 11. 18. 19 that the people of God should not ly vpon the b●…d of security Songes the 5. 5. but keepe their Christian watch knowing that Satan seeketh too surprise vs by many meanes wayes 1. Peter 5. 8. Act. 20. 31. for when he can not retaine vs in the broad wayes of the world then will he send out the s●…oods of his persecutions to see if hee can swallow vs vp in it Reu. 12. 15. but when hee is restrained frō his purpose by the Lord then will hee seek to ouerthrow vs by his ministers whom hee seduceth euen in the Church of God so turne thē into shape as if they were the ministers of righteousnesse 2. Cor. 15. Act. 20. 29. 30. And of these things gentle Reader haue wee had our portion diuers of vs hauing been persecuted by inprisonment and many till death did insue others banneshed some loosing their right inheiritāce and must leaue it and be exsiled yet these troubles are not so dangerous nor yet so greuious vnto a sincere conscience as seducers which a●…se in the true Church and many that haue gone through persecutions yet haue been ouertaken by seducers drawne away frō the true way of God yet this is no new thing as thou mayst see by those Scripturs before alledged and as it was with the Churches of God of old so is it at this present time with vs for wee hauing gone through many persecutions so haue wee had our part of trialls by decliners seducers and these our opposites hath greatly troubled vs with their errour some they hath corrupted their with others they haue so incumbered their mindes that they dayly trouble vs with Contention and to bring their porposes about they came most Lords dayes diuers years troubled vs with great desturbance many haue been the prouocations which they haue vsed towards vs to prouoke vs so that wee may truely say that as Paule had fought with beast at Ephesus so haue wee at Amsterdam fought with men of a beast-like conditiō 1. Cor. 15. 32. although I could say mor in these things yet for the present I spare to see if the Lord will worke vpō their hearts by this Christian Reprofe which if it take not effect but that they goe on to striue against the trueth the Lord can giue a fit opportunity that their deedes may be fully layd open cōcerning these things in question And now Christian Reader take thou heed that thou stomble not at these things to forsake the trueth for these things ought not to bee strange vnto thee seeing the Apostells of Christ hath fortolde of these things Act. 20. 29. 30. 2. Pet. 2. 1. 2. 3. yea themselues were troubled with such trialles whilles they were with the Churches Actes 15. 2. Gal. 2. 4. 5. and som preaching Christ through enuie strife supposing to adde more affliction too the Apostells bandes Phil. 1. 16. And hath not the Apostell told vs that in these last dayes shall come perillous times and that all sortes of sinnes shall abound 2. Tim. 3. 1. 2. 3. which should teach vs to bee more watchfull and to judge wisly of things and not too bee offended at the trueth or any part thereof for it is the trueth that maketh vs free Iohn 8. 31. 32. yet when the Lord of glory was vpon the earth which taught the trueth more excellent then euer did any yet his owne Disciples went backe walked no more with him stombling at his heauenly doctrine seeing it is thus that our corrupt nature is so soone caried a syde how should wee desier of God to haue the spirit of discerning of sincerity to walke in the trueth wheras wee haue been euill spoken of too be cōtentious and of fierry spirits with many such like reproches But what is the cause that wee are thus reproched is it not because wee withstand errour and sinne and suerly although wee are weake men yet hearin wee follow the examples of the Prophetes of God Was not Moyses the meekest man vpon the earth yet was hee stored vp many times to great anger because of the sinnes of the people and who is more redy to carpe
at the zeale of Gods people then louse persons or lucke warme Christians which are redy to say as Ahab 2. Cron. 18. 7. that when the word of God is spoken for their reprofe they thinke it is neuer well spoken to them well for mens esteem wee passe not vpon it but I turn my speech to such as are faithfull if they haue the loue of the trueth and if they haue a desier too keepe the Lords watch in his house then I say to such as Iehu sayd too Iehonadab 2. Kings 10. 15. ●…f their hartes bee vpright to the Lord to vs as ours is vnto them then let them no●… stagger at these troubles But come and helpe vs in our heauenly iourney for great are the hinderances by our corrupt flesh and this world and Satan hee vseth both these to insnare vs. But for such as are corrupt and vnder a pretence of peace and lowlines of minde Col. 2. 18. will either broch errour or plead for sinne vnto such I say with Dauid Psalm 119. 115. which saith Depart from mee yee eu●…ll doers for I will keep the commandements of my God And this I speake not of singularity but because I find that our corrupt nature hath not need of helpers into sinne for wee are subject of our selues to run into sinne dayly And now Christian Reader for as much as the diuell hath in these our dayes reuiued a new his ancient course teaching of men to abuse the Name of God in 〈◊〉 vpon them to make a Couenant in their Antichristian estat which is contrary to the word of God and is a meanes not only to insnar themselues but also to draye and insnare the people of God which are escaped out of their bounds but concerning this poinc●… I refer thee to the 16. 17. 18. pages of this booke And now that which I haue written I commit it to thy judgment in the which I pray thee bee not partiall but read with consideration and then with Moyses to say to him that doeth the wrong Why smi●…est thou thy fellow Exodus 2. 13. A Christian Reprofe against Contention MR Staesm in the beginning of his booke settet downe as a cause of the publishing of Mr. Answorth Sarmon To be a loue token of remembrance to his Brethren to in kindle theire affections to prayer that scandalles of many yeares continuance may be remoued that are bares to keepe many godly wise judicious from vs wherby wee might growe to further perfection againe ANSWER THat all the people of God ought to pray both for the prosperitie of the trueth and for the remouing of scandalles that none may be hindered from the true walking in the trueth it is their dutye so to doe But is not Mr. S. the chiefe man which is the cause of the scandell nowe in question between vs who all though wee did bear with him in his errour and no doubte would so haue done vntill this day and allwayes hee resting in peace yet was hee so bussie vnrestty that hee is the chiefe man that hath brought this scandall or offence therefore I aduertise him to remembare the saying of our Lord Iesus woe be to the world because of offences for it must needes be that offences shall come but woe to be two the man by whome they come and as Mr. S. hath begone the offence so hee is the these man that may in part by the acknowledging of his sinne heale the breach and so helpe to take away the offences which if God vouchsafe to give unto him I shall be glad and I hope all the people of the Lord also Mr. S. instructeth vs how to remoue scandall and in thè meane time hee runeth one sweftly two intrease the scandall by publishing of his vnjust writings Hee telleth vs that the setting out of Mr. Answorths Sarmon is his loue taken But is this so in deed why then hath hee placed such a swet flower betweene such bitter and poysoned earbes placeing before it his vntrue preface and be hind it his stoffing postscript wher by hee abuseth the word of the Lord and belyeth his neybours as afterwards I shall shewe God willing if this be the euent of Mr. S. loue what maye wee thinke will the event of his hattred be But may 〈◊〉 not be justly feared such fruit as this that hee tocke an occasion to set out Mr. Answorths Sarmon that so with it hee might send abroad his vnproffitable writings and that hee might get the better sale which alone of them selfe would haue but littel esteeme But let not Mr. S. pretend loue in this for loue 1. Cor. 13. thinketh not euill But hee in this hath done euill loue rejoyceth in the trueth But hee strifeth in errour and contention therfore let Mr. S. feare that hee is guiltye of this Scripture Prou. 26. 18. 19. 21. which saith As a mad man casteth fire brandes arrowes death so is the man that dece●…ueth his neighbour and saith am not I in sport so hee speaketh of loue but hee casteth vntruethes scandalles and reproches and errour M. Staes in the beginning of his Preface showeth from the 1. Sam. 7. 2. how that the people of God lamented after the Lord and as hee saith the same affectione mee thinkes I perceive in many of you to the which I answere it ought not only to be the affectione of many But of all Gods people to lament the want of the Lords holy ordinances and wheras hee speaketh of divers inconvenices for the want of the ministery alas who will not grant it and more then hee speaketh of but wheras hee saith Being divers times hurried ●…orne with the loud out cryes and hard handling of furious and vnmercifull spirits These things will fall vpon the head of Mr. S. himselfe but first I answer that wee are but weake mene and do sin in our best actions how much more in the handling of the matteres of controversie in the which there is allwayes opposition yea all though the cause be never so just And especially such subtill opposeres as Mr. S. and such as are with him be and not only subtill b●…t violent and vnresty and labouring daily to corrupte others who should others wayes thinke But that in these troubles in many things wee have sinned I speake it to Godes glory and our owne shame although the chiefe matter in countrouersy must ly vpon the head of Mr. S. wher it is due with all the euill euentes that doth follow hee being the cause of it But vnto his clamours I answer although wee bee weake subject to fayle yet it followeth not therfore that his clamours are true for what be the outcryes by the which hee or any are torn with all I hope in countrouersy men must be answered and if sinne be committed it ought to be blamed but haue wee done as hee hath done not only with his tong and pene to send letters but also in print to send abroad his injurious