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A47156 The light of truth triumphing over darkness and ignorance, error and envy manifested in Robert Gordoun's late pretended testimony to the true Saviour : wherein every one whose eye is open may see his seat, and who have salt in themselves may favour his words, work and spirit and discern his deceitful dealing by smitting the innocent in secret, yet not with that subtilty which is able to cover in this day wherein light is manifesting the works of darkness : so, the Devil was here deficient but envy slays the foolish man : given forth in the 2 moneth 1670 / by George Keith, & G. White-head. Keith, George, 1639?-1716.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Gordon, Robert, fl. 1669-1675. Testimony to the true Saviour. 1670 (1670) Wing K179; ESTC R2048 34,830 44

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all through him might believe and in believing might all aim unto eternall life and salvation R. G I have seen and considered thy book or paper entitled A T●stim●ny to the true Saviou● and I find somewhat in me from the Lord to answer thee in Love to thy soul and in a zeal for God and his truth and people whom the spirit that hath set thee on work to write this book hath laboured to vail and cloud that the light of the glory thereof might not shine forth but its work is in vain for the truth shineth forth in brightness over all that confusion mist and darkness by which it seeks to hinder it and indeed the youngest child of truth may see thy weakness and confusion herein and how thou figh test as one beating the air against that precious people and their testimony whom though thou doest not expressly design yet any who reads thy book and are acquainted with us and our principle wi●l see that thy book is levelled mostly against us and our principle its very design being to cast mire and durt upon us and to marre the visage and beauty of that precious truth the Universal light which is within but it is returned upon thee and this stone which thou rejects and seeks to perswade others to reject is set over thee and will be too b●rthensome for thee if in time thou repent not I finde not my self concerned to take a particular notice of all thy words so as to give a particular answer to them onely so far as thou manifests both thy own confusion and self contradiction on the one hand and thy opposition to the sound and wholesome words of truth together with thy disingenious stating and wresting of that pure do●ctrine affirmed and declared by us on the other In the second and third page thou writes of two snares wherewith some are intangled which are summed up in this to wit the dividing these two great Gospell Misteries and setting the one in opposite terms against the other contrary to the tenden●y of the Holy Scripture● and what these Snares are thou more particularly expresses pag. 5. But there are some upon the one hand so zealous for Christ thou says and what he did for u●●n his Crucified body without us that they n●glect in themselves and ●ppose in others the mistery of Christ within as a matter of no co●cernment at all to them c. and this thou reckons the first snare and indeed a snare i● is and that very dangerous and dreadfull but for all thy work to discover this snare to others thou art found intangled in it thy sel● and intangling others with thee as much as thou can ●s I may afterwards make appear The second snare thou mentions is that some on the other hand pretend so much zeal for this mistery Christ within the opperations a●d acting of the Spirit of God in themselves that they deny the mistery of God in the flesh of Christ as a matter of any necessity to them as to redemp●ion reconc●liation and justifica●●on c which charge thou plainly directs against us ca●led in d●rision Quakers as may appear by the import of thy discourse though th●u does not expre●ly name us to which I say it is a fa●se charge nor are we guilty of it as also thou false●y alleadges tha● we recko● to accomplish this in our own bodies each for himself throu●h obedience to the Law or Light in his Conscience which Light they call Christ Redeemer a●d onely Saviour without r●spect to the ●rue Christ and ou● onely Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth I say this is false for ●hough we say Reco●ciliation and justification and Redemption is wrought in us by Christ yet not without respect to Christ even as outwardly manifest born and crucified c. for our justification c hath a true and real and certain respect to Christ both as inwardly manife●●ed in us and also as manifested in that body of flesh which was crucified in 〈◊〉 c for we do believe that he took upon him the form of a servant ev●● in the outward and died even in the outward and offered up even his very flesh through the eternal Spirit in the outward as a sacrifice of a sweet smell and atonem●nt unto God in order to our justifica●ion and reconciliation with God so as thereby he prepared or made ready the way for our justification though our justification was not s●●ply and absolutely thereby wrought as if no more were to be done by him and his Spirit in us or as if his outward body flesh blood and life were the onely sacrifi●● and propitiation exc●uding the inward And now if I should stop here and proceed no furthe● I give a sufficient testimo●y ●gainst thy f●lse charge upon us yet I must say somewhat f●rther for the clearing this matter for whereas thou not onely affirms that Salvation and justification hath a necessary respect to Christ his taking on him the form of a Servant or man in the outward and ●umbling himself therein even to the outward death which we also grant God having so ordained it to be but also thou seems to affirm that the express knowledge and b●li●f of his taking on him the form of man and his ob●d●en●● and sufferings therein is of a●s●lute necessity unto all and every one for salvation so as none could be saved without that express knowledge though it was never revealed to them This I deny how canst thou prove this by Scripture for may not the benefit of Christ his taking on him the form of a man redound unto many who do not expresly know it they having a true light within them even as a diseased person may receive benefit of a cure applyed to him thou●h he has not an express knowledge of all the names and ways ●ow from first to last it hath been prepared and even as many have s●ffered hurt through the disobedience of the first man to wit Adam who have not known expresly that ever such a man was or the manner of his disobedience So why may not even many receive benefit through the obedience of Christ in the outward who have not known expresly his outward coming and sufferings otherwise Adams disobedience were more effectual for mans destruction then the obedience of Christ were for his Salvation As for what thou writes against those who pretend to the imputed righteousness of Christ c. but under all this retaining and indeed entertaining the Serpents nature in their souls c. as in pages 6 7 8 9 10 11 it toucheth not us for we have no such principle not beliefe and thou hast need to examine thy own heart lea●t thou be found in this snare thy self does thou retain or entertain nothing of the Serpents nature in thee yea art thou ●ot of such a belief that sin doth of necessity live in thy soul and thou cannot be freed so from it but that it must live in some measure
not say the seed is condemned unless by such a spirit as thine as drowns it calling it but a Natural thing as the Iews condemned Christ calling him but a Man the Carpenters Son and then in thy ignorance and envy thou asks if in eve●y man this seed or Christ is not saved doth it remain for ever in some under condemnation I answer nay for though for a time it suffer yet in the time appointed of God it is raised up in all even the most ungodly over all their ungodliness to minister in them the Wrath and righteous judgement of the Lord against them without mercy as thou wilt find by sad experience if in time thou repent not which I wish from my heart even that repentance may be given thee for all thy enmity and hard speeches against him and his truth Again how grosly and disingeniously thou wrests the words of some of us viz. That Christ was sometime preached a● crucified to the Iews but more generally a light to the Gentiles as if there were one Christ says thou to wit a crucified Christ preached to the Iew● and another Christ to wit a Light enlightning every man that comes ●nto the World prea●hed unto the Gentiles but this is a most piteous and abominable wresting of these words aforesaid which do not import 2 Christs but but one and the same in a twofold way of manifestation or appearance and though Prophets and Apostles preached him as in the form of a man yet they preached him also and that more generally as a light to the Geutiles yea and to Iews also Thou would also perswade simple people as if we did separate the benefit of Christs outward coming from inward while thou speaks after this manner How are you thus iniferably be beguilded to preach up the Light enlightning ●vory man that comes in●o the World for 〈◊〉 Christ to cry up a light within 〈◊〉 cry down the blood without to preach him as an example to cast out the 〈…〉 but though we preach him as the sight that enligh●ens 〈…〉 and cry up the light within yet we cry not down the blood without no● in preaching him as an example do we deny the a●●onement 〈◊〉 are bu●●hy false and groundless insinuations and as touc●●ng our preaching him as the light that enlightens every man that comes in●o the world that all though him might believe and so be saved thou 〈◊〉 as well have bespoke Iohn after that manner saying O● thou miserable begui●ed John who preaches the light that enlightens every man that com●s into the world to be Christ for so he preached him and so did others I shall yet take notice of two or three passages 〈◊〉 in thy book and so leave it for to trace and follow thee in all thy confusions and dark imaginations were neither worth the travel nor the time for by these few hints the weakest of any true judgement may perceive what a bulk of confusion thy book is Pag. 27. thou says That light and salvation of the Gentiles prophesied ●f 49. 6. Isa. is not said I will give it the light that enlightens every man that comes into the world for that was already given to every ma● as he came into the worl● but it is I will give speaking of one to be given that which was not actually given for a lig●ht to the Genttles but this is a most weak and shallow manner of reasoning for though Christ was given in some measure for ● light from the beginning and even in the darkest times yet afterwards he came to be given in a greater measure of light and manifestation so here is not another light then was given at first but a further measure of the same for in ●he beginning was the word Christ Jesus and in him was life and the life was the light of men And thus all thy other empty shallow reasonings may be answered in many other place which speaks of Christ as a light a Prophet c. which thou would confina onely to him as outwardly come as particularly that of Moses a Prophet shall the Lord your God raise unto you like unto 〈◊〉 which thou would onely hint and confine to his outward coming and becoming many in the land of Judea for otherwise thou says it could not be said that he should be raised up l●ke unto Moses for Moses was a man But the light and power and spirit within is not a man as Moses was But if we go to scan too narrowly upon this word like unto me as if it did import every way a like it will not answer thy intent for Christ even as man in divers weighty circvmstances was unlike to Mos●s Christ was bo●n of a Virgin so not Moses Christ never sinned so not Moses and many others migh● be named but if thou say Moses and Christ were like to one another in that likeness understood by the spirit so say I which yet is not confined simply or onely to his manhood for even Christ in spirit was and is raised up like unto Moses insomuch that as Moses was given of God as an outward deliverer of the out●ard Israel from out of Egypt and from under Pharoah in the outward destroying their enemies without and leading them through a red sea and wilderness outward into a good outward land and giving them Laws and Precepts from God c. So Christ even in Spirit is given of God as an inward deliverer of the inward Israel from out of spiritual Egypt and from under spiritual Pharoah destroying their inward and spiritual Enemies leading them through an inward and spiritual sea wilderness into a good spiritual land giving them spiritual Laws Precepts from God and stoning them to death with a spiritual stone who do not observe them and is this no likeness at all intended by the spirit of God as the sense of these words of Moses How has thy prejudice blinded thee in this and many other things Last of all I cannot but reprove thee for thy disingenuous and deceitful insinua ion in the last page of thy Book in these words How much sor●r punishment shall he be thought worthy of that hath trod under foot the Son of God and counted the blood of the Covenant an unholy thing 〈◊〉 the blood of any ordinary man ●r beast But did thou ever read or hear from any of us as if we counted the blood of Christ even in the outward as the blood of any ordinary man or beast or thinks thou to infer such a conclusion from our principle as because we say Christ the light within us is precious and saving that therefore we account his blood as the blood of any ordinary man or beast but I must tell thee thy inference is bad and deceitful and doth no wise follow from our principle as is evident from what is aforesaid yea the spilt blood of his Saints and their death is of great account with the Lord when brought to it
The Light of Truth Triumphing Over Darkness an●●gnorance Error and envy Manifested in Robert Gordouns late pretended testimony to the true Saviour Wherein every one whose eye is open may see his Seat And who have Salt in themselves may favour his words work and Spirit and discern his deceitful dealing by smitting the innocent in secret yet not with that subtilty which is able to cover in this day wherein Light is manifesting the works of darkness SO The Devil was here deficient BUT Envy siays the foolish man Given forth in the 2 Moneth 1670. By George Keith G. White-head Printed in the year 1670 R. G. Having had knowledge of thee from the beginning and acquantance with thee through many years and a love for the● ●nd regard to thee I found a readiness in 〈◊〉 to signifie My sense of thee and sorrow for thee in that spirit and mind which could d●light to do thee a service in Love But indeed thou appearest before me as one very uncapable in that spirit and state wherein thou stands of a return to the Lord or of a steady Conductor to thy bewildred minde the traversing of which without a guide hath centred it in a Whirle pool And in thy reelings thou art now resolved thou wilt fight neither with great no● small but with the King of Israel The Light of 〈◊〉 I have often wisht thee to come under its banner that it might have become thy covering then had not darkne●s covered thy understanding nor the Fogs of lirror so confounded thee but that thou might have seen thy way out of the mire and clay wherein thou art toyling thy self travelling in pain and bringing ●orth th● wind It did not a little astonish me upon a view of thy book to find thee whom I judged had attain'd a measure of reason setting up thy own shaddow in thy own immagination and then cudggelling it down again as though thou wert encountring an Army for where did 〈◊〉 the people called Quakers deny that body prepared of God to do his will in which suffered at Jerusalem by wicked hands which thou seems to take for granted and then labours like a man in a sweat and indeed thy labour is in the fire to prove its existence in that day of its service and its necessity as to mankind which by them was never denyed and I dare thee and all men upon the earth to prove they did or do I take notice of thy acknowledgement in the 4 pag. of thy book that the manifestation of God in the flesh of Christ was that their by way might be opened for the ministration of the other mistery 〈…〉 separating them and making the one subservient to the other and yet after runs against it ●n the whole scope of thy work which is m●nifest beyond all gain saying 〈…〉 qualification and a work to be wrought and that by a Spirit too ●ven as though the words had been expresly written to give thy words th● lyc I am really sorry for thee and my very 〈…〉 d●sir●d and doeth thy good and mark thy self that if possib●● thou might see the confusion ●hy enemy drives thee into fo● within ten lines after on the same page thou says seeing the travel of his soul rested well pl●ased that he might make it effectual within every man end yet before no work to be 〈◊〉 in any man by any light or spirit Oh Robert whether drives thou whether art thou driven I marke one thing more pag. 4. thou says He hath already subdued all made an ●nd of sin compleated the work of 〈◊〉 redem●tion dyed for Us and reconcil●d Us to God c. and as I was weighing it in my mind what or whom thou did intend by the words Our and Us That other part of thy book came before me pag. 13. where thou says he did bear Our sins in his body on the tro● Propitiation for the sins of the 〈◊〉 world past present and to come so then it appeared by the word Us thou intends the whole world Nevertheless to go round again thou pleads with a generation saying that their pleading a faith in his death and sufferings interest in the satisfaction and attonement made to God through his blood pag. 6 Will not shelter them from the wrath of the Father pag. 7. What I not shelter them and yet Christ a propitiation for their sins past present and to come what incongruous work is this which they that runs may read Several other pass●ges in thy book are observable and I do not charge thy intention with blasphemy but thy work unawares Vergeth near it for pag. 22. thou says of Christ who was never defiled having the iniquities of us all in h●s body c. how unsound are thy words and in pag. 24. thy words are Spiritual m●sticall ●l●goricall Christ light within us Spirit and po●er in the man Christ. And now does thou know what thou speakes to Catigorize a Spiritual and an Alegoricall Christ identically and so in effect mak● them both one Thou hast sometimes accused some for Alegorizing his body of flesh but now thou darest do it to his Spiri● I wish thou knew the weight of this and what tendency it hath to make void the faith converting its object into a Chimaera In the same page thou says if in every man this seed or Christ is not saved doeth it remain for ever under condemnation There is a supposition and a question from it of thy own forming and presently thou concludes it a doctrine of some others saying oh how contrary is this doctrine First it is gross confusion in thy self to call a supposition and question a doctrine and secondly it is a smitting in the dark by thy implying and raking for granted there is a people that hold it If thou meanest the people called Quakers a●cuse them openly if not then clear them of the many inconsequent implycations of thy book which many do and will understand to be against them until thou put off thy Viza●d But it is enough to me and I wish it may be serviceable to thee for good that some faith●ul friends of truth have in love to truth and to thee set thy work before thee as in a glass that happily thou may see thy self by their labour of Love which after followes else I might have found in my heart to have dealt with thy book throughout and I am satisfied in due time thy own words will become thy burden but still I wish it may be for thy good for I have a real Love to thee and regard for thee as I said at first A. Robeson Light set over Darkness In somewhat writ in answer unto a printed paper published by R. G. so far as it Concerns us the people called in deri●ion Quakers and our principle wherein he hath both difing enuously represented us and darkly and ignorantlly opposed our principle even Iesus Christ the true light w●h enlightning every man that comes into the world that