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A85389 Cretensis: or A briefe answer to an ulcerous treatise, lately published by Mr Thomas Edvvards, intituled Gangræna: calculated for the meridian of such passages in the said treatise, which relate to Mr. John Goodwin; but may without any sensible error indifferently serve for the whole tract. Wherein some of the best means for the cure of the said dangerous ulcer, called gangræna, and to prevent the spreading of it to the danger of the precious soules of men, are clearly opened, and effectually applied; / by the said John Goodvvin, a well-willer to the saints, in the work and patience of Jesus Christ. Published according to order. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1646 (1646) Wing G1161; Thomason E328_22; ESTC R35707 46,594 52

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comes into Stepney-Parish to draw away people That to Mr. Greenhils face did justifie and maintain many wicked opinions c. Vpon occasion whereof there was a meeting concluded and Mr. Greenhill and Mr. Burroughs with many others were at it Hee tells you further when this meeting was viz. a little before Mr. Burroughs fell upon the preaching of the power of the Magistrate in matters of Religion And further adorns the relation with many good words that Mr. Greenhill should speak at this meeting with others that Mr. Burroughs should speak as particularly that in regard of these things matters being so there was a necessity both of the government of the Church and of the power of the Magistrate c. As likewise with others that should be spoken by divers others there present This story is long and the particular forgeries in it numerous beyond measure In which respect I shall desire the Reader at his leasure to make the computation which he may do with exactnes enough if he shall please to compare Mr. Edwards Relation with these ensuing lines which I received from Mr. Burroughs himself in writing anent the businesse That story Mr. Edwards hath page 79. of one Nichols and of a meeting concluded of occasioned by some vise opinions vented by that Nichols where Mr. Greenhill and my selfe he sayes was together with divers passages that hee relates came from mee at that meeting is all false I know no such man as this Nichols I never heard there was such a man in the world till I read it in Mr. Edwards his book I to this day know of no meeting about him or any of his opinions either intended desired or resolved upon much lesse that there was any such meeting The next Lords day after Mr. Edwards his book came forth M. Greenhill asked me whether I knew of any such meeting with that Nichols for his part he wondred to see such a thing in Mr. Edwardshis book for he knew of no such meeting Thus far M. Burroughs And because we have had occasion here to mention Mr. Burroughs and Mr. Edwards takes occasion p. 33. not onely to deale by him as he doth by his other Sectaries whose opinions he arraignes ad placitum for errors but seldome either names their persons or encounters their opinions by argument whereas hee hath expressed himselfe in both against him I desire to insert a few lines for the vindication of him that is unjustly charged by detecting the weaknesse and groundlesnesse of the charge The opinion wherewith Mr. Burroughes stands there charged amongst the Sectaries as with an error is this Whatsoever errors or miscarriages in Religion the Church should bear withall in men continuing them still in communion with them as brethren these the Magistrates should beare with in men continuing them in the Kingdome or Commonwealth in the enjoyment of the liberty of Subjects But first it is to be considered that Mr. Burroughes p. 34. of his book had laid down this position That notwithstanding any plea of conscience yet if the error be destructive to the State a man may be dealt withall by the State for it And secondly this p. 35. That no pretence of conscience can excuse a man in any matter of apparent injustice These two conclusions pre-asserted he comes p. 67. to give this Rule for forbearance in matters of Religion That whatsoever miscarriages in matters of Religion the Church should beare with these the Magistrate should beare with because though it should be never so much granted that the Magistrate is Custos utriusque tabulae yet his charge in matters of Religion reacheth not further then the charge of the Church doth Now Mr. Edwards to confute this instanceth in a man whose conscience is not satisfied in the point of subjects taking up Armes against Armies raised by a Prince and therefore refuseth bearing Armes and all maintenance to such a warre c. Such a man as this saith he the State may sequester and the Parliament I think hath sequestred many upon such occasions taking their estates c. Surely this confutation is so farre from being fit to satisfie any Scholar that it hath hardly strength or colour enough to take women or weake people with a For doth the State deale with such a person as he gives instance in as for an error or matter in Religion or for injustice to the State yea apparent injustice and that which is destructive to the State For forbearing that which if others should for beare also the State must needs be destroyed Now evident it is that Mr. Burroughs Doctrine or Rule touching for bearance concerns matters of Religion when the subject matter is Religion not matters of State wherein men may pretend conscience yea it may bee are conscientious indeed so farre and in such a sense as men of an erroneous conscience may be such But this confutation of Mr. Burroughs is it seems but a forlorn hope the fore-runner of a great Army of confutations advancing Troilus I see will needs be trying his valour with Achilles whatsoever it costs him Infelix puer atque impar congressus Achilli How his Pen hath abused Mr. Ellis of Colchester and other faithfull servants of God in those parts with base calumnies and slanders the world I conceive will shortly understand by an Expresse from thence For Mr. Ellis himselfe writes thus to a friend in London The aspersions cast on me and some others here by Mr. Edwards are as false as foule which because they are a great part of his book and strength those who are here concerned in it will if God please shortly make reply Page 57. He affirms that the preceding letter beginning thus p. 54. Worthy Sir the consideration of those many c. was written to him by a person religious and cordially affected to the Parliament I know not the man my selfe and therefore shall not attempt to infringe this testimony of him out of any personall experience which I have of him or of his wayes but shall onely referre the Reader for his satisfaction both concerning the man and the testimony given to him to this ensuing letter written by one well enough known to himselfe to a speciall friend of his about the Citie DEarly beloved and much honored in Christ grace mercy and peace be multiplied to you and to as many as are enabled by the power of God to look towards Sion As I was hastily perusing a book writ in Mr. Edwards name among sever all letters therein contained I found one written by a person with whom I have more then ordinary acquaintance In which letter the glory of God the pure institutions of the Lord Jesus with the Saints practises are maliciously abused as also your selfe not a little concern'd In consideration of the which I was not a little prest in my own spirit neither indeed could I refrain but needs must declare unto you the person that wrote it as he himself acknowledgeth
unto Israel I professe also that I feare the same feare with him in part because a great if not the farre greatest part of the subject matter of his Catalogue consists of defamatory untruths forged cavillations and bloudy insinuations against the servants of God in the Land And such practises as these in a Nation unlesse some speedy and effectuall course be taken to prevent them portend indeed little lesse then a bill of divorce from Heaven to that Nation But for the Errors Heresies Blasphemies and Practices of the Sectaries of this time which he makes the subject matter of his Catalogue by that time 1o all those Tenets which he very erroneously makes Errors and Heresies to advance his Catalogue and 2o all those which are forged in his own brain falsly fastened upon others no man holding or owning them and 3o all those which it may be have fallen from the lips or pen of some one inconsiderable and halfe-distracted person no man seconding him therein and 4o all those that hee hath perverted in the setting down 5o all those that for substance are repeated the second third and forth time over 6o and lastly all those Blasphemies and Practises which without cause or ground of truth he chargeth upon his Sectaries by that time I say that all these shall bee struck out of his black Bill the Bill will appeare much blacker and fouler then yet perhaps it doth in the eyes of many and so resemble the Author more to the life But the formidablenesse of the subject mattrr of his Catalogue will be much eased and the form of it bee found much more formidable then the matter But I marvaile how Mr Edw. having it seemes an authorized power to make errors and heresies at what rate and of what materialls he pleaseth and hopes to live upon the trade could stay his pen at so small a number as 180 and did not advance to that Angelicall quotient in the Apocalyps which is ten thousand times ten thousand and thousand thousands If he had consulted with a book not many yeares since printed which maintaines that dangerous heresie of the Cosmoselenitae i. of those that hold there is another world in the Moone and with another printed within the compasse of his foure yeares intituled Divinity and Philosophy dissected and set out by a mad man with some few others that I shall shortly be able to name unto him I will undertake that out of these he shall be able to increase his roll of errors and heresies from 180 to 280 if not to 500 and that upon more honest and honourable terms then now he hath advanc'd it to his own number And if he pleaseth to repaire unto me before the course of his menstruous or monethly labour comes upon him I will undertake to inrich his Treasurie of errors and heresies by twentie and ten out of his own Antapologie For certain I am that every contradiction affords an error either on the one hand or on the other and if I doe not find twenty and ten and a better number then so of birds of that feather in that Element let Mr Edwards pen plough as many long furrows more upon my back as it hath done In the meane time I must crave leave to say or at least to thinke that it is a most importune and unsufferable presumption for a poore weake thimble-full of dust that knows not how to range his parts of speech in a sentence nor to put the nominative case and verb together regularly in English nor how to frame the structure of a period according to the common rules of reason Grammar and common sense to advance himselfe into a Paper Throne and from thence satis pro Imperio tribunali pronounce the formidable sentence of Error and Heresie against all opinions and judgements of men whatsoever which will not comport with his understanding or fancie rather as the standard of all Truth Yea and Nebuchadnezzar-like to slay and smite what opinion he pleaseth what he will to set up and what he will to pull downe For I professe ingenuously that I know not by what other rule or measure besides his own humour and will he judgeth of error or heresie Certaine I am that if he will stand either to the arbitrement of the Scriptures or to the principles of cleare sound Reason he must discharge and justifie many of those Tenets for innocent yea and well-deserving Truths which now he hath arraigned at the barre of his Tribunall for Errors Heresies If his Touchstone be the major vote of his own party I desire to recommend unto him the conscientious perusall of a passage from the pen of a conscientious and learned man of the same side I hope he will not say that he is knowne ex professo to be of another judgement then what he plainly expresseth in writing a base calumny wherewith to honour himselfe he dishonoureth Calvin p. 45. If dissentions and schismes saith Musculus a arise in the Church they are in fault who stand up to maintaine a false faith not they who oppose it Nor is it materiall which partie is the more numerous For the Church neither her selfe judgeth according to the multitude nor is shee to be judged according to the consent of the greater number but according to the manifest truth expressed in the Scriptures If the man will but own the verdict of as learned and ingenuous a pen as ever wrote on his side he must release the better halfe I beleeve of his prisoners and instead of an 180 Errors and Heresies take his tables and write downe four-score Secondly I would know of him whether this be a regular processe in Law To ask my fellow whether I be a Thiefe If Mr Edw. thinks that he ought to be reputed and honoured as a man Orthodox till men of his owne judgement vote him erroneous I know no reason he hath but to measure out the same measure unto others and consequently to judge no man or men erroneous or hereticall untill they be adjudged such by those that concur in opinion with them As for twenty and ten of those opinions which he hath impeached of error and heresie and I will not say for how many more I doe here cast the glove to whosoever will take it up to bring them off with the honour of truth from all that the man hath to lay to their charge For I evidently see that he hath dealt with many precious Truths of God as the Jews did by Christ himselfe when they numbred him with Transgressors And particularly for that which he hath arraign'd in the 70th place in his Catalogue of Errors viz. that Faith in a proper sense is imputed to justification and not Christs righteousnesse in the sense by me rejected I thinke I may with far lesse boasting say what he saith of his abilities in the Church-Controversies I am saith he so farre vers'd in these Controversies that I challenge c