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A88107	The nevv quere, and determination upon it, by Mr. Saltmarsh lately published, to retard the establishment of the Presbyteriall government, examined, and shewed to be unseasonable, unsound, and opposite to the principles of true religion, and state. Whereunto is annexed a censure of what he hath produced to the same purpose, in his other, and later booke, which he calleth The opening of Master Prinnes Vindication. And an apologeticall narrative of the late petition of the Common Councell and ministers of London to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, with a justification of them from the calumny of the weekly pamphleters. / By John Ley, one of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster.	Ley, John, 1583-1662.	1645 (1645)	Wing L1885; Thomason E311_24; ESTC R200462	96,520	124

their opinions and forward to engage in termes of contradiction and when they are once heated with a fond affection to their owne fancies which is the more blowne up by the breath of an opposite they are not masters of their owne words nor can they exercise any reasonable rule either upon their spirits or speeches and sometimes they second their precipitancie in both with such a pertinacie of will and stoutnesse of stomach that they choose rather to cast firebrands about to put Nations and Churches into a dangerous combustion then quietly to compose any personall quarrell of their owne though never so inconsiderately stirred up by them this is the extremitie of that malignant and mischievous practice which God professeth especially to hate Prov. 6.19 And for the opprobrious termes he complaineth of if he had the patience to beare them when he heard them and did not reciprocate one contumely for another as some say he did he should have had the prudence and to that should have advised him had I been of his counsell to have buried them in silence and not for that which was but whispered in the eare to propose it to publique view that every one may read the reproach of K. and F. put upon him in print SECT VIII The Argument against the speedy setting up of the Presbyteriall Government taken from Christs practise answered A Second exception reduced to the example of Christ in his practise is that * § 3. p. 4. Christ Iesus himselfe could as easily have setled his Government by miracle as any can now by Civill power if there had beene such a primary or morall necessitie of establishing it so soone upon a people scarce enlightened for any part of it But we see the contrary first in himselfe he taught long and Iohn before him and so the Disciples and the gifts for Government were not given till he ascended and the modell for Government was not brought forth but by degrees and as people fell in and were capable of the yoke and would mould more easily to the Commandements of Christ and whether then or no is yet a Question which some have sit the debates to though not with me who am fully perswaded of the power of order which the Apostle ioyed to behold though a power with as little dominion in government as tradition in worship Answer 1. The acts and times for the Divine providence towards his Church are various and the reasons of them many times reserved to God he could no doubt have governed his Church in the first age of the world by the scepter of his written word but there was no Scripture till God wrote his Decalogue or ten Commandements in Tables of stone Exod. 31.18 and if the Booke of Genesis were written before it was yet after the birth of Moses for he was the Penman of it who was not borne till the yeare of the world 2373. all this while God had his Church and no written Law for the government of it Yet when he brought the Israelites out of Egypt which was in the yeare 2454 the next yeare after he gave direction for the building of a Tabernacle and to the Morall Law forementioned added Lawes Ceremoniall and Iudiciall divers of which were not to be put in execution untill their coming into Canaan which was well neere fortie yeares afterward so farre was he before-hand with the government of his Church of the new edition 2. Whereas he saith that Iesus Christ could have as easily setled the government of his Church by miracle as any can now by Civill power we grant it yea and more that he could have done it without a miracle and yet more that he did so when he chose Apostles and gave them the keyes of the Kingdome of heaven Matth. 16.19 for remission and retaining of sinnes Ioh. 10.23 and set downe a rule of graduall proceeding with offenders Matt. 18.15 16 17. 3. If it be said that this was late in the Ministery of our Saviour and therefore we must take his example not onely for the thing it selfe but for the time this will make more for the Anabaptisticall delay of Baptisme then for delay in Discipline or Government for he was not baptized untill he was about thirty yeares of age Luk. 3.23 but he began to set up a government of his Church within the compasse of his publique Ministery which at the most lasted but foure yeares space and many learned men confine it to three yeares and an halfe or thereabouts As for Iohn Baptist his time was shorter for he was beheaded in the second of the foure yeares forementioned nor did it belong to his Office to set up a government in the Evangelicall Church but to prepare the way of the Lord by preaching repentance unto the people Matth. 3.3 Isa 40.3 4. Whereas he saith the gifts of government were not given till Christ ascended to that it may be answered 1. That he ascended fortie three dayes after the period of his publique Ministration which added to the yeares forementioned make but small difference as to the government in question 2. That though he gave them an increase of gifts for government as he did for preaching he put his Apostles upon neither of those offices without competent gifts and qualifications for them 5. For the model of government which he saith was brought forth by degrees as people fell in and were capable of the yoke I would know what model he meaneth if he meane any model of Christ or his Apostles as it appeareth he doth for saith he against Mr. Colemans opinion I am fully assured of a power of order which the Apostle reioyced to behold Col. 2.5 I aske whether this be given by tradition or contained in the Scripture I suppose he will say of Government as well as of Worship not by tradition but by the written word and if so though it were but young in the time of Christ or his Apostles it is very ancient to us for we have no part of the written word but it is fifteene hundred yeares of age at least why then should that which is so old in constitution be thought too soone to be put in execution at the present especially since besides the direction for it in the Scripture we have had these many yeares severall patterns of it in many reformed Churches in the Christian world Nor doe our brethren of Scotland though they assert it from Scripture to be the will of God expect that the Parliament should establish it Jure Divino * M. Gelaspi● his brotherly examination of M. Colemans Sermon p. 32 33. If they shall in a Parliamentary and Legislative way establish that thing which is really and in it selfe agreeable to the word of God though they doe not declare it to be the will of Iesus Christ they are satisfied If it be best as his words imply that the government be brought in by degrees so it is in the present reformation for it

confute in other particulars and I am willing to take notice of them rather from him then from Mr. Pr. though I have read them in his Booke for divers reasons 1. Because Mr. P. is a friend to the Presbyteriall government having both a M. Prinne his Vindication p. 56. pleaded for it and beene persecuted as he saith by Sectaries and Independents for his good will unto it 2. Because he b So in the Epistle to the Reader before his Vindicat. fol. 2. p. 2. professeth to love and honour with his soule the Assembly of Divines and hath in a booke of purpose vindicated them from Libellous aspersions of the Antipresbyterians I confesse Mr. Saltm was once so reverently and religiously conceited of them that he honored them in print with the Title of a most Sacred Assembly in a c M. Salem his Dedication of the Examinations or the Discovery of some dangerous positions delivered in a Sermon of Reformation in the Church of the Savoy on the Fast day July 26. 1643. by Tho. Fuller B. D. Dedication of a little book unto them some of whom my selfe for one desired him to forbeare that Title in the rest of the Copies which were not then wrought off from the Pres●e but being so farre engaged against the Presbyteriall way as now he is I cannot thinke he hath so good either opinion of or affection to the Assembly as formerly he hath professed unto them and towards them 3. Because I am confident that whatsoever Mr. P. writeth though I approve not all that is set out in his name he writeth with a very upright and sincere heart without any sinister end or aime at gaine to himselfe or glory with men 4. Because I have found him so kind to me in severall kinds that I am loth to take him for an adversary in any publique contestation and yet I shall take the boldnesse as just occasion shall induce me to use the freedome of a friend unto him and to be true to the truth without partiall respect to friend or foe 5. Because Mr. Pr. doth not write what Mr. Saltm alleadgeth out of him against expedition in the setting up of Presbyteriall government much lesse finally to suppresse it which seemes to be the desire and endevour of Mr. Salt●● SECT XIIII The objections taken from a supposed needlesnesse of the Presbytery answered THat which he produceth against the Presbytery in Mr. Prinnes name consisteth chiefly of two particulars 1. That there is no necessitie of it that it should be established 2. The want of efficacie in it where it is established For the first he produceth a remarkable passage as he cals it out of Mr. Prinnes Vindication in these words And if our Assembly and Ministers will but diligently preach against that catalogue of scandalous sinnes and sinners they have presented to the Parliament and the Parliament prescribe severe Tem porall Laws and punishments against them and appoint good Civill Magistrates to see them duely executed and inflicted I am confident that this would work a greater Reformation in our Church and State in one halfe yeare then all the Church Discipline and Consures now so eagerly contested for will doe in an age and will be the onely true way and speediest course to reforme both Church and State at once which I hope the Parliament will consider of and take care that our Ministers like the Bishops formerly may not now be taken up with ruling and governing but preaching and instructing which is worke enough wholly to engrosse their time and thoughts Answer This saying of Mr. P. I see beginneth to be had in honour by out Independent Brethren for it is the Alpha of Mr. S.E. and Mr. T.T. their defence of positions it is as the Omega of Mr. S. his answer to Mr. Prins Vindication and I wish the Authour of it may have so much of it from the better sort of them as may make him some amends for the contumelies and calumnies he hath suffered from the worse and if Mr. P. his Testimony be so authentick with them but with most of them I know it is not it may not be amisse to minde them not of a piece of a lease but of whole a Independencie examined unmasked refuted by 12. new parti●ular Interrogatories detecting both the manifold absurdities inconveniences that must necessarily attend it to the great disturbance of Church State the diminution subversion of the lawfull undoubted power of all Christian Magistrates Parliaments Synods and thaking the chiefe pillars wherewith its Patrons would support it And A fresh discovery of some prodigious New wandering-blazing starres and firebrands c. Books of his making against their way The words forecited containe three things 1. A remedie against scandalous sinnes and the sufficiencie of that remedie without Church-Discipline and Censures so eagerly contended for 2. An hope that the Parliament will consider of and take care that Ministers may not like Bishops formerly be taken up with ruling and governing 3. A reason of that hope because preaching and instructing is work enough to engrosse their time and thoughts 1. For the first the Remedy prescribed against scandalous sinnes If our Assembly and Ministers will but diligently preach against that Catalogue of scandalous sinnes they have presented to the Parliament and the Parliament prescribe severe Temporall Laws and punishments against them and appoint good Civill Magistrates to see them duely executed and inflicted Answer Here is lesse required of the Ministers then is performed by many of them more promised concerning Lawes Punishments and Magistrates then without presumption can be expected by any For 1. For the Ministers they preach against those scandalous sinnes contained in the Catalogue and more too and undertake to adde many more to the Catalogue then are expressed and the Honourable House of Commons hath sent an Order to the Assembly of Divines to that purpose and when a supplement is made in obedience thereto there will be yet more found out not mentioned before so that there will be still new matter for addition unlesse there be a reserve 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of remaining particulars to be added when they are discovered and some cautionary Order made that the Minister may not be put upon this hard Dilemma either to administer to any against his judgement and conscience or to suspend his owne act of administration with hazard to himselfe either for his person or estate which will be a greater inconvenience then any worthy Communicant can suffer if he be upon the Ministers mistake unworthily denied his right to Gods Ordinance for one turne onely for before the next celebration of the Sacrament that which was doubtfull before may be fully cleared and of this difference there be two Reasons 1. If the party came worthily prepared and were refused he may have his part in the benefit of the Sacrament as if he had actually received for in such a case God accepteth the will for the deed