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A01014 Doctor Fludds answer vnto M· Foster or, The squeesing of Parson Fosters sponge, ordained by him for the wiping away of the weapon-salue VVherein the sponge-bearers immodest carriage and behauiour towards his bretheren is detected ...; Doctor Fludds answer unto M. Foster. Fludd, Robert, 1574-1637. 1631 (1631) STC 11120; ESTC S102376 121,816 230

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my answer to Mersennus in the defence of that point before hee had iudged he would without doubt aswell as hundreds of other men whereof some are Church-men of no meane ranke and many Doctors of Physicke of excellent learning haue auerred that D. Flud had answered Mersennus so fully aswell in that accusation as all other points layd by him vnto his charge that he could not bee able any way to reply against it And it is well knowne heere in England to such as haue beene conuersant beyond the Seas that the sufficiencie of my answer hath so satisfied the learned aswell in Germany as in France that hee hath beene by them much condemned for his slanderous writing and esteemed of but meanely for his small learning and indiscretion Now the ground of his malice vnto me was for that hee hauing written of the Harmony of the World and finding that a Booke of that subiect set out by mee was verie acceptable to his Countrey-men hee inuented this slander against me and my Harmonie that thereby hee might bring his owne into the better reputation But what did I say That hee was accused and condemned for that his slander by some in France yea verily his dearest companion who by reason of his insufficiencie was easily perswaded to take his cause in hand and to answer for him I meane Peter Gassendus his friend and Champion chideth his Mersennus for such his vncivill and scandalous reports against me in these verie words Ac Zelus quidem quo tu Mersenne euectus es commendari cum debeat attamen telatere non potest quin admodum durum sit viuenti in Christiano orbe appellari Cacomagum Haeretico-magum foetidae horrendae Magiae Doctorem propagatorem audire non esse ferendum huiusmodi Doctorem impunè prouocato Principe vti de illo poenas sumat minisque etiam adhibitis eundem propterea breui submergendum fluctibus aeternis c. vt nihil dicam de Atheismo atque haeresi quam tu quoqne obijcis Fluddo Haec nempe sunt quae Rufini aut D. Hieronymi irritare patientiam potuissent Alter enim cum patientiam requirat in caeteris qui vel tamen vnius Haereseos crimen ferat aut dissimulet hunc clamitat non esse Christianum Alter verò nolo inquit nolo in suspitione Haeresios quenquam esse patientem Quid fecissent in crimine seu suspitione aut Atheismi aut Cacomagiae These are the very words of Mersennus his chiefe friend which I interpret thus And although my Mersennus the zeale wherewith you are moued against Fludd is to bee commended neuerthelesse you cannot bee ignorant how grieuous and intolerable a thing it is vnto any man that liueth in the Christian world to be called a Witch or euill Magitian a Hereticke-Magitian or a teacher or divulger of foule and horrible Magicke and that such a teacher is not to bee suffered vnpunished also to prouoke the King or Prince to punish him and besides all this to threaten him saying that for that cause hee should bee drowned or drenched in the eternall Lake and so forth Besides the Atheisme and Heresie which also you obiect and lay to Fludds charge Verily these are things which would stirre vp the patience of Ruffinus or S. ●…erome whereof the one when hee requireth patience in other things yet hee concludeth that hee which can beare or dissemble with the offence of one heresie he crieth that such a man is no Christian The other saith I will not that any man should bee patient in the suspition of Heresie much lesse to be accused or suspected of Atheisme or naughty magicke In which words our English world may discerne first how this my honest dealing and morall forren Aduersarie doth checke his vnciuill friend whose part hee vndergoeth for his immodestie and small discretion and next doth teach my home-bred Aduersarie a great deale of manners or behauiour in writing against an Aduersarie namely not to contend with foule and scandalous language but with acute arguments and those to the purpose armed with the truest reasons of Philosophie Doth not Master Foster blush now to see his mightie and magnanimous Author Marinus Mersennus checked by his judicious friend whom hee himselfe hath elected aswell for Vmpeere as Stickler in his cause Yea and a chiefe Champion to defend it for calling me vniustly a Magitian and other misbeseeming names Yea is hee not ashamed if hee hath any to choose out a lying and false Author for the propagating of his Brothers slander If this be not so aske Gassendus But hee will no doubt reply that this speech of Gassendus to Mersennus doth not take away for all that the suspition of Magicke from Doctor Fludd though hee reproueth his friend for vsing him with so rough tearmes To which for his better satisfaction I produce this other place out of Gassendus his Reply against me in his friend Mersennus his behalfe This is the Title of his Chapter being the 20. Adlibri tertij Caput primum Depulsa Fluddo Atheismi Haeresios praesertim Cacomagiae suspicio that is To the first Chapter of the third Booke wherein Fludd is cleared from the suspition of Atheisme Heresie and especially of Deuillish Magicke He speaketh thus by way of Counsell to Mersennus Restat suspicio Cacomagiae de qua praesertim quaestio haec est veruntamen non vti ipsum Diabolicis illis artibus argumento mihi est quod Diabolos esse non credit aut non videatur credere quales nos vulgo intelligimus à Cacomagis vsurpari that is There resteth now the suspition of Euill-magicke of which especially the question is made but this is an euident argument vnto mee that hee is no such Magitian because hee doth not beleeue or at least wise maketh semblance not to beleeue that there are such Deuils as wee imagine to bee familiar with Witches Let Master Foster therefore see vpon what ficke foundation hee hath layd the false and malignant slander of an Euill-Magitian on mee But alas I smell a Rat for I will vse his owne wittie phrase he careth not how he may disgrace any one so that he might thereby the better serue his owne turne Because I haue produced in my Mysticall Anatomy a naturall reason for the Weapon-Salue which hee neyther can nor for all his poore reasons expressed in his Booke shall be able to refell therefore forsooth I must be numbred amongst the Magitians And wherefore Marry because Mersennus hath giuen the same censure on me And who is Mersennus A rayling Satyricall Babler not able to make a reply in his owne defence and therefore being put to a Non plus hee went like a second Iob in his greatest vexation to aske Counsell of the learnedst Doctors in Paris And at last for all that he fearing his cause and finding himselfe insufficient procured by much Intreatie his friend Peter Gassendus to helpe him and called another of his friends vnto his assistance
Doctor FLVDDS Answer vnto M. FOSTER OR THE SQVESING OF Parson FOSTERS SPONGE ordained by him for the wiping away of the WEAPON-SALVE VVherein the Sponge-bearers immodest carriage and behauiour towards his bretheren is detected the bitter flames of his slanderous reports are by the sharpe vineger of Truth corrected and quite extinguished and lastly the vertuous validity of his Sponge in wiping away of the Weapon-Salue is crushed out and cleane abolished Bilis acutissima aceto correcta acerrimo redditur dulcior PSAL. 92.7 Opera Dei vir brutus stultus non intelligit The Assertion of Parson Foster and his Faction or Cabale is this The wonderfull manner of healing by the weapen-salue is diaholicall or effected onely by the inuention and power of the Deuill But the royall Psalmist guided by the spirit of God saith Psal. 71.18 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel who only worketh wonders Therefore The Prophet pointeth thus at these and such like enemies of the Truth Esa. 5.20 Woe vnto them that speake good of euill and euill of good which put darknesse for light and light for darknesse that put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter Woe vnto them that are wise in their owne eyes and prudent in their owne sight LONDON Printed for Nathanael Butter 1631. The Contents of this Treatise This smal Treatise is diuided into 3 Members wherof the 1. Taketh away and vtterly disannulleth those scandalous reports which Master Foster hath in his writing most falsly and irreligiously diuulged and layd vnto my charge and withall expresseth vnto the world how vnseemely a thing it is for a man of his calling to accuse and censure his brother vniustly 2. Is diuided into 3 Partes or Chapters of the which the One doth answer particularly vnto euery obiection that Master Foster doth make in a generality for the abolishing of the Weapon-Salues vsage Other doth maintaine Theologically the Cure of the Weapon-Salue to be good and lawfull and proueth it by the authority of holy Writ to be the Gift of God and not of the Diuell Lastly demonstrateth the mystery of the weapon-salues cure by a Theophilosophicall discourse and sheweth how it is grafted or planted by God in the Treasury of Nature Last doth answer vnto each particular obiection which our Spongy Aduersary maketh against acertaine Treatise expressed by mee in my mysticall Anatomy for the prouing and maintaining of the cure by the weapon-Salue to be naturall and no way Cacomagicall Courteous Reader In the absence of the Author these faults are committed wherefore I desire you to haue recourse to this following Errata by which you may correct them In the 2. first Members PAge 25. line 11. for had beene read be p. 41. l. 20. r. Crollius l. 21. r. Gocleni ' p. 53. l. 18. f. Art r. Act p. 55. l. 13. r. Demonio l. 24. Instrument p. 62. l. 20. r. Recreantur p. 73. l. 31. r. become p. 77. l. 9. r. mare p. 78. l. 24. r. effecteth p. 79. l. 25. r. suam l. 26. exspiraret p. 87. l. 22. r. sprightfull p. 88. l. 10 r. testifie p. 91 In the margent against line the 11. ad Eccl. 48. 14. p. 93. l. 〈◊〉 f. wings r. winds p. 94. l. 7. f. he r. the p. 100. l. 23. f. subtilitate r. subtiliate p. 105. l. 2. r. discouer p. 109. l. 9 r. Pepper p. 110. l. 4. r. strucke p. 111. l. 20. r of Gods p. 135. l. 16. r. heauenly p. 136 l. 19. r. laxatiue p. 137. l. 18. r. And l. 15 r. et te l. 16. r. diuurno p. 139. l 19. r. adde so 144. l. 11. r. better In the third Member p. 4. l. 15. f. contract r. contact p. 25. l. 4. asf and l. 8. r. doef doth p. 38. l. 7. r. continued Other litterall faults the ingenious Reader w●… hope will beare withall TO THE WELL MINDED and vnpartiall READER I Did not thinke Courteous and learned Reader to haue stirred vp the puddle of this mine Aduersaries turbulent Spirit for a 3. fold reason whereof the first is his insufficiencie to vndergoe a taske of so high a nature and so farre beyond his reach or capacity namely to diue into this profound Mystery of curing by the weapon-salue and then because my learned friends obseruing his inclination vnto immorality and malice as appearing indeed more skilfull to Cauill and calumniat then to decide with grauity so weighty a controuersy gaue mee counsell to haue patience and to answer such a manner of man with Silence and lastly by reason of that reverence which I beare vnto his vocation namely as he is a minister of Gods word professing vnto the world that I would endure much rather then to haue the least opposition with any of that profession But since I haue perceiued his indiscreete importunity to extend it selfe so farre as to vrge me beyond the bounds of patience by setting vp in the night time two of the frontispices or Titles of his booke as a Challenge one each post of my doore and vnderstanding of his many other vndecent actions as well by heare say as in his publick writing wherein hee hath in a Scornefull and opprobrious manner laied disgracefull matters vnto my charge I haue beene forced against my will to take the person set●…ing with my best respect aside the Parson and his habit into my better consideration and to examine in this my small Pamphlet the misdemeanours of his Booke entituled The Sponge to wipe away the Weapon-Salue expressed both in his erroneous doctrine touching the maine subiect of that manner of curing as also his rude and vnseemely carriage towards his bretheren that thereby I may as well cleare my selfe from such immodest and vniust imputations which with an euill Conscience he hath laied vpon me as also expresfe the Shallownesse of the person in this busines which hee so vaine gloriously hath vndertaken I doubt not but as there are many who in euery degree can discerne an euident difference between this satyrical gentleman my selfe so because I know that there are diuers of the common sort of people who in their zeale without vnderstanding are apter to conceiue and iudge amisse then in their charity to ponder the truth of the businesse I am the willinger to cope with this vnsauory Philosopher whom I finde and I make no doubt shall proue fuller of windy verbosity then of solide Philosophy or any thing else that is grounded vpon firme reason What shall I say vnto the man whom vnto my best remembrance I neuer saw nor knew saue onely by a bragging smoake of rumour which pronounced me a farre off an Anathema The thunder which long smoothered in the gloomy Cloud of report is now broke forth the flame of his lightning affaileth mee What then is more conuenient and requisite then sharpe vineger to quench it yea he shall find it so acute peircing though not with rayling and calumniating edge according vnto his bitter custome but reseruing it selfe