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A19321	Another letter of Mr. A.C. to his dis-Iesuited kinseman, concerning the appeale, state, Iesuites Also a third letter of his, apologeticall for himselfe against the calumnies contained against him in a certaine Iesuiticall libell, intituled, A manifestation of folly and bad spirit, &c.	Copley, Anthony, 1567-1607?	1602 (1602)	STC 5736; ESTC S120368	72,830	84

the sea Apostolike for salue of all those sores and the Iesuites their earnest withstanding the course cleares as cleare as the Sunne the Priestes partie from all and euery so hainous imputations as being a testimoniall of a cleare conscience and much yea as much as may be to the glorie of S. Peters chaire There wanted therefore arte in the Authour touching this so speciall point of the fiction as cunning Maisters as the Iesuites are in Chymaeraes likewise in that he so sleightly and pusillanimously ouerskips D. Fishers Treatie of Schisme which is the ground of all the present Schisme Besides this Chymaericall conceipt of the Apolloger he likewise here and there taxeth verie ●…rdly the Appellants bookes as temerarious and vnsound in Religion wherein how temerarious and absurd he shewes himselfe all sincere Catholicke readers of those bookes may discerne On the other side whosoeuer shall reade their treatie of Schisme and this their Apollogie with the Appendix may well say and sweare that there was a temerarious pen indeed as well for matter of faith as of fact and so of all their other writings vpon this argument of the Appeale and the estate of our countrey and therefore let not a Iesuite become a censor of other mens writings or doings as temerarious till he haue amended and satisfied for his owne temeritie both in his doctrine of prince-killing and other disloyaltie to ones Prince and Countrey as also in libelling against innocents ambitioning rule in the Church of God and being Schismatickes therein But what tell I them of temeritie who are impudent and whose ground where they take be it euen against the holy sea is Dolus not Virtus and all manner of falshood and coggerie that may be imagined As for the latter part of the booke true it is that the Author hath shewne himselfe therein his arts or rather his crafts-maister the same consisting wholly of defamations whereof that societie hath the exactest schoole vnder heauen How orderly he fetcheth in the principall Appellants one by one and hath his obloquie to them all and how reuerently he calumniates them for all is done vpon colour of Religion and as their position is though not so their disposition In ordine ad Deum Of one he saith that his becomming scandalous he meanes for being in the Appeale is for hauing lost the Iesuiticall spirit wherewith he defameth him to haue bene sometimes attainted and so of the rest In effect all that part of the Appollogie tends to this that by deprauing of the persons of some of the principall Appellants their matter may be thought bad whereas in truth they are and euer were in the eye of all our Church and euen of Protestants so excellent men both for learning and all manner of good edification that I know not what Iesuite in the world is worthy Soluere corrigeam calciamenti eorū much lesse that may truly say Black is their eye Wherefore good Cosin if the booke chance to come to your hand do it the correction as to reade it with iudgement in so doing you shall find it no whit worthy so much as an ordinarie ciuill approbation much lesse of the Appellants answer Which notwithstanding they are in hand withall in fauour of the rude and ignorant Catholicke whom such matter with the methode proceeding from such persons as ought and are thought to be religious and the same supported by too manie more worshipfull then wise Catholickes is apt to seduce so homely offices do the Iesuites put these good men vnto who else would I wisse be a great deale better occupied Well the point of Schisme cannot by all likelihood be now long in difference it being at this instant in his Holinesse handling where how little soeuer and but bo-peeke-like the Iesuite speakes of it by his Appolloger he must be forced to say therein what he can or dare and that in the audience of all the world and so to his shame I doubt not so litle doubt I of his Holinesse high prudence and prouidence in so important a matter as it is importing the peace both of our Church and Countrey and the rather for that his Holinesse can not choose but see the eyes of all Christendome vpon him in this behalfe besides the infinite prayers of zelous Catholickes throughout England concurring hereunto at Gods hands Great was the iudgement and goodnesse of God that whereas the Iesuites had abused the Sea Apostolicke by their so surreptiue procurement of the Archpriestship at his Holinesse hands they in the same irreligious spirit of theirs to administer that authoritie no lesse abusiuely as by libell and vniust censures against innocent Priests whereby to deserue to be cited as now they are to the barre of Iustice both concerning the one and the other which else peraduenture had not come to passe so much was their latter act not onely Peccatum ex se but also Poena peccati to the former according to that of S. Augustine in his confessions Domine tu inssisti sic est vt poena sua sibi sit omnis inordinatus appetitus Which being so what a folly and shame is it that the Iesuites not being here in our Church and Countrey a partie able of themselues for all the power of Spaine to make good the offence that our fathers of the Seminaries must thus abbet them one against another and so highly to their owne iniurie and disgrace Call ye it a meeke spirit to be so humble or rather is it not basenesse and treason to the Catholicke cause as well as to themselues as great as may be imagined Call ye this Iohn Gersons imitation of Christ or is this an autenticke cariage of his Crosse This if euer any is meere dispersion and not aggregation subuersion and not edification pusillanimitie and not zeale and valour in the cause of God Which notwithstanding the Iesuites quaile and are rather retrograde then onward in the quarrell it being so very vniust as it is There is no question and we know it well that both with their teeth and nailes they still labour to hinder the businesse from the Apostolike Barre wherein they do but condemne themselues and their cause afore hand inasmuch as stood they vpon a good ground they should rather reioyce to see their innocenc●…e so called in question and examined to Gods honour and theirs in the foyle of the Appellants who on the other side were they not most innocent from Schisme and all other their aduersaries imputations is it likely that they would euer haue engaged their existimations their friends yea and their liues as they haue done at so high and austere a Barre as that of S. Peters Was it euer seene that the man of a guiltie conscience would prosecute a triall and that with so many miles trauell as from England to Rome by sea and by land farre from all friends and against a profest and mightie enemie who seekes nothing more then his death such as the Isuites

were I of their counsell I would wish them to spare to see how far the Iesuiticall presumption would wage against the Sea-Apostolicke and wrangle with it As for the point of Schisme discided you may see by it how erroneous a societie these Loyolians are and how no assurance it hath at all of the holy Ghost wherein it vaunts it selfe so equal with the Pope and a general Councell seeing the holy Ghost hath herin so iudicially condemned it Also you may see by this how corrupt a man the Archpriest is who in so grosse an errour bringing schisme with it could let himselfe be so instrumentally led by those fathers against his owne deare brethren of the Seminaries and the famous vniuersitie of Paris all for a litle fopperie of Prelature and how in this respect he is most vnworthy of the same Lastly you may see herby that Brag is not alwayes a good dogge nor yet the inquisition nor the gallies of force against innocence as the Iesuits presumed especially where the holy Ghost sits in iudgement Be this good Cosin all our comfort till we see farther of the Appeale toward which take ye this peece of a letter from a gentleman in Rome as a handsil or in part of good speed in the meane time against the still flying falsheads of the Iesuiticall in the earth in the sea in the ayre A peece of a Letter of an English Gentleman in Rome to a friend of his in France of the same Date FVrthermore whereas the Priests in consideration that father Parsons had spred so many foule speeches of them abroad demaunded of his Holinesse that the said father Parsons should set downe in writing all he had to say against them to the end they might in like sort answer and cleare themselues and that in thirtie dayes respite he had giuē vp what he could say the Pope vnderstāding all said that he was already satisfied touching al those points by that which he had heard before and so not suffering these accusations to come vnto the Priests hands imposed there an end of such calumnies By this you may see the Priests matter goes forward with honour and iust reputation and I hope shall haue no worse end their demaunds being reasonable the Cardinals iust and the Ambassadours countenance and fauour so singular that they feare no oppression nor doubt but that iustice will preuaile c. M. Bluet is expected shortly at Paris with his Holinesse Breue aforesaid for England and M. Doctor Bagshaw goes to Rome in his place where I feare me he shall not find father Cowbucke forthcomming he being as it is credibly reported imbezelled away from thence by his Generall or rather flat run away vpon a notable check lately giuen him by his Holinesse The Apollogie is answered in Lorraine by M. Doctor Elie and there are some of the bookes readie bound and prest for England by the next Post. To conclude all our newes being hitherto so good and so autenticke verities as they are and the rest that follow after like to proue no lesse let vs beleeue and applaud them and as for those that will not as being Bettle-blinded with the Iesuiticall and Archipresbyteriall-mist away with them Cosin to the next market God saue the Catholicke Church the Queene and her Estates and graunt vs his peace Amen A THIRD LETTER OF Mr. A. C. Appologeticall for himselfe against the calumnies contained against him in a certaine Iesuiticall libell intituled A manifestation of follie and bad spirit c. MY very good Cosin I euer thought that your diuulging my former Letter to you in print would bring me into the spheare of Iesuitical obloquie insomuch as I haue hourely since the edition thereof looked and listened for their contumelies against me which now at last they haue from a full gorge discharged but withall against so full innocence and secure a conscience I thanke God as the shame shall returne vnto themselues Not that I rest cleare neuerthelesse from condemnation in the eye of God and mine owne conscience for a misdemeaned and sinfull life otherwise then whereof this Iesuit impeacheth me for which I may iustly say with the royall Prophet Peccatum meum contra me est semper Ecce enim in iniquitatibus conceptus sum c. And againe Delicta iuuentutis meae ne memineris Domine Yet as touching these his imputations I boldly may and do giue him the lie to the honour of God and your satisfaction and that by protestation except what shall be excepted being exceeding glad and that as I hope in the holy Ghost to be thus onerated and consequently honored with Iesuiticall slaunder with and for so many holy Seminaries and Saints as they haue so serued and daily do nay with and for my most holy mother the Catholike Church whose sacred Hierarchie they no lesse contumeliously impugne Oh Cosin how highly am I bound to God who hath thus respected and exalted the indignitie of these my yonger yeares and lay vocation to deserue ill at the hands of so inward enemies to his eternall spouse and her best members Why may I not hope in this respect that were I as I am the vilest sinner in the world much amends is made therefore vnto my heauenly father And so I take it knowing them to be for the most part at leastwise here in our Church flat schismatickes and seducers and for such alreadie partly condemned by the holy Ghost as by my last to you you vnderstood and also expresse Spanish enemies to our Princesse and Country in regard whereof how litle credit they deserue to haue in any matter especially matter of reproch which is the subiect whereupon they are reprooued at Rome on the behalfe of our Appellants I leaue to your consideration Which aduantage notwithstanding I for my part will not take against them in this my Appollogie to you hauing innocence inough on my side which hath notably layd them open to my reproofe and execution otherwise as now ensuingly you may reade and perceiue Thus then he begins There followeth in the number of these libels one set forth by A. C. intituled An answer to a letter of a Iesuited Gentleman c. See you not Cosin how this fellow euen in the front of his reproches contradicts himselfe in affirming me for a Libeller notwithstanding that he acknowledgeth my name to the booke vz. A. C. which two letters was inough for a Catholicke writing vpon an argument so litle pleasing to the present state and time whereby to be exempt from the note of a Libeller vnlesse I would by setting downe my name at large haue wilfully braued the ciuil-power and penall laws and said thereto as it were Loe I the man come attach me and do the worst ye can It sufficeth that in my originall to you my name was at large as you and it yet extant I suppose in your hands can both witnesse so as your doing it as you haue done 〈◊〉 in the printed

vnion to the Catholicke Church which was in Anno 1583. by the hand of old and good M. Woodward in Rone in Normandie I neuer either in schismaticall or hereticall word deed or assent scandalized the same but haue euer held and reputed such my Religion as the apple of my eye and as a brooch pledge piller and seale of saluation to my soule Yea rather then I will euer vpon temptation of the flesh the world or the diuell disparage my selfe herein to the Catholike Church I trust in God to endure a thousand deaths In testimony of which my Catholike cōscience I here by these presents auow the same vnto you good cosin and to as many as may happen to reade this letter praying you and them to beare me record hereof at the latter day when all flesh shall arise to iudgement If the actuals of my life haue not bin so conformable to this my professed faith as they ought it hath bene my extreme frailtie I confesse for which God I thanke that he hath left medicinable Sacraments in the Church whereby I may rise and renew me from time to time yet sure I am that to dislike of so schismaticall and trecherous preuaricators as Iesuites are at this day both to our Church and countrey and to oppose against them as such with al my abilitie with and for the sacred Seminaries my true spirituall fathers is no wayes an act of ill life so much as veniall much lesse Apostacie from God and all pietie but the cleane contrarie that is Catholicke and bounden dutie in the highest degree Let therfore this libelling Iesuit looke into his owne conscience and checke these his slanderous imputations to me first there and then to the world-ward and as for his satisfaction to me he shall find it easie at my hands who do daily pray God to forgiue me my trespasses as I forgiue all trespasses against me Till when let him not vaunt as aboue ye haue read of atimorous conscience to affirme things that he knowes not for certaine especially if tending to the reproch of any and in religious humilitie think himselfe as all men ought the veriest sinner of all others And finally his deadly and diuellish hatred to Iesuits in generall and to father Parsons in especiall to whom notwithstanding he was wont to professe great obligation for his spirituall good as he is not ashamed to conclude thus of him In briefe if he haue bene a Iudas to Gods Church and his country to the disparage of the Seminaries c. That I being so verie Catholicke as you haue heard do hate Iesuits as Iesuites that is as they ought to be good religious men according to their institution and their founders rules confirmed priuiledged so indulgently by holy Church is another falsitie and I repute it as a slander Marie that I hate them as men generally debaucht and digressed from their principles and consequently as most scandalous transgressors this I acknowledge to be verie true and my dutie as I am a Catholike being withall sory euen in my soule and with my hart for the honour of my holy mother the Church that there can be a religious societie in it so scandalous as this aswell to all her children and friends as to her foes but specially in a Church so much vnder execution as this our English is Yea so farre forth I am sorie herefore as that to redeeme the same I take God to witnes I would willingly endure a manie Anathemaes both temporall and corporall in this world Gods grace and loue reserued And as for father Cowbucke I denie and maligne him not the credit of his booke called the Resolution but do agnize his paines therein taken whether as a collector or but as a translator to be meritorious and fruitefull and in particular my selfe to haue bene more then somewhat profited thereby in spirite in the time of my catecumenage and so also haue manie bene by Buchanans seuen Psalmes who notwithstanding became himselfe an Apostata in the end Other either spirituall or temporall debt to him or his societie I acknowledge none but the cleane contrarie that is disgusts and iniuries both to my selfe as A. C. and also as I am a member of the Catholicke Church and my countrey either of which that Societie but especially this man haue notoriously scandalized and preiudiced In which respect I might iustly distast and impeach them in my former letter to you as I did in maner of an Appollogie for the Seminaries to whom in all duties both to our Church and countrey we are chiefly indebted And if haply they haue erred in anie thing to the hurt of either of them it hath bene in bringing in of Iesuits and giuing them here the countenance they haue to the discountenancing of themselues and generally of the Catholicke cause through their ingratitude singularity and auarice Being which maner of men and therefore iustly banisht out of France and distasted of the most part of Christendome how is it that their reproch may be a blemish to any or rather not their praise a reproch Truly Cosin if they hold on as they haue begun and that withall the world by their meanes grow not worse then it is alreadie I do not doubt but we shall see it so ere long if they be not cassierd the sooner so much is their corruption exorbitant and readie to runne ouer Good God that such a societie of men after so many scandals and foule deserts of theirs in France and elsewhere for Prince-killing sedition c. can be thus of credit in England where also they haue assayed no lesse and daily do before our eyes besides their present schisme in our Church whereas the Seminariesouer and aboue the high honor of their secular and pastorall priesthood and their instiution thus for the shamble in Gods cause and for our soules like vowed good shepheards are truly good men and our good fathers in all aswell moral as spirituall practise gatherers not dispersers with whom to be afflicted by the Iesuits and our common aduersaries highly we ought to hold it a glorie to God and vs and as for my owne part I do reputing this Libellers contumelies against me for their sakes for such being glad that you amongest other my good kinsemen and friends are so open eyed standing vpon your honor to be wise and vertuous as to discerne not onely a Iesuits grosse and goutie faults as for example a lie but also his finer and quintessenced gulleries as daily now you do You may see and be glad to see it how farre these fathers are alreadie chased by ours that like a foxe almost spent in the hunting they haue now no other shift for the life of their schisme then to bepisse their tailes and besprinkle therewith the hounds that are readie to fasten on them in the eyes wherewith if it may be to put them off Such foxe-like pissing-shift is this Manifester his quil-full oflice vz. expresse

of that singularitie wherein a Iesuite will be called forsooth a father albeit his societie be the purest order in the Church of God fie on such fatherhood so rooted so fruited Were I not a Catholicke I should be proud I promise ye of such a fathers reproch and malediction which in the integritie of my Catholicke conscience I asmuch scorne at their hands as I scorne to be any whit depending of their good word for my reputation they being such prodigious schismatickes as they are to our Church traitors to our Countrey and as it seemes most professed liers at whose hands how can a praise but stinke and a reproch but resent most sweetly Briefe will you know why thus this father lies His father was a plough-lob full of lice And be a groome who at euery ale-pot lies He eke did lie with his owne sister twice Whereby he did become his nephews Sire And therewithall a famous father-lyre At least if I do dot mistake the Squire See what it is to be a mis-begotten It mis-begets againe forgetting cleane All manner of measure saue the onely pott●… And makes a very sister a very queane Fie on that pen as also on that other That can defloure the honour of a brother Weening with bastard-wees the shame to smother Hauing thus Apollogetically and plainely as you see and withall as briefly as I can exonerated my selfe vnto you of this Iesuits libellious imputations I here promise you vpon occasion thereof to present you and all the world ere long with a Manifestation of the Iesuiticall common-wealth whereby you shall plainly see vpon what maner of props it subsists God defend that my conscience and my pen should not therein meerely intend Gods glorie the good of his Church and of my Country so as I may and will boldly shew my face without any manner of wees or namelesse vizard and be knowne to be of Sion by my voice against such inward Babylonians as they are My Ordo ad Deum in that Treatie shall be such and my face so manifest doing it propter bonum societatis vz for her reformation if it please God that scratch it what Iesuit soeuer list my conscience and the approbation of all good men wil heale it as fast For there are Stapletons and Wrights inough in the world who haue gone in amongst them and come forth againe noting their pollution My stile shal be as you see plaine but ciuil and honest and better crossed and blessed of God I trust then to blunder out a falshood for a world There will not want truths inough and too manie in their reproofe though I pray not a lie in aide The contents of the booke I send you herewith as a fore-tast or ante-past or Antelope thereunto We leaue him to Gods iudgement and so an end of that Shall we still take a Iesuite for an honest or ciuill man withall his faults Might he not aswell and better and more Catholickely haue left me to Gods mercies at least if he thinke himselfe a sinner too and needing the same aswell as I or did I euer lie with my sister drink my selfe drunke in his cup or write nineteene lies against anie mans good name in but two leaues of paper why he should thus leaue me to Gods iudgement or if I had why not rather to his mercies Call ye it charitie so to leaue a man to God knowing Quam horribile est incidere in manus Dei viuentis videntis or is his owne innocence such that he is able to answer God in his accusations vnum pro mille In few is this wished like a good father or is this diliges proximum tuum tanquam teipsum firsty your self to condemne your brother for an Apostata from God and all pietie c. and then also to leaue him to Gods iudgement vnlesse haply you acknowledge your said iudgement rash and vniust and therefore would referre him to God to iudge him better No no this is Iesuiticall vncharitie and agreeable to that of father Cowbucke his presaging my necke to be broken adowne the Alpes manie yeares ago as afore is touched who liue yet notwithstanding and as I hope in Gods blessings for all I dislike a Iesuit which to conclude I do not see how I am not bound to do in the behalfe of our true spirituall fathers the secular Priests whom hauing bene euer stagers in Gods Church these vpstarts would supplant by robbing them of their Pastorall and paternal honours which must not be neither yet they to betray our countrey to Spaine In either of which quarrels I for my part do hold it as twice before I said an honour to be with our said fathers afflicted by these false fathers and do meane by Gods help like a true Catholike souldier to maintaine my stand in the one and like a true English in the other on their behalfe Do you the like good Cosin and euerie good English Catholike besides considering the foes we deale withall are brazen-faced and all their braue is in the Austrich feather Fare ye well Postscript MAister D. Elyes answer which in my former letter I foretold ye was forthcomming to the Iesuitical Apollogie is now come ouer intituled His notes vpon the same wherein he hath shewne himselfe the excellent good man he is and euer was in zeale of Gods Church and the Seminaries honor of which letter he is a baze or fundamentall stone Which notwithstanding a larger answer to the said Appollogie is in hand by the Priests here at home and verie shortly forthcomming With these notes of M. D. Elies is combined M. D. Bagshaw his Appollogie for his good name as also D. Bishops and M. Pagets wherunto the Iesuiticall lies and libels haue driuen them there aswell as me and others here at home the booke I send ye herewith The Appendix is likewise in answering and as for the Manifestation the answer thereto is alreadie finished and readie for the presse The newes from Rome is as by this peece of a letter from a speciall gentleman in Paris of instant date in answer to a letter of M. Watsons vnto him you may perceiue M. Bluet is on the way hitherward from whom we haue had no letters these two last Posts Onely it is assured vs from Rome that Parsons is condemned the maner and particularities thereof we haue not as yet M. Bluets arriuall will affoord it vs all and giue vs all cause to reioyce The rest of thē stay as I think there still for so it is held expedient for the farther state of the businesse I am glad to heare that the book lately printed here is so wel accepted of amōg you there at home as I see no reason why it should not considering who they were that penned it and this is asmuch as is to be written from hence at this time touching common affaires Now for the rest c. By this Cosin you may see what a monstrous gull or foist that of