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A56213	The substance of a speech made in the House of Commons by Wil. Prynn of Lincolns-Inn, Esquire, on Munday the fourth of December, 1648 touching the Kings answer to the propositions of both Houses upon the whole treaty, whether they were satisfactory, or not satisfactory : wherein the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the propositions for settlement of a firm lasting peace, and future security of the subjects against all feared regall invasions and encroachments whatsoever is clearly demonstrated ... and that the armies remonstrance, Nov. 20, is a way to speedy and certain ruine ... / put into writing, and published by him at the importunate request of divers members, for the satisfaction of the whole kingdome, touching the Houses vote upon his debate.	Prynne, William, 1600-1669.	1649 (1649)	Wing P4093; ESTC R38011	126,097	147

the question now debating I shall with the greater boldness crave liberty to discharge my conscience towards God and duty to my dying country which now lies at stake and so much the rather because for ought I know it may be the last time I shall have freedome to speak my minde within this House That I may in this great debate more sincerely speak my very heart and soul without any prejudice I shall humbly crave leave briefly to remove two seeming prejudices which may perchance in some members opinions inervate the strength of those reasons I shal humbly represent unto you to make good my conclusion touching the satisfactorinesse of the Kings answers to the Houses Propositions The first is that wherewith some Members have upon another occasion the last week and now again tacitely aspersed me That I am a Royal Favorite alluding to the title of one of my books out of which some have collected an abstract in nature of a charge against the King and this day published it in my name and am now turned an Apostate to the Kings party and interest To which I shall return this short answer I hope without any vain-glory or boasting being thus provoked thereunto That I have opposed and written against the King and his Prelates Arbitrary power illegal proccedings more then any man That I have suffered from the King and Prelates for this my opposition more then any man That if the King and Prelates be ever restored to their pristine Arbitrary power and illegall prerogative I must expect to suffer from them as much if not more then any man That all the Royal favour I ever yet received from his Majesty or his Partie was the cutting off both my ears two several times one after another in a most barbarous manner the setting me upon three severall pillories at Westminster and in Cheapside in a disgraceful manner each time for two houres space together stigmatizing on both cheeks the burning of my licenced books before my face by the hand of the hangman the imposing of two fines upon me of 50001.2 peece expulsion out of the Innes of Court and University of Oxford and degradation in both the losse of my calling almost nine yeares space the seisure of my Bookes and Estate above eight years imprisonment in several prisons at least 4 of these years spent in close imprisoment and exile in CARNARV AN in Northwales and in the lsle of IERSEY where I was debarred the use of pen inke paper and all books almost but the Bible with the least accesse of any friend without any allowance of diet for my support And all this for my good service to the State in opposing Popery and Regall Tyranny for all which sufferings and losses I never yet received one farthing recompence from the King or any other though I have waited above 8 years at your doors for justice and reparations and neglecting my own private calling and affairs imployed most of my time studies and expended many hundred pounds out of my purse since my inlargement to maintain your cause against the King his Popish and Prelaticall party For all which cost and labour I never yet demanded nor received one farthing from the Houses nor the least office or preferment whatsoever though they have bestowed divers places of honour upon persons of less or no desert nor did I ever yet receive so much as your publike thanks for any publike service ●on you which every preacher usually receives for every Sermon preached before you most others have received for the meanest services though I have brought you off with honor in the cases of Cant. and Macg. when you were at a loss in both cleared the justness of your cause when it was at the lowest ebb to most reformed Churches abroad who received such satisfaction fro my books that they translated them into several languages ingaged many thousands for you at home by my writings who were formely dubious unsatisfied Now if any Member or old Courtier whatsoever shal envy my happiness for being such a royal or State favorite as this I wish he may receive no other badges of Royall favour from his Majesty nor greater reward or honor from the Houses then I have done and then I beleeve he will no more causlesly asperse or suspect me for being now a Royal favourite or Apostate from the publike cause True it is which it behoves me now to touch that about 4 years since I published a Book entituled The Royal Popish Favorite wherein as likewise in my Hidden works of Darknesse brought to publique light published a year after it I did with no little labour and expence discover to the world the severall plots and proceedings of the Iesuites Papists and their forraign and domesticke confederates to introduce and set up Popery throughout England Scotland and Ireland and how farre they had inveagled the K. not only to connive at but to countenance and assist them in a great measure more fully evidently then any else had done And those worthy Members of this House who drew up that Declaration whereupon they voted No more Addresses to the King plowed but with my heyfer borrowing all or most of their real materials from my writings A convincing evidence that I am yet no more a Royal favourite then themselves Yet this I must adde withall to take off that aspersion of being an Apostate from my first principles that I never published those Books as I then professed in them and now again protest to scandalize or defame the King or alienate the peoples affections from him much lesse to depose or lay him quite aside though I am clear of opinion that Kings are accountable for their Actions to their Parliaments and whole kingdoms and in case of absolute necessity where Religion Laws Liberties and their kingdoms will else be inevitably destroyed by their Tyrannicall and flagitious practises be deposed by them if there be no speciall oaths nor obligations upon their consciences to the contrary which is our present case much less did I it out of any malice or revenge for the injustice I received from him in the executions done upon my person and estate which I have long since cordially forgiven and do now again forgive him from my soul beseeching God to forgive him likewise but meerly to discover his former errours in this kinde unto himselfe that he might seriously repent of them for the present and more carefully avoid and detest them for time to come and that the Parliament and whole kingdom might more clearly discern the great danger our Religion was in before we publikely discerned it and the several wayes and stratagems by which Popery got such head and growth among us that they might thereby the better prevent the like plots and dangers for the future by wholesom Laws and edicts as I have more largely declared in the books themselves This grand prejudice against me being

being thereby abolished and extirpated his power of Ordination must be destroyed with his Function as well as suspended All which considered I cannot but conclude the Kings finall Answer as to the Office of and Ordination by Bishops to be compleatly satisfactory to our demands And so much the rather because the King in this particular of Ordination pleads only dissatisfaction in polnt of Conscience for closing with us in this seeming punctilio and if it were not meerly Conscience though some have over rashly censured it for a meer pretence to keep up Bishops still he that hath granted and yeelded us the greater would never contest with us for the lesser nor go so far in the abolition of Episcopacy as he hath done And truly I doubt not but His Majesty by conference may soon be satisfied in this point Nay had his own Divines dealt faithfully with him in the Isle of Wight He might have beene easily satisfied in this particular in which I doubt not by Gods blessing to undertake to satisfie him both in point of Episcopacy that it is in all things the same with Presbytery and that the ordination of Presbyters and Ministers by divine Right belongs only to Presbyters as such and not to Bishops as Bishops who for above a thousand years after Christ claimed the chief but not the sole interest in it not by divine Right and Authority but meerly by Canons and Custom long after the Apostles time which I have proved at large long since in my Vnbishoping of Timothy and Titus which none of the Bishops or their Patrons ever yet attempted to answer though I particularly challenged them to do it Only this I shall now say in brief for some satisfaction in the point to other Members 1. That there is no one Text of Scripture to prove that Bishops Iure divine are distinct from Presbyters in any thing much less in this particular of having a negative Voice or sole or principall interest as Bishops so distinguished in the power of Ordination● but a direct Text to the contrary 1 Tim. 4. 14 to omit others 2 That the pretence of impropriating Ordination to Bishops distinct from Presbyters by divine Right is grounded upon these two gross mistakes that Timothy and Titus were Bishops properly so called the one of Ephesus the other of Crete and that this power of ordaining Elders was vested in them quatenus Bishops only and not otherwise by divine institution for proof of the first the Postscript● of Pauls Epistles to them and no one Text of Scripture are cited and the 1 Tim. 5. 22. Tit. 1. 5. relating only to Ordination for the latter But it is clear as the noon-day Sun by Scripture that Timothy was never a Bishop properly so called much lesse the first or sole Bishop of Ephesus as is evident by sundry texts especially by Act. 20. 4 5 6 15 17 18 21 29 30 31. compared together nor Titus a Bishop properly so termed distinct from a Presbyter much lesse the first or sole Bishop of Crete nor do either of those texts prove that they had the power of Ordination by divine Right vested in them two meerly as Bishops distinct from or superiour to Presbyters as I have undenyably manifested in my Vnbishoping of Timothy and Titus And as for the Postscripts to these Epistles terming Timothy ordained first Bishop of Ephesus and Titus of Crete they are no part of the text first extant in and invented by Occumenius none of the authentickst Authors above 1050 years after Christ and annexed only to the end of his Commentary on those Epistles not adjoyned to the Text and they are not only omitted in most Manuscripts and printed Editions and Translations of these Epistles but apparently false in themselves as I have at large demonstrated in some printed Books Therefore this point of conscience may soone be satisfied 3 That no Bishops for 1200 years after Christ did ever claim the chief power in Ordination by any Divine Right as Bishops but meerly by Canons or Custom long after the Apostles and that in the Primitive times before any re●●riction by Councels Presbyters in many places did not only ordain Ministers and Deacous without Bishops and Bishops never but jointly with Presbyters but likewise ordaine Bishops themselves as Ierome Epiphanius Augustine and others assure us and sometimes joined in the consecration and enstallment of Popes themselves and Archbishops for defect of Bishops 4. That it is the constant tenent of all the eminentest Protestant Divines and some learned Papists too and the practice of all the reformed Churches that the Divine right of Ordination belongs originally to the whole Church but ministerially to Presbyters as such not to Bishops as Bishops and that which undeniably clears it up to mee is this That in the New Testament wee find both Apostles some of the 70 Disciples Evangelists and Presbyters equally ordaining Elders or Presbyters but not any one who is once in Scripture stiled a Bishop either conferring orders upon any much lesse eonomine jure as a Bishop And since the Apostles time wee find in point of use and practice Popes Patriarchs Archbishops Metropolitans Cardinalls Abbots in some places who are not Iure Divino nor Bishops properly so called but distinguished from them in degree ordaining Presbyters and Ministers as well as Bishops quatenus Bishops and that never by themselves but all by the Presbyters joint concurrence then present who by the fourth Councell of Carthage the Canon law the very Canons of Trent also and our owne book of Ordination and our Canons ought also to join with them in the Ordination Now all these distinct Orders and Degrees claiming and exercising this power by a Divine Right and many of their Functions being confessed not to be of Divine Right as Popes Patriarchs Archbishops Metropolitans Abbots and Chorall Bishops who yet ordain and these alwaies necessarily calling Presbyters who are clearly of Divine Right to join with them in their Ordination and not doing it alone is an unanswerable proof to me that they all concur in this action in no other right or notion at all but meerly as they are Presbyters in which they all accord and have one and the same authority not in their own capacities wherein they are all discriminated and are not all of Divine but only of humane institution Presbyters quà Presbyters being the properest persons to ordain others of their owne degree and function as Doctors of Divinity law and Physick in the Universities create Doctors of their severall Professions and Bishops consecrate Bishops and Archbishops even as a man begets a man of his own quality and degree and all other creatures generate those of their own kind without the concurrence of any her distinct species paramount them As for the Angel of the Church of Ephesus much insisted on in the Isle of Wight to prove an Episcopacy Iure Divino distinct from Presbytery I never read that this Angell ordained

presented a Petition to both Houses to resettle their Militia as before being in a ful and free house setled withont any dissenting Votes by al their consents which was seconded by a Petition from the Apprentises who being over-earnest offered some unarmed violence to the Houses and got the Ordinance of repeal nulled and the Militia resetled as formerly Hereupon they perswaded the Army to March up speedily to London not onely without but against the Houses Order not to Quarter within forty miles of the City to protect the Houses from any further violence to bring the Authors of this force to speedy and exemplary punishment and restpre the Houses to a condition of honour freedome and safety and that by offering a greater force to the Members who continued sitting in the absence of those who repaired to and ingaged with them then that of the Aps prentises driving the eleven Members formerly impeached out of the House Kingdom expelling them others out of the House forceing away most of the Commons nulling al Votes Orders and Ordinances from Iuly 26. to August 6. after that marched through London in Triumph broke down all their Forts and works about the City tooke the Tower out of their possession divided the Militia of Westminster and Southwarke from them impeached imprisoned sundry Aldermen and others who appeared most active for the Parliament from the beginning impeached suspended imprisoned seven Lords at once for sundry months together afterwards released without any prosecution And by this meanes raised such a breach between the City and Houses sets the Members one against another and put such a stand to their proceedings by these disturbances in the Parliaments Army as they could never effect before by all their military power forces Now lay al these distempers procedings together compare them with the Armies late Remonstrance Declaratiō Menaces present March to London to force and levy War against the Houses their Members in case they concurred not with them in their Jesuiticall whimsies and desingnes and we shal find them all so opposite repugnant to the Armies former obedience professions and principles so sutable to the Jesuites practises in every particular al tending onely to force and dissolve this present Parliament to null and invalid its proceedings and weaken al its interest both in the City and Country And then every rationall man must needs acknowledge they all originally spurng from Jesuitical suggestions and Counsels and that Ignatius Loyala then and now rode in an open and triumphall Chariot in the Van of these and all their late actions of this nature Adde to this that the Monstrous opinions broached publiquely and privately in the Army and their quarters against the Divinity of the Scriptures the Trinity the D●ity of our Saviour That Antichrist is only within us That conscience ought to be free and all Religions tolerated That every man is a Minister and may lawfully preach without ordination That the civill Majestrate hath no legislative nor coercive power in matters of Religion That titles are Antichristian and the like seconded with publique affronts to our Ministers climing up into their Pulpits interruping them publiquely in their Sermons and making our Churches common Stables in some places and receptacles of their excrements their open revilings at the proceedings of Parliam and their Members and all to render our Religion and the professors of it odious to the people to make them readier and better inclined nnto Popery disgrace and undoe our Ministers and render them and their preaching in effectuall subvert the power of our Magistracy make the houses odious to all and put all things into a present confusion I am confident all these were nothing else but the projects and practises of Jesuits and their agents who crept into the Army to feduce and distemper them being so diametrically contrary to the Generalls Officers and Soldiers former practises principles professions and that piety they have professed But that which further demonstrates it is this That after the Generall Officers of the Army had confessed their error * in medling with * State affaires settling reforming the Common-wealth in the * General Councell at Putney where they voted acted more like a Parliam then a Councell of War promised to proceed no futher in it but acquiesce with the houses determinations these Jesuits by the help of their instrumēts the Agitators to carry on their design of putting a speedy period to the present all future Parliaments draw up a moddle of a new Representive which they intituled The Agreement of the people subscribed by divers Regiments of the Army 9 of horse and 7 of foot and then caused it to be presented to the house of Commons in November 1647. The matter end and time of it conpared together and the houses votes upon it are very considerable and discover a Jesuit in the front and reare of it We all know that the Jesuits and their popish confederats ever since Queen Elizabeths Reign when so many strict laws were made against have had an aking tooth against Parliaments Their first and most disperate attempt was in the third year of King Iames to blow up the K. and both houses of Parliament with Gunpowder the orginall plotters of this horrid Treason were the Pope and Jesuits as is clear by Del Roi. his book other printed papers almost a year before the chiefe actors in it were discontented Gentlemen and Souldiers Catesby Percy Winter Faux and others as our stories relate fit instruments to blow up Parliaments The day when this was to be executed was the fift of November but this treason being through Gods great mercy discovered on that day the King and Parliament adjudged these Iesuits and Popish Traytors to be executed and that day by Act of Parliament to be perpetually observed for a Thanksgiving day of this happy deliverance from that treason The Jesuites who have broken off all former Parliaments in this Kings reigne till this and would eternally dissolve this and all succeeding Parliaments by way of revenge for their ill successes then have these two last yeares together in this very moneth of November conspired to blow up or pull down this and all other Parliaments so as the very circumstance of the moneth and time discovers in my apprehension the Jesuites to be chiefe actors in this tragedy The first attempt of this kind was on the fift of November 1647. the very day of the powder plot but by the Houses occasions put off till the 9th Then the Agreement of the People was ushered into the House of Commons with a Petition by the Agitators when this Agreement of the people and Petition was presented Gifford a Staffordshire Gent. and a Jesuite a yeare before sent from beyond the Seas who at first seigned himselfe a convert to our Religion was present in the lobby with the Agitators and promoted it all he could