In short If the holy Ancients had Faith before they had and wrote Scrâ—…pture they had a Rule before they had or wrote Scripture for where Faith is there is a Rule for that Faith And if the Faith be of one Nature the Rule is of one Nature And since the Faith is Inward Spiritual begotten of the Immortal Word in which is Life and that the Light of men and that this Word Life and Light was the Rule then no more Book Writing or ingraving on visible and perishable Matter can be the Rule now Again Such as the Faith is such must the Rule be But the Faith is as before Inward and Spirual therefore the Rule must be Inward and spiritual which no meer Book can be 2. If the Scriptures were the Rule they must have always been a perfect Rule ever since they were a Rule But this is impossible since they were many hundred years in writing and are now imperfect also as to Number How then the perfect Rule That they were not the Perfect Rule before they were written must be granted and that they were many hundred Years awriting must also be allowed and that they are imperfect now as to Number I prove First Enoch's Prophecy is mentioned by Jude but not extant in the Bible the Books of the Wars of the Lord Numb 21. 14. The Book of Jasher Josh. 10. 13. 2 Sam. 1. 18. The Book of Nathan 2 Chron. 9. 29. The Book of Shemaiah 2 Chron. 12. 15. The Book of Jehu The Epistle of Paul to the Laodiceans Collos. 4. 16. and several others mentioned in the Scriptures not now extant And lastly Luke sayes That many took in hand to relate from Eye-Witnesses the things most surely believed c. Now 't is taken for granted that John wrote many Years after Luke Some think Luke wrote before Mark However Matthew and Mark were not many and to this day we see no more then those four in our Bibles and therefore many such Writings lost and if lost then the Scriptures not perfect and if imperfect how can they be the Rule of Faith since the Rule of Faith must be perfect 3. My third Reason is this The Scriptures however useful to Edification and Comfort seem not in their own Nature and Frame to have been compil'd and delivered as the Rule and intire Body of Faith but rather upon particular Occasions and Emergencies The Doctrines are scattered throughout the Scriptures insomuch that those Societies who have given forth verbal Confessions of their Faith have been necessitated to toss them to and fro search here and search there to lay down this or the other Principle and then as like the original Text as their Apprehensions are whereas were it as plain and distinct as the Nature of a Rule requires they needed only to have given their Subscription for a Confession Besides here they are Proper there Metaphorical in one place Literally in another Mystically to be accepted Most times Points are to be prov'd by comparing and weighing Places coherent here to allude aptly and not wrong the Sense is difficult and requires infallible Discerning notwithstanding the Brawlers of our times against Infallibility Now from all this with abundance more that might be said plain it is that the Scriptures are not plain but to the spiritual man but as Peter said of Paul s Writings in many things hard to be understood therefore not the Rule which ought to be plain proper and intelligible 4. Again the Scripture cannot be the Rule of Faith because it cannot give Faith for Faith is the Gift of God which overcomes the World neither of Practice because it cannot distinguish of it self in all Cases what ought to be practised and what not it containing as well what ought not to be practised as what ought This was the Case of Christ's Disciples who had no particular Rule in the old Testament Writings for the abolishing of some part of the old Testament Religion on the contrary they might have pleaded for the Perpetuity of it because Christ said unto them Do as they say that sit in Moses ' s Chair more reasonably then many make that a Plea now adayes for their invented Worships What guided them in their declaring void and relinquishing those things For Instance God gave Circumcision as a Sign for ever And Paul tells the Galatians That if they be circumcised Christ should profit them nothing Was not this the Spirit of Truth that leads into all Truth that they made the Judge and Rule of their Doctrine and Practices So James and the Assembly of the Apostles when they said It seemâ—…th good to the Holy Ghost and to us c. 5. These very men that say it is the Rule of Faith and Life deviate in their Proof from their Assertion for the Scriptures no where say so of themselves He that flyes to Meanings and Interpretations The Question arises not about the Truth of the Text for that is agreed on on all hands but the Exposition of it If then I yield to that Man do I bow to the Letter of the Text or to his Interpretation If the Latter as manifestly I do is the Scripture or that Man's Sense of it my Rule Nay the Person so interpreting makes not the Scripture his Rule but his own Apprehension whatever he may say to gain Credit to his Conceptions in others then Mine it must needs be I consenting thereto 6. How shall I be assured that these Scriptures came from God I am bound to try all things If all things then Them amongst the rest I would fain know what I must try them with with the Scriptures Then the Scriptures must be the Rule of my Examination and Faith concerning themselves which is improper If with the Spirit that gave them forth that searcheth the deep things of God a measure of which is given to me to profit withal Then is it most congruous to call the Spirit and not the Scriptures the Rule 7. If the Scriptures are the Rule they are so either in their Original or Copies If in their Original that is not extant then no Rule in being for the last of it that was extant was John's History at Ephesus not seen these thousand Years If the Copies must be the Rule it were to be wished we knew which were the nighest to the Original there being above thirty in Number This is undetermined and for ought we see indeterminable And that which makes good what I say are the Variety of Readings among those Copies amounting to several thousands And if the Copies cannot how can the Translations be the Rule so differing from the true Sense of the Copies in many things and one from another Besides I would fain know of those of our present Age who thus contend for the Scriptures being the Rule c. in Opposition to the Spirit upon what foot they receive them into this Place and Authority Is it by Tradition or Revelation I mean
Consideration that Men perish for Want of it and can no more arrive at Truth without it then the distressed Mariner can gain his Port who sailes without either Star or Compass I shall begin with an Explanation of the Terms Rule and Faith of which we shall first treat that we may as well express what we intend by the one as what we mean by the other which will be a proper Introduction to the whole Discourse By General Rule c. we understand that Constant Measure or Standard by which Men have been in all Ages enabled to Judge of the Truth or Error of Doctrines and the Good or Evil of Thoughts Words and Actions By Faith we understand an Assent of the Mind in such manner to the Discoveries made of God thereto as to resign up to God and have Dependence upon him as the Great Creator and Saviour of his People which is inseparable from good Works That Men in all Ages have had a Belief of God and some Knowledge of him though not upon equal Discovery must be granted from that account that all Story gives us of Mankind in matters of Religion several have fully performed this Ofold Justin Martyr Clemens Alexandrinus Augustine and others of later times Du Plessy Grotius Amiraldus L. Herbert with many more And indeed the reliques we have of the most ancient Historians and Authors are a Demonstration in the Point Now the Scripture tells us that no Man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him And as none knows the things of Man save the Spirit of Man so the things of God knows no Man but the Spirit of God Hence we may safely conclude that the Creating Word that was with God and was God in whom was Life and that Life the Light of Men who is the Quickning Spirit was He by whom God in all Ages must have been revealed consequently that Light or Spirit hath been the General Rule of mens Knowledge Faith and Obedience with respect to God And thus much Pythagoras that liv'd about Six Hundred Years before those Words were spoak or writ laid down for a Maxim viz. That no man can know what is agreeable to God except a man hear God himself that is within for that was his Doctrine To which the Apostle and Prophet thus agree 1. In that whatever makes manifest is Light 2. That whatever might be known of God was manifest within for God who is Light 1 Joh. 1. 5. had shewn it unto them And God hath shewn unto thee O Man what is good and acceptable c. which could not be without his Light shining in Man's Conscience Therefore the Light of God in the Conscience must needs have been the general Rule c. It was by this Law that Enoch Noah Abraham Melchisedeck Abimeleeh Job Jethro c. walked and were accepted as saith Irenaeus Tertullian They were Just by the Law written in their Hearts then was it their Rule to and in that just State Obj. It seems then you deny the Scripture to be the General Rule c. Answ. How can they be the General Rule that have not been General That which was both before and since they were in being must needs be more general then they But that was this Light in the Conscience the Law and Guide of those Patriarchs for the Scriptures began long after in Moses consequently that must be the general Rule c. Obj. But granting that the Light within were so before Scripture was extant yet since the Writing of holy Scripture the Scripture and not the Light hath been the general Rule Answ. That cannot be unless Palestina or Canaan a little Province of Asia was the whole World and the Jews a particular People all Mankind For at what time the Writings were among the Jews other Nations were only left to the Law and Light within This the Apostle confirmeth in that Passage For the Gentiles which have not the Law that is the outward Law or Law written do by Nature the things conteined in the Law which sheweth the Work of the Law written in their Hearts And the Gentiles themselves called it the immutable Law the everlasting Foundation of Vertue no liveless Precepts but immortal a sacred Good God the Overseer the living Rule the Root of the Soul that which makes the Good Man Thus Thales Pythagoras Socrates Plato Plotin Hieron Philo Plutarch as cited And saith Sophocles God grant that I may alwaies observe that venerâ—…ble Sanctity in my Words and Deeds which these noble Precepts writ 〈◊〉 Mans Heart requâ—…re God is their Father neither shall they ever be abrogated for there is in them a GREAT GOD that never waxeth Old More reverent Epithetes then John Faldo and T. Hicks can afford as their Books too openly witness yet would go for Christian-men though manifestly short of Heathens Thus is it evident that the Scripture was not the general Rule aâ—…ter it was given forth Obj. But hath it not been since and is it not now the general Rule c Answ. There hath been since and is now the same Impediment for before Christ's coming in the Flesh and since where the Scriptures never reach d there hath been the same Light And though Nations through not glorifying God as God when they have known him have bin so given up to all manner of Impieties as that their Understandings have been greatly vail'd yet did not the Light within so wholely loose its Ruling Exercise among them as that they lived without any Sence of such thing Therefore still the Scriptures have not been neither are the General Rule no not so much as of any Age since in no Age can it be prov'd that the whole World was furnished with them But had they been so for some one or two Ages as they never were yet the granting it will not reach our Question where the Word General implieth the Nature of the Thing it self respecting Mankind from the Beginning to this Day and so to the End Obj. But is not the Scripture the Rule c. of our Day Answ. If The Rule then the General Rule for whatsoever is The Rule of Faith and Life excludeth all other from being General they being but particular in respect of it self Therefore not The Rule of Faith and Life But besides their not being Cenetal I have several Reasons to offer why they cannot be The Rule of Faith and Life c. 1. If now the Rule then ever the Rule But they were not ever the Rule and therefore they cannot now be the Rule That they were not ever the Rule is granted But that they are not therefore now the Rule may be by some denyed which I shall prove If the Faith of God's People in all Ages be of one Nature then the Rule but of one Nature But clear it is Heb. 11. The Faith has been but of one Nature Consequently the Rule but of one Nature
Creatures Part whose mind is alienated from the Light the Insufficiency is not in any degree of the Light it self as a Rule but they that are turned to it ought solely to depend upon it in it to know and receive the Light of Life and Power from Christ against Sin and the Devil As for John Story and our Friends refusing to be catechized by thee when thou hadst accused them they might very well while thy catechizing argued want of Proof for thy Charge and a Willingness to draw out some Occasion from them therefore they had the Advantage to discover thy foolish Rashness And thou hast made use of divers other lying Pamphlets to prove thy Falshoods against us in many things and hast raked up in thy Dialogue Slanders out of our Adversaries Writings which have been long since answered Reader be pleased to view over these two Accounts touching the Controversy between Tho. Hicks and John Story that It may be understood how Sillyly Tho. Hicks came off about his false Charge against the Quakers Devizes the 21st of the 11th Month 1672. THe Occasion and Substance as I remember of what past between John Story and T. Hicks at Bromham boâ—…se was as followeth viz. A Friend of ours visiting some of her Relations that were Baptists in the Vize some Discourse passed of the Fewness that was converted of late Years to which Tho. Hicks said it is not now a time for Conversion the Friend answered she believed otherwise for many had been converted within these few Years by the People called Quakers the Quakers said Hicks their Conversion is but from Christianism to Heathenism which the Friend said was not so but he pretended he would prove it and came to the Meeting where John Story layd his false Accusation hard upon him either to prove it or confess his Lye but he sought many Wayes to evade it at length Hicks and an outed Priest that came with him produced a Book a Priest's Book as was conceived in which as they said was contained many Errors collected out of our Friend's Books John Story replyed to this Purpose that we shall take no notice of what is printed or mis-represented of our Principles but we shall claim that Priviledge to state our Principles our selves and to present them as we understand them And in some Discourse about the Light John Story laid it down as our Principle that the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World is sufficient for Salvation c. But Hicks not willing to be beat out of his own Road raised many Intergatories which some Friends of ours reproving said they needed not or did not come to be catechizâ—…d of him but pressed him to answer the matter in Controversie and not permitting their Arguments out of the Book they brought Hicks and his Company rose up and went away with a Lye in their Mouthes which was that our Friends did deny their Principles Samuel Noyes Chippenham the 15th of the 11th Month 1672. IT s known here that the matter to be disputed was Hicks ' s own Assertion under his Hand which he promised to pâ—…ve viz. that the Quakers converted from Christianism to Heathenism and John Story to make an Introduction into the Dispute after the People understood the matter to be disputed opened to the People what must be understood by Christianity according to the Saints Testimony and what by Heathenism according to holy Scripture as to both their Wayes and Worships by that Hicks found himself at a loss and surely felt his own Words his Burthen and strugled much to avoid the proving his Charge though given under his own Hand but Truth bruised his Head and held him fast God's Power and Wisdom was manifested above the Serpent then he pulled out a Priest's Book and read that which he called the Quakers Tenet which either the Priest had wronged in his Book or Hicks in reading or the Printer in printing viz. that the Light in every man is sufficient without any other Councellor to guide unto Salvation leaving out the two Words of Christ it should have been the Light of Christ or that true Light which lighteth every man that cometh into the World is sufficient So our Friends answered they came not there to be catechised by him but to hear him to prove if he could that the Quakers converted from Christianism to Heathenism and said that Book in his hand was a lying Book so the Weight of Judgment in the Truth came upon him These are the Heads of the matter and manner of the Dispute so far as Friends here at present remember Take this at present lest John Story 's Information come not in time Thomas Neate William Dyer Sect. XVI The Baptist's Disparagement of the Light within contrary to his own Pretence AFter thou hast pretended no Disparagement to the Light within to say that God makes any thing more known of his Will c. for each degree of Light is serviceable to its end p. 36. wherein though thou hast granted the Difference to be but in the degrees of Light and not in the kind yet mark what thou sayst afterwards in thy 38. pag. viz. T. H. What intollerable Pride and Arogancy have you arrived to And all this in following as you pretend the Conduct of the Light within improving it to the subverting and anihilating the Covenant of Grace which is the only Way God hath revealed since the Fall for the Salvation of Sinners Surely then this Light which instead of directing what you do in a Way of Subserviency to the Ends of this Covenant doth directly oppose it is in that so far from being a sufficient Rule that it ought to be rejected Answ. Are all these no disparagement to the Light within let the ingenuous Reader judge Hast thou not herein manifestly opposed and deny'd what thou sayst before for the Serviceableness of each degree of Light to its end But what Service if the following or Improvement of any degree of the Light doth either anihilate or oppose the Covenant of Grace What dark mad and blasphemous Work hast thou here made against the Light within which if it ought to be rejected what account will be given to God for it And he should he give a Light so repugnant to his own Covenant Hast thou not told us that man must be accountable to God for every Dispensation of Light But now thou sayst it ought to be rejected And hast thou not told us that Christ is the Light and Life of men How easie is it to see thy lamentable and blasphemous Contradiction which thou art fallen into as a Judgment upon thee for thy opposing the Light But let us understand how thou discribes this Covenant of Grace and way for the Salvation of Sinners since thou dost not own it to be obtain'd by following of the Light within but the â—…ight within to be Rejected where thy Christianity comes to be embraced We are sure that God hath
World began But the true saving Knowledge of whom is spiritual and divine and inwardly received in his own Light and Life within and saving Faith is in his Name and divine Power as inwardly revealed Stephen Crisp's Answer to T. H. THomas Hicks I having seen thy Book called a Dialogue c. and finding my Name mentioned in page 44. and 45. have very seriously taken notice of thy manner of Rehersal of my Words and thy own spoken at that Conference which we once had at Bartholomew-Close and that I know of I never saw a Narrative of a thing past given forth with more Falshood and Hypocrisie then that is and with a known and witting Purpose to deceive the Reader and to abuse me and I am perswaded Thomas thou hast in thy self a Knowledge of it and surely except thou repent and obtain Forgiveness it will one Day be heavy to thee The Business or matter upon which we treated was about our holding and believing Christ to be the Light of the World or that the Light which lighteth the World and every one that cometh into the World was and is the true Christ which was then proved by plain Scripture and whereas I do not intend a Narrative of the Discourse but only to dis-abuse the Reader and to make known the Occasion of these Words of mine thou hast mentioned therefore I shall pass over most of our Discourse and come to the matter relating to Christ. And that thou didst say as thou mentions in thy Book that no Spirit nor Principle was capable of Suffering and being Crucified is true thou didst say so but how faise the matter it self is let the Scriptures be judge Do they not speak in many places of the Sufferings Pressures Vexings Burdenings Grievings and Quenchings of the Spirit and do they not speak of crucifying afresh killing and slaying the Lamb of God the Lord of Glory the 〈◊〉 One from the Foundation of the World in the Streets of Sodom and Aegypt c which Sayings cannot have Relation to that Body that hanged upon the Cross which was not from the Foundation of the World nor was â—…ot in Sodom nor never hanged upon a Cross in Egypt but he whom the Saints called our Lord and the Lord from Heaven a quickning Spirit was capable of suffering these things besides those great Sufferings which he suffered in that Body in which he conversed with men in the Form of a Servant in the â—…arts of Judea and Jerusalem whom the Jews took and hanged upon a Cross without the Gates of Jerusalem who I believe dyed for Sinners and is raised up again by the Power of God exalted therein above the Power which caused him to suffer and sitteth now at the right Hand of God and maketh 〈◊〉 for the Saints and is the Ruler over the true Israel of God who destroyes his Enemies with the Spirit of his Mouth and the Brightness of his coming New this Christ of God thus truely considered I neither said nor thought I knew the Date or Beginning of as thou dost wickedly suggest for I know he is without beginning of Dayes or end of Life and such an high Priest becometh us to have and blessed are they that believe in him and are faithful to him and now having answered what thou malitiously wouldst have the Reader believe which I am perswaded thou thy self dost not believe viz. That it is my Judgment and Belief that Christ hath a Beginning and Date I shall now declare the Occasion of such Words when I was about to prove to thee that this Principle of Light was that 〈◊〉 of Ages in which the Fathers and Prophets believed and that it was that Word which came unto the Prophets and which was known to Abraham to his rejoycing c. thou madest me this Answer That the Names Jesus and Christ were not proper unto any Spirit Word or 〈◊〉 whatsoever either in Heaven or in Earth but unto that Body or Person which was born of the Virgin to which I replyed I remember John Newman hath written so in his Book but I had thought you Baptists had not owned him in it but now I see you do and thou saidst yes thou didst for though thou grantedst that the Word and Spirit was from the beginning yet that was not nor could not properly be called Christ or Jesus but that Person that was born of the Virgin that only was Jesus and Christ where uppon I 〈◊〉 then I know the date and beginning of thy Christ upon which thou criedst out Blasphemy to which I replyed and asked thee if thou thoughtst I did not know how long it was 〈◊〉 he was born as well as thou or another man c. and after that did prove to thee by plain Scripture that the very Assertion was false to say there was no Jesus nor Christ before and did mention the Rock of which the Fathers did drink and which followed the Jews in the Wilderness which Rock saith the Apostle was Christ not is now become Christ but was Christ and the same Apostle saith that God made all things by Jesus Christ mark Thomas if this be so then he was before Mary was or besore he became Flesh or took that Body made of a Woman for the Prophet testified that he that should be born in Bethlehem his Out-goings was from of old I say the more concerning this because thou endeavour'st to cast the Socinian Leven of which thou didst appear that night too full upon me as if I looked upon Jesus Christ as a meer Creature whose beginning and date I knew when as those Words were only spoken with Detestation of and in Testimony against thy corrupt Socinianism that Night uttered who also made a great Stir with me for saying the Eternal Son of God Thy Foundation is manifest Thomas thou canst not hide it this Way and as concerning thy foolish pratling in page 45. that if I knew his beginning then he was not God and if I knew his date or when he ceased to be then he is not man this is not all worth the answering the pretended Foundation thereof being taken away and thou left naked in thy Folly and Perverseness having shewn thy self but as one who makes a Likeness of a man and sets it up and then beats it down again and goes away and boasts of Conquest But for a Conclusion I shall ask thee and thy Reader a Question Suppose that a man should affirm to me that all things come by Nature and that there is no universal Spirit of Life to quicken them and I should answer thereuppon and say Then there is no God I query were this sufficient Reason to charge me that I were an Atheist that I held there was no God or ought it not to be taken as detecting the Atheism of the first Assertor this is my case with thee which I refer to that of God in all Consciences and let that judge in and amongst men and thee I
according to the Scripture though 't is probable not in my Opposers Words and Terms for note that his Charge which I denyed was not that the Quakers deny the raising again of this very Body of Flesh c. but the Resurrection of the body in this general Phrase Is it therefore ingenuous that I should be thus accused in these general Terms And when I cannot in Reason or Conscience own T. H's manner of stating things as my Opinions in his own Words both besides and contrary to what my Words were or are must I therefore be called a Knave a deceitufl Fellow c Whereas my Conscience bears me witness that if he had stated either my Affirmations or Denials in any Case in my own Words Books or Writing I would not in the least have disowned or receded from them as mine but either have stood by them or upon plain Scripture Evidence to the contrary should have fallen â—…nder Conviction and Reprehension according to the nature of the Error or Mistake if truely detected or proved guilty thereof As concerning the Resurrection I am so far from bauking my Testimony or receding from what I have and do hold concerning it that I am intended if God permit to speak further thereof according to the Sence and Understanding given me and that before I have done with my present Opposers But whereas T. H. takes the Liberty to be the Quakers Mouth and to present them as speaking those impertinencies and Falshoods which are meerly his own Forgeries and â—…ever believed nor intended by them Let the unprejudiceâ—… Reaâ—…er judge whether he be not highly guilty of Falshood and Deceit herein as in divers things hath been signiâ—…ed in this Discourse And as for his second Accusation admitting that I did not write down all his Explications upon his Positions 't is no Proof that the Relation of what I gave was false as very sillily he accuses me Neither hath he proved that I have given a false Relation of any one Position of his Besides in some of his Positions the very Substance of his Reason or Argument is therewith inserted in my Paper others of his Positions are so absurd and gross that he could not make so much as the Colour of a reasonable Explication upon them and therefore I did endeavour to induce him upon more deliberate Conside rations to produce what Explications he could for his Doctrines for which these were my Words If our Opposer say we have not inserted his Explications upon his Assertions our Answer is that 's his Work he hath Liberty to do it himself Now if for this he must revile me in the open Street calling me Knave and shaking his Stick at me If the Baptists will prove men Knaves at this Rate about Principles or Opinions they will make all Knaves that oppose them who do not relate all Circumstances of Words as well as their Assertions how impertinent soever Though I am unwilling to reflect upon all of them for this outragious and uncivil Carriage and defaming Language of their Brother Hicks for his Brother W. Kiffin did somewhat ingenuously shew his Dislike thereof openly yet when he attempted to prove it adding thereto against me such Language as this viz. impudent Fellow audacious Fellow deceitful Fellow c. To excuse him herein some of his Companions said it was his Zeal but this Cover was too narrow such hypocritical and false Excuses will not hold up the Credit of T. Hicks and those his Adherents And be it reminded that in divers things he hath both curtail'd and wholy left out my Explications particularly of that Passage cited by him in his 28. pag. viz. That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and greater here he stops and leaves out As received and proceeding immediately from that Spirit and as Christ's Words were of greater Authority when he spoke then the Pharisees reading the Letter as before hinted See here he hath called me a Knave for that which he is more manifestly guilty of and so is condemned out of his own Mouth in that which he allows himself in And I desire that Tho. Hicks may look at home and examine his own Conscience whether he was not in himself detected for that his Passion and Fury towards me I would not have him go on wronging his own Conscience nor withstand that Light in him which in secret would shew him his Infirmity and Evil in this matter of Passion and calumnious Railing whereby he will never gain upon the Spirits of any who are tender and sincere to God But instead of repenting thereof he brings the same Language over again in his Postscript after he has had both reproof and deliberation to have learnt better but it appears he is disturbed and royl'd in his Spirit as a man guilty and therefore shuffles to ease himself by telling us again thus viz. I told G. W. he was a Knave wherefore I did then and do so still esteem him c. really false and dishonest p. 91. To which G. W's reply is the Lord forgive him howbeiâ—… I am at defiance of my Adversary's implacable Enmity and do challenge him and all the World justly to detect me of dishonesty or of acting against my Conscience or to the Injury of any one living knowing my own Peace in the Testimony of a good Conscience towards God and Man I do really defie the Envy of the Devil and all his Agents And T.H. cannot hide his Passion and 〈◊〉 by his begging the Question viz. Doth not that Quaker who wrote that Book called the lying Wonder p. 9. endeavour to fasten these terms of Fool and Knave upon J. G. Whereas his Case was not the same with mine nor is he positively so charged for his Brother J. G. attempting to attest the Anabaptist's lying Wonder out of Lincolnshire upon the meer Credit of his Brother Ralph James the Fomentor of it as having been an Elder of a Congregation many Years from whose Mouth J. G. had the Relation of a great Miracle done by the Prayers of their Church though contrary to their Faith who affirm that Miracles are ceased long since and yet in his Letter to his Elder R. J. to desire a Reason why this great handy Work of God hath been so long concealed from Publication when he himself knew of it some Months before as also Ben. Morley as J. G. affirms to which the Words are added by T. R. thus viz. Whether J. G. be not as much Fool as Knave by his own handy Work let his Brethren judge See here it s referred to his Brethren to judge in this Case which was 1st His deposing the lying Wonder under his Hand from the Credit of the Forger 2. His pretending to desire a Reason of its being so long concealed when he himself knew of it some months before though they have not judged his Folly at least in this but T. H. hath positively called
4. 1 Tim. 1. 1. and 4. 10. Jude 25. But how doth H. G's Confession and these Scriptures agree with the Discription he gives of Jesus Christ as Saviour and as the only true Christ viz. That he consists of a Body of Flesh and Bone human Nature being finite weak subject to passion as we are saith he p. 94. Let the Reader judge how gross and confused he is in these matters and whether the true Christ and Saviour doth either consist of an earthly Nature or finite being or was subject to Passion as fallen men are The Truth of it is this Man hath confest more to the Deity and divine Power of Christ and so to save and beget men to himself as God alone more then most of the Baptists that I have met withall before for one of his Brethren to wit W. Burnet a Preacher saith That Christ as he was the Word which was God was not a Saviour as he was God he could not save Man in his Book stiled the Capital Principles p. 35. which denyes the Omnipotency of God but this Baptist H. G. grants that it is the Power and Spirit of God himself or God alone that doth regenerate and make men his Children whence it follows that then it was not meerly the outward Body of Jesus that was the Saviour though he was a Saviour in that Body but it was by the Divine Power or Holy Spirit of the Father in him XI His Erroneous Distinction about the Light BUt whereas H. G. accounts the Light and Knowledge of God as Creator that was given to the Gentiles Rom. 1. 19. and Chap. 2. 14 15. But the Light of the Moon to guide their Paths and so much inferior to that of a crucified Jesus as that it leaves them utterly void of the saving Knowledge of the Gospel and of a crucified Jesus p. 68 69. Mark here how he hath undervalued the Light and Knowledge of the glorious Creator whom before he has in Words exalted above all in the Work of Regeneration and Christ as man but as finite weak c. But now alass with him the Light and Knowledge of the glorious Creator is but the Light of the Moon in comparison of the Light and Knowledge of Christ as man though in that Weakness as crucified how egregiously he is involved in gross Consusion and self-Contradiction in these things he that runs may read and no such distinction nor contrariety between the Light of God and the Light of his Son is owned in Scripture â—…or I and my Father are one saith Christ and the Father Word and holy Spirit are one And the same Life which was in him was the Light of Men Joh. 1. 4. and this Life which in due time was manifested was the same eternal Life which was with the Father 1Joh 1. 1. 2. which Light or Life they that obey aâ—…d follow in its Appearance and Guidance it brings them to a Fellowship with the Father and with the Son and this is not the Light of the Moon as our Opposer blindly and unscripturally terms it But seeing he saith this Law or Light is given to guide their Paths by which the Gentiles are taught their Duty to God in Morals I ask him whether will this Light guide their Paths if not in the Way to Salvation And whether will they go and to what End if they obey and follow it Does not the Apostle for a Proof of a justified State instance it in the Gentiles shewing the Effects of the Law written in their Hearts Rom. 2. 13 14 15 16. And what Nature was that by which those Gentiles did those things contained in the Law surely it was not the corrupt Nature for that is inconsistent the Law being holy just and good and though these Gentiles had not the Law in the Letter of it as many now have not the litteral Discription or histotical Relation of Christ's outward Sufferings must they therefore be damned to Hell What Cruelty were this to condemn Nations for want of the Scriptures But as those Gentiles who had not the Law in the Letter and yet had and obeyed it in the Spirit were both therein a Law to themselves and excused in the Sight of God in the day when he judgeth the Secrets of Men by Jesus Christ according to the Gospel Rom. 2. 16. So those Gentiles and Peoples who obey the Light and Life of the Son of God in them though they have not the historical Knowledge and Profession of Christ as he was Man and suffered Death in the Flesh c. Yet they are truely accepted of God and more real Christians inwardly then many of you that have the Scriptures and an historical Faith and Profession of the Man Christ and of Christianity outwardly for in all Nations every one that fears God and worketh Righteousness is accepted of him Depart from Evil and do Good and dwell for evermore And this the Light of the Son of God implanted in the Hearts of all Nations teacheth and herein the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation hath appeared unto all Men Tit. 2. 11. But it is the Error and Mistake of these Men to put their historical Notions and Profession of the Man Christ for the Light of Christ in Man whereas their Notions and Professions are neither any real Knowledge of the Man Christ nor the Principle of his Light in Man for the one is traditional and acquired by Man and so but dark the other is the immediate and divine unchangeable Gift of Christ in Man which indeed is the Light of the Eternal Word the glorious Creator but as these men's pretended Light and Knowledge of the man Christ is what they get out of Scriptures with their own private Interpretations on them so they hereby render Christ and his Light as limitted only to such Places and People as have the Scriptures opposing his divine Omni-presence and denying him his Right which is the Heathen for his Inheritance and the uttermost Parts of the Earth for his Possession Psa. 2. Now as for that Morality as he calls it which the Law of the first Covenant and Light implanted in the Heaâ—…ts of all Man-kind teacheth in the true Nature and Intenâ—… thereof it falleth no more short of Christianity then Godliness doth for this Law and Light teacheth Man to love the Lord God with all his Heart and Soul c. and his Neighbour as himself this do saith Christ and thou shalt live in answer to the Question what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life Luke 10. 25 26 27 28. This is the highest Morality or Duty of Man-kind even this Love to God and one another which is the fulfilling of the Law And this is both taught by the Light within and Power given by the Grace of God to fulfil it which the Law without in the Letter cannot do Now if the Jews Way to inherit Eternal Life was through the Grace or Help of God to fulfil what was written as before then
that are not written Joh. 20. 30. and Joh. 21. 25. To this I say It s an easie matter for Intruders to ask unlearned and unnecessary Questions whereof this is one of those many other Signs and Things that Jesus did it s said If they should be written every one I suppose that even the World it self could not contain the Books Joh. 20. 25. how then should this Querist be capable to contain them I suppose he doth not think himself able to contain more then the World it self If he saith it is an hiperbolical Expression then is his Question hiperbolical to be sure And if we cannot give him Account of all those Signs and things in particular while we are not sollicitous to know them nor do we think it needful is that any valid Plea or Proof against the Sufficiency of the Light within or Spirits Teaching Would such an Argument against the Scriptures being the Rule please him because they contain not all that was done God gives us to know what 's sufficient and necessary for Life and Salvation by his Light within But if the Word contain 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be taken for to understand as Mat. 19. 11. to comprehend Job 21 25. Then in that Sence there 's far more written in the Scriptures already then either our Opposer or his Brethren can either comprehend or understand and therefore it s a busie Intrusion and Cavil in them to query for more while they oppose the true Light within and will not believe in it nor depend upon the Immediate Teachings of the Spirit of Truth from whence the holy Scriptures proceeded but dark they are and more grosly dark and confused they are like to be who persist in that gain-saying Spirit of Prejudice and Enmity against the Light of Truth which I desire the Lord to give them a Sight and Sence of unto Repentance rather then they should perish in their perverse Gain-sayings THE Angry Anabaptist Proved BABYLONISH IN Answer to Henry Grigg's Pamphlet stiled The Baptist not Babylonish Wherein Whilst he endeavours to reconcile his Contradictions in his Book Entituled Light from the Sun c. Charged upon him in a Paper Entituled The Babylonish Baptist He is run into more Contradictions Absurdities and false Accusations against the People of God called Quakers and their Principles By G. W. Ex ore tuo te judicabo Printed in the Year 1673. The Heads of the following Treatise I. OF the Light of the Eternal Word in Man and the Anabaptist confounded about it II. The Sufficiency of the Light within to reveal God Christ c. III. The Effect of Christ's Sufferings only known in his Light within IV. The saving Work of the Spirit V. How the Light in Man is a Gift and H. G' s Distinction between the Meritorious and Instrumental Cause of Salvation examined VI. The Lord's Supper in the Type and in the Anti-Type the Shadow and Substance distinguished VII The Anabaptist's Imposition about their Shadowy Baptism VIII Their Definition of the true Saviour and his Being IX The Hypostatical Union X. His Charge against the Quakers Principles and Doctrines of the Light within proved impure vile and ignorant and the Spirituality Divinity and Sufficiency of the Light within further asserted XI His sad and impious Prayer against the Light in all which Light is proved of the same Nature or kind with the Witness in Believers XII His groundless Comparison and Distinction between the Light of God in man and the Light of Christ or Gospel further refuted XIII His belying us with denying the Man Christ Jesus to â—…loak his own Absurdity and Ignorance of Christ and his Being XIV That scriptural Distinction between the Eternal Son of God and the Body prepared for him further maintained and the Anabaptist's persecuting Spirit reviling and traducing the Inocent reproved XV. A Warning and Reproof to Hen. Grigg c. XVI The Baptist's nine Questions answered THE Angry Anabaptist Proved BABYLONISH IN Answer to H. G's Pamphlet stiled The Baptist not Babylonish WHereas H. G. pretends he hath set down my Animadversions upon his Contradictions in order exactly after my own Fashion pag. 1. I say this is not true he hath left out the latter part of five of them which it appears did pinch him Therefore I shall represent to the Reader his Contradictions with my Animadversions and the Stress of his Exceptions whereby he would endeavour to make People believe he hath not contradicted himself but that we must refer to the Impartial Readers to judge of in the Light of Truth I. Of the Light of the Eternal Word in Man and the Anabaptist confounded about it HEnry Grigg saith viz. I utterly deny that this Light which all Men have from the Glorious Creator is a saving Light pag. 8. of his Book called Light from the Sun of Righteousness H. G. in Contradiction saith I really believe that the Lord Jesus Christ AS the Eternal Word hath given Light or enlightneth all Men and Women that come into the World p. 8. G. W. his Animadversion The Light or Life of the Eternal Word which is the Light of Men Joh. 1. 4. is spiritual and divine as is that Word and therefore saving to all that truly obey it H. G. replyes It seems to me as if this Man had lost his Common Reason because I deny that the Light which is in all Men is a saving Light and yet say I really believe all have a Light in them from Christ considered as Creator This cannot be a Contradiction unless he can prove there is no Light proceeding from the Eternal Word as Creator but what is saving p. 2. G. W. answereth Whilst he would insinuate that the Light in every Man is created or a Creature he meerly beggs the Question and still remains in his self-Contradiction for he dare not say That AS the Eternal Word Jesus Christ is a Creature Neither is his Light that proceedeth from him as that Word created any more then that Life which was in him which Life was the Light of Men will they say this is either created or natural As the Eternal Word is divine so is the Light or immediate Shining thereof in Man's Conscience H. G. What though it be granted that the Light which all Men that come into the World are lighted which flows from the Eternal Word and so is spiritual must it needs therefore be a saving Light Was not the Law given forth on Mount Sinai a Light of or come from the Eternal Word and doth not Paul say that the Law is spiritual Rom. 7. 14. and yet a Ministration of Death 2 Cor. 3. 7. and that killed and in other places that there was no Justification by it G. W. Answer 1. If it be a spiritual Light in Man proceeding and flowing from the Eternal Word it must therefore be the Eternal Word that immediately shineth in Man's Heart which is not created nor natural for all have not
that Baptism or plunging Men and Women is Gospel Have I said it is of Necessity to Salvation p. 13. Answ. 'T is both dishonest and false in thee to accuse me of an Anti-christian Spirit and belying the Innocent for stating thy own Words and the Consequence thereof from the very Tenour of thy Discourse hast thou not accounted your Water-Baptism or dipping Gospel or at least part of Christ's last Will and Testament and them accursed that bring any other Gospel See thy other Book pages 24 25 26. and have not thy Brethren declared it for the Remission of Sins and the only Way of gathering Churches 1. To teach and then to baptize or dip them See their Confession of Faith Article 11. presented to the King and subscribed by above 40. of them And have not some of thy Brethren affrighted many simple People into Water to be dipt formerly by such Language as dip or damn and what hast thou said less if they be accurst that own it not Some of thy Brethren have positively affimed it necessary to Salvation on that Scripture Except a Man be born again of Water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God falsly deeming that outward Water there spoken of H. G. All that are accursed are only those who bring another Gospel besides that which was given sorth by Christ as he is King and Mediator of the new Covenant p. 14. Answ. And your dipping thou reckons to be given forth by Christ thy pretended Proof being Mat. 28. 20. as before mentioned wherefore thy case is against all that own 〈◊〉 or deny to be dipt for our parts we will not be dipt by you H. G. I doubt not but all sincere-minded Protestants are of my Perswasion touching this matter though we may differ about the Form and Subjects of Water-Baptism p. 14. Answ. Here thou insinuatest and flatters the Protestants like a temporizer and decliner of your former Testimony and contrary to thy Brethrens said Confession of Faith which is wholy against that scriptureless thing of sprinkling Infants Article 11. as their Phrase is and have not divers of thy Brethren deem'd it Anti-christian H. G. False it is and a Slander to say that we make it essential and of absolute Necessity to Salvation though we believe it essential to Church Communion p. 14 15. Answ. Is it not essential and of Necessity to Salvation if part of Christ's last Will and Testament as before thou sayst And such to be accurst that oppose it or if the same Baptism of Christ mentioned Mat. 28. and Mark 16. which is annexed to believing in order to Salvation But if not of Necessity to Salvation then not the Baptism into the one Body or Church-Communion and then it s not that one Baptism or Anti-Type which doth save viz. The Baptism into the Name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit for without that Name or Power Men cannot be saved VIII Their Definition of the true Saviour and his Being HEnry Grigg denyes the true Saviour to be the Light and Power I afsirm saith he that Jesus Christ is a Man consisting of Flesh and Bones p. 30 31. human finite weak subject to Passion as we are 94. p. 33. the true Christ consisting of a Body of Flesh and Bone p. 31. 34. H. G. Contrad John declared plainly that Christ was before him being from everlasting before Abraham the Son of God by Eternal Generation truly God David's Lord p. 35. The Lord Jesus the Eternal Word p. 8. The Emanuel p. 32. Christ the Son of the living God p. 33. G.W. Animed Therefore it s both unscriptural and absurd to assert that Jesus Christ consisteth of a human Body of Flesh and Bone or is finite seeing he was before all things and by him all things consist Col. 1. 17. and inconsistant both with the Eternal Glory of the Son of God which he had with the Father before the World began wherein he is glorified and his Body Glorious and Spiritual They should have said that he took upon him that Body prepared for him and not that he Jesus Christ consisteth or is made up of Flesh and Bones but at length they are made to grant to the Deity of Christ more than formerly though to their own Confutation as before And I further add Is there not a plain Contradiction between Jesus Christ consisting of Flesh and Bone human Nature and that the Lord Jesus Christ is the Eternal Word from Everlasting c. Besides after his Resurrection he said a Spirit hath not Flesh as ye see me have Luke 24. 39. now for Jesus Christ to have Flesh and Bone and for him to consist of Flesh and Bone in his Sence are two differing things for to have Flesh and Bones implies a Distinction between him the Son of God as to his Being and the Flesh and Bones which he had but to consist of Flesh and Bones implies he could not have a Being without them but that he is made up meerly of human Flesh and Bones H. G. Doth he not evidently declare to the World that it is a Contradiction and absurd to assert that Jesus Christ is God and Man subsisting in too real distinct Natures because I said he is Man and that the Divinity distinct and apart from the Humanity is not the Christ and yet also said he is God everlasting and the Son of God by Eternal Generation p. 16. Rep. 1. It is remarkable how the Man shuffles evades and useth a Subterfuge besides my Objection which was not at all against Jesus Christ being God and Man take Man as Christ is the heavenly spiritual and glorified Man being ascended up where he was before but it was against his affirming that Jesus Christ consisteth of human Flesh and Bone I distinguishing between consisting and having seeing Christ was srom Everlasting 2. And now also to say he subsists in two Natures divine and human contradicts his saying he consists of Flesh and Bones human Nature for these do not consist of two Natures the human Nature is not two Natures both human and divine as human or earthly Nature cannot be the heavenly also 3. If Christ consisteth or is made up of human Flesh and Bones and be the Christ only as so considered then how is he the Son of God by Eternal Generation even before as well as since he took upon him that Body which was prepared for him or pertook of that which the Children had to wit Flesh and Blood If the Son of God before was he not then Christ before Or was he the Son of God when he was not Christ IX The Hypostatical Union BUt H. G. instead of clearing himself in this matter he sillily yet perversly begs the Question thus Doth he not deny his human Nature and glorious hypostatical Union p. 21. This being consider'd together with his severe Conclusion against us of horrible Heresies Delusions and vile Impostures as in p. 17. shews that he has a design to render
of Creation thrâ—…gh which his Light gives Men to consider and see God and his eternal Power Rom. 1. and to worship him And this Light and Works are and do preach forth the Power of God and his Wisdom where the Scriptures are not And therefore God affords a Sufficiency even to the Heathens both of Light inward and Evidence outward of his Power c. They that have the holy Scriptures in the Bible may thank God for those good Testimonies in them as his Light within opens their Understandings in them to the Right Use of them Aâ—…d they that have not the Bible have the Book of the Creation to read in and the Light within to open it and to read and understand a Deity and Divine Power through all and over all And they that are born Deaf and Blind shall not be therefore damned God having afforded an invisible sufficient Light to save being obeyed to leave them without excufe being disobeyed And if by the use of Reason the Spirit of God teacheth the Heathen moral Duties as in p. 54. which Duties as he explains are to love and worship God and to love our Neighbours as our selves then have the Heathen First A supernatural and Divine Light to wit that of the Spirit 2dly His Spirit with the Teaching and Reason of it in that degree it is in them is a Rule of Life to them that have not Scriptures who obey it And this confutes and overthrows the greater part of S. S. his Book or bundle of Confusion S. S. Most falsly obtruds upon R. Ludgater this Concession viz. That the Will of God as much of it as is revealed by the Light in every man without the help of Scripture is not the only Rule to Heaven p. 23. And this sayes S. S. fetcht out of the very Heart-Blood of Quakery Epist. This is a gross Abuse and Lye for R. L. hath a better Knowledge and Esteem of the Light of Christ in every man and its own Sufficiency to guide the Obedient to Heaven In him was Life the Life was the Light of Men Job 1. 4. This Life and Light of Christ being divine is therefore a sufficient Rule Also S. S. hath abused G. W. in several places perverting his Words and setting down words in G. W's Name which he never wrote nor spoak and in particular these words about Christ's Coming viz. He hath tarried above Sixteen Hundred Years p. 86. quoting Divin of Christ p. 49. and then to back this Abuse and to lay Judgment 〈◊〉 G. W. brings those Scriptures 2 Pet. 2. 3 4. and Mat. 4. 48. Whereas G. W's Words were quite contrary â—…nfessing both to Christ's Outward and Inward Coming which â—…is Disciples did not put afar off as you do it being above â—…ixteen Hundred Years since they both waited for and receiv'd â—…is Coming Here is no such Word as that He hath tarried so long we refer the Reader to the Book and Page before mentioned to see S. S's Abuse in this as also many more might be instanced where instead of answering he hath wronged and belyed our Words and Books S. S. in p. 32. saith though the Counsels of God's Spirit in Believers Hearts be IN themselves as certainly the Truth of God as are his Counsels in the Scriptures yet are they not to Believers so certainly the Truths of God Answ. What 's this but to tell us that the Scriptures can better ascertain us of the Truths therein then the Spirit that first gave forth those Truths or that the Spirit of Christ is Insufficient assuredly to manifest his own Counsels to Believers which is contrary to Christ's own Testimony He shall guide you into all Truth He shall abide with you forever and the Sons of God are led by his Spirit and hereby know we that we dwell in him and be in us because he hath given us of his Spirit 1 Joh. 4. 13. Chap. 3. 24. Therefore this Spirit is our certain and highest Rule And as to his pudder he makes about Water-Baptism 't is very confused and silly as at the Dispute not plainly asserting whom he would have the Subjects of it whether Infants or Believers yet brings some of the Anabaptists Arguments though we still suppose he intends Infants but durst not tell us whether it be his Practice now So see what a Laborynth and Loss his Work tends to bring People to neither plainly telling them the Subjects nor showing who are the Ministers of this imposed Water-Baptism whether himself or such as he or who and yet injoyns it as a Means of Sanctification a Means of Salvation which we do not believe As also he explains not his terms of the Lord's Supper what he means by the Lord's Supper whether the Shaddow or the Mystery and what is his own Practice therein whether he ministers Bread and Wine as a Figure or the Substance And whether the Mystery or thing signified be attained by any in this Life This is unanswer'd Nor whether Shaddows be essential to the Gospel Dispensation Concerning Justification He hath in some degree granted to truth that the word Justifie the Scripture sometimes useth it to signifie to make Just by inherent Holiness or to Sanctifie Tit. 3. 5 7. He saved us by the Washing of Regeneration that being justified c. Herein he hath assented more to Truth then many of his â—…rethren but 't is much contradicted again in his handling the matter of Imputation of Adam's Sin to those that are not Partakers of it and so of Christ's Obedience p. 96. As if Adam's Sin and Christ's Righteousness were so imputed to them who partake not of them This we cannot own and hath been often answered in our Books and much we have against this his Sense of Imputation as also against their Opinion about personal Election and Reprobation and the Cruelty Partiality and ill Consequence of the Presbyters Opinion therein And against S. S. his shallow and absurd managing the matter whose manifest Contradictions were long since published which we do not understand that he hath made any Publick Essay to reconcile also his work about the Scriptures Baptism and the Supper are more particularly and fully answered elsewhere which there hath not been for some time an oppoâ—…tunity to publish CHAP. II. About JUSTIFICATION and IMPUTATION S. S's Quest. WHether we are justified by the Righteousness of Christ imputed The Question would better reach the Controversie as thus stated viz. Whether Impure that is unsanctified Persons while 〈◊〉 be justified by the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness Thus I stated the Question at first which S. S. evaded with this viz. Whether Justification be by the Works of the Law 〈◊〉 by the Righteousness of Christ through Faith Noâ—…â—…enying the former and granting the latter this Question will not find out the Controversie but rather Whether Christ's Righteousness be imputed unto Persons in a disobedient unsanctisied or unconverted State Or Whether Christ's Righteousness be imputed of Coâ—… to Persons
disobedient another while only those who have a living and sound Faith and are sincerely obedient who thereby are interested in Christ's Righteousness With this I agree but not with the other which declares the Guilty and Disobedient Just or Innocent p. 91. and what then must the Guilt be charged upon Christ who offered up himself a Lamb without Spot to God and was a sweet smelling Savour to him of whom all our Obedience ought to savour that by him we may Offer up living Sacrifices unto God Both we and our Actions must Savour of his Unction and not of Pollution Sin or Guilt if we be Justified or accepted in the Beloved Whereas he accuseth G. W. with teaching Justification by Faith in Christ and the Works that follow Faith without Christ's Righteousness Imputed p. 91. The End of his Charge is false without Christ's Righteousness imputed are his own Words and Forgery against me and not mine for I have both owned and confessed the Real and Scriptural Sense of Imputation in the 65th Page of Divin of Christ. first Part and several other Places therein The blessed Man's partaking of Christ's Righteousness through Faith and that Justification is in the Righteousness of Christ by Faith in him and that this true and living Faith and the Righteousness of it is reckoned or imputed to the true Believer yet we do not grant that Sinners or polluted Persons in that State are cloathed with this Righteousness or that it is imputed to them as theirs whilst they are out of it These were my Words which clear me from his Charge although he adds thereto that I say Faith in Christ and Works that follow without any mention of Christ's holy Life and Sufferings p. 92. which is false again and the contrary may be often seen in my said Book Divin of Christ. For 1st Living Faith in Christ cannot be without the Participation of Christ's holy Life Vertue and Effects of his Sufferings and Blood which sprinkleth the Conscience cleanseth from Sin c. 2dly We are by Faith in him spiritually influenced with a Sence of his Sufferings Travil of Soul and Fruit of his Intercession therein I bear in my Body the Dying of the Lord Jesus that the Life also of Jesus may be manifest in my mortal Flesh. 3dly In spiritually eating of his Flesh and drinking of his Blood we receive of his Life in us do come to live to God in his Love and Favour and so we partake of Christ AS the one Offering Sacrifice or Propitiation that makes holy in whom God comes near to us in Mercy and we to him in a holy Life and this is the one Offering by which he hath forever perfected them that are sanctified whereof the Holy Ghost beareth Witness unto us Heb. 10. 15. Object You have not from the Beginning of your Life to the End perfectly obeyed the Law what have you to say why you should not bear the Curse p. 92. Answ. This is an impertinent Objection and unsutable for him that does not believe perfect Obedience to Christ attainable in any Part of our Life either Beginning or latter Endâ—… But God will not bring this Charge against them whose Sins are forgiven and blotted out to be remembred no more in the new Covenant who since they have received Remission and Justification of Life have the Answer and Testimony of a good Consciense to plead which gives Boldness in the Day of Judgment the Heart being sprinkled from an evil Conscience there is a drawing near to God in full Assurance of Faith if our Heart condemn us not then have we Considence towards God Howbeit Upon the Charge before as S. S. his chief Objection depends much of his Work and what he pleads to this as his only Defence is Christ's Holy Life and Sufferings Obedience to the Death c. not Sanctification nor Christ's Righteousness or Life inherent in us or the Answer of a Good Conscience c. And why so why thinks he cannot this acquit us or render us acceptable to God S. S. In justifying God doth judge us by the Law though by the Gospel also To be Righteous in a legal Sense is to be invested with a sinless Righteousness from the Beginning of Life to the End thereof this the Law requires it doth require Perfection not only in the End of our Lives but in the middle also and in the Beginning p. 92 93. But the Breach of this sayes he will be the Accusation or Charge that the Law or Justice will bring against us at the Day of Judgment p. 50. Rep. The Man runs upon a Mistake and thereupon makes his Apologies and Defence for there will be no Occasion for God to bring this Charge against his Elect or those whom he hath justified at the Day of Judgment for 1st Against a Righteous Man there is no Law neither doth the Gospel judge such as Transgressors all their Dayes as is vainly imagined And how should you be justified while you are judged both by Law and Gospel Doth not the Gospel acquit and clear such as in the Faith receive it from the Condemnation of the Law that being justified by Faith they may have Peace with God 2dly They who are pardoned of Sins past and justified by Christ from all those things from which they could not be justified by the Law of Moses are received into a Covenant of â—…ace Mercy Forgiveness Love Peace and Union with God for such is the new Covenant wherein God will remember their Iniquities no more 3dly They who are thus justified and received into Covenant with God have passed from Death to Life from Condemnation to Jâ—…stification through the Law are become dead unto the Law that Christ might live in them and the Life they live is by the Faith of the Son of God which Faith purifies the Heart and the Mystery of it is held in a pure Conscience 4thly The Gospel is preached to them that are dead viz. in Sin That they might be judged as Men in the Flesh but justified after God in the Spirit And God's sending his Son in the Likeness of sinful Flesh was that Sin might be condemned in the Flesh that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit Rom. 8. Therefore Justice will not at the Day of Judgment charge us with Transgression and Imperfection from the beginning of Life to the End They that are come into Covenant with God who therein are in a Justified Condition have this to plead We have known and believed the Love that God hath to us God is Love and he that dwelleth in Love dwelleth in God and God in him Herein is our Love made Perfect that we may have Boldness in the Day of Judgment because as he is so are we in this World 1 Joh. 4. 16 17. And doth not this perfect Love and Conformity to his Image which gives this Boldness in the day of Judgment spring
Iniquities But be not deceived God will not be mocked such as you sow such shall you reap Whereas S. S. accuseth G. W. with saying Satisfaction is not needfull Quoting Divin of Christ pag. 62. And then cryes Such Blasphemy is this Man not affraid to utter the Lord Convince and Humble him To thee S. S. I say Thou hast wronged me those are none of my Words the Lord humble thee for thy belying me thiâ—… is not the first time If thou or any Reader do but moderately view my Book and Page quoted by thee it will plainly appear that to say Satisfaction is not needfull are none oâ—… my Words for t is very plain that I have not denyed that Satisfaction that was in Christ but have objected aga nst the manner of their stating it and sinful tendence of their Notion about it as 1st Against their making Satisfaction the Effect of God's full Revenge or the Execution of Vindictive Justice as their Phrase is on his Innocent Son thereby to clear the Guilty 2dly I have distinguished between God's Chastisement and Revenge 3dly That the Intent and End of God's Peoples undergoing his Chastisements or Correction according to Jer. 10. 24. Heb. 12. 9 10 11. And their partaking of the Fellowship of Christ's Sufferings is that they might be Partakers of his Holiness live and reign with him 4thly I have plainly told my Opposers That if Man continue in Rebellion against Christ rejecting his Love and Grace his Sufferings and Satisfaction will not free them from the Severity of God nor from the Execution of his Judgment which is committed tâ—… Christ c. Divin of Christ p. 62 63. The Truth of what I have written in the said Book in the Plaineness and Simplicity of it stands over the Subtility of my Opposers and remains unanswered and instead of an honest or moderate Answer this Man does but pervert curtaile tautologize nibble and pick at my Words and abuse me He doth not so much as seriously take notice of the stress of my Objections but over and over imposeth his Opinion and brings a very unfit Instance for God's judging it meet to punish all Sin or that all our Sin is punished in his Son without Cruelty c. where he saith If God doth damn the Impenitent if he damns the fallen Angels he is cruel We say No he is Just But is this and his punishing your Sins in his Son to the full a fit Parallel Let the unprejudiced Reader judge And then he grosly imposeth and begs the Question again viz. And for that person who is God to suffer a temporal Death though in his human Nature only this is of infinite Value an infinite Abasement a stroke of Infinite Wrath for had not God's Wrath against Sin been Infinite he would not thus have struck a Person of infinite Worth and Dearness to him interposing as a Surety between him and us miserable Sinners for â—…od in our Nature to suffer what he did this is more then for Men or Devils to suffer God's Eternal Wrath or Revenge this Wrath more clearly shines in the Infinitude of it in thus smiting * the Brightness of his Glory and Express Image of his Person * then in the eternal Damnation of Men and Devils in the unquenchable Flames of Hell Rep. This strange Language against God and Christ I shall need to â—…ay little about let them that know the holy Scriptures see how unlike them it is only I may query and demand of him 1st Where do the Scriptures say That God suffered a Temporal Death as a Stroak of Infinite Wrath 2dly That in Infinite Wrath he struck a Person of Infinite Worth and Dearness to him 3dly That this Wrath more clearly shines in the Infinitude of it in thus smiting the Brightness of his own Glory c. then in the Eternal Damnation of Men and Devils c. If I should conclude this both Blasphemous and Unscriptural Language that thus sets God at variance with himself or as smiting and punishing himself c. S. S. perhaps would be ready to cry out Oh Blasphemy and charge it upon me though it be his own the very Tendence Nature of his own Doctrine The Matter is fully answered and refuted before Again Where do the Scriptures say that God punished the Surety Christ for our Sins and for a time poured forth his Wrath upon him for our Iniquities p. 108. I am sure the Scripture he cites sayes the contrary of him Isa. 42. 1. viz. Behold mine Elect in whom my Soul delighteth Could he then pour forth his Wrath upon him for your Iniquities Oh! be ashamed of such Doctrine Could either the Chastisement of our Peace on him his bearing the Sin of many or carrying our Griefs be the Father's pouring forth Infinite Wrath upon him That it is for Christ's sake that God doth pardon upon Repentance is very true 't is well he Grants this upon Repentance and it is for Christ's sake for all the Good that is revealed or wrought in us that is acceptable to God as true Faith Repentance Obedience real Righteousness c. is all of Christ and brought forth by him in that Soul that is pardoned and Justified in him or accepted in the Beloved But how God's Forgiveness of the â—…ebt or Pardon of the Offences agrees with the Surety's full Payment and Suffering the Punishment Wrath deserved I leave to the understanding Readeâ—… to judge Or how Christ should make Intercession for them that come unto God by him if all their Debt were payed and Punishment undergone appears not especially where the Surety's Payment and Suffering is supposed in this case to be Infinitely of more Value then if the Debtor himself had payed and suffered all because of the Surety's Infinite Dignity and when if the Payment and Satisfaction of Law were thus strictly and severely made neither Law nor Justice could admit that the Debtor should lye in Prison as many do under Satan's Chains of Darkness lyable to Wrath and Vengeance but he should be both discharged and delivered ipso facto But we see it otherwise Many are yet in the Prison-House in Satan's Chains who yet may be loosed and Christ ever lives to make Intercession for them that come unto God by him The Man mends not the matter in what follows Obj. Christ Having purchased Salvation for us at the Hands of Justice by his Intercession he Obtains the Purchase at the Hands of free Grace and so applies it to us Rep. Oh strange Justice or rather Revenge fully paid satisfied but Grace yet to be so much interceded or solicited to this renders Grace more Severe then the Condemnation of the Law and Inferiour to Revenge And what Division would this make in God and between Christ and Grace it renders him Inferiour to Earthly Princes and his Grace below Common Justice among Men For supposing a Subject had forfeited his Inheritance to his Prince by Rebellion
Neighbour as thy self I am the Lord Levit. 19. 18. Finally Brethren whatsoever things are True whatsoever things are Honest Just Pure Lovely and of Good Report think on these things Phil. 4. 8. Stob. 28. * That 's more then Tho. Hicks seems to do Liv'd at the same time Laert. Lib. 1. c. 3. * Reader this Reflection was not without Light nor this Man void of a very Tender Conscience The Gentiles who had not a Law became a Law unto themselves doing the Things contained in the Law their Consciences bearing Witness and their Thoughts the mean while Accusing or Excusing Rom. 2. 14 15. To Depart from Iniquity is a good Understanding Job 28. 28. And the Hypocrites Hope shall Perish Job 8. 13. Why do you not rather take Wrong 1 Cor. 6. 7. Stob. 28. Reader these weighty Sayings are very Scripture it self and that as well of the New as Old Testament so called especially where Christ saith SWEAR NOT AT ALL though spoke about 700 years before he came into the World * As Tho. Hicks John Bunion J. Grigg and other Railing â—…eparatists do the Quakers * Which T. Hicks can't do neither to his Wife Family at home nor his Friends much less other People abroad Stob. Serm. 80. Jamblich Let us hear the Conclusion of the whole Matter Fear God and keep his Commandments for this is the whole Duty of Man Eccles. 12. 13. Pure Religion and Undefiled is to keep himself Unspotted from the World Jam. 1. 27. In this sense I fear we may say that Thomas Hicks has no Light in him Who when he was Reviled Reviled not again 1 Pet. 2. 23. Laert. Plat. Phaed. The Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom Psalm 111. 10. He that will deny himself let him take up his Cross and follow me Luk. 9. 23. Xen. Mem. 3. p. 780. Clem. Alex. Strom. L. 5. Stob. 218. Reader These sententious Expressions to have every one of them a Scripture would be tedious and superfluous for they are almost Word for Word Scripture it self as who knoweth Scripture may plainly see Xen. Mem. 4. p. 803. Id. Mem. 1. 722. 4. 804. Id. Mem. 3. So saith Christ Mat. 7. 2. 62. 7. Ibid. Apolog. Libanius saith Socrates considered The Pure in Heart shall see God Mat. 5. 8. Clem. Alex. Str. 2. 417. Laert. Stob. 46. The Fruit of the Spirit is Peace Gal. 5. 22. Acts 24. 16. But Godliness with Content is great Gain 1 Tim. 6. 6. Stob. 48. Stob. 114. This answers T. Hicks's Challenge about the Light 's showing that State if Christ had not said so Liban Ap p. 644. Nothing they could do was able to draw him out of his Endeavours to detect the loose Comedians that sought therefore his Ruin 1 Pet. 3. 14. * The word Philosophy hath been otherwise appropriated since those days as many other words have been for it then signified a Love of Wisdom given by Pythagoras which Wisdom was the Way of Holy Living not Vain and Untoward Contests about Inpracticable Things Laert. Suid. in vit Antish Ye are an Holy Nation a Royal Priesthood 1 Pet. 2. 9. And you shall be Kings and Raign c. Rev. 1. 6. Blessed are they who hear the Word of God and keep it Luke 11. 28. Where is the Wise where is the Scribe where is the Disputer of this World 1 Cor. 1. 20. Put on the Brest Plate of Righteousness Eph. 6 14. Stob. The Just shall live by Faith Hab. 24. Without Holiness no man shall see the Lord Heb. 12. 14. They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their Strength Isa. 40. 31. The Secrets of the Lord are with them that fear him Psal. 25. 14. Valer. Max. 2. 10. Cic. pro Bal. Laert. Mat. 5. 34. Cic. de Fin. 2. Rom. 2. 14 15. Laert. Ibid. Stob. The Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom Job 28. 28. Laert. The Rulers take Counsel together against the Lord Psal. 2. 2. Stob. The Wisdom which is from above is first Pure then Peaceable Jam. 3. 17. Laert. Id. Psal. 111. 9 10. Cic. Parad. Stob. Id. Theatr. cap. 3. 10. Be ye Holy for I the Lord your God am Holy Levit. 11. 44 45. Plut. plac 4. 7. Stob. Phys. Rev. 20. 12 13 14. Chap. 21. 7 8. Plat. phaed. 2 Cor. 5 8. * Ad Amph. Clem. Alex. Strom. l. 3. 2 Cor. 5. 8. Philip. 1. 21. Plat. Phaed. Eccles. 12. 7. Idem The Sheep on the Right Hand and the Goâ—…tes on the Lest Mat. 25. 31 32 33. 1 Cor. 15. 28 29 30 31. Observe Socrates his Distinction betwixt being Dead Departed Acts 7. 60. H. Mor. Des. Phil. Cab. c. 3. Revel Rev. 22. 5. See Const. Orat. in Eus. Isa. 2. 2 3 4 5. Isa. 7. vers 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25. Chap. 9 10. 1 John 4. 5 6. Chap. 11. 6 7 8 9 10 11. Jer. 23. Isa. 1. 12 13 14 15. Ezek. 18. 31 32. Objection Mat. 5. 27. 28. Joh. 8. 56 57 58. Helv. Chron. Rom. 5. 9. Gal. 3. 16. Joh. 14. 17. Hos. 13. 4. Hebr. 10. John 6. 51 52. 53 54 62 63. Rom. 3. 25. Ephes 1. 7. Hebr. 9. 14. Rom. 3 25. Hebr. 10. 5 7. 2 Cor. 3. 18. Joh. 1. 9. Joh. 1. 1 2 3 4 9. See Dial. pag. 3. 4. See Origen Chrysostom Greg Erasm Drus. Zeger Cam. Grot. B. Sand. Dr. Ham. John 〈◊〉 Dial. pag. 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 5. Rom. 〈◊〉 Jam. 5. 6. 1 John 2. 15. 16. 1. Pet. 1. 18. Ephes. 5. 1 Joh. 1. 5 6. Jam. 3. 1 2 3. T. Jenner T. Tayler J. Faldo T. Hicks H. Grigg c. Mat. 11. 27. 1 Cor. 2. 11. Ephes. 5. 13. Rom. 1. 19. Mic. 5. 8. Jren. l. 2. c. 30. Tertul. con Jud. p. 184. Quakerism a new nickname for old Christianity p. 54. 55. Rom. 2. 14 15. Justin Martyr saith That all are Christians who live with Christ as Abraham and Elias and amongst the Greeks as Sâ—…crates Hâ—…raclitus c. See Scultâ—…tus on him â—…ho also saith That some at this day are of his Judgment who have taught that Melchizedecâ—… Abimelâ—…ch Ruth Rachab the Queen of Sheba Hiram of Tyre Naaman tâ—…e Syrian and the City oâ—… Ninive are in the Catalogue of Christians Eusebius Pamph. in his Ecclesiastical History saith That Abraham and the ancient Fathers were Christians And defines a Christian to be one that by the Knowledge and Doctrine of Christ â—…xcels in Moderation of Mind in Righteousness and Continency of Life and Strength of Vertue Godliness towards one only God see Scultetus on him Clemens Alexandrinus saith The Law of Nature and of Discipline is one And Moses seems to call the Lord the Covenant For he had said before the Covenant was not to be sought in Scripture for that is the Covenant which God the Cause of all setteth whence his Name in Greek is derived And in the Preaching of Peter thou mayest find the Lord called the Word or Reason and the Law See
his 1 Book Strom at the end And before pag. 353. he saith The Law and the Gospel is the Operation of one â—…ord who is the Vertue Wisdom of God And the Fear which the Law had bred is mereiful to Salvation And the Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of VVisdom That she that is VVisdom that administreth Providence is Mistress and Good and the Power of both procureth Salvation the one Chastizing as Mistre's the other being bountiful as a Benefactor for on must pass from Darkness to Life and applying his Ear to wisdom first be a Servant then a faithful Minister and so asâ—…nd into the Number of Sons and be brought into the elect Adoption of Sons That the Law works to make them immortal that chuse to Live temperately and justly And Again Evil men do not understand the Law but they that seâ—…k the Lord do understand in every good thing And the whole first Book of the Stromatâ—… is especiâ—…ly to prove the Antiquity of the one true Religion or Philosophy aâ—… he calls it Ephes. 2. 8. 1 John 5. 4. Genesis 17. Gal. 5. 1 2. Acts 15. 28. Ther 's not laid down in Scripture any general Rule how to answer before Magistrates to act in Times of Sufferings Thus said a Baptist in print oâ—… to that purpose John 1. 9. Tit. 2. 11 12. John 18. 36. Isa. 54. 13. Joel 2. 28 Jer. 31. 33. Mal. 2. 7. Heb. 7. 24 25 26 27. Isa. 9. 6 7. Luk. 17. 20 21. Heb. 8. 10. Rev. 21. 3. Joel 2. 28. Tit. 2. 11 12. Job 32. 8. Rom. 1. 19. Gal 5. 16. 1 Joh 1 7. Isâ—… 2. 5. Rev. 21. 23. Gal. 6. 15 16. Galat. 6. 16. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this Rule as it is translated Phil. 3. 16. which is spoken of the Measure of Attainment and Grotius saith in the Manuscript Rule is not so it must be understood let us walk in the same Attainment as also in 2 Cor. 10. 13 15. in which three Places that word is only found See Erasmus Vatablus Zegerus Cameron Jaâ—… Capellus and Grotius on those places none whereof can be drawn to the Scriptures Zegerus interprets this Place of Gal. 6. 16. thus They that have â—…ollowed this Form of Life or Rule of the new Creaturâ—… having turned away from the invalid Cerâ—…monies of the Law Peace c. Drusius explains it from Chap. 5. 6. The new Creation i. Faith which worketh by Love Grotius saith Rule here is a Way made as to a Rule that is plainly Right such is that Way of the new Creation which was foretold Isa. 42. 9. And signifies the State of the new Man of which Paul Speaks Col. 3. 10 Eph. 2. 15. Rom. 6. 4. Bp. Rob. Sand. de Regâ—… ConsProel 4ta sect 31. Tertul. de Prescript Heraetic pag. 204. Dell. Confut. of Symps. p. 89 90. Hieron Tom. 4. 70. Bp. Jewel p. 532. Poâ—…ano 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 150 Eâ—…sinus on 1 〈◊〉 1. 19. Ib. 〈◊〉 1 Cor. 2. Luther Tom. 3. fol. 169. Peter Martyr Com. loc p. 1. c. 6. Ibid. p. 2. c. 18. Book of Martyr 3 vol. p. 298. Calvin Instit lib. 1. cap. 8. Beza on 2 Pet. 1. 19. Tindal works Pag. 319. 80. Jewel against Harding pag. 532 534. D. Ames against Bellâ—…m l. 1. c. 5. Thes. 32. G. Cradok divin drops pag. 217. C. Goad Refr drops pag. 12. Excrcit 2 7 9. against Quak. John 7. 17. 1 Cor. 2. 10. 1 Pâ—…t 1. 11. 1 Cor. 2. 10 11. Ephes. â—… 13. â—… Prelect 4. §. 21 22. Josâ—…phus Wars of the Iews l. 2. c. 7. Philo de spec leg decalog Laeâ—…t Hermip Orig. conâ—… Cels. â—…uint Curtiuâ—… ni vit Alâ—…x H. Grotius on Mat. 5. 34. Book Martyr vol. 3. p. 475. Gualâ—… Crâ—… Divine Drops p. 〈◊〉 Phil. 3. 16 B. Mart. vol. 3. P 577. B. Mart. vol. 3. P. 475. Rev. 21. 3 7. Isa. 54. 13. Rom. 11. 28. 29. Rom 〈◊〉 14 15. 1 Tim. 4. 8. Col 〈◊〉 20 21 〈◊〉 23. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 38 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 16. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 23. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Contradiction Contradiction His 1st Argum. His 2d Argum His 3d. Argum. * That Life which is the Light of men is Divine Unchangeable and Infinite and therefore preferred before is above all Sufferings which are temporary finite His 4th Argum. His 5th Argum. His 6th Argum. His 7th Argum His 8th Argum. * Let the Reader observe this by the Way thou maystremember that the Controversie between us was not whether the Light as in every man be the Christ or no but whether it be a divine Light of Christ which I affirm or but a Creature which I deny this is enough to my Intention Joh. 17. 11. and 14. 19. Mar. 16. 1â—… Luke 24. 36 4. 8. Joh. 20. 19. 23 24. 29 Mat. 28. 9 10. * And so he hath dealt with Acts 1. 11. saying In the same manner p. 21. instead of In like manner * H. G. * H. G. Contrad pag. 94. * This is Mat Caffin's old Story against the Light Mat. 5. 48. pag. 3. pag. 6. ☞ Wisd. 12. 1 2. pag. 18 ☜ * A meer Taâ—…tology Unless at sometime to say that Body of Flesh and Bone doth noâ—… respect its own matter and Substance but some other * Thus far in Answer to his Questions Dialogue pag. 58. Baptist's Excommunication Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom Excom The Marginal Notes are added (a) Some of your Brethren now scoff at the Quakers for bearing Witness to the Immortal Seed within (b) For this Doctrine of Perfection the Baptists now revile us who are called Quakers and furiously oppose it (c) Which Lightning and Revivings do assert the Inward Light immediate Teachings of God now opposed by many of the Baptists (d) And this Strength and Light must inwardly be received but not by them that hate the Light (e) Which are since greatly encreased among you (f) Many of you are greatly guilty of that witness your Railing Pamphlets Sermons against us (g) All these are fallen in upon you because you have refiâ—…ed the Light within which would give the Knowledge of the Power and Life (h) Herein you did own immediate Teaching (i) That Sense and Travel you have yet kept off and despise them that experience it (k) And you are more unsound now then ever neither can you be sound until you own the Light (l) And especially for your Envy and Hypocrisie (m) But now you despise them that do (n) Which kind of Pharisaical Babling is still very customary among you (o) Excepting that you are outwardly dipt but as inwardly corrupt as others and more envious then most Men are (p) And will yet fall more (q) Which shews the great hardnes of Heart that is among you (q) Oh! great Dryness and Withering is come upon you (r) So you have Cause still to mourn much more (s) The slavish Fear of many of you hath greatly appeared in