as you haue heard And some cause might be also of this speciall commission for Iudges and Iustices to assist Bishops and so no doubt it was for that the said Lollards and VVickcliffians had not onlie been troublesome and daungerous to the State vnder the raignes of King Richard the secoÌ„d and Henry the 4. but vnto the person and life of this man also some moneths before this Statute by conspiring his death and raising a daungerous rebellion in S. Giles field by London as both VValsingham and other authoâ—s doe reporte and therefore no maruaile though authoritie be giuen as heer is said that the Sheriffes and other Officers maie aâ—â—est apprehend them and what maketh this for M. Attorneys purpose 25. But further I cannot but maruaile at his note in the margent Lollardy saith he is of lolio which signifieth Cockle for as Clockle is the destruction of the corne so is heresie of true religion and then doth he bring in two seuerall verses the one of Virgil and the other of Ouid about lolium shewing himself thereby a good grammarian though yet in the thing it self he was much deceiued For that Lollards and Lollardy being a particular sect of hereticks are not deriued from the latin word Lolium signifying cockle or darnel as the verie deriuation it self might easily shew but of the first author therof named Gualter Lolhard a German about the yeare of Christ 1315. as Tritemius in his Cronicle declareth and is larglie shewed in a booke some yeares past set forth in our English tongue by a Catholike writer which if M. Attorney had read he might easilie haue auoided this grosse mistaking From which also I maruaile that his affectioÌ„ to the men had not somewhat with-held him for that they were of his religion not cockle but good corne if wee beleiue his great historiographer and deuine Iohn Fox who setteth them out not onlie for good Christians but for Saints and martyrs in his bookes of Martyrologe Acts and Monuments But thus these men agree togeather Out of the raigne of King Henry the sixt the fiftenth King after the Conquest §. III. 26. Out of this Kings raigne which endured most Catholiklie for neere 40. yeares though vnfortunately through wars sedition and broiles of the Realme M. Attorney findeth onlie these three poore instances ensuing The Attorney Excommunication made and certified by the Pope is of no force to disable any man within England and this is by the auncient Common laws before anie Statute was made concerning forraine iurisdiction The King only may graunt or licence to found a spiritual incorporation In the raigne of K. Henry the 6. the Pope wrote letters in derogation of the King and his regalty and the Church-men durst not speake against them but Humfrey Duke of Glocester for their safe-keeping put them into the sier The Catholicke Deuyne 27. To the first hath been answered diuers times before that it appeareth to haue been an agreement at that tyme in England that the Popes Bulls of excommunication should not bee published by particular men but with the certificate of some Bishop for more authoritie c. as it is now also vsed in diuers Catholicke CouÌ„tries for auoiding the fraudes and practice of particular inquiet people that by false suggestions get Buls c. But that this was by the auncient CommoÌ„ laws before anie Statute made hath no probabilitie at all as by the whole Course of our auncient Catholicke Kings hath been declared And it groweth now somewhat loathsome and ridiculous to see M. Attorney runne so often to this common Chymera of auncient Common-lawes without shewing any or any likeli-hood that any such were or could bee in auncient tymes amongst our auncestors for that their religion deuotion sense and iudgement ran wholy to the contrary in those dayes Whervpon it followeth as often we haue said that if a Common-law could not be made admitted or authorized without some common consent of Prince and people it is vnpossible that such common laws should then bee as M. Attorney doth frame heer to his fansie vpon euery occasion that pleaseth him 28. That the King onlie maie graunt licence to found a spirituall incorporatioÌ„ maie bee vnderstood in two sortes First that the said incorporation cannot bee made or erected within his dominions or founded with lands goods or rents without his leaue and licence and this wee denie not Secondlie that the said spiritual incorporation should haue her spiritualtie from the King that is to saie her spirituall and ecclesiasticall priuiledges of being such an incorporation belonging to the Church And this wee haue seen by the practice of all times in England both before and after the Conquest to haue been euer sought and receiued from the Sea Apostolicke wherof wee haue a particuler demonstration set downe before in the 6. Chapter of this our Answere 29. The last which he obiecteth of the fact of Humfrey Duke of Glocester that cast as he saith the Popes letters into the fire for their safe-Keeping is rather a iest than an argument And I maruaile M. Attorney a man of his degree would bring it forth and print it also for an argument whether the thing be true or false For if it fell out as heer is noted in the margent vpon the first yeare of King Henry the 6. his raigne when the King was but eight moneths old and the said Duke his vncle Gouernour of the Land and in his cheifest ruffe who afterward came thereby to soe pittifull a ruine both of himself his freinds and the Realme euerie man maie see what force this iest maie haue which yet I haue not read in anie other author besydes M. Attorney and so to him I leaue it OF THE RAIGNE OF FOVRE ENSVING KINGS TO VVIT Edward the fourth Edward the fifth Richard the third and Henry the seauenth And how conforme they were vnto their auncestours in this point of controuersie which we haue in hand CHAP. XIIII THe line of Lancaster being put downe and remoued from the Crowne by the depriuation and death of K. Henry the 6. and his sonne as before you haue heard there entred the howse of Yorke with no lesse violeÌ„ce of armes and effusion of bloud but rather more then the other familie had done before by taking to it self the Crowne from the head of K. Richard the 2. For that Edward Duke of Yorke by dint of sword inuesting himself of the scepter by the same maintained it though with much trouble feares iealousies for the space of 22. yeares and then thinking to leaue it quietlie to his sonne Edward the 5. though with protestation and oath at his death as Syr Thomas More recordeth that if he could as well haue forseene the vanitie of that ambition as now with his more paine then pleasure he had proued he would neuer haue wonne the curtesie of mens knees with the losse of so manie heads
Queenes priuie Counsell and vvhether they vvere true or false yet touched they not Fa Garnet vvho neuer had acquaintance or treaty vvith them 36. And vvhereas you saie that he came into England with purpose to prepare the way against the great compounded nauy that followed in the yeare 1588. It is euident that his comming into England vvas tvvo yeares and a halfe at the least before the saied time vvhen there vvas neither notice nor speach nor perhapps so much as a thought of that nauie to come and vvhen aftervvard it appeared on our seas it had not so much as one English Priest or Iesuit in all that multitude of men vvhich is like it vvould haue had if M. Henry Garnet and M. Robert South-well that came in togeather had byn sent to prepare the vvaie for the same Your combinations also of bookes and attemptes the one allwaies as you saie accompanying the other though you esteemed it perhaps a vvittie fine deuise and probable to the vnlearned hearers that cannot distinguish of times or things yet others that looked into the matter more iudiciouslie and found neither coherence of time or subiect betvveene the booke by you named and the attempts pretended laughed in their sleeues remembring the saying of the Poet Non sat commodè diuisa sunt temporibus tibi Daue haec I vvill reapeat your vvordes of one onlie comparison and thereof let the rest be iudged Then cometh forth Squiar saie you with his plot of treason but this not alone neither but was accompanyed with another pernicious booke written by Dolman vvhich vvordes importe that Dolmans booke did accompanie Squiars treason but he that shall examine the order of Chronologie shal fynde in this matter that Dolmans booke vvas in print foure yeares at least before Squiars treason if he committed treason vvas euer heard of nor hath the argument of the booke anie more affinitie at all vvith Squiars fact then hath a fox vvith a figg tree but onlie that your floating Chimeraes intoxicating to vse your ovvne vvordes your hearers braynes doe make you seeme to speake oftentimes mysticallie vvhen in deede you speake miserablie 37. Yovv remember I thinke hovv the aforesaid gentleman in his booke for others doe not forget it gaue you a friendlie reprehension by the vvordes of the famous Orator Catulus or rather of Cicero in his name for a ridiculous fact of yours in vveeping and shedding manie teares in follovving the fiction of Squiars conspiracie at the barre therebie to vvynne credit and shevv your self admirable at that time to the Earle of Essex and others in authoritie but novv I am to expostulate vvith you vpon this occasion for another no lesse patheticall excesse vttered in pleading against M. Garnet vvherein not so much your teares did run as your haires did stand and stare and your eares glovv to heare blasphemie vttered by him in a certaine letter of his intercepted VVherein saie you was conteyned one of the most horrible blasphemyes that euer I heard proceed from any Atheist and maketh my haire to stand on end to thinke of it So you saie 38. And vvhat vvas this horrible blasphemie good Syr that put your tender and religious hart in such a pittifull plight and horror It follovveth that he had written with the iuyce of a lemmō to his friendes abroad out of the tower that he had byn often examined but nothing was produced against him but yet necesse est vt vnus homo moriatur pro populo So you alleadged the text and added presentlie See how he assumeth most blasphemously to himself the wordes that were spoken of Christ our Sauiour but I hope ere he dy he will repent him of this blasphemy 39. But good Syr did you looke vpon the place of S. Iohns gospell before you recited the same and plaied this pageant in so solemne an essemblie Yf you did then vvill you fynd that these vvordes vvere spoken by an euill man vnto an euill sense in his ovvne meaning to vvit by Caiphas that persuaded first in a Councell gathered vpon the resuscitation of Lazarus to put Christ to death thereby to content the Romanes vvho had the vvhole Ievvish nation in iealosie of their loyaltie tovvardes the Emperour and that novv by putting one to death that vvas accused though falslie to denie tribute to be paied to Cesar they should cleere their credit vvith the said Emperour and by his onlie death preuent the destruction of the said Ievvish people by the Romane armies and therefore he said Expedit nobis vt vnus homo moriatur pro populo non totagens pereat It is expedient for vs that one man dy for the people to the end the vvhole nation be not destroied And therefore he saieth not necesse est as you cite the vvordes but expedit to shevv his politicall drift therein 40. And this being Caiphas his crastie and vvicked counsaile and his vvordes in his sense bearing this meaning the holie ghost vvhich as S. Chrysostome and other holie Fathers doe affirme ostantum non scelestum eius cor attigit moued his tongue and not his vvicked mind and vvas in his vvordes not in his sense made him vnvvittinglie to vtter a prophesie and a great high misterie that except one man to vvit Christ should die for the sinnes of the people none could be saued Novv then Syr this sentence of Caiphas hauing tvvo meanings and senses as you haue heard let vs examine vvhich vvas most probable to be vsed and alluded vnto by M. Garnet vvho gathering by manie coniectures that you and some other of his good friendes had a great desire to bring the Iesuitts vvithin the compasse of this late odious treason or at least-vvise vvithin the suspition or hatred thereof for that the lay-gentlmen partakers of the fact vvere thought to be deuoted tovvardes them and their Order and seing that God vnexpectedlie had deliuered him into your handes he might verie vvell thinke that he at least should paie for the rest and die also of likeli-hood for disgracing the rest and in that sense alluded to the vvordes of Caiphas tending to like policie 41. But novv for the second sense vvhich particularlie designed the death of Christ our Sauiour for the redemption of man-kinde none I thinke is so simple as vvould imagine M. Garnet to applie to himself though in this point also M. Attorney is to be taught out of true diuinitie that diuerse places vttered litterallie of Christ in holie scripture maie secondarily also by allusion be applied vnto men and this vvithout all horror of blasphemie or imputation of Atheisme vvhich are M. Attorneyes passionate accusations in this place As for example vvhere the Prophet vvriteth of him Et cum iniquis reputatus est he vvas esteemed vvith the vvicked vvhich vvas meant immediatlie and principallie by the holie-ghost of Christ and yet by allusion it maie be applied to anie of his seruants And that
thereof you vvax so vvarme in your accusations against Catholickes Catholicke religion vvhich your progenitors and auncestors did so highly reuerence honour and esteeme as the indignity thereof and the leuity and open vntruth of the cauillations calumniations themselues for so in deed they are to be accompted rather then graue accusations did enkyndle in me some extraordinary heat for their reiection and depulsion as you vvil see in the places themselues but especially in the last chapter of my expostulations against you 9. Out of vvhich I must here againe repeat one thing briefly vvhich there I haue more at large declared and more earnestly vrged to vvit the obligation you haue both in honour and conscience according to the rules of all true Christian diuinitie to enforme rightlie his Maiesty in certayne pointes vvherin your self being at that time deceaued misinformed also his highnes at the first presentation of your Booke vnto him if my information thereof be true And for that the point it self is of very great consequence and that the misconceat or vvrong impression of his Maiesty maâ—e be to the great preiudice of manie of his dutifull subiectes I am the more earnest to vrge this obligation vpon you especiallie for that I vnderstand that since the edition of your booke you haue in a certayne publicke Act solemne assemblie and most honorable auditorie repeated againe and auouched the said iniurious assertion concerning Catholickes that their Recusancy began vpon disloyaltie by occasion of the excommunication of Q. Elizabeth by Pope Pius Quintus vpon the eleuenth yeare of her raigne and for that cause and not before nor vpon anie other motiue 10. VVhich iniurious charge though it vvere sufficientlie refuted there in presence by the prisoner at the barre to the satisfaction of al indifferent people that might easilie descrie your passion â—â—erin yet haue I shevved the same more at length â—â— my said last Chapter of this booke vvhich I â—ould vvish you had read before so confidentlie â—ou had repeated the same charge againe in the â—â—id assemblie auouching vpon your fidelitie and â—â—ervpon challeÌ„ging anie Recusant vvhatsoeuer â—â—at noe Catholicke or other refused to repaire to our seruice vntill the said eleuenth yeare of the Queenes raigne but I haue shevved out of puâ—licke testimonies that you ar deceaued therin â—â—at both manie Catholickes Puritanes vvere â—pen Recusants before that yeare and neither of â—â—em vpoÌ„ that cause vvhich you suggest so you â—â—e hovv farre your fidelitie vvhich you pavvne â—or the matter maie hereby come in question â—â— I could further put you in mind of manie â—ther ouerlashing speaches tending to the hurte â—nd daÌ„mage yea bloud and death also of diuers â—sed by you in that great assemblie if I thought â—ou vvould take it frendlie and helpe your self â—â—ereby to the right examen of your conscience â—etvvene God and you vvhen you are alone as â—atholicke doctrine teacheth men to doe espeâ—â—ally of iniurious vvordes against their brethren â—herof our Sauiour Christ in S. Mathewes ghospel â—ronouÌ„ceth so seuere a sentence as he appointeth â—oth iudgment counsaile hel fyre for punishmeÌ„t of the same and addeth further that no idle word shall passe from vs whereof we shall not giue accompt in the day of iudgement and if not idle vvordes hovv much lesse slaunderous calumnious and infamatory vvhereof you vsed store against manie innocent men that day especially against Fa Garnet and his ovvne Order of Iesuites vvherof some I may not pretermit in this place 12. You said at the very first entrance vnto your speach in that place that you vvould speake of nothing but of the late most horrible treason vvhich for distinctioÌ„s sake you vvould call the Iesuits treason For if it be iust saie you that euery thing be called by the name of the Author then seing the Iesuits haue byn the Authors of this treason you vvould not doe them the iniurie to take from them anie thing vvhich is theirs or to miscall anie thing vvhich appertayneth properlie to them especiallie seing in euery crime plus peccat auctor quà m actor the author is more culpable and blame-vvorthie then the actor as is apparent by the example saie you of Adam Eue and the Serpent where the Serpent for that it was the first author of that attempt committed three sinns Eua that was tempted two sinns and Adam that was the chiefest actor but one sinne This vvas your eloquence at that time I doubt not but that the learned prisoner standing at the barre vvhome you othervvise so highlie commended for this talents if other cirâ—umstances had giuen him leaue could haue smiâ—ed at your exact enumeratioÌ„ of the diuells sinnes vvho yet for that it is not read that he did eate â—nie of the apple vvith Adam and Eue it is like you vvould be much troubled to finde out his three â—eueral sinnes in that matter if you vvere put vnto â—he proofe and you knovv vvhat our common â—aying is That it is a shame to bely the Diuell 13. But to leaue this point to be discussed betvveene you I must needes saie that you offer the Iesuites an apparent iniurie in making this last â—reason so proper and peculiar to them as that you vvill needes haue it called the Iesuites treason â—nd they to be the principall Authors vvhereas notvvithstanding vvhen all came to all no other â—hing I vveene vvas proued against them but â—hat the prisoner there present had receaued only a simple notice of that treason by such a meanes as he could not vtter and reueale againe by the lavves of Catholicke doctrine that is to saie in Confession and this but a very fevv daies before the discouerie but yet neuer gaue anie consent helpe hearkening approbation or cooperation to the same but contrari-vvise sought to dissuade dehorte and hinder the designment by all the meanes he could 14. And is this sufficient M. Attorney to laie the denomination of this foule fact vpon the vvhole order of Iesuites that one of them or tvvo at the most knevv thereof by such a vvaie as probablie they could not auoid or preuent the knovvledge not fore-seeing vvhat he penitent vvould confesse and once hauing heard it in that manner remained bound by the inuiolable seale of that Sacrament not to vtter the same but in such manner as the confitent should allovv of though neuer so great temporall dammage vvere imminent for the concealement And this is the sacred band of a Catholicke priestly conscience much like to that of Angells vvho though they knovv manie great hurtes or dangers to hang ouer kingdomes States Common vvealthes or particuler men be desirous out of their loue to mankinde to preuent the same yet are they not free to reueale vvhat they knovv thereof in regarde of anie future good or hurt vvhatsoeuer but onlie vvhere they are permitted and licenced in particular yet ar they not iustlie to be accompted accessarie to the euills
might not haue conspired togeather to haue put downe men for a time and to haue taken the gouernment of the Church vpon themselues making themselues the Cleargie as their husbands were the laity And truly albeit this may seeme ridiculous yet I see not what in earnest can be answered heervnto but onlie the noueltie and indecency of the thinge For as for the lawfulnes according to Luthers doctrine that holdeth all people to be Priests and capable of all spirituall functions both men and women I se no great difficultie And as for the said inconueniences of noueltie and indecency there might seeme to be as great or greater in giuing Ecclesiasticall primacy to a woman as to make another woman her substitute or Vicaresse But we see the first done and therfore the second in like manner might haue been done if her Maiestie had pleased 5. But leauing this we shall returne to our Case of Caudery the Clerke who whether he were a Catholike Priest or Puritan-minister that was depriued for refusing to follow the Communion-booke is vncertaine but whatsoeuer he was it seemeth that his cause was much ouer borne by the Current of the time in fauour of the Bishop of London that depriued him which I notwithstanding would not trouble my self nor my Reader to repeate in this place but that I am forced therunto in regarde that vpon his Plea Resolution of the temporall Iudges theron riseth out the occasion of our particular Controuersie about Q. Elizabeths Spirituall Iurisdiction 6. First then the said Cauderyes Counsell pleaded for him that wheras in the Statute concerning the foresaid Booke of Common praier which they said was made with much moderation and equitie it was appointed and ordained that if any did offend against the same he should for the first time loose onlie the profit of his Ecclesiasticall liuings for one yeare and suffer imprisonment for six moneths And for the second offence be depriued ipso facto And for the third be imprisoned during his life And that of euery of these offences in order the delinquent should be seuerally conuicted condemned iudiciallie which they said that the Bishop of London had not obserued but had depriued Caudery for the first offence and this vpon no notorious euidence of the fact or by his owne confession as the statute ordeyned but onlie by default of his appearance So as they alleadged two great and important defects to haue been committed by him and consequentlie his fact to be voide And yet not withstanding saith M. Attorney it was resolued by the whole Courte that the Bishops sentence was not to be impeached for either of them First for that it was not said in the Queens Commission that you shall proceed thus and not other wise or in no other manner or forme Secondlie for that the Ecclesiasticall and temporall laws haue seueral proceedings and seuerall ends And thirdlie for that there is a certaine prouiso in the said Act that all Archbishops and Bishops and euery of their Chancellours Commissaryes Archdeacons and other Ordinaries hauing peculiar Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction may inquire and punish within their said Iurisdictions by admonition excommunication sequestration or depriuation c. 7. But by M. Attorneyes leaue none of these three shifts can satisfie the reason of an indifferent man in this Case For first the Commission giuen to punish by the Queene was stricti Iuris and consequētly not to bee inlarged further than the expresse words doe beare especially seeing that it is in preiudice of others And the second euasion seemeth preiudicial to the Iudges themselues confessing therby in effect that albeit by their Common-law which pretendeth to follow Reason the Bishops proceeding was not warrant-able yet it might be so by the Ecclesiasticall law that belike proceedeth without Reason though how or why nothing is here sett downe but onlie this that the temporall law is to inflict punishment vpon the body lands and goods the other being spiritual is pro salute anima the one to punish the outward man the other to reforme the inward as though this externall act of depriuing Caudery from his benefice did not punish him outwardlie as well as reforme him inwardlie and yet doth M. Attorney as though he had said somewhat to the purpose quote his booke for it and theron maketh this conclusion Then saith he both these distinct and seuerall Iurisdictions consist and stand vvell togeather and doe ioyne in this to haue the vvhole man inwardly and outwardlie reformed Which conclusion supposinge as you see all Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction to be inward onlie is denied by vs flattlie for that we hold Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction to be both internall and externall in fore conscientia in fore contentioso as in the precedent Chapter we haue shewed And secondlie we saie that this seemeth nothinge to the purpose for releeuinge the Bishop of London his Act in depriuinge Caudery beyond the forme of his Commission 8. The third euasion also vnder colour of the forenamed prouiso is to little purpose for that it alloweth only ordinary Ecclesiasticall Iudges within their proper Iurisdictions to proceed by admonition excommunication sequestration or depriuation which was not so dangerous a matter for so much as the partie aggreiued might allwaies appeale from them to higher courts for remedy if he were aggreiued But this authoritie of the high commissioners being extraordinarie and supreame hath no Appellation from it and consequentlie it was more reason and needfull that their Authoritie should be limited with some bounds and that they should not exceed the strict words of their commission to the end that the aggreiued might appeale at leastwise to the faid Commission clauses therof when they found themselues iniured And the argumēt vsed heere by M. Attorney à fortiore hath no force at all to witt that for so much as these inferiour Ecclesiasticall ordinarie Iudges had power to proceed without restraint of anie particular forme much more high Commissioners had that Authoritie giuen them For that saith he Cui licet quod in maius est non debet quod minus est non licere Hee that may doe the greater may not be denyed the lesser This I say is to simple to be brought forth by so graue a Sage of the law as M. Attorney is held to be First for that this Maximè agreeth not properly to out case For albeit no man deny but that high Commissioners could doe more and greater things than these ordinarie Commissaries yet for this it self they needed more to be bound and tyed to a prescript manner of iustifiable proceeding as hath been said least they might iniure and oppresse men at their pleasure without remedy And secondlie is is not allwayes true that he which can doe the greater can doe the lesse when it is in different kind of Iurisdictions ordinary or extraordinarie as in our case it falleth out 9. For if for examples sake a Visitour be sent
this fierce and warlike Prince did beare vnto this Prelate as also how singular authority and confidence the good Archbishop had with him 22. But as we haue said his true sense meaning will best be sene by owne his words behauiour at his death when finding himself in great affliction and perplexity of mynd with the â—â—ror therof as before hath byn touched and of Gods iudgemenâ— ensuing theron for that to vse his owne words he saw himself â—â—den with many and greiuous sinnes and greatly polluted with the effuâ—â—â—â— much bloud and ready to be taken by and by vnto the terrible examination 〈◊〉 God c. In this plight I say which Stow and others 〈◊〉 downe out of auncient authors his greatest comfort◠〈…〉 he had byn euer obedient to the Church whervnto by 〈…〉 he assigned the most parte of his treasure adding this 〈◊〉 therof that those things that had byn heaped vp by wicked deeds might be disposed to holy vses of Saincts And then turning his speach to Ecclesiasticall men he said You remember how sweetly I haue euer loued you and how strongly against all emulations defended you The Church of God which is our mother I neuer violated but in euery place where reason required did willingly honour I haue not sold Ecclesiasticall dignityes and Symony I allwayes detested in the election of Pastors I euer searched out the merits of his life his learning and wisdome and so neer as I could committed the gouernment of the Church vnto the most worthy this may be seen in Lanfranke Archbishop of Canterbury and in Anselme Abbot of Becke and others c. This course haue I followed from my first years this I leaue vnto my heirs to be kept in all tymes In this doe you my Children euer follow me to the end that heerby you may please both God and man c. 23. And this was the last speach of the Conquerour to his children and others standing by at the day of his death which doth sufficiently declare what his sense iudgement was concerning this point of spirituall iurisdiction And to impugne and ouerthrow all this our aduersary the Attorney had need to bring many and strong batterings as you see Let vs passe then to examine what they are The first Instance taken out of the raigne of this K. VVilliam the Conquerour §. III. 24. One instance only doth M. Attorney find to be alleadged during the raigne of this Prince which we shall alleadge in his owne words as they ly in his booke and this shall we obserue commonly through all his instances Thus then he saith The Attorney It is agreed that no man only can make any appropriation of any Church hauing cure of soules being a thing Ecclesiasticall and to be made to some person Ecclesiasticall but he that hath Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction But William the first of himself without any other as king of England made appropriâ—tâ—â—â— of Churches vvith Cure to Ecclesiasticall persons vvherefore it followeth that he had Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction The Catholike Deuine 25. This is the only one argument or instance as hath bene said which M. Attorney hath found in all the life of K. VVilliam the first wherby to proue his principall Conclusion which is that K. VVilliam had as much Ecclesiasticall power and iurisdiction by the auncient common lawes of England as euer had Queene Elizabeth and she as much as euer anie Ecclesiasticall person had or might haue in EnglaÌ„d And yet you se that if al were grauÌ„ted which heere is set downe it amounteth to no more but that K. VVilliam did bestow a benefice with Cure vpon an Ecclesiasticall person which he might doe either by nominating or presenting as patrone of the benefice or by some indult from the Pope or Bishop of the diocesse in that behalfe or vnder ratihabition as before in Charters hath been declared or finallie he might doe it De facto and not De Iure as oftentimes it falleth out in such actions of Princes And in all these senses though we graunt whatsoeuer M. Attorney saith setteth downe in this place it commeth so far short to proue supreame Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction in K. VVilliam as it proueth not anie spirituall iurisdiction at all for that all he saith may be grauuted in any lay-man whatsoeuer which wee shall endeauour to make cleere by explication and distinction of those things which heere are set downe confusedly by M. Attorney 26. First then this instance consisteth of a Syllogisme as you see the Maior wherof is related out of the collection of some law booke as may appeere by his quotation in the margent though I haue not the booke by me and we graunt the proposition to be true in his due sense to wit that no man can appropriate a Church or benefice with Cure to an Ecclesiasticall man but he that hath Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction And then we deny the Minor proposition which â—â— of M. Attorneys owne addition to wit that K. VVilliam did so appropriate or bestow any benefice with Cure vpon an Ecclesiasticall person except it were in one of the fower manners before specified And M. Attorney ought to haue proued his said Minor if he had delt substantially 27. And moreouer I find that he faltereth somewhat also 〈◊〉 setting downe the very words of his Maior proposition though much more in the true sense as presently shall be declared For wheras he beginneth It is agreed that no man can make any appropriation c. the latin words of this Report cited by himself are Inter omnes conuenit quod nemo possit appropriare c. which haue this sense that it is a common receiued opinion to wit from the Canon-law that no man can appropriate or bestow a Church with Cure except he haue Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction But M. Attorney by shutting out the word inter omnes and translating the rest it is agreed would make his reader thinke that it was an agreement or resolution only of the temporall Iudges in this case in K. Edward the 3. his raigne and that they first founded this Maxime about Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction wheras they related it only as an auncient Maxime receaued in the Canon and Ciuill law in this sense which presently we shall declare 28. And wheras he translateth the word appropriare Ecclesiam Ecclesiasticae personae To make appropriation of any Church to an Ecclesiasticall person this may haue two senses be meant either of appropriations or collations of benefices wherin there is little difference in respect of our controuersie for that neither appropriation nor collation can be truly and properly made without spirituall iurisdiction either ordinary or delegate And as for appropriations which consisted coÌ„monly in this that the gleab-lands and the better tithes were vnited to some religious houses or Parsons leauing the lesser tithes vnto their Vicars they could not be made nor graunted but by the licence of the Sea Apostolicke as neither in our
bestowing of Ecclesiasticall benefices 〈◊〉 inuiolate and that such as are Patrons of benefices may present fit men of your nation when they shall fall void c. 23. But yet the next yeare after the King calling a generall Parlament at London and the former greiuances not seeming to be sufficiently remedied by the said recourse to the Councell answers and promises of the Pope the same complaints were renewed againe with greater exasperation then before and the said greiuances put downe in writing All which being considered and weighed by the Parlament Vnanimiter consenserâ—â—t omnes saith Mathew Paris vt adhuc ob reuerentiam Sediâ— Apostolicae Domino Papae humiliter deuotè tam per Epistolas quam per solennes Nunciâ—s supplicarent vt tam intollerabilia grauamina iugum subtraheret importabile The whole Parlament did agree that yet once more for reuerence of the Sea Apostolike humble and deuout supplication should be made to the Pope both by their letters and solemne messengers that he would take from them the intollerable greiuances and importable yoke which by the foresaid abuses they felt to ly vpon them And so presently were written letters seuerally to be sent by the said messengers Frist by the Archbishops and Bishops Secondly by the Abbots Priors religious men Thirdly by the Earls Barons and communitie of the Parlament Fourthly by the King himself who wrote not only to the Pope as the rest did but a seueral letter also to the Cardinals to further the suite which letters are set downe by Mathew Paris at length and are to long for this place 24 Yet one thing I cannot omit that wheras the King wrote most deuoutly humbly both to the Pope Cardinals saying that he did make recourse in these complaints of his nobility and subiects to the Church of Rome Vt filius ad matrem quem suis lactavit vberibus as a sonne to his mother whome she hath nourished with her teates of mylke The said Barons though oftentimes repeating the words implorantes humiliter ac deuotè we beseeching you humbly and deuoutly vt dignemini miscricorditer exaudire that you wil vouchsafe mercifully to heare vs Yet adioyned they also this threat in the end that except they were eased of these burthens laid vpon them the Realme and their King they should be forced to put themselues as a wall for defence of the liberties of the said Kingdome which hitherto for reuerence of the Sea Apostolike they had differred to doe nor could expect any longer then the returne of their Embassadours So they 25. And by this we may se where the beginning was of those restraints which afterward in the dayes of other ensuing Kings were made against prouisions from Rome and benefices to be giuen to strangers as also against appeals in certaine cases other such like ordinances which seeme to containe some restraint of the execution of the Popes Ecclesiasticall authority in England Which did not rise as you see vpon any change of former faith or iudgement in religion or calling in question the said Popes spirituall iurisdiction ouer soules but only vpon temporall respects reasons of state and the like which concerned nothing at all faith or beleife or substance of religion And this one only consideration ouerthroweth all the poore obiections which M. Attorney hath picked out vnder the raigne of this other Kings that follow which now we shall take in hand to examine and discusse euery one as they come in their place Two instances alleadged out of the Raigne of this King Henry the third and of what weight they be §. I. 26. And first what doe you thinke M. Attorney bringeth out of this Kings raigne or can bring to ouerthrow all that we haue alleadged before in the same Kings life beleife gouernment and actions Doth he alleadge any one Law or Statute of his for that he was the father and founder of our Statute-lawes as he confesseth doth he produce any one decree wherby he declared that he thought himself to haue supreme spirituall authority or denyed or called in question that of the Sea Apostolike notwithstanding all the greiuances which before haue byn mentioned No truly no one word is alleadged therof though otherwise as I said this K. Henry made many Statutes at sundry Parlaments as for example vpon the 9. yeare of his raigne he made the famous Charter wherof we haue spoken before called Magna Charta containing 37. Chapters which may in effect be called so many different Statutes The first wherof beginneth thus VVe haue graunted to God and by this our present Charter haue confirmed for vs and for our heirs for euermore that the Church of England shall be free and shall haue all her holy rites and libertyes inuiolable So 〈◊〉 first and most ancient Statute and the cheifest liberty of the Church of England is vnderstood to haue byn their free dependance of the Sea Apostolike and their recourse therevnto without interruption or intermedling of any secular power in their Ecclesiasticall affaires 27. Besides this there was made by him in the same 9. yeare of his raigne the other notorious Charter named Charta de Foresta coÌ„taining 16. Chapters or brauÌ„ches as also the other named Merton vpon the 20. yeare of the said Kings raigne that hath six seuerall braunches or Statutes as diuers others also made vpon the 51. year of the said Kings raigne intituled vnder diuers particular titles as Dies communes in Banco Dies communes in dote Districtâ—â—â— Scaeccariae Iudicium Collistrigij de compositione mensurarum and the like And finally the other booke of Statutes made vpon 52. yeare called Marle-bridge containing 16. braunches or statutes In all which no one thing is found in fauour of M. Attorney or his assertion but many for vs if we would examine the partes and clauses of euery one For that the religion of England in that tyme being perfectly Catholike and agreeing in all things with it self with other Kingdomes of the world in one manner of beliefe and acknowledgement of the dependance of Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall power from the Sea Apostolike they could not make lawes for ordering their temporall affaires but must needs enterlace many things that did testifie the conformitie and subordination therof to the spirituall And if any temporall lawyer in England at this day though of far inferiour account and place to M. Attorney would take vpon him to write a booke alleadge all the lawes both common and statute and braunches therof that doe confirme allow or strengthen the Catholike Religion from most auncient tymes wherin any memory is of our lawes he might so far ouerbeare M. Attorney both in bulke and substance and truth of his allegations as S. Augustines volumes for example doe exceed in all these points Esops fables And this will you see in parte by that which we are now first to examine in this place I meane his first obiection set downe
imò à quoâ—iâ— alio de veritate contrarij si quis eam nouerit humiliter informati We being ready alwayes to be humbly informed of the truth of the contrary not only from your holy iudgement which gouerneth all but from any other that knoweth the same 9. So K. Edward to the Pope at that time concerning his great controuersie of France And albeit he was neuer wholy deuoid of the ielousies suspicions before mentioned that those French Popes did fauour more his enemies the Kings of France then himself and did assist them also oftentymes with graunts of great pecuniary succours vpon the Clergy as himself in some letters doth complaine yet did he neuer for this loose any inward respect reuereÌ„ce or obedience to the said Sea Apostolicke No nor did the said Sea cease for many years after to vse her auncient custome of prouiding Bishopricks and Prelacies in England though commonly they were English-men only As for example the very next yeare after to wit 1344. and 18. of King Edwards raigne the said Pope Clement made Bishop of Norwich one VVilliam Bate-man that had byn Auditour of his Pallace and Courte in Auinion And in the yeare 1362. Pope Vrbanus the fifth made Bishop of Lincolne by his prouision one Iohn Buckingham and of Chichester one VVilliam Lynne and King Edward admitted the same without resistance And foure years after that againe the same Pope vpon the death of Simon Islep Archbishop of Canterbury gaue that Bishopricke by his prouision to Simon Langtham that was Bishop of Ely and translated Iohn Barnet Bishop of Bath from that Sea to Ely and one M. Iohn Harwell being commended greatly by Prince Edward of VVales to the said Pope was admitted by him to the said Bishoprick of Bath as also VVilliam VVickham bearer of the Kings priuy signet was preferred by the said Pope vnto the Bishopricke of VVinchester Domino Rege procurante saith Walsingham that is King Edward procuring and labouring for the same 10. And two yeares after this againe in the yeare 1368. we read that the foresaid Simon Langtham being made Cardinall by Pope Vrbanus and therevpon resigning his Archbishopricke of Canterbury the Pope by his prouision gaue the same to VVilliam VVriothesley Bishop of VVorcester and the foresaid Lynne Bishop of Chichester he translated vnto the Bishopricke of VVorcester and vnto the Church of Chichester he promoted one VVilliam Roade In all which wee read not that K. Edward made any difficulty And the very next yeare after this againe wee find registred that the same Pope prouided the Churches of Norwich Hereford and Exceâ—â—â— of Bishops by his owne prouision only it is said of the later of the three quod Thomas Brangthingham fauore literarum Domini Regis Edwardi ad Exoniensem Ecclesiam promotus est Thomas Brangthingham was promoted by the Pope to the Church of Excester through fauour of the letters of K. Edward 11. And finally this matter went on in this manner vntill towards the later end of K. Edwards raigne when he growing old and feeble as well in iudgement as in body and matters depending most vpon his sonne Iohn of Gaunt who was a disorderly man in those dayes and much cried out vpon by all the Common-wealth as may appeare by that he was afterward deposed by Parlament from al gouernment though it lasted not long shewed himself enemy to the State of the Clergy as soone after he well declared by the imprisoning of VVilliam VVickham Bishop of VVinchester assayling Courtney Bishop of London fauoring the famous hereticke Iohn VVickcliffe at his beginning publickly and other such signes and demonstrations at this time I say being the 47. of the raigne of K. Edward according to VValsingham or 49. according to Polidor though the booke of Statutes doth appoint in the 25. and 27. years of the said Kings raigne were the Statutes made or perhaps begun to be put in execution against recourse to Rome except in causes of appellation and against prouisions of benefices to be gotten or procured from thence not at home by the patrons thereof Rex Edwardus saith Polidor primus omnium de Consilij sententia indixit immanem illis paenam qui in posterum impetrarent vbiuis gentium Anglicana sacerdotia à Romano Pontifice aut causas nisi per appellat tonem ad eundem deferrent c. Lex prouisionis siue de Praemoneri vocitatur King Edward first of all other Kings by the sentence of his Counsell did decree most horrible punishment vnto those that for the time to come should in any parte of the world obtaine English benefices from the Pope of Rome or should carry any causes vnto him but only by appellation The law is called the law of Prouision or Praemunire 12. And the same Author addeth further that Pope Gregory the 11. hearing of this law tooke the matter greiuously and wrote to King Edward for the reuocation therof but there ensuing presently a great schisme in the Church of Rome which endured allmost 50. years vntill the tyme of Martin the 5. King Edward also not liuing many years after and the disordinate gouernment of his Nephew K. Richard the 2. with the tumultuation of the VVickcliffians succeeding nothing was done therin And yet doth it appeare by VValsingham that vpoÌ„ that very same yeare of 1374. which was the 48. of K. Edwards raigne there was a treaty begun in the moneth of August at Bruges in Flaunders between Embassadors sent both from the sorsaid Pope Gregory and King Edward to treat of these points and that the said treaty endured almost two yeares Et tandem saith he concordatum est inter eos quod Papa de catero reseruationibus beneficiorum minimè vteretur quod Rex beneficia per literas Quare impedit vlterius non conferret At length it was agreed between them that the Pope for the time to come should not vse reseruations of benefices to himself and that the King should no more bestow benefices by his writ of Quare impedit 13. Thus much writeth VValsingham and toucheth no other points which yet probably may be presumed to haue byn treated at that time namely that the Kings for the time to come should haue the nominations of Bishops and the Pope only the confirmation and inuestiture except in certaine cases as afterward we haue seen practised not only in England but in most Catholicke Kingdomes round about but this by concession and agreement of the Sea Apostolicke it self without any least intention in the said Princes to deny the supreme spirituall power authority of the said Sea much lesse to take it vpon themselues as M. Attorney would inferre that they did out of these peeces of Statutes which he alleadgeth for that purpose Whervnto now we shall answere breifly as they ly in this booke M. Attorneys obiections out of the Raigne of King Edvvard the third §. I. 14. For that these obiections are many
and little pertinent as you will see to the manie conclusion which he should proue that this King did take supreme spirituall authority and iurisdiction vpon him And for that the grounds of all that is heer obiected haue byn discussed and answered in that wee haue set downe before and this booke groweth to more length then was purposed at the beginning and finally for that the law-bookâ—◠〈◊〉 cited of collections and obseruations by later authors which bookes I haue not by mee are of small authority to our purpose I shall passe ouer the said obiections with the greatest breuity that I can remitting mee for the most part to that which before hath byn said and answered The Attorney An excommunication by the Archbishop albeit it be disanulled by the Pope or his Legats is to be allowed neither ought the Iudges giue any allowance of any such sentence of the Pope or his Legate The Catholicke Deuine 15. This assertion I doe not see how it can be admitted for true as it lieth for so much as no author maketh mention that K. Edward did euer deny absolutely the Popes authority to excommunicate by himself or by his Legats in England especially vpon the 16. yeare of his raigne as heere it is noted in the margent when he was most deuout to the Sea Apostolicke wrote the humble letter before mentioned the next yeare after according to the date of the said letter as you haue heard only there might be this accorde between them for more authority of the said Archbishop and peace of the Realme that when he had giuen forth any excommunication no annullation therof from the Pope which might perhaps be procured by false suggestion should be admitted or executed vntill the Pope were informed of the truth this is vsed also in other Catholicke Kingdomes at this day 16. And it were to much simplicity to imagine that English men in those dayes admitting the Archbishops excommunication as heer they doe and for confirmation therof we doe read in VValsingham that vpon the yeare 1340. and 14. of King Edwards raigne Iohn Stratford Archbishop of Canterbury threatned the said King to excommunicate all his counsell if he amended not certaine points wherin they offered iniury to Clergy men it were simplicity I say to thinke that the said Archbishops excommunication could not be controlled by that of the Pope from whom they acknowledged the said Archbishop at that time to haue his spirituall authority if he had any at all For froÌ„ whence should they imagine him to haue it for that the Kings as we haue seen had not so much as the nomination or presentation of Archbishops in that season but only the Popes much lesse their induction confirmation or inuestiture Whervpon it must needs follow that he which gaue them spirituall iurisdiction had greater higher iurisdiction himself though in some cases by agreement not to be vsed as before hath byn said The Attorney It is often resolued that all the Bishopricks within England were founded by the Kings progenitours and therfore the aduowsons of them all belong to the King and at the first they were donatiue and that if an incumbent of any Church with Cure dy if the Patron present not within six moneths the Bishop of that Diocesse ought to collate to the end the Cure may not be destitute of a Pastor If he be negligent by the space of six moneths the Metropolitan of that Diocesse shall confer one to that Church and if he also leaue the Church destitute by the space of six moneths then the Common-law giueth to the King as to the supreme within his owne Kingdome and not to the Bishop of Rome power to prouide a competent pastor for that Church The Catholicke Deuine 17. Is it be true which M. Attorney hath so often repeated before that the Conusaunce and deciding of Ecclesiasticall causes doe not appertaine to the Common-law and that the prouision or induction of Clerks to benefices and giuing them spirituall iurisdiction ouer the soules of those that be within the compasse of that benefice be of the number of those causes which I take to be set downe in like manner by M. Attorneys owne pen before vnder the names of admissions and institutions of Clerks then how can it be true which heere is said that the Common-law giueth to the King as to the supreme to prouide competent Pastors for that or those Churches that within the space of a yeare and halfe are not prouided by the particular patron Diocesian or metropolitan Or where is this Common-law How or when did it begin as often elswhere I haue demaunded Either by vse or statute or common agreement between the Prince and people For none of these haue we heard of hitherto vnder former Kings though for presenting and nomination to benefices we haue oftentymes said that there is no difficulty but that the temporall Prince may present in such benefices or Bishopricks as he is patron of either founding the said benefices or by particular concession of the Sea Apostolicke vnto him as we haue shewed more largly before in the life of K. VVilliam the Conquerour and before him againe vnder K. Edward the Confessor to whom the Sea of Rome in those dayes gaue spirituall iurisdiction also in some cases ouer the Abbey of VVestminster some other places of his Realme 18. But that the Common-law should dispose of these things and especially giue spiritual iurisdiction to the King ouer benefices for so must the meaning of M. Attorney be if he delude not his Reader with equiuocation of words this I say is both contrary to his owne rule before set downe and much more to reason For that to giue Ecclesiasticall iurisdictiom is much more then to haue the conusaunce of Ecclesiasticall causes which he denying to his Common-law in diuers places of his booke as before we haue seen caÌ„not in reasoÌ„ ascribe to th' other 19. Wherefore though we graunt this graduation heer set dovvne as good and conueuient that if the particular patron doe not present within six moneths nor the Ordinary or Metropolitan within their tymes prescribed the Prince as supreme gouernour of the Common-wealth to see all things done in due order may present as if he were patron to the said benefice yet first this cannot come originally from the Common-law for the reasons alleadged Secondly this proueth no spirituall iurisdiction at all in any presentor but only power of presentation which may be in any man that hath Ius patronatus allowed by the Church and head therof as before hath byn said Thirdly much lesse doth this proue supreme authority spirituall in the Prince as M. Attorney would inferre which is euident among other reasons by this For that the Prince when he doth present in this manner by lapse of tyme or omission of others is the last in power of presentation after the Metropolitans and Bishops which yet
the eight after two partes of three of his raigne wherin he had not only acknowledged and practised according to the vse of all his predecessours but singularly also defended and propugned by publicke writing the Catholicke consent of all Christendome concerning the Soueraignty of the Sea of Rome therin did at length vpon certaine occasions of particular distast anger and exasperation falling out betweene Pope Clement the 7. and him about the diuorce of his wife Queen Catherine daughter of Spaine and the marriage of Lady Anne Bullen in in her place to neither of which the said Pope would consent make strange innouations by little little as first threatning and the said Pope then substracting some of his authority and giuing it to others and finally taking all vnto himself Which deuise being once begun was continued after his death by the gouernours of his young sonne King Edward though with lesse probability and apparance of truth as before hath byn noted then reiected againe by his daughter Queene Mary who restored the same whence it was taken but reassumed though in a different deuise of words by his second daughter Q. Elizabeth that least of all was capable of it as in precedent chapters hath byn declared So as heere though M. Attorney doth euery where talke of auncient laws and common consent there is neither anquity vnity conformity consent or continuance of anie moment to bee found which will better appeare by that wee haue briefly to touch of ech one of these Princes raignes in particular Of King Henry the eyght who was the twentith King after the Conquest §. I. 2. This Prince succeeding his father King Henry the 7. in the flower of his youth when he was but 18. yeares of age but adorned with many rare graces both of mind and body tooke the scepter in hand with as great expectation of his people neighbours round about him as euer did Prince of our land before or after him and for the space of more then 20. yeares performed the same in all points of an excellent Prince both in peace and warre vntill he fell into that vnfortunate fatall breach with his wife and Queene and disordinate appetite of the other that succeeded her whervpon ensued all those strange and vnexpected mutations which afterward were seene one thing giuing occasion and making way to the other as the euents declared 3. But among all other points of Catholicke doctrine no one was more obserued by this King while he remained in his auncient peace of mind then that of his due acknowledgment subordination and respectiue correspondence with the Sea Apostolicke which being in his dayes begun to be impugned togeather with many other points of Christian religion by Martyn Luther an Apostata Friar of Germany and his followers King Henry out of his great zeale and feruour towards the said religion and Sea Apostolicke tooke vpoÌ„ him to write a special learned booke in defence therof against the said Luther which booke he sent to Rome presenting it to Pope Leo the tenth subscribed by his owne â—and which I haue seen by a speciall Embassadour for that purpose Doctor Clerke Bishop of Bath and VVells that made an earnest speach and eloquent oration at the deliuery therof in protestation and commendation of his Kings high and resolute zeale in this behalfe all which being extant in print I remit the Reader thervnto for his better satisfaction 4. Only I cannot pretermit to recite in this place some of his words which he vseth in that booke in defence of the Popes Ecclesiasticall Supremacy which himself afterward vpon new passions rising so greatly impugned Thus then he wrote against Luther in those dayes Non tam iniurius ero Pontifici vt anxiè sollicitè de eius Iure disceptem tanquam res haberetur pro dubia c. I will not offer so much iniury vnto the Pope as earnestly and carefully to dispute heere of his right as though the matter might be held in doubt it is sufficient for that which now we haue in hand that his enemy Luther sheweth himself so much to be carried away with passion and fury as he taketh all faith and credit from his owne sayings cleerly declaring his malice to be such as it suffereth him neither to agree with himself nor to consider what he saith So be 5. And then after a large confutation of Luthers fond opinion and furious assertion that the pope neither by diuine or humane law but onlie by vsurpation and Tyrannie had gotten the headshipp of the Church K. Henry vseth two stong reasons and arguments against him among other to represse his maddnes therein The first of generall consent from antiquitie saying Negare non potest c. Luther cannot deny but that all the faithfull Christian Churches at this daie doe acknowledge and reuerence the holie Sea of Rome as their mother and Primate c. And if this acknowledgment is grounded neither in diuine nor humane right how hath it taken so great and generall roote How was it admitted so vniuersally by all Christendome When began it how grew it to bee so great And wheras humane consent is sufficient to giue humane right at least how can Luther saie that heer is neither diuine nor humane right where there is and hath been for time out of minde so vniuersall humane consent c. Certe si quis rerum gestarum monumenta reuoluat inueniet iam olim protinùs post pacatum orbâ—m plerasque omnes Christiani Orbis Ecclesias obtemperasse Romana c. Truly if a man will looke ouer the monuments of things and times past he shall find that prefently after the world was pacified from persecution the most parte of Christian Churches did obay the Roman yea and the Greeke Church also though the Empire were passed to that parte wee shall find that shee acknowledged the Primacy of the same Romane Church but only wheÌ„ shee was in Schisme And as for S. Hierome though he were no Roman yet did hee in his daies ascribe so much authoritie and preheminence to the Roman Church as he affirmed that in matters of great doubt it was sufficient for his faith to bee allowed and approued by the Pope of Rome c. This is the first argument vrged by King Henry of antiquitie and consent 6. Another hee alleadgeth of impossibilitie for the Pope to haue attained by force and Tyrannie to so great authoritie as he had according to Luthers calumniation the effect is this Cum Lutherus tam impudenter pronunciet c. Whereas Luther so impudeÌ„tly doth affirme that the Pope hath his Primacie by no right neither diuine nor humane but onlie by force and Tyrannie I doe wonder how the mad fellow could hope to find his Readers so simple or blockish as to beleiue that the Bishop of Rome being a Priest vnarmed alone without temporall force or right either diuine or humane as he supposed
should bee able to get authoritie ouer so manie other Bishops his equals throughout so manie and different nations so far off from him and so little fearing his temporall power or that so manie People Citties Kingdomes Common-wealths Prouinces and Nations would bee so prodigall of their owne libertie as to subiect themselues to a forraine Priest as now so manie ages they haue done or to giue him such authoritie ouer theÌ„selues if he had no right therevnto at all 7. But what shall I stand to dispute with Luther in this matter Or what importeth it what he saieth or beleeueth therin for so much as through anger and enuie he knoweth not himself what he thinketh or saith but declareth well the saying of the Apostle to be true in himself Cor ipsius insipiens obscuratum itaditumque in reprobum sensum That his foolish heart is darkned and deliuered ouer vnto a reprobate sense So King Henry pronouncing as you see a heauy iudgment against Luther now and himself afterwarde when he fell into the same darknes and not only obscuritie of vnderstanding but inconstancie also of proceeding which heer so eagerly hee obiecteth to Luther for this he writeth of him Quis non eius miretur inconstantiam c. who will not wonder at Luthers inconstancie for a little before he wrote in his bookes that the Papaltie though it were not by diuine right yet was it by humane to witt by humane consent for the publik good of the Church and therevpon condemned and detested the sect of the Hussites in Bohemia for that they had cut themselues off from the obedience of the Roman Sea affirming that they sinned damnably whosoeuer obaied not the Pope This he wrote verie lately since his fall from Catholicke religion but now he is run into that which then he so much detested And like inconstancy he hath shewed in another point also which is that hauing preached of late in a certaine Sermon to the people that the Popes excommunication was to bee obaied and patiently be borne as a medecine in a disease WheÌ„ himself afterwards was most worthily excommunicated he tooke that sentence of the Pope so impotently as seeming to be mad or fallen into rage he brake forth into such contumelious speaches and blasphemies as no Christian eares can abide to heare the same so as by his furie he hath made it euident Eos qui pelluntur gremio matris Ecclesia statim furijs corripi atque agitari daemonibus That those which are cast out from the lap of their mother the Church are taken presently with suries and vexed with diuells Thus far K. Henry and much more to this effect which for breuityes sake I pretermit 8. And now let vs with greife of mind some terror of conscience looke ouer and reflect vpon that which happened afterward vnto this King himself and into what extremes of passion and choller he fell in his writings and Statutes against this very Supremacy of the Pope when he was excommunicated by him which heere he defendeth against Luther though in other points of doctrine he remained still opposite to Luther euen vnto his dying day 9. It is worthy the noting also what mutability and inconstancy he vsed not only in the whole thing to wit in dâ—â—â—ing the Popes Supremacy but in the very manner also of falling into that extremity For first for many yeares after the writing of this his booke which was in the yeare of Christ 1521. he continued so deuout and obedient to the said Sea of Rome as no King in Christendome more as may appeare by the mutuall good offices of loue friendship that passed between them And when six yeares after this againe Rome was spoiled by the army of the Duke of Burbon Pope Clement the seauenth held as besieged in the Castle of S. Angelo no King or Prince of Christendome was more forward in the ayd of the said Pope then K. Henry of England as may appeare by his great and famous Embassadge sent that very yeare into France by Cardinall VVolsey about that matter in the yeare 1527. to draw the King of France into the association of that aid and help 10. And when againe the next yeare after King Henry began to moue his doubt or question about the lawfullnes of his marriage with Queene Catherine he referred the whole matter to Rome and procured Iudges to be sent from thence as namely Cardinall Campegius that was directed from Rome the selfsame yeare into England for Legat with like commission for Cardinall VVolsey to be ioyned with him as deputyes from Pope Clement to heare and iudge the matter before whome sitting in iudgment both K. Henry and Queen Catherine being cited personally to appeare they made their appearance in the Church of the Black-Friars in London in the moneth of Aprill anno Domini 1529. which was the one and twentith of King Henryes raigne And albeit King Henry being offended that by this means of these two Legats the Pope accepting of the Appeal of Queen Catherine recalling the matter to himself he could not haue his wil did put from his fauour soone after Cardinall VVolsey when the other was departed and brought him to the miserable end which is well knowne yea condemned for his sake the whole Clergy of England in a Premunire that is to say the losse of all their goods which afterward they redeemed with a submission and payment of a hundred thousand pounds for that they had acknowledged the said Cardinals Legantine authority which himself had procured from Rome yet did not he for this surcease to send other Embassadours to continue the solicitation of the same suite of diuorce in the said Court of Rome and namely among others Doctor Stephen Gardâ—â—â— the Kings chiefe Secretary soone after made Bishop of VVinchester who was sent thither as Stow and others doe testifie presently after the departure of Cardinall Campegius in the same yeare 1529. Neither did King Henry leaue of to hold his Embassadours Lawyers and Procurators there about this matter for two or three yeares after this againe vntill he saw there was no hope to get his diuorce by that means and on the otherside was resolued to marry the Lady Anne Bullen whatsoeuer came of it and so did in the yeare 1533. and 24. of his raigne 11. Thus then you see the beginning and progresse of the cause of King Henryes breach with the Sea Apostolicke which probably would neuer haue byn if he could haue obtained his will that way but falling into despaire therof tooke resolution to cut the knot which otherwise he could not vndoe But the manner of his proceeding may be best seen by two Acts of Parlament set downe heer by M. Attorney the one of the 24. the other of the 25. yeare of King Henryes raigne for that in the former which was in the yeare of his marriage with Lady Anne Bullen as hath byn said he prohibited
tribunals no one thing in all the libertyes and priuiledges of the Church and Church-men being more ordinary not vsuall nor generally receiued then this though M. Attorney presumeth to affirme heere that this Decree had neuer any force within England which seemeth to me so manifest an vntruth as I marueile he would affirme it so flattly For to let passe all that I haue said before in the second Chapter of this our confutation for the confirmation of the exemptions of Clerks their persons and goods out of the Decrees of auncient Christian Emperours that ratified the Church-Canons in that behalfe and the conformity therevnto of our Christian Kings before the Conquest handled in the 5. 6. Chapters of this booke besides this I say the assertion of M. Attorney may euidently be ouerthrowne by all the laws vse and custome since the said Conquest and namely and expressly by the laws of the Conquerour himself recited before by me in the 7. Chapter of this answere which were continued by all the said Conquerours posterity vntill the tyme of King Henry the 3. when written Statutes had first their beginning namely that of Magna Charta by which lawes and Statutes the said priuiledge and exemption was often and ordinarily ratified and confirmed 21. As for example in the third yeare of King Edward the first sonne to the said King Henry the Statute speaketh thus when a Clerke is taken for guylte of felony and is demaunded by the Ordinary he shall be deliuered to him according to the priuiledge of holy Church on such perill as belongeth to it after the custome aforetymes vsed c. Behold the contradictory words to M. Attorneys that said this decree had neuer any force nor was approued in England The instance also of Bigamyes alleadged before by M. Attorney and answered by vs in the 11. Chapter of this booke vnder the raigne of this King Edward the first doth euidently confirme that which we say and refuteth M. Attorney For that the Kings Counsell refusing there to deliuer certaine felons demaunded by the Prelates in respect only that they were Bigamyes or had byn twice marryed therby were excluded by the generall Councell of Lions from the priuiledge of Clergy-men this I say doth shew that before that Councell Bigamyes also had that priuiledge by the Latin words of the law wherin it is said Praelati tanquam Clericos exigâ—runt sibi liberandos These prelates or Bishops did exact or require those felons to be set free vnto them as Clerks doth manifestly declare that they demaunded it by the knowne law of the land generally receiued in those dayes 22. And conforme to this vnder King Edward the second sonne to the former Edward we find the law to speake in these words A Clerke flying to the Church for felony to obtaine the priuiledge of the Church if he affirme himself to be a Clerke shall not be compelled to abiure the Realme but yeelding himself to the law of the Realme shall enioy the priuiledges of the Church according to the laudable customes of the Realme heeretofore vsed So there where you see that this was no new thing in those dayes 23. And I might ad to this diuers other like Decrees of the succeeding Kings as namely of King Edward the third in the 18. and 25. yeares of his raigne and of King Henry the 4. in the 4. yeare of his raigne vnder whome it is written in the records of Canterbury Church that the Archbishop Arundel seeing this ancient priuiledge of the Clergy to haue byn somwhat weakned by former Kings he dealt with the said King Henry effectually and obtained saith the Register vt vetus Cleri praerogatiua per Regem renouaretur ne Clerici ad Regium tribunal raperentur That the auncient prerogatiue of Clergy-men might be renewed by the King that Clerks should not be drawne to the Kings tribunall And this was a point so notoriously knowne in England in those dayes as when vpon the yeare 1405. in the said King Henry the fourth his raigne the Archbishop of Yorke Richard Scroope togeather with some others of the nobility had risen in armes against him and the King in his choller would needs haue him condemned and executed as he was Gaston the cheife Iustice as Harpesfield noteth out of the said Bishops life and the addition of Poli-chronicon knowing that by the law he could not be condemned by a secular Iudge refused to sit vpon him and so he was condemned by Syr Raph Euers and Syr VVilliam Fulthrop knights authorized therevnto by the Kings armed commission wherof the Clergy greatly complaining Pope Innocentius the seauenth excommunicated the doers and denounced to K. Henry by the Archbishop of Canterbury that he would proceed in like manner against himself if he gaue not good satisfaction in that behalfe but he dying soone after and a great schisme thervpon ensuing in the Roman Church nothing was done 24. But much auncienter then this wee might alleadge diuers examples out of the raignes of King Henry the 3. and Edward the 3. wherof wee haue made mention also in parte before treating of their times as of one Peter Riâ—all who had been Treasurer to King Henry the 3. and being apprehended by the Kings commission and to bee sent to the Tower said to him thus as Matthew Paris writeth Domine Clericus sum nec debeo incarcerari vel sub Laicorum custodia deputari My leige I am a Clerke and therefore I ought not to bee imprisoned nor to bee kept vnder the custody of Laie-men The King answered Te vt laicum hactenûs gesâ—isti à te igitur vt à laico cui meum commisi thesaurum exigo Thou hast borne thy self hitherto as a laie-man and therefore as of a laie-man to whom I committed my treasure I exact an account of the same And for that he was found with armour vnder his Clergie attyre both for this because the Archbishop of Canterburie there present seemed not willing to answere for him he was sent to the Tower yet after two daies saith our author he was deliuered againe thence by the said Archbishop and carried to VVinchester and there left in the Cathedrall Church 25. And some fiue yeares after that againe one Raph Briton a Clerke and Chaâ—on of S. Pauls Church who likewise had been K. Henries Treasurer being accused to the said King of diuers crimes touching treason and by his commission to the Maior of London apprehended and sent to the Tower was by the instance of the Clergie vrging their said priuiledge dismissed Rex dictum Ranulsum saith Paris licet inuitus solui in pace dimitti praecepit the King though vnwilling commaunded the said Raph to bee let forth of prison and peaceably dismissed So as this exemption was no new thing at that time as M. Attorney would haue it seeme And of King Edward the third aboue a hundred yeares after that againe Thomas
VValsingham alleadgeth this confirmation of the said priuiledge in his time Quod nullus Clericus sit arrei ratuâ— coram Iustitiarijs suis siue ad sectam suam siue partes si Clericus suae Clerimoniae se submittat dicens se membrum Ecclesiae Sanctae non debere ipsis Iustitiarijs respoÌ„dere That no Clerk maie bee arraygned before the Kings Iustices at the suite of the said King or of anie other party yf the said Clerk doe submitt himself to his Clergie affirming that hee being a member of holy Church ought not to answere to the said Iustices So VValsingham And this shall bee sufficient to meete with the assertion of M. Attorney to the contrary and herewith shall we end our speach of King Henry the eight Of King Edvvard the sixt the one and twentith King after the Conquest §. III. 26. This younge Prince being but a child of 9. yeares old when his father King Henry died as often hath been said was by his Tutors and Gouernours especially his Vncle Earle of Hartford after made Duke of Somerset and some others that followed his appetite in the desire of innouation about matters of religion declared Head of the Church vnder the same stile as his father had been before and by that headship and pretence therof they took to theÌ„selues authoritie to make that change which after ensued partly to the opinions of Luther partly of Zuinglius for Caluin was not yet so famous or forward in credit for some years after and to ouerthrow and alter in effect all that King Henry by his headship had ordained and established before concerning religion as may appeare by the seuerall and particular repeals of the most parte of all his Statutes touching that affaire except only this of his departure from the Pope and obedience of the Sea Apostolicke 27. But yet one principall declaration and important constitution they added in this matter as before hath been touched aboue that of King Henry according to the saying facile est inuentis addere and this is that whereas the Father K. Henry taking from the Pope his accustomed iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall did transferre it vnto his Clergie of England and afterward declaring himself Spirituall head of that Clergie did consequentlie inferre he was head of the English Church also in spirituall matters yet did he not explaine from what origen properly this spirituall power did flow which point the said Gouernours of the child-King Edward did interprete and decide shewing that all spirituall iurisdiction power and authority ouer soules by loosing or binding of sinnes or other spirituall actions in Bishops Prelates and Priests proceeded and was deriued from this young child who yet notwithstanding as ech man may consider was not of yeares to haue perfect vse of reason for disposing so much as temporall matters and how much lesse in spirituall For so affirmeth plainly S. Paul to the Galathians Quanto tempore haeres parâ—ulus est nihil differt à seruo cum sit Dominus omnium sed sub tutoribus actoribus est vsque ad praefinitum tempus à Patre All the time that the heire is young or vnder age though he be Lord of all by inheritance yet doth he differ nothing from a seruant or bound-man in subiection but is vnder Tutors and Administrators vntill the tyme of his age appointed by his Father So the Apostle 28. And if then this young King had not yet authority as of himself to dispose of any temporall affaires which are of much lesse moment we may easily consider what may be thought of spirituall and Ecclesiasticall that require more the vse of reason and iudgement for exercising of iurisdiction therin then doth the other But you will say perhaps that the same Tutors and Administrators that gouerned him in secular Ciuill affaires might take vpon them also iurisdiction in the spirituall likewise and so the Duke of Somerset for example with his assistants might be secondary or Vicar-heads of the Church of England vnder him for the tyme to absolue or bind sinnes determine of heresies dispose of Sacraments and the like 29. But to this â—s easily answered according to the principles set downe in the secoÌ„d Chapter of this booke that for so much as all temporall power is giuen first of all by God in the law of Nature vnto the people or multitude who thereby haue authority to transferre the same to what manner of gouernement they like either Monarchie or other it followeth also that the Common-wealth that had authority to choose or appoint the state of Kings to raigne ouer them had and hath power to giue sufficient authority in like manner to Tutors and Administrators to gouerne the said Common-wealth in temporall affaires during the tyme of their Kings minority or non-age But that the origen of spirituall power comming not by this way of the people nor being giuen to them at all but immediatly by Christ our Sauiour to his Apostles and their Successours Bishops and Prelates by lawfull Ordination and Succession of Priesthood and imposition of hands to the end of the world no temporall Tutors or Administrators could rightly get into this authority except they were first made Priests and this also by Caluins opinion and assertion as well as ours as before hath byn declared 30. By this then wee see how and by what assurance this headship of the Church and supreme Ecclesiasticall authoritie therof passed from the Father to the sonne which was such as it liked not M. Attorney to alleadge anie one Statute of this mans time against vs though all in deed were made against vs and against the said Father as maie bee easily imagined considering the Current of that time And the very first of all was in fauour of Luthers opinioÌ„ about the Reall presence which afterward they changed into that of Zwinglius They changed also twyce their Communion booke and forme of seruice and Sacraments first vpon the second and third yeares of King Edwards raigne and secondly vpon the 5. and 6. as appeareth in the particular Statutes of those yeares They repealed a great number of K. Henries Statutes as by name concerning treasons and heresies They repealed his famous Statute for PrecoÌ„tracts in marriages as also dissolued diuers of his Courts that he had set vp And finally they respected nothing the said King Henries headship nor his prescription or direction therin but followâ—d their owne for the time that their power endured And yet all was published vnder the name of the Ghospell and New reformation established by negociation in Parlament as though the matter had proceeded from very sound and founded Ecclesiasticall authoritie And this for that time wherof M. Attorney alleadging no one example against vs I haue no further need to enlarge my self Of the raigne of Queene Mary the two and twentith Princesse after the Conquest §. IIII. 31. As M. Attorney doth preâ—ermitt
also calumnious what shall wee saie of M. Attorney in this behalfe that presumeth so confidentlie to put such open vntruths in print 4. First then for the former point not onlie many Catholicks in the first eleuen yeares by him prescribed did refuse publikely to come to the Protestants Church but many Puritans also from the verie first entrance of Queen Elizabeth to her Crowne and so is it testified by publike authoritie of diuers books set forth by order and approbation of the Bishops of England themselues these years past against the said Puritans recounting the beginning ofspring and progresse of that Sect and faction one of them wriâ—â—ng thus Vpon the returne of Goodman VVhittingham Gylby with â—he rest of their associates from Geneua to England although it greiued them at the heart that they might not beare as great a â—way heer in their seuerall Consistories as Caluyn did it Geneua c. yet medled not they much in shew with matters of this discipline but rather busied themselues about the apparrell of ministers ceremonies prescribed and in picking of quarrells against the Communion booke c. Thus writeth hee of the first Geneâ—ian English preachers that returned from thence to England after the Queens raigne and that for these quarrels against the Common and Communion-booke they refused to come to the Protestants Church in those daies as much as Catholikes it is euident But yet you shall heare it affirmed plainly and distinctly out of the same Author quite opposite to M. Attorneys asseveration though hee bee of his religion if yet he haue made his choise 5. For the first ten or eleuen yeares of her Maiestyes raigne saith hee through the peeuish frowardnes the outcries exclamations of those that came home from Geneua against the garments prescribed to ministers and other such like matters no man of anie experience is ignorant what great contentioâ— and strife was raised in so much as their Sectaries deuided themselues from their ordinarie coÌ„gregations meeting togeather in priuate howses in woods and fields had and kept there their disorderly and vnlawfull Conuenticles which assemblees notwithstanding the absurdnes of them in a Church reformed M. Cart-wright within a while after tooke vpon him in a sorte to defend c. So hee And thus much for Puritanes whome if M. Attorney will graunt to bee of anie perswasion what soeuer in Christian religion he then must needs graunt also that hee was much oâ—ershott in this his first so generall a Proposition affirming that none of what persuasion soeuer did at anie time refuse within that compasse to goe to Church But lett vs see how wee can ouerthrow the same in like manner concerning Catholickes of whom principally hee meant it 6. Hee that shall but cast backe the eye of his memorie vpon the beginning of Queen Elizabeths raigne and shall consider how many Archbishops Bishops Deans Archdeacons Heads of Colledges Chanons Priests Schollers Religious persons of diuers sortes and sexes Gentle-men Gentle-weomen and others did refufe openly to conforme themselues to that new change of Religion then made and published by authority of the said Queen at the beginning of her raigne will maruaile how and in what sense and whether in iest or earnest sleeping or waking M. Attorney set downe in writing so generall a negatiue assertion For that he shall see so many conuictions therof as there be particular witnesses of credit against him in that behalfe And truly it seemeth that either he was an infant or vnborne at that time and hath vnderstood little of those affaires since or els forgot himself much now in affirming so resolutely a proposition refutable by so infinite testimonyes 7. For if he looke but vpon Doctor Sanders Monarchy in latin in his 7. booke where he handleth the matters that fell out vpon the first change of religion in Queen Elizabeths dayes he shall find 14. Bishops at least of England only besides ten more of Ireland and Scotland togeather with Doctor Fecknam Abbot of VVestminster Father Maurice Chasey and VVilson Priors of the Carthusians 13. Deans of Cathedrall churches 14. Archdeacons 15. heads of Colledges almost 50. Chanons of Cathedrall churches aboue eightscore other Priests wherof diuers were Doctors or Bachlers of diuinity Ciuill and Canon-law depriued from their liuings and offering themselues either to voluntary banishment abroad or to imprisonment and disgrace at home for maintenance of Catholicke religion to omit all the rest of the lay sort both of the Nobility Gentry and others that stood openly to the defence of the same Religion All which did refuse to goe to the Protestant-seruice euen in those first dayes which is testimony inough to conuince the open and notorious falsity of M. Attorneys assertion that no person of what persuasion soeuer in Christian religion did at any time refuse to goe to Church though I deny not but that many other besides these throughout the Realme though otherwise Catholickes in heart as most then were did at that tyme and after as also now either vpon feare or lacke of better instruction or both repaire to Protestant-Churches the case being then not so fully discussed by learned men as after it was whether a man with good conscience may goe to the Church and seruice of a different Religion from his owne which releiueth little M. Attorneys affirmation And so this shall suffice for the first point 8. In the second point being no lesse notoriously vntrue then the first he offereth the said Catholickes much more iniury in affirming that vpon this occasion of the Bul of Pius quintus against Q. Elizabeth they first refused to goe to the Church as not holding her for true and lawfull Queene insinuating therby another consequence also much more false and malicious then this to wit that the same may be said and vnderstood of Recusant Catholickes at this day in respect of his Maiesty that now is But the vntruth of this assertion is most manifest both by that we haue shewed before that great multitudes of Catholickes refused euen from the beginning to goe to Protestant-Churches though then the matter was not much vrged against them as also by this other reason for that their holding the Queene for true or vnlawfull was and is impertinent to the matter of going to Church Nay their holding her for not Queen if any so did did rather disoblige then oblige them to this recusancy 9. The reason heerof is for that one principall cause binding them in conscience not to goe to the seruice of a different or opposite religion to their owne was the precept and commaundement giuen by the said Queene that all should repaire to the said seruice to shew their conformity c. For that the obeying of this precept in matters of religioÌ„ they offering themselues otherwise to goe to any Church for temporall matters was a kind of publike denying their owne faith As for example if in Persia at this day or other
men in like manner of any profession in Christian religion that are wise moderate peaceable and desirous of the tranquillitie of the Prince and State where they liue who out of their prudence easilie doe foresee cannot but incurre danger of perturbation by immoderate exasperation of minds when particular men otherwise not loued but rather hated or enuyed for their extraordinarie fortunes riches and aduauncements doe passe to such insolencie of speach and beuauiour as they seeke to drawe whole multitudes into disgrace and daunger by vniust oppresion We know and may remember out of our histories what general exulceratioÌ„ of hartes haue risen in former years against Huberts de Burgo Gauestons SpeÌ„cers Mortimers Veares Scroops Catesbies Ratcliffes Louels Empsons Dudleys and other vpon like occasions for that they were thought or suspected to incite the Prince vnder whome they liued to the vndeserued hurts and ruines of many others 32. And surelie what M. Attorney hath perfourmed or attempted in this behalfe partlie by his iniurious speaches at the barrs where he pleadeth partlie by this his Booke and other means against so great a multitude of his Maiesties Subiects as the Catholicke partie and their well-willers are both at home and abroad is not heard to consider for so much as he maketh their verie beleife or act of vnderstanding which lyeth not in their handes to alter at their pleasure to bee disloialtie and treason as before hath byn shewed and consequentlie that against their wills they must be traitors Wherof ensueth againe another consequence worse then this which is that when men see themselues vrged egged and pressed in matters that lie not in their owne hands to remedie this also as they persuade themselues not so much by the inclination of the Prince as by the importunitie insolencie of others that being wanton with wealth delight themselues in other mens vexations this perswasion I say when once it entereth into the head of multitudes in any common-wealth driueth men to extreme impatience and vtter despaire of redresse the only remedy wherof is none other but to preuent the occasion it selfe 33. And truly it may be probably hervpon inferred and so it is also thought of diuers at home and abroad that this Booke of Reportes of M. Attorneys comming forth at the time when it did and beating to the end which before we haue seen presented also particularlie to his Maiesty as hath byn said much praised by the same accompanied also at that time with no small multitude of other afflictions laid vpon the Catholicke people throughout all partes of our Realme and many more threatned and expected dailie by them this I say togeather with the circumstance of the authorsperson eyed greatly for his extraordinarie wealth and ouerflowing fortunes might bee some cause of furthering of this late most dangerous and lamentable attempt in our owne Countrey so greatly noysed and talked of at his day throughout the Christian world 34. Wherfore the summe of this my expostulation with M. Attorney is that hee being otherwise a wise and learned man as in his profession I take him to bee by his preferments and not insolent or cruell by nature as willinglie I incline to beleiue would at such a time as he saw so great a multitude of Catholike people greiuously afflicted for their religion come forth with so odious and new drift against them as this is adding affliction to the afflicted and endeauoring to proue against them that which hee neither hath done nor euer will bee able to witt that the verie profession of their religion implyeth disloyaltie to their temporall King and Prince Which thinge albeit some other lighter companions leuioris armaturae milites ministers to witt of diuers sortes haue not sticked iniuriously to cast out yet for a man of M. Attorneys place and ranke to affirme it so seriously and to promise also Demonstratiue proofs therof by the auncient Common-laws of our Realme was a matter of farre more impression and must needs worke more daungerous and greiuous exulceration of minds which is the ordinarie effect of such insolencie and importunities 35. Well gentle Reader I will entertaine thee no longer with these expostulations to M. Attorney and others that by his authoritie and example haue or may vrge the like odious argument Wherof some alreadie haue begun to tread his stepps not onlie by suggesting and vrging that which so hurtefullie was suggested to K. Roboam against the bearing somewhat with his afflicted people but also by vrging exulcerating other odious points that driue to desperation as before hath been said and consequently I must needs conclude with the saying of the Prophet against such makers of diuisioÌ„ Vae ijâ— qui dispergunt woe be to them that doe disperse and deuide to witt the sheep from their shepheard the children from their father the people from their Prince the subiects from their King and one sorte of subiects from the other whereas all were to bee held togeather tollerated suffered vnited entertained cherished and comforted as much as may bee for that in the multitude loue vnion and affection of the subiects standeth the riches wealth strength coÌ„forte honour and securitie of the Prince as all men will confesse 36. And with this will I end all this whole discourse and Answere of myne to M. Attorney beseeching almightie God that it may worke that effect with him and others for their true light and vnderstanding in the controuersie wee haue in hand which is necessarie for their and our eternall good for I am contented to leaue for my last words of this booke those wherewith M. Attorney thought best to end also his which are That miserable is his case and worthie of pittie that hath been persuaded before he was instructed and now will refuse to bee instructed because 〈◊〉 will not bee persuaded FINIS Faultes escaped in the Printing Pag. 12. lin 38. for axaggâ—ration Read exaggeration Pag. 17. lin vlt. for circumfetence read circumference Pag. 20. lâ—n 3. for knovv read knowen Pag. 26. lin 14. Mediâ—ation read Mediation Pag. 36. lin 9. in some copyes Pater nuâ—c read Pater tuus Pag. 40. lin 2. for sunne read summe Ibid. lin 3. for is read as Pag. 47. lin 24. Ruland shire read Rutland-shire Pag. 52. lin 7. for is read it Pag. 54. lin 5. Canoinst read Canonist Pag. 65. lin 13. for Orae read Oro. Pag. 66. lin 17. for some read sonne Pag. 73. lin 13. purpose all adde at all Pag. 74. lin 38. vve are professe adde to professe Pag. 75. lin 23. for excude read exclude Pag. 82. lin 34. for the in Church read in the Church Pag. 85. lin 6. for be being read he being Pag. 86. lin 39. for preath read preach Pag. 99. lin 22. for the Rome read to Rome Pag. 100. lin 36. for hea-magistrate read heathen magistrate Pag. 102. lin 4. that the vvrote read that he wrote Pag. 109. lin 24. for precedessors
and how it extendeth it selfe cap. 1. per totum Error how it differeth from Ignorance cap. 1. num 8. 9. Euesham-Abbey in VVorcester-shire builded by S. Egwyn cap. 6. num 42. The same priuiledged from Rome ibidem Eustachius K. Stephens sonne his violence vsed against Clergy-men of Yorke cap. 8. num 35. Excommunications practised by the Apostles cap. 2. num 15. Exemption of Clergy-men from secular power ex iure diuino cap. 2. num 37. Item by Imperiall lawes ibid. n. 38 By particular Kinges and Princes ib. num 39. Exemptions graunted by diuers Popes to pious vvorkes in England before the Conquest cap. 5. num 10. Expostulations vvith M. Attorney about iniuryes offered to many in his booke of Reportes cap. 16. per totum Exulteration of M. Attorneys booke of Reportes cap. 16. num 33. F. Father Campian and his fellovv-martyrs iniured by M. Attorney cap. 16. n. 11. Their protestations at their death ib. num 12. Founders of pious vvorkes had authority ordinarily to giue Charters for priuiledges and exemptions therof cap. 8. num 23. Foundation of Abbeys and Monasteryes in England before the Conquest cap. 6. à num 37. vsque ad 49. Franquises and priuiledges of Churches and monasteryes procured from the Pope cap. 6. num 37.38.39 deinceps Freedome of speach in the ancient Fathers to Emperours cap. 4. num 4. 5. 6. G. Geffrey K. Richard the first his brother made Archbishop of Yorke cap. 9. num 35. His deposition from his bishopricke ibid. num 45. Againe restored ibid. num 46. Glastenbury-Abbey priuiledged from Rome at the petition of K. Edgar cap. 6. num 45. God the author of all lavvfull povver cap. 1. num 1. 2. Gods miraculous actions in the old testament ascribed to Christ cap. 4. num 30. Gouernment of vvomen in spiritualityes and absurdity therof cap. 4. n. 19. 20.21 22. Great-Charter for Church-priuiledges began by K. Henry the third cap. 10. num 6. S. Gregoryes commission to S. Augustine of Canterbury cap. 6. nu 12. 13. S. Gregory Nazianzens discourse about the nature of spirituall and temporall Iurisdiction cap. 2. num 4. Groundes of spirituall authority Prefac num 6. Groundes of Protestants assertions Prefac num 7. Of Puritans ibid. num 8. Of Catholickes ibid. num 9. Groundes in sectes new-opinions vvhat they are or can be cap. 16. n. 25. Gualter Archbishop of Roane Gouernour of England cap. 9. n. 4. 42. His disgust and appeale against King Richard the first ibid. num 47. Guide to saluation Pref. num 5. H. Head-ship of spirituall matters not possibly in a woman cap. 4. num 26. The absurdityes that would follow therof ibid num 27. K. Henry the first his raigne ouer England cap. 8. num 8. His good beginning ibid. num 9. His resignation of inuestitures ibid. num 14. His conference vvith Pope Calixtus in Normandy ibid num 14. His acknowledgment of the Popes supremacy ibid. num 21. K. Henry the second his raigne out England cap. 9. à num 1. vsque ad n. 22. His temporall greatnesse ibid. num 2. His lamentable end ibid. num 6. Laws attempted by him against the Church ibid. num 7. Made legate of the Pope in England ibid num 9. His humility to the Sea Apostolicke cap. 9. num 10. His appeale to the Pope about S. Thomas of Canterburâ— death ibid num 11. His purgation and absolution by the Popes Legat. ibid. n. 12. 13. His letter to the Pope in great affliction ibid. n. 14. â—â— The straytes vvherunto he vvas driuen ibid. num 19. His pennance at the body of S. Thomas of Canterbury cap. 9. num 19. K. Henry the third his temporall homage done to the Sea Apostolicke cap. 10. num 3. His beginning of the Great Charter for Church priuiledges ibid. num 6. His conference vvith K. Lewes of France ibid. num 9. His obedience and subiection to the Popes cap. 10 n 19. His letter to Pope Innocentius ibid. num 21. His statutes in fauour of the Clergy ibid. num 27. His obedience to the Bishopp of London in spirituall matters ibid. num 34 35 Also to the Deane of Paules ibid. num 38. K. Henry the 4. his raigne cap. 13. n. 1. 2. 3. deinceps His condemnation and execution of the Archbishop of Yorke c. 15. n. 23. K. Henry the seauenth his raigne ouer England cap. 14 n. 15. 16. deinceps His statute for reformation of the Clergy ibid. His deuotion and obedience to the Sea of Rome vntill his death ibid. n. 21. K. Henry the 8. his good beginning cap. 15. n. 1. 2. His booke against Luther ibid. num 3.4 5. His arguments therin for the Popes supremacy ibid num 5. 6. dein His inuectiue against Luthers inconstancy ibid. num 7. His good offices to the Pope continued for many yeares ibid. n. 9. The beginning of his breach vvith the Pope ibid. n. 10. 11. His taking vpon him the Supremacy ibid num 13.14 15. His condemnation of Protestants religion ibid. n. 15. Heretickes their pretence of singularity of knowledge cap. 1. n. 5. 6. 7. Heresy how great and grieuous a synne cap. 16. n. 26. Hubert Earle of Kent Chiefe Iusticer of England cap. 10. num 34. His disgrace vvith the Kinge ibid. His taking of Sanctuary ibid. Hunting hawking disliked in English Bishopps and Prelates c. 9. n. 45. I. Ignorance vvhat it is cap. 1. num 10. Ignorance how it differeth from error ibid. n. 10. 11. Ignorance negatiue and priuitiue ibid. num 10. 11. Ignorance voluntary and inuoluntary ibid. num 11. 12. Inas King of the VVestsaxons his letters in fauour of the Pope cap. 6. n. 69. His Pilgrimage to Rome for deuotion cap. 6. n. 82. Inconueniences by strangers promoted to Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England cap. 11. num 36. Remedyes therof sought from the Pope ibid. n. 38. Iniuryes offered to diuers sorts of men by M. Attorney his booke cap. 16. per totum Insolency of some priuate men and perills that often arise therby cap. 16. num 31. Inuasion of Abbey-landes or goods forbidden vnder payne of damnation cap. 5. num 11. 12. Inuectiue of K. Henry the 8. against Luthers inconstancy cap. 15. num 7. Inuestitures to Benefices desyred by Princes denyed by Popes cap. 7. n. 34. The beginning therof by secular Princes cap. 8. num 16. Inuestitures resigned by K. Henry the first cap. 8. num 14. Inuestitures graunted only by permission of the Sea Apostolicke cap. 8. num 17. K. Iohn of England his variable state in gouernment cap. 9. n. 48. deinceps His obedience to the Sea of Rome ibid. num 50. 51. His piety in the beginning of his raigne ibid num 53. His humility liberality ibid n. 54. His breach with the Church of Rome and occasion therof cap. 9. n. â—7 His indignation against Clergy meÌ„ ibid. num 58,59 60. His offer of subiectioÌ„ to the Mores ibid. num 62.
other especiallie in these points following which Catholike deuines and Canon-lawyers doe larglie handle But I shall breiflie touch the sunne onlie in this place so far is it may appertaine to better decision of this our controuersie Noting first by the way for the Reader his better aduertisement that these two Powers of Spirituall and Temporall Iurisdiction being different as hath been said and hauing so different ends and obiects and proceeding so differentlie from God by different means and manners and that they may be separated and remaine seuerally and alone in different subiects as they did for diuers ages togeather in the primitiue Church All this I saie being so it followeth that it is no good argument but rather a manifest fallacie to inferre the one of the other as to saie he hath spiritual Iurisdiction ouer me and therfore also temporall which followeth not and much lesse the contrarie he hath temporall Authoritie ouer any ergo spiritual also And least of all as M. Atorney argueth euery-where A Prince or Monarch hath supreame authoritie temporal ergo also spirituall for that the one may be without the other as comming downe from one origen by different means and to different ends as before hath been declared Now then let vs passe to the decisions aboue mencioned for due Subordination in these two Powers THE THIRD PART OF THIS CHAPTER Shewing how these two Povvers and Iurisdictions may stand well togeather in agreement peace and vnion 4. II. 33. The first affertion both of Deuines and Canonists is that notwithstanding the former Prerogatiues of Spirituall Power aboue Temporall yet when they are conioyned in one Common-wealth as they haue been in the Catholike Church for these thirteene hundred years at least since the Conuersion of Constantine the Emperour the Cleargie and Ecclesiasticall persons of euerie Realme as members of that Common-wealth are subiect vnto the Emperour King or other head of that Ciuill and politicke body or Common-wealth in al temporall laws and ordinances not contrary to Gods law nor the Cannons of holie Church and are punishable for the same though not in temporall courts but spirituall as after ward in the third assertion shall be declared As for example when the Ciuill magistrate appointeth things to be solde at such or such price that no man goe by night with armes or carry out cōmodities of the Realme without licence and the like cleargie men as Cittizens of the Common-wealth are subiect also vnto these laws which are made for direction of of the Common-wealth to peace aboundance and prosperitie and consequentlie are to be obserued also by Bishops Priests and Cleargie-men 34. And in this sense are to be vnderstood the words both of our Sauiour and his Apostles when they ordaine all obedience to be exhibited by all Christians to their temporall Princes without exception of anie yea though they were euill men or infidells AS namely where S. Paul saith Omnia anima potestatibus sublimioribus subdita sit Let euery soule be subiect to higher powers which S. Peter expoundeth siuè Regi siuè Ducibus c. Whether it be to Kings Dukes and the like Vpon which place to S. Paul the holie Doctor S. Chrysostome inferreth that politicall and temporall laws are not abrogated by the ghospell but that both Priests and monkes are bound to obey the same in temporall affairs And Valentinian the good Christian Emperour in a certaine Epistle of his to the Bishops of Asia aboue 12. hundred years gone said◠that good Bishops doe obey not only the laws of God but of Kings likewise Which Pope Nicolas the first writing to Michaell the Emperour doth proue when he saith that Christian Emperours doe need Bishops for the attaining of euerlasting life But that Bishops doe need Kings and Emperours onlie to vse their laws for their direction in temporall affaires And finally the matter is cleer not onlie by the testimonie and practise of the primitiue Church say our Deuines but also by reason it selfe For that if any sorte of people should liue in a Common-wealth and not obserue the laws therof it would be a perturbation to the whole And for that these Ciuill laws albeit their immediate end be temporall good yet may the obseruation therof be referred also to a higher spirituall end by good men and therfore are all good subiects bound to obey them And this for the first point 35. The second is that in causes meere Ecclesiasticall and Spirituall which appertaine to Religion Faith Sacraments holie Orders and the like and are to be determined out of the ghospell Councells Canons and Doctors of the Church In all these affaires Catholike deuines holde that Ecclesiasticall persons are no way subiect to temporall Princes for the reasons before alleadged of preheminēcy of Spiritual Power aboue Temporal in these affaires In respect wherof the holie auncient Bishops did stand with Christian Emperours and auerre their Authoritie to be aboue the others as before out of S. Gregorie Nazianzen S. Ambrose S. Chrisostome and others you haue heard declared So as heere you se a mutuall Subordination of Preists to Princes in Ciuill and temporall matters and of Princes to Preists and Bishops in spirituall affaires which according to S. Gregorie Nazianzen his comparison before mencioned may thus be expressed that the soule in matters of this life though with some griefe and regreate of spirit in good men is bound to follow the direction and law of the body for health strength and other such corporall commodities and the body in matters of life euerlasting must be content to follow the soule and direction of spirit and so is bound to doe though with repugnance oftentimes of the flesh as in fasting praying pennance other such like exercise And wheresoeuer these two mutuall subordinations be wel obserued there the Common wealth goeth forward wel and prosperouslie and contrarywise where the said subordination is neglected or perturbed there all goeth out of order and ioynt 36. But now there remaineth a third point of further moderation between these two Powers which is accordinge to our deuines and Canon-lawyers That albeit Ecclesiastical men be subiect to the obseruation of temporall laws as before is said yet are as well their persons as their goods free and exempted from the temporall magistrate and his tribunalls euen in those causes also in so much that if Cleargie men doe offend against the laws of the Common-wealth they are to be iudged and condemned by Ecclesiasticall iudges in the Courts and tribunals of their prelats and afterward to be deliuered to secular power to inflict the decreed punishmēt vpon them which they shall be found worthie of Their goods also both Ecclesiasticall and temporall are exempted from all secular power and their impositions or exactions by auncient Decrees and Constitutions as well of the Church as of old Christian Emperours in honorem Cleri in honour of the Cleargy to vse the auncient word
And as for Ecclesiasticall Constitutions to this effect made as well by generall Councells as particular Popes euen downe from the primitiue Church sufficient testimonies or rather aboundant are extant and may be seen collected togeather by Gratian and others in the sixt Booke of Decretalls especially out of two Lateran Generall Councells and manie other particular decrees Laws and Ordinances Ecclesiasticall tending to this purpose And many ages before this the same exemptions be recorded especially for the immunitie of their persons from secular power and tribunals as in the Councel of Calcedon and 9. Canon The Councel Agathense and 32. Canon and the third Councel of Carthage wherin S. Augustine himself was present and diuerse other Councels 37. And there doe not want many learned deuines who are of opinion that this exemption of Ecclesiastical persons and their goods is not onlie Iuris humani Ecclesiastici by positiue and humane Ecclesiasticall laws But Iuris diuini also that is to saie by right of diuine law in a certaine sorte which is thus to bee vnderstood That albeit God hath not expreslie commaunded it in the written law of Scripture yet is it conforme both to the law of nature which is also Gods law as likewise it may be deduced inferred from exaÌ„ples recorded in Scripture vnder the old TestameÌ„t that God would haue this honour of exemption and immunitie in temporall things to be exhibited to his Cleargy And therfore we doe reade in Genesis that Ioseph the Patriarch in the law of Nature did exempt the Priests of the Egyptians from all temporall tributes And in the bookes of Esdras we read that Artaxerxes King of the Persians out of the same law of Nature did make free also the Priests of Israell And that the very Gentiles did the same to their Priests out of the same law and instinct of Nature is euident out of Aristotle in his second booke Oeconomicorum And of Caesar in his sixt booke De bello Gallico And out of Plutarch in the life of Camillus and other Pagan writers And in the written law we read as well in Exodus as in the booke of Numbers That God did often affirme that he would haue the order of Leuites to be his and to be freelie giuen and made subiect onlie to Aaron their high Priest and to paye no tribute Out of which is inferred that if God in the law of Nature and of Moyses would haue Priests and Leuites to be free in their persons goods from temporall exactions much more may it be presumed that he will haue it so in the new Law of the Ghospel where to vse the words of S. Leo. Et Ordo clarior Leuitarum dignit as amplior seniorum sacratior vnctio sacerdotum c. The order of Leuites is more eminent and the dignitie of elders more excellent and the annointing of Priests more sacred and holy among Christians then they were among the Iewes And thus much of Ecclesiasticall Laws for exemption of the Cleargie 38. But now vpon the very self same Considerations temporall Princes also comming to be Christians did voluntarily consume establish by their politicall laws the same exemptions as first of all our first Christian Emperour Constantine the Greate as soone as he came to receiue that Grace and light of the ghospell did vpon his singular deuotion make al the Ecclesiastical persons immunes à communibus Reipublicae oneribus Free from al publicke charges and burthens of the Common-wealth which laye men did vnder goe as by his epistle sett downe by Eusebius is cleere And the same example did other Christian Emperours follow after him as may appeere by diuers laws as well in the Code of Theedosius as also of Iustinian And the same doth S. Hiâ—rome signifie to haue been in vse in his daies and S. Ambrose also in his so much as appertaineth to the freedome of their persons though for their lands and possessions he saith Agri Ecclesiae solnâ—nt tributum That the lands of the Church did paie a certaine tribute at that tyme which may be vnderstood in the respect of the Emperours publicke necessitie through warrs vpon which or like due coÌ„siderations Clergie men haue all waies been ready and ought to be to contribute willinglie and gratefully according to their abilities towards the publike charges of their temporall Princes affaires notwithstanding their exemptions by law and iustice 39. Particular Kings and Princes in like manner vpon their deuotions and to the imitation of their foresaid good Emperours haue by their particular lawes in euery Christian countrey confirmed the franquises freedomes and immunities of the Church and Cleargie and perhaps in no one nation morâ— throughout Christendome than in our English Realme whether we consider times either before the Conquest or after And before the Conquest it may be seen by the collectioÌ„ of old English lawes of euery Kingdome sett forth by K. Edgar and K. Edward the Confessor and after the Conquest by the Coâ—querour himseâ— as after shall be shewed And after him againe by the very first Statutes that are extant in Print namelie from the great Charter made by K. Henry the third in the 9. yeare of his Raigne and the articles of the Cleargie established in the 9. yeare of K. Edward the second in the fauour of the said Cleargie the said great Charter being reiterated and ratified in most of the insuing Parlaments for authorizing and establishinge the foresaid exemptions and priuiledges of Clergie-men which were from time to time by al our Kings confirmed as afterward shall more largely and perticularly be proued vntill the later times of K. Henry the eight 40. Now then matters standing thus and the Church in euery countrey throughout Christendome being in possession of these liberties freedomes and immunities for their persons and goods and acknowledging for their supreame superiour in Spirituall Power and Iurisdiction the Bishop of Rome and their temporall Kings in Ciuill and temporall matters there grew in processe of time many difficulties and entanglements about the execution and subordination of these two Iurisdictions Temporall and Spiritual the one to th' other sometimes by abuse passioÌ„ or indiscretioÌ„ of some vnder-officers of these two supreame powers tribunals within our land ech side seeking to incroach vpon the other or at leastwise not to be content with their owne limits For as between the spirit and flesh in this life to vse againe S. Gregorie Nazianzens similitude there is some continuall strife and struglinge so hath it been allwayes in a certaine sorte between these two powers of Spirituall and Temporall Iurisdiction or at leastwise in the exercise therof especially as riches temporalityes grew more in the Clergie and therby gaue matter of enuy and emulation and lesse deuotion to the laytie towards them in so much that at length for auoidinge worse inconueniences limitations conditions concordates and transactions were made