Selected quad for the lemma: book_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
book_n	word_n	write_v	writing_n	1,503	4	8.9853	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90523	A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P.	Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660.	1641 (1641)	Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734	348,418	298

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at_o all_o speak_v touch_v the_o matter_n but_o he_o be_v false_o allege_v for_o hilary_n i._o he_o be_v also_o false_o allege_v he_o say_v nothing_o touch_v the_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n of_o which_o mr_n c._n speak_v ii_o though_o he_o entreat_v constantius_n the_o arian_n emperor_n who_o have_v banish_v many_o worthy_a bishop_n that_o he_o will_v permit_v the_o people_n to_o hear_v those_o teacher_n and_o minister_n of_o the_o sacrament_n who_o they_o will_v who_o they_o think_v good_a and_o who_o they_o have_v choose_v that_o they_o may_v offer_v up_o prayer_n for_o his_o safety_n and_o felicity_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o hereby_o prejudice_v the_o authority_n and_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n this_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o synod_n may_v censure_v and_o judge_v of_o the_o election_n make_v by_o the_o people_n and_o of_o other_o controversy_n of_o particular_a church_n iii_o hilary_n also_o 1135._o also_o cent._n magdeb._n cent._n 4._o c._n 10_o col_fw-fr 1134_o 1135._o write_v a_o peculiar_a book_n touch_v synod_n exstant_fw-la among_o his_o work_n which_o he_o have_v translate_v out_o of_o greek_a into_o latin_a wherein_o the_o act_n and_o decree_n of_o divers_a synod_n that_o censure_v and_o condemn_v the_o arian_n heresy_n be_v record_v have_v he_o think_v with_o my_o opposite_n that_o this_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n have_v be_v a_o usurp_a and_o unlawful_a power_n he_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v give_v so_o much_o approbation_n of_o they_o in_o allege_v their_o authority_n for_o defence_n of_o his_o opinion_n without_o some_o testification_n against_o their_o power_n beside_o what_o colour_n of_o reason_n have_v mr_n c._n to_o show_v that_o hilarius_n shall_v vary_v from_o the_o judgement_n of_o orthodox_n bishop_n who_o in_o that_o age_n etc._n age_n ib._n cent._n 4._o c._n 7._o col_fw-fr 519._o &_o 528_o etc._n etc._n ordinary_o use_v to_o meet_v together_o in_o synod_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n for_o cyrill_v in_o joh._n 20.21_o who_o he_o also_o bring_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n aught_o to_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o people_n he_o be_v in_o like_a manner_n abuse_v and_o false_o allege_v by_o he_o for_o i._o cyrill_n upon_o those_o word_n of_o christ_n as_o the_o father_n have_v send_v i_o so_o send_v i_o you_o say_v that_o christ_n in_o those_o word_n ordain_v the_o teacher_n of_o the_o world_n and_o minister_n of_o the_o divine_a mystery_n etc._n etc._n that_o therefore_o paul_n be_v true_a say_v no_o man_n take_v this_o honour_n unto_o himself_o etc._n etc._n heb._n 5._o etc._n etc._n he_o show_v how_o christ_n call_v his_o disciple_n but_o have_v not_o a_o word_n neither_o touch_v a_o assembly_n of_o elder_n nor_o of_o their_o choose_n by_o the_o people_n such_o falsehood_n and_o forgery_n there_o be_v in_o the_o allegation_n of_o mr_n c._n and_o yet_o if_o he_o have_v speak_v as_o much_o as_o be_v here_o pretend_a it_o have_v be_v no_o impeachment_n unto_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n as_o be_v show_v before_o ii_o that_o this_o cyrill_n bishop_n of_o alexandria_n do_v acknowledge_v the_o use_n of_o synod_n not_o only_o for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n but_o for_o censure_n and_o judgement_n of_o cause_n it_o appear_v evident_o by_o his_o practice_n while_o in_o the_o 4._o the_o euagr._fw-la hist_n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 4._o synod_n hold_v at_o ephesus_n in_o the_o time_n of_o theodosius_n he_o be_v a_o principal_a member_n of_o that_o synod_n do_v together_o with_o other_o give_v sentence_n against_o nestorius_n and_o depose_v he_o from_o his_o office_n for_o his_o obstinacy_n in_o refuse_v to_o appear_v before_o they_o and_o for_o his_o heresy_n whereof_o he_o have_v be_v convict_v the_o next_o witness_v abuse_v by_o he_o be_v ambrose_n who_o be_v allege_v to_o show_v what_o the_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n be_v to_o do_v viz._n

that_o if_o his_o order_n of_o synod_n may_v be_v refuse_v by_o such_o as_o deserve_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n that_o then_o a_o door_n shall_v be_v open_v to_o all_o heresy_n &_o sect_n &_o all_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n whereunto_o christ_n send_v we_o shall_v be_v subvert_v etc._n etc._n the_o divine_n of_o embden_n 1●7_n embden_n ibid._n p._n 1●7_n accord_n with_o the_o rest_n and_o beside_o other_o reason_n for_o confirmation_n of_o synodall_n authority_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n they_o allege_v that_o very_a place_n of_o scripture_n act._n 20.28_o which_o my_o opposite_n pervert_v to_o a_o contrary_a end_n against_o i_o neither_o have_v they_o only_o in_o general_n show_v what_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n be_v and_o also_o what_o this_o synod_n may_v do_v but_o the_o synod_n go_v further_a and_o proceed_v unto_o the_o exercise_n of_o this_o power_n and_o pronounce_v sentence_n against_o those_o that_o persist_v in_o their_o error_n in_o the_o copy_n of_o that_o sentence_n 280._o sentence_n act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n sess_n 138._o p._n 280._o there_o be_v divers_a act_n of_o their_o power_n to_o be_v observe_v in_o the_o several_a expression_n &_o form_n of_o speech_n use_v therein_o as_o for_o example_n this_o synod_n of_o dort_n do_v serious_o instant_o and_o according_a to_o the_o authority_n which_o it_o have_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n over_o all_o the_o member_n of_o their_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n require_v exhort_v admonish_v &_o enjoin_v all_o &_o every_o one_o of_o the_o pastor_n in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o unite_a province_n doctor_n rectour_n master_n in_o the_o university_n &_o school_n etc._n etc._n the_o synod_n after_o invocation_n of_o the_o holy_a name_n of_o god_n be_v in_o conscience_n well_o assure_v of_o their_o authority_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n follow_v the_o step_n of_o ancient_n &_o late_a synod_n etc._n etc._n 281._o etc._n p._n 281._o do_v interdict_v the_o person_n cite_v unto_o this_o synod_n from_o all_o ecclesiastical_a charge_n and_o depose_v they_o from_o their_o office_n and_o also_o judge_v they_o unworthy_a of_o academical_a function_n until_o by_o earnest_a repentance_n etc._n etc._n for_o the_o rest_n who_o cognition_n be_v not_o come_v to_o this_o nationall_n synod_n it_o commit_v unto_o provincial_n synod_n class_n &_o presbytery_n according_a to_o the_o order_n receive_v that_o with_o all_o care_n they_o procure_v etc._n etc._n that_o they_o diligent_o take_v heed_n unto_o themselves_o that_o they_o admit_v not_o any_o man_n to_o the_o holy_a ministry_n which_o refuse_v to_o subscribe_v unto_o the_o doctrine_n declare_v in_o these_o synodical_a constitution_n and_o to_o teach_v the_o same_o that_o they_o also_o retain_v no_o man_n by_o who_o manifest_a dissension_n etc._n etc._n this_o judgement_n &_o sentence_n of_o the_o synod_n be_v afterward_o in_o most_o full_a &_o ample_a manner_n 282._o manner_n ibid._n p._n 282._o approve_v &_o confirm_v by_o the_o illustrious_a lord_n the_o state_n general_n of_o the_o unite_a province_n acknowledge_v also_o the_o business_n of_o this_o synod_n to_o be_v agreat_a &_o holy_a work_n such_o as_o heretofore_o the_o reform_a church_n never_o see_v etc._n etc._n beside_o this_o sentence_n pronounce_v against_o those_o twelve_o or_o thirteen_o of_o the_o remonstrant_n that_o by_o authority_n of_o the_o synod_n be_v 17._o be_v ibid._n p._n 16_o 17._o cite_v to_o appear_v before_o they_o there_o be_v also_o another_o special_a sentence_n 205._o sentence_n p._n 204_o 205._o of_o suspension_n from_o their_o function_n conclude_v &_o pronounce_v against_o everhardus_fw-la vosculius_n and_o johannes_n schotlerius_n minister_n at_o campen_n because_o of_o their_o contumacy_n in_o not_o appear_v before_o the_o synod_n be_v lawful_o cite_v thereunto_o moreover_o it_o be_v memorable_a that_o the_o member_n of_o this_o synod_n the_o deputy_n of_o several_a church_n do_v all_o &_o every_o one_o of_o they_o take_v a_o most_o solemn_a oath_n in_o testimony_n of_o the_o good_a conscience_n which_o they_o have_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o this_o authority_n the_o form_n of_o the_o oath_n be_v 61._o be_v act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n sess_n 23._o p._n 61._o as_o follow_v i_o do_v promise_n before_o god_n who_o i_o believe_v and_o reverence_v as_o the_o present_a searcher_n of_o the_o reins_n and_o heart_n that_o in_o this_o whole_a synodall_n action_n wherein_o shall_v be_v undertake_v a_o examination_n judgement_n &_o decision_n both_o touch_v the_o five_o know_a article_n and_o the_o difficulty_n thence_o arise_v and_o also_o touch_v all_o other_o matter_n of_o doctrine_n i_o will_v not_o take_v any_o humane_a writing_n but_o only_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o the_o certain_a &_o undoubted_a rule_n of_o faith_n and_o that_o in_o this_o whole_a cause_n i_o shall_v propound_v nothing_o to_o myself_o but_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n the_o peace_n of_o his_o church_n and_o in_o special_a the_o conservation_n of_o the_o purity_n of_o doctrine_n so_o let_v my_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n be_v merciful_a unto_o i_o who_o i_o most_o earnest_o beseech_v that_o he_o will_v continual_o assist_v i_o in_o this_o purpose_n with_o the_o grace_n of_o his_o spirit_n this_o oath_n be_v first_o take_v by_o the_o precedent_n of_o the_o synod_n all_o the_o other_o professor_n pastor_n &_o elder_n of_o the_o netherlands_o depute_v unto_o the_o synod_n and_o then_o all_o the_o divine_n of_o other_o nation_n stand_v up_o in_o order_n do_v with_o a_o loud_a voice_n every_o one_o of_o they_o declare_v that_o they_o do_v holy_o promise_v and_o swear_v before_o god_n the_o same_o thing_n and_o testify_v that_o they_o come_v with_o such_o mind_n unto_o the_o synod_n have_v hitherto_o sit_v down_o therein_o and_o will_v hereafter_o by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n continue_v have_v now_o such_o a_o cloud_n of_o witness_n consent_v with_o i_o i_o have_v reason_n in_o this_o place_n again_o to_o put_v mr_n can_n in_o mind_n of_o his_o vain_a boast_v 83._o boast_v ch._n pl._n p._n 83._o touch_v a_o jury_n of_o more_o than_o 24._o man_n condemn_v i_o of_o error_n here_o may_v he_o see_v a_o jury_n of_o more_o than_o thrice_o 24_o swear_a man_n and_o of_o the_o most_o excellent_a servant_n of_o god_n in_o so_o many_o reform_a church_n and_o university_n the_o light_n of_o christendom_n the_o flower_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o select_a crown_n of_o learned_a man_n as_o they_o of_o geneva_n do_v 12._o do_v act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n sess_n 3._o p._n 12._o stile_n they_o all_o testify_a both_o by_o word_n and_o practice_n against_o he_o and_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr_n dau._n touch_v the_o jurisdiction_n of_o synod_n a_o supplement_n annex_v by_o the_o publisher_n for_o answer_v unto_o that_o which_o follow_v in_o mr_n cannes_n book_n thus_o far_o good_a reader_n the_o author_n have_v travel_v through_o those_o tedious_a way_n which_o 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and_o therefore_o in_o the_o same_o order_n that_o he_o marshal_v they_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n they_o now_o stand_v in_o array_n against_o the_o independency_n of_o church_n there_o remain_v yet_o one_o part_n of_o mr_n can._n opposition_n in_o this_o cause_n to_o be_v encounter_v wherein_o he_o pretend_v to_o disappoint_v and_o conquer_v such_o force_n as_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v use_v in_o defence_n of_o that_o classical_a and_o synodall_n government_n which_o he_o have_v hitherto_o oppugn_v to_o this_o end_n he_o 92._o he_o chur._n plea_n p._n 92._o undertake_v to_o answer_v certain_a reason_n or_o objection_n pick_v out_o of_o divers_a passage_n in_o the_o author_n &c_n author_n answ_n to_o w.b._n &c_n &c_n first_o book_n suppose_v by_o this_o mean_n to_o have_v full_o acquit_v himself_o in_o this_o dispute_n now_o though_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o these_o his_o answer_n for_o