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A67650 A revision of Doctor George Morlei's judgment in matters of religion, or, An answer to several treatises written by him upon several occasions concerning the Church of Rome and most of the doctrines controverted betwixt her, and the Church of England to which is annext a treatise of pagan idolatry / by L.W. Warner, John, 1628-1692. 1683 (1683) Wing W912; ESTC R14220 191,103 310

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infer_v there_o can_v be_v no_o valid_a baptism_n in_o the_o catholic_n communion_n for_o those_o who_o have_v not_o the_o holy_a ghost_n can_v give_v he_o to_o other_o to_o which_o the_o catholic_n answer_v 1._o that_o those_o bishop_n accuse_v of_o that_o shameful_a compliance_n with_o the_o jmperial_a edict_n against_o christian_n be_v jnnocent_a of_o that_o crime_n which_o be_v never_o sufficient_o prove_v upon_o they_o &_o no_o man_n ought_v to_o be_v condemn_v unless_o the_o crime_n be_v evident_o prove_v against_o he_o 2._o they_o answer_v that_o althô_o the_o person_n accuse_v be_v real_o guilty_a yet_o their_o personal_a guilt_n can_v not_o prejudice_v all_o catholic_n communicate_v with_o they_o because_o another_o man_n sin_n can_v prejudice_v i_o unless_o i_o make_v it_o my_o own_o by_o command_v or_o persuade_v approve_v defend_v or_o imitate_v it_o now_o the_o catholic_n be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v accessary_a to_o that_o pretend_a sin_n in_o another_o that_o they_o 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service_n in_o murder_a catholic_n you_o have_v some_o of_o the_o same_o persuasion_n as_o appear_v by_o their_o work_n yet_o i_o own_o a_o great_a difference_n betwixt_o the_o old_a circumcellion_n &_o the_o new_a one_o those_o when_o the_o toy_n take_v they_o will_v either_o break_v their_o own_o neck_n or_o force_v other_o to_o cut_v their_o throat_n &_o the_o new_a one_o in_o this_o do_v not_o imitate_v they_o they_o love_v too_o much_o their_o mother_n son_n 7._o those_o have_v the_o maximianist_n who_o leave_v they_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n they_o have_v break_v off_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n these_o have_v the_o presbiterian_o &_o other_o who_o will_v not_o conform_v with_o they_o upon_o the_o same_o ground_n for_o which_o they_o refuse_v to_o conform_v to_o the_o catholic_n church_n 8._o and_o last_o the_o nonconformist_a donatist_n make_v evident_a to_o the_o world_n that_o the_o donatist_n have_v no_o real_a ground_n to_o break_v the_o catholic_n communion_n by_o 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wisdom_n but_o in_o demonstration_n of_o the_o spirit_n &_o of_o power_n althô_o it_o do_v not_o sufficient_o appear_v whither_o the_o word_n themselves_o contain_v that_o manifestation_n of_o the_o spirit_n or_o the_o person_n who_o speak_v or_o both_o 5._o all_o this_o be_v confirm_v by_o miracle_n which_o may_v proper_o enough_o be_v call_v the_o broad_a seal_n of_o the_o king_n of_o king_n for_o as_o a_o broad_a seal_n be_v a_o public_a attestation_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o a_o patent_n or_o proclamation_n to_o which_o it_o be_v annex_v solikewise_o a_o miracle_n be_v a_o attestation_n of_o almyghty_a god_n of_o a_o truth_n deliver_v in_o his_o name_n divina_fw-la potentia_fw-la etiam_fw-la factis_fw-la loquor_fw-la say_v s_n austin_n epist_n 49.9.6_o man_n speak_v by_o word_n god_n also_o by_o deed_n and_o origen_n contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la l._n 2._o say_v the_o same_o this_o language_n of_o god_n by_o miracle_n be_v so_o clear_a that_o even_o the_o most_o stupid_a understand_v 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rom._n 10._o a_o versu_fw-la 14._o how_o shall_v they_o call_v on_o he_o in_o who_o they_o have_v not_o believe_v &_o how_o shall_v they_o believe_v in_o he_o of_o who_o they_o have_v not_o hear_v &_o how_o shall_v they_o hear_v without_o a_o preacher_n and_o how_o shall_v they_o preach_v except_o they_o besent_a and_o conclude_v so_o then_o faith_n come_v by_o hear_v &_o hear_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o word_n confound_v all_o enthusiast_n &_o other_o who_o undertake_v to_o preach_v without_o be_v lawful_o call_v or_o send_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o our_o present_a business_n be_v to_o examine_v why_o faith_n be_v so_o particulary_a resolve_v into_o hear_v nothing_o like_o this_o be_v any_o where_o say_v of_o any_o other_o sense_n 2._o this_o will_v be_v easy_o understand_v if_o we_o remember_v that_o as_o be_v abovesayd_a faith_n be_v a_o assent_n give_v to_o a_o otherwise_o unknown_a truth_n on_o the_o credit_n of_o another_o this_o can_v be_v do_v without_o the_o 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